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This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Friday on this

15th day of June 2022 and I'm thrilled to have one of my

favorite recurring guests Back on the program.

He will be no stranger to the vast majority of our audience.

His name is Virgil Walker executive director of operations at G3 ministries co

-host with Daryl Bernard Harrison of the just thinking podcast and Co -author

with Daryl Bernard Harrison of why are you afraid and a number of other books today?

We are going to be addressing Something extremely vital and this is Virgil's

black this is Virgil's letter to black pastors a challenge to repent from the

apathy over an advocacy of Infanticide and it's my honor and privilege to

welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio Virgil Walker.

Hey, it's all Chris.

Thanks for having me and.

Looking forward our conversation today and as we always do for the sake of those who have not yet heard.

About you, which is I know probably very rare, especially in my audience, but tell our listeners about g3

ministries.

That massive conference a conference based ministry that is really shifting

that not that we're not doing conferences anymore.

But from a standpoint of one how we have every desire to

connect

with local church

cranking out.

This looks in fact

the book you just mentioned Why are you afraid was a book that Daryl and I co -authored and it's on g3

press.

And so we're excited about that curriculum point that

that is it while it's wonderful to come to and

attend conferences and we'll continue to do that what without have a Regional conference coming up, which I'm

sure we'll talk about in a national conference there after that.

We're engaged in we really wanted to to be able to as a ministry as a whole.

Equip the body of Christ again encourage educate and equip local church

that we're engaged in and and glory.

And it's a ministry that's founded.

By dr. Josh vice who is its founder and president myself?

I'm the executive director of operations and so I actually provide oversight for a big portion of

all of the Conference pieces in addition to the conferences.

We have Expository preaching workshops.

We have worship workshops that we do at local churches and then and then our executive vice president.

And all the you know, all the books and things like that that we develop.

So great team of people it's a it's fantastic to get up and get to work every day knowing that.

Amen, and the website for those of you interested in finding about finding out more about g3

ministries is g3 min org G3 min.

Or now tell us about the just thinking podcast that you co

-host with Daryl Bernard Harrison.

Yeah, Daryl Bernard Harrison.

He had a blog.

He'd

been writing that for quite some time.

He and I connected.

I was connected and then launched shortly thereafter the podcast in 2018.

We have 119 try to connect.

What's the podcast

an episode?

But for those who were thinking once a month not often.

These are three hour long.

There's a lot of meat to to chew on for quite some time.

And so we you know, we've been doing this for the last

three Christian podcasts in the country over the course of

those years off and on and We absolutely love what we do.

We take the coffee issues of culture and and examine them through the lens of a biblical worldview and.

It's something that Daryl and I really really enjoy just talking to one

guard in the culture the most recent episode that we just

denominationalism and really it was kind of a the linchpin but coming out of the Southern

Baptist Convention thinking about how Churches have done a start out with

denominations going in the right direction.

And then we gave you know kind of warning signs.

You should people begin to take the wrong Direction.

So that was that episode is it is a three -hour episode.

So Anybody who's listening for the first time not used to it's an expository.

Would definitely need to buckle up sit down.

Get ready to take notes because we're definitely taking you somewhere with that with that particular episode.

Amen.

And the website for that podcast and ministry.

Yeah, just thinking dot me.

Yep, absolutely.

Yes, sir.

Just thinking dot me now.

I God willing Am going to be manning an exhibitors booth at a couple of events

coming up where you are going to be speaking.

The first of which is going to be at High Point Baptist Church in Larksville, Pennsylvania on

Saturday August 20th.

It is Titled the just thinking Conference and I believe you're going to

be highlighting a critique of critical race theory if you could.

Let our listeners know about that event.

Then perhaps if they are Unbelievably in the dark over critical race

theory since it seems to be the topic of discussion almost daily in the media.

Why don't you why don't you let our listeners know about this conference and its theme?

Yeah, it's going to be exciting to be a point they've with

regard to issues in there what there's

they're not

calling

it CRT.

They're really kind of disguising.

Mindfully said you know what?

Let's bring the guys who've studied this stuff in and I've looked at it and have them walk us through it down.

And I intend to now walking them through the the world

view from which a lot of this stuff originates.

It's it's Marxist origins.

We're going to in addition to that be taught something

late, you know late in the and

Daily basis really

climate

issues

talk about those issues unpack those poor people and then the show them unfortunately.

How those ideologies have when when Darrell talks about these

issues?

He likes to say they don't and they don't just creep into the church.

They actually kick the door down and and walk right into some of the spaces and places That call themselves

a church and so we'll be walking through that when great detail looking forward to meeting with the people up there.

But it they will be putting in work that weekend.

That's for sure.

Yeah, not only do the leftist government schools

mask their inclusion of critical race theory.

They actually publicly very often outright deny that it exists in their curriculum and do

so sometimes.

With a laughing sneer.

And the thing that's ironic is that if they really believe in critical race theory, why are they

ashamed of it?

Absolutely a lot of them are disguised when they

use that language again.

It's a it's a veneer to kind of cloud what they're doing because like you said

what it is.

And it's you know, and it has rejected it.

So they come in with a social emotional learning now.

The learning stand and

right being right wrong being wrong.

And regardless of whether or not a student, you know had a background In the area or

not, then we're what they need to know from an academic level

to do well.

Doing well now is seen as racist.

Good grades are now seen as racist.

Being the class on time is now seen as racist.

So it's an absolute that again.

We intend to unpack and walk some folks through when we're where they're at high point, you know, that's that's an interesting.

Inclusion in that description being on time to class is

racist so.

And in reality, what is racist is the idea that all black people come to class

late?

That's right.

That's racist.

Yeah, but that's that's not how how folks are thinking nowadays.

I mean that just everywhere you turn it seems to be that.

Ideologically speaking things are just ab sound but that that's exactly what we should expect when

when people abandoned a biblical worldview and.

By the way a little correction.

This is a two -day conference.

It's Saturday August 20th through Sunday, August 21st

and The theme is deliver the truth confronting the error of critical race and that is

at High Point Baptist Church in Larksville Pennsylvania.

The website there is highpointbaptist .com highpointbaptist .com and.

Finally in regard to events.

I am so excited to be attending once again The

g3 conference, although I've although I've attended and manned my exhibitors booth for Iron Trump and Zion

radio at many G3 conferences.

This is my first regional conference.

And it's in fact, it's gonna be my first time in Washington DC.

In Years, I haven't been in Washington DC other than passing through it in a train.

I have not been in Washington DC since I was a young child in grammar school going on a field

trip but.

Tell us about the g3 regional conference 2022 in Washington DC.

Yeah, Darryl read the

ministry g3 about the Bible.

It's a conference that has the

reality is from

ideology with sin if it's If it's

being the idea of Christ and abandoned for government as Savior at wherever we

turn has embraced man

-made Ideology sadly again the church that we followed suit.

I know we're going to talk about that to some some degree during our time together today.

But but we wanted to

anchor with

Daryl and I have done that now for the

last three years.

Very publicly and openly for years on the just thinking let

them know that the Bible is

sufficient.

Daryl and I will probably be handling most of the

the idea around into that.

You'll also dr Josh

vice who will also be there helping with a lot of the theological strength the strengthening the

Theological and historical components of the in addition.

Dr. Scott annual will be joining us as well and

verify this with them.

But he's got he's got something up his sleeve and then I definitely know folks won't want to miss

What he's going to deliver if he brings the subject matter that I think he's going to bring with regard to.

But the sufficiency of scripture and explaining and describing the doctrine regarding the Holy Spirit.

I think it's going to be incredibly powerful.

So this is just some of the things that the annual Bible

Church there in Virginia just outside of DC and

so something that I know folks are concerned about but we've Mitigated that to a great degree by actually hosting

time there at the conference on Thursday and Friday.

They love the Bible where

folks will hear a couple of a couple of Prison and then what will follow

thereafter will be people have the opportunity to go through the museum on Saturday.

So that will kind of wrap up our time together.

But yeah, we're looking forward to it's gonna be an amazing time.

That's a number of folks who signed up for that.

And here's the thing that I'll do while I'm here on your on your show.

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Wow, and that's JT for just thanking.

Yeah, and that's going to be a Thursday September 15th.

There's Saturday September 17th in Washington, DC.

The website for more details is g3min .org G3min

.org and that's one week before My annual or should I say biannual? Iron

Trump and Zion radio pastors luncheon and this year we are featuring.

Dr. James are white since DC is not very far from where I am right now and

So you will be hearing ads for the pastors conference if you are a man in ministry leadership,

whether you are a Pastor an elder and by the way folks, I believe that's the same office

a deacon any kind of a parachurch leader you are welcome to this free conference and

That will be a Thursday September 22nd 11 a .m. To 2 p .m. At Church of the Living

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ads to give you more details well that brings us to our theme today a

Very controversial theme you wrote a letter an

open letter to black pastors and I want you to let our listeners know

what the motivation was for you to do this and it just

To let our listeners know they might not be aware of this, but my guest Virgil Walker is

a black man I don't think that the melanin content in his skin

It gives him the only liberty or to give

him only the Liberty and those with Shared skin color to write

such a letter, but I think that too many It would seem it would

appear to be an act of racism.

Otherwise, I don't believe that that's a fact unless of course the person writing the letter

was in fact a bigot of some kind but But it does add power to

the letter.

I believe Just because of the mindset that is ingrained into the populace

globally especially in the 21st century but why did you as a

Black ministry leader write this letter to pastors and what what was the motivation behind it and the theme?

Yeah, thanks for asking the question.

I

you

began to

see like me

in front of an abortion clinic for the course of about six years.

Reckoning for the lives of the babies that were

walking in with you know the mothers pleading with the mothers for the lives of the babies that were in their womb

and Thinking in my lifetime

that I would ecstatic.

And I think that's a natural response for for anyone who cares about these issues who's

involved in trying to rescue the response.

Unfortunately, what what I began to witness was an evangelical response that was very so you had that

and their their thought

process.

Well, we'll pro -life really isn't fully pro -life until we provide womb

and that we really haven't

done our job yet.

Until you had that response and

then and then

finally you had the folks

who we definitely

recognize that there's only one true church.

And that church is not made up of one color or another.

But I think folks understand what I kind of label a predominantly black church as the black church.

Coming from that cultural background I thought let me see what some of the guys that I know in those spaces are

saying and I was absolutely jaw -dropped.

Not simply by the silence.

But

by

the ad God gives us choice with the idea

that God would promote these in the womb.

They want

about their positions and so as I began to see that not once not twice.

But time and time and time and time again I just I really

and and decided that that I would have to black

pastor and then

to turn and unpack what

these Towers and to call them to

repentance.

So that was that was a motivation.

That really started me on this journey.

Yeah, and it's interesting how many in the pro infanticide movement

Have revealed their hand their real heart and mind

In that they are not really pro -choice at all.

That's why they are vandalizing and burning down

The clinics that are there To help women

and encourage women and enable women to Bring their children to full term and give birth to

them.

And it's The the irony is they say they're pro -choice and they are filled with

rage when women make the choice to keep their babies.

That's exactly

right.

Not just pro

-choice.

Are people who are involved in a religion of death?

This is this for them abortion for them and and

the blood sacrifice is the is the aborted fetus.

This is this is how they view time again.

I spent time in front of the abortion clinic is the idea.

That that the predominance of women who are approaching these these clinics are victims is an absolute lie.

I bet

they're they're.

Abortion vision that we're making.

And they were just willing to sacrifice Their babies on the altar of convenience, they

didn't want to be inconvenienced.

Primary motivation.

So as it pertains vacating

the making the choice.

To to have an abortion.

I just I was dumbstruck.

Absolutely dumbstruck.

And and again, like I said, it really caused me to sit down and and pen this particular article.

Would they listen to who's a who's a leader that many of them revere and that?

The idea of leveraging in imagery.

Martin Luther King at the end of my article you you

recognize how wrongheaded he actually was about the issue.

I leveraged the idea of a letter from a Birmingham jail.

And this letter was written.

While King knew that he'd have a much larger audience than the immediate audience that he was encountering.

I too knew that that though I'm writing a letter to black pastors I would have a much larger audience given the

platform that God's blessed with.

I have a much larger audience who would be able to See and identify where

there were where there were shortcomings.

And so I've used the letter from a Birmingham jail.

Mine was letter to black pastors.

And then began a drip.

This letter was incredibly important.

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Which is basically a challenge to repent of

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addressing his letter to black pastors, which is a challenge to repent from the apathy

over an advocacy of Infanticide.

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Now before we go to any Listener questions or a little I just want to have some other things

Explained by you it is such it seems to be such common

knowledge today That the abortion industry has its roots

in racism and Of course you and I are going to be using that term throughout this

broadcast.

We know that there's only one race That's the human race.

We're just using the term racism because it's a part of the common vernacular Which is a

bigoted which is a bigoted attitude towards someone due to the

melanin content in their skin or their ethnic origin but

It is so commonly known and can be easily verifiable and confirmed

that The abortion industry has its roots in eugenics

Which was a movement very big in the late 19th century and early

20th century.

Or whereby there was a movement upon scientists and those

in the elite White classes That

were determined to eventually Have all other races

eradicated from the face of the earth perhaps especially the black people and

Margaret Sanger first envisioned Forced sterilization

To be one way of achieving this or at least to begin with

voluntary stella sterilization using as She had even

documented in her own words black pastors To convince their

congregation that this was actually the most loving and merciful thing to do but

then the the later domino effects would be the

forced sterilization and Then the murder of the unborn in the womb, but

how could there possibly be?

Those in leadership in the black community Or

representatives of the black community who are in leadership over those in all

racial and ethnic groups Depending upon what political office they hold That they

are advocating if the need they are pro -choice.

They're advocating the the genocide of the black race

and it seems to be Astonishing that there would be those.

Who are ignorant of this who are able to achieve political authority

is not

surprised and eugenics.

Eugenics was just the the idea that it's a false scientific theory that by proper breeding of.

You know certain races and again, we've already covered the ground world

view entails that there's one human race.

That there are multiple ethnicities.

However during that time thought was that there were different races of people and if we

Could ultimately achieve the best race of all.

I mean, this is where the Aryan race and Hitler and his ideology comes from you have

with Sanger.

You have pot which is the idea of taking?

You know had the right intellect and making sure that those those people married.

So you had positive eugenics and then you have a negative eugenics.

Which you discussed time

in our in our country's history of certain people who were deemed either feeble minded or or weren't.

You know weren't weren't weren't the best.

The dregs of society so to speak as a singer began to think

and so that this

Thought that the economic way up, right?

This was the way for you to that to you know.

Do you have fewer kids you'd have more money for your time the ladder of success?

The problem with that was twofold one blacks were already from a financial standpoint.

Relatively speaking doing well during that time frame and then secondarily what you had what you had going on with this

idea that it.

Into what what white culture says we're going to follow what this lady says.

And so you had these duped pastors who followed what she said and began teach

bring about abortion now.

What happened is

difficult unless you have original source material her own writings.

But if you go on to Planned Parenthood's

website now to have

all this stuff about

Margaret Sanger

and women like Sanger.

They're seeing that in their churches and in their congregations a that they don't need men

particularly in black Settings a they don't need men.

Statistics show sleep Mary.

So their thought is hey, we don't need men.

I was so much education a man won't won't you know, I don't need a husband.

You know to help to have it or have any

true identity connected back to you know.

That one man one woman is a great idea to produce children.

It provides a wonderful foundation.

They've abandoned and not

have anything impede their success mean have a child.

They're able to continue to climb the corporate ladder

move forward men.

But with a lot of women and so in an effort to appeal to these women today's pastor

that he believes the women in his Congregation would want and the vast majority of them.

Sadly.

I prefer they got to where they did by having Abortions and by advocating for this kind of idea.

That's how you get the.

These horrific ideas a notion.

I.

Know that you're a lot younger than me Virgil.

But I can remember in the late 70s perhaps in the early 80s when

Fay Waddleton was elected president of Planned

Parenthood and She debated Randall Terry who was the founder and leader of

Operation Rescue a per life organization and During that debate at some point

Randall Terry kept repeating to Fay Waddleton

The question how could you a black woman? be president of an organization That was

founded to eradicate The black race off of the face of the earth and Fay Waddleton

must have known this because she over and over again Completely

ignored the question she kept trying to speak over Randall Terry

As if he didn't even exist as if he wasn't in the room and she was just totally Ignoring the fact that

this very important question was being asked.

Is it your experience or at least your impression that many of these people in leadership?

whether they be in the clergy or in political office are really aware of this but they just

for some reason have been duped and convinced that it is

Most expedient and and for the betterment of their status

their power their success to maintain the myths

that leftists bigots have

Have produced and continue to perpetuate.

Yeah, I would.

In my mind Chris I think that's a great point that you make and kind of a kind of thinking through

at the end of the day I think for today.

No black passion particular.

Like the folks in the in the 30s and 40s.

You may be able to make an argument.

There may be an argument that that's made.

Perhaps that that Sanger did a great job of duping a number of black leaders In the in

the late 30s and 40s to believing that a it was only you know to be that

that that it was to the benefit of black people.

For the purpose of their economic empowerment that that that kind of a storyline might have worked

today.

Sadly, I think what's happened is that that what you have are

realism?

That is a part of the african -american community to the degree that they would end up voting.

To the point where not, you know, 90 % of votes.

In black communities are moving in it, you know I was not moving are actually anchored

in in the Democratic Party and in order to maintain.

As a result pastors are

having to find themselves Advocating for these positions now.

I don't believe they think oh, this is

talking about this.

No, I think I think they've been bought and sold by Democratic Party who has signed

Signed off on on this this cult of death and and these and these pastors have no

choice.

But to continue to promote it.

I'll give you a quick example.

And that is that you know, you had Barack

Obama you had him meeting with Rick Warren and then on the on the issue of

Homosexuality he said during that time, you know what he you know.

He knew that that he knew the right answer to provide the right answer was marriages between a man and a woman.

You know, he's thought about it that's kind of where he lands and so that that that rang good for the evangelical

ear as he walks into this idea of Having evolved

into one where we're now that the the White House after the Obergefell decision is painted in rainbow

Pastors because they had latched latched their wagon to Barack Obama had to go

along with them.

They would not in any way shape or form or openly by

any stretch of the imagination.

This is what they've latched their wagon to and that's the direction they're headed now in your experience.

Do you believe as I have heard? that there is a

Substantial divide very often and perhaps not every case

but very often is a substantial divide and contrast between

the average African -american church And

their clergy and what the clergy advocates and pushes and what the

congregation Individually advocates and pushes.

I have heard for instance that the majority of

Professing black Christians No matter how they vote politically

are pro -life they are pro biblical marriage and anti

Same -sex marriage and in fact when I was living in New York when

The the legalization of same -sex marriage was in the

forefront of the political arena and Constantly the focus of

TV radio and newspaper and magazine articles

There were quite a significant there was quite a significant outcry against this

even by the the black clergy who are liberal in most

of their.

Ways.

At least liberal in the way they voted and even some of the black politicians

in the earlier years of 2000 and in the late 90s, so.

But that's that's just speaking about the same -sex at issue.

But as far as as far as the clergy and congregation divide.

Do you believe that that is actually an accurate assessment that the clergy tend to be far more

leftist?

I would argue that first.

Let me answer that emphatically.

No.

No, that's that's not the case.

There was a time and I would argue after the election of Barack Obama.

That that time died but prior to that there was a time the time you mentioned in the 90s

late 90s.

Where where blacks for the moment, you know

liberal?

Financially economically liberal meaning that they wanted to see their government provide big big, you know big

government.

Cash at bailouts of every kind way shape and form.

Any kind of government assistance government programs.

Who shared that kind of a vision?

Someone who was because most of them had grown up in church.

Had a mother or grandmother a praying grandmother who to take in the church.

So they had heard all the you know, all the do's and don'ts all the rights and wrongs.

And so that's kind of how for the most part blacks operated.

But after I'm gonna argue right after the election of Barack Obama all bets were off.

They had hitched their wagon aid to the to the Democratic Party ideological

positions that that they held and a lot of this had to Do again?

I mean we could we could go back and unpack the single motherhood at 70 % in the black community.

Those women do not want to be told that that they're that they're wrong in their behavior of many of them.

So it's not it's not that

the ideology that they're

that

they're forcing upon a

you know.

A weak congregation is that the vast majority of the congregation

to lead in that way one one quick example.

What in fact could you.

Could you bring up the example when we come back from our midway break as we have to go to?

The midway break.

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Darrell we were right in the middle of a discussion before the break about how you no longer

believe There is a significant divide ideologically

Between the leftist clergy in black congregations and The

members of the congregation.

There was a time you believe where that was the case where you may have had typically

before the election of Barack Obama the president of the United States.

There may have been more of a typical divide between clergy and congregation in

regard to matters such as Same -sex marriage and abortion and you believe

that Barack Obama somehow with the help of Satan himself no doubt has

has removed that Stronger barrier that used to exist if you could pick up where you left

off.

Yeah, I think I think a lot of it after during that election fight

men respected men and and women to the idol

of Ethnicity the

individual stood and as

a result they abandoned cord below the knee

Masters not all not all but but but but many most in fact

Ended up down the knee and serving the idol of ethnicity and and and you see that continue to be

carried out but the culture you know culturally speaking in these churches the idea that that these

passion and Leading the congregation in a direction that they'd

rather not go is is a misnomer.

That's not

happening.

These men

and women who

congregate are those in

front.

Goes back to.

The article that I wrote to black pastor Lee jaw dropped to see in

my own area.

You had you know pastors who were willing to stand in the pulpit.

You had one Jamal Bryant of new earth missionary Baptist.

And and you know and really get

you these works because they're important to get an idea of what's happening.

He said this quote time and declared that declared

war on women in this nation.

That's America were

authentically pro money into

Head Start

pride.

They would be stricter measures regarding gun control in this shared this

Not to an audience that was a little bit put off by what he said on that morning.

He said this to an audience that continued their their their you know, they're up their approval.

They were clapping they were standing on their feet and an approval of this idea.

So I I in my article I didn't have time to take apart every single one of the

issues he raised.

But I first started with the very first one that he mentioned about being a you know.

If America were pro -life, they would immediately abolish the death penalty

not to understand that.

There's a bet between an innocent child to

their Bible.

They would know that in Leviticus 24 17 Scripture

a man's life his life shall be taken.

He will be put to death.

That's biblical.

Why.

Because so

much so that if

someone commits the atrocity of murder on an innocent like

and as a result now There's a difference between on death row

and that life and and the life

of a child who advocate the issue of rape and incest.

Those are issues where where the woman has the right to

abort in our country ends up paying the

ultimate price with their life.

So those are simple truths that we know and

understand.

But unfortunately the congregation was woefully short on understanding that and the

pastor himself stood in the pulpit and absolutely Contradicted everything that scripture teaches about

these issues.

Yeah, you even have Warnock

There in Georgia Who has

Actually Attempted a Christian apologetic

to convince Women of their liberty to murder their unborn children.

Raphael Warnock.

Yes.

I wrote about him.

I wrote about him in my article as well and addressed what he shared.

He found out during the time of the leak that took place a Supreme Court leak that

happened

in May such thing.

Amen.

Issue of abortion.

But he said this quote as

too small for a woman her doctor and the United States government's right to

choose and that will never change.

And quote Unapologetically

a woman to choose

because they

fear.

But the

reality is these places aren't churches.

Man to pontificate their own idea,

yes.

It's just Repulsive to the point of being speechless.

Well, we let's go to some of our listener questions.

Let's see here we have Andrew and he is a black

listener in our audience in Brooklyn, New York.

And He says what will it take to make black pastors and black Christians as a

whole?

To see the need to address both the unborn issue and the LGBT issue.

What will it take for them to see that these are not just issues for white evangelicals to care about.

Do we need a Black Kim Davis or a black Jack Phillips before they

realize this.

And again I said that's Andrew in Brooklyn, New York.

What's your answer to that?

Yeah, Andrew.

Thanks so much for the question.

I would here was not

sufficient.

Going to pursue

I'm beginning to deal with.

Regarding these men are that they they are not regenerate.

This is not an idea of on the issue.

They're hearing

against and they're as

exciting on the

inside of them to say about these issues.

Like I said, these are not churches.

These are not pastors.

Those are not pulled either.

These are men who've gathered based upon their own personal charisma people around them.

These people have attached themselves to teachers who are willing to scratch their ears for the for the purpose of.

Their own benefit.

Thanks again, Andrew.

We have CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York.

Who wants to know.

I have heard Chris Arnzen promote a documentary on his program called?

Maafa 21 and I was wondering if your guest today Virgil Walker has ever seen this.

Yeah, that's a I don't know if you've seen it Virgil, but it's a powerful documentary host

primarily by black Christians.

The word Maafa M A A F A means Genocide in

Swahili and it's really a very thorough

Documentary about the roots of abortion

Of being found in eugenics racism the as we were mentioning earlier the

vision of eradicating the black race and other non -white minorities and ethnic groups

off of the planet and.

Really powerful stuff.

Have you seen that?

Yeah, I have a the Filmmaker of Mark

involved in time to work in that

getting the message out getting the the information out.

They have a great website, but it's interesting That I remember seeing the video of

the documentary Years ago on on YouTube.

Now since that time That documentary has been removed From YouTube

because it violates their their code of ethics, you know.

Organizations like those who are getting the word out.

They're they're people put

platforms and the like and so, you know.

It's one of those things that it's important to know those groups and support them in the best way possible.

But yes, very familiar and had watched that documentary years ago.

Yeah, then by the way the website of the documentary itself so you can bypass YouTube since it's

apparently no longer there is ma off a 21 .com Amazon.

Michael a a F isn't Frank a 21 .com.

And some of the interesting Revelations in that documentary

that actually I had heard for the first time there.

Were the fact that many?

Left -leaning individuals and organizations well known to the black

community and supported by a significantly large segment of the black

community who acknowledged and seemed to be fully

aware of the design of abortion to eradicate the

black race off the planet and append who subsequently therefore opposed abortion

were Renowned comedian Dick Gregory who just passed not long ago and the Black

Panthers.

So this is not something that has been really.

It may have been hidden and buried for the normal person or the average person

Average citizen, but they were not that difficult to discover these facts.

So bring us to Some of the more specific things that you bring

up in your letter to black pastors in order to see these

words of yours hopefully and prayerfully be used by God and the Holy Spirit to

transform the hearts minds thinking and actions of The black

pastor and the black church at large.

Yeah, I really kind of like I said

that there there's no such no such animal

eugenicist Margaret Sanger

Judeo -christian view of sin.

Understanding that murder and those three things are these want

financial partnership with white liberals a financial partnership with white liberals.

They were those those pastors even even in the 1930s 1939 1940 at under under

Margaret Sanger's Negro project.

They were they were benefited.

By promoting the financially benefited by promoting her ideas in those local churches.

The second thing was political gain.

It was it allowed most black pastors and within

at least their communities and their hopes for the most part were within white circles.

As relevant as important as having some level of ability to provide.

You know some you know.

Some backup some some support for their ideas and then thirdly the cultural popularity.

To win the approval of feminists the and that's what we're seeing more and more today the

idea of Feminism and that women need Abortion so that they can climb the

corporate ladder and not have any impediment to their success.

That's a feminist idea and it's run roughshod throughout

culture and it's

definitely seeped into local

worldview.

I I address I kind of go through and show how it you you probably very aware of this how in

1977 Jesse Jackson Reverend Jesse Jackson was Was

a you know was pro -life.

Yes.

He advocated for issues regarding pro -life.

He said this quote those advocates that are taking life Prior to birth and are not calling it

killing or murder.

They do so because they understand that that there that it would imply the baby in the womb is somehow

human.

You look at his his words there.

He recognizes, you know.

But the whitewashing as you if you will of the language so that it doesn't sound like there's a

taking of the human life.

That was in 1977.

Of course by the time he got ready to run for political office.

Again on the Democratic to that there was something that he was going to have to give up in order to do

that.

So in 1988 you would hear Jesse Jackson say this quote women must have that

what they do with their bodies and quote

1988 to an unbiblical.

Position.

That was approximately when he was running for president.

Coincidentally, right.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

That was the whole point and purpose of doing what he did.

So of attaining to

some degree some measure of status within a feminist culture.

And so that I laid that out kind of it and they're

and they're mainly Nuancing language for the purpose of not being called out into

one or the other so that way.

Their goal is to offend both both groups that may be within their congregations.

So so that they're so that they're not kind of outed if you will and and and they really spend most of their time

Trying to tamp down water down and and help

excited about the The overturnable view a they want them to kind of quiet down and pipe down.

So that's kind of what you what you have.

I talked about who those were and gave examples in in the piece.

And then finally I went back to Martin Luther King which was the motivation for writing the article that

he had a letter to a Birmingham jail and I wanted to do a letter to black pastors but

he indeed was the beneficiary of The Margaret Sanger planned parent

the letter the fact that Martin Luther King would

not have been an advocate for pro -family pro -life Issues he in fact had teamed up with Margaret Sanger

to to to promote her Negro project.

In fact, wow, or is this way quote facing jail abuse and

physical danger.

Dr King's unceasing efforts on the behalf of Americans to win freedom for the Negro people.

Mrs. Sanger's fight for over the last last half century for the emancipation of women listen to this

part emancipation of women the

Emancipation poverty and hopelessness end quote.

That's on the Margaret Sanger award that dr. King received in 1966 his

wife stood on

the side of Margaret

Sanger.

Intended view regarding pro -choice.

Wow, and there has been for quite a number of years and even decades

The use of dr. King to promote a pro -life anti -abortion

Abortion abolition ideology and so this is a

sad Revelation that he was no friend in reality of the unborn child.

I'm not not receiving the Margaret Sanger planned parenthood.

Yeah.

Well that.

Definitely.

Reveals either the Ignorance of dr. King over the roots of that

Satanic yeah movement of Genocide primarily

intended for black children Or his indifference

over whether or not that really mattered if it helped to maintain

the popularity of His position.

Yeah.

No, no that I finished what I was saying.

Yeah, I a lot of what you response by

dr. King

was the under of the message that

Sanger was promoting and the message was that for the benefit of financial well -being.

It would be beneficial for for blacks not to have that that they

need to have fewer themselves to sterilization.

The promotion

or even in 1960 or so that

that that was the they understood they weren't dude.

There was no ignorance about what she intended and had planned and had been doing for quite some

time since the late 1930s and so by the time you get to 1966 Margaret Sanger's

history background and what she intends to do is absolutely to

today.

Where we're 21 you have been aborted.

Where we're black women represent 8 of the population 7 to 8 percent of the of the

total population.

But but represent somewhere in the neighborhood

of I would say Sanger was very successful.

And and making sure that the communities that she deemed We're not to par.

We're not to her standard.

We're not we're not killed off

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And we're discussing his letter to black pastors and this is largely and

specifically targeting the Issue of the

complacency and the advocacy of the murder of unborn

children by black leaders and pastors and churches.

If you'd like to send us an email with a question do it quickly because we're rapidly running out of time.

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We have Joseph and South Central, Pennsylvania who says.

The rhetoric I hear from pro abortionists perhaps even especially very often

From those who are in the limelight of the media who happen to be black

clergy or political leaders is that the pro -life movement is

very Against or apathetic to the care of children

after they're born.

They don't seem to be capable of actually Answering the direct questions about infanticide

and shift the blame to the pro -life Individuals, can you respond to that?

Yeah, you know, I they actually do or that the ideas

behind and a lot of it has been borne out in the in.

In the responses.

No one is again defending

infanticide.

They the language is always Know that they're usually up

to that.

They're not directly coming out and really really talking about the issue.

What what ends up taking place for the most part are ad hominem?

Attacks.

The idea that you know that you're just against women.

That you're not for taking care of the mother and if you are indeed for life, then you're not for

kind of kind of way Jamal Bryant did you're not you're not advocating enough for life.

If you were really for life then huge of demands that you would

be in life again.

All of that ignores the personal responsibility of the individuals who are indeed having these

children making the decisions.

Bounds of marriage mostly and and who decided they're going to do things their own way.

Yes, yes the responsibility You know is by

those of us who have not made those decisions.

That's that's not the one we're advocating for is the is the child in the womb who is

a innocent

Advocating for and once once that that process is

in their right mind is going to do all they can to provide.

But ultimately the responsibility lies with the mother the father the child and the parents who

are most closely associated with them.

Well, I have been saying for years Going all the way back to when

We in the in the 1990s when I was working for WMCA

radio not as a talk host, but as an account executive selling airtime I

Had even called in to a number of live talk shows on my own

station where I work Including when Pat Buchanan was running for the

Reform Party for president of the United States and I said to Pat

Buchanan Why is it that there isn't a louder

outcry from pro -life people to have

nationally televised films of an abortion Before

every election cycle so that people will vote with an educated mindset

They will know it's actually happening.

Right.

I was shocked that the poster boy for conservatism at the time Pat Buchanan said Oh, I

wouldn't want to do that.

I said why not?

He said well, that would be like televising an execution.

I said, yeah.

That's my point.

And I think that every church that Has a

Member or members that are Abortion abolitionists who

may be in churches that have a vocal pro -choice

Ideology they should insist that that Church either as a

whole or the elder board or whatever watch a Film of an abortion and

then have a question and answer session.

Why do you think that this is such a Rarely heard challenge.

I in fact, I don't want to pat myself on the back, but I'm the only one that I hear saying.

Yeah.

Yeah, I get it.

I I think for the most part that they

make sure that the

interest is in the back.

Exit of the young lady who would who would attempt it to murder her child is is obscured from from view

so that that's that's what what you're dealing with publicly speaking and then and then

Involved a church

of actually witnessing Something like that of an

abortion in your memory forever.

And you'll no longer be able to act ignorant.

Acting as if this is some choice that a woman makes that it's just you know, it's not really a human being.

It's just a clump of cells all those arguments begin to fall away.

What I've learned though over the course of time is that many who claim to be

the pro -life abolition You know

of abortion to some degree.

They would rather mitigate it minimize it slow slow slow track it.

And and they've not they've not been honest and an example quickly of that is what you're seeing now with

these bills in the state as each state begins to Determine what their state is going to do

want to abolish abortion

percent give them against

murder as you would an individual.

So the individual someone murdered me they would be adjudicated according to the law.

Why.

Because I'm a human being created image of God and the same level of protection if we true home is a

human being seeing though that

they were pro -life who indeed believed that the woman is solely a bit any any kind

of a law any kind of any kind of

question or challenge of Her of her victimhood a

big challenge even by those who claim to be who claim to be pro -life.

Well, we're out of time and I want to thank you so much for being such an extraordinary guest as you always are.

Virgil.

Send my warm greetings in Christ to your dear brother and friend Daryl Bernard Harrison and

Let's try to have both of you on together again.

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