July 6, 2017 Show with Don Currin on “For the Love of Church History”

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We have returning to the studio today the reverend buzz Taylor. And it's good to have you back buzz and I'm sure you had a wonderful time with your children. And we have the privilege of interviewing today for the very first time ever on iron sharpens iron Don Curran.

He is from Don Curran ministries and he is involved in multiple ministries including itinerant ministry serving as Eastern European coordinator With heart cry missionary society in Radford, Virginia and caring for the Providence Gospel Church in Tuscumbia, Alabama as their interim pastor today Don Curran is discussing for the love of church history and he's also going to be talking about a conference where he's speaking.

Coming up very soon August 3rd through the 5th in Portland, Maine, and that's the fellowship conference, New England. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to iron sharpens iron Don Curran.

And I'm gonna give our listeners our email address. If you would like to join us on the air with a question for Don Curran. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arn z n at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name at least. Your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA. Well, first of all Don I usually do this when I have a guest on for the first time I would appreciate it.

If you could give our listeners a bit of a description of your Your youth your upbringing what religion if any you were raised in and how our sovereign Lord eventually by his grace and Providence.

Drew you to himself and saved you for the question. I was raised a Baptist to various churches Presbyterian Methodist initially and then of course. Wound up in the Baptist predominantly such met my wife.

But while I was there at the independent of this he had made multiple per was in the institution they had an evangelist and that night Tuesday evening in October God arrested my heart natural work or God opened my heart to Christ and Christ alone and was glory praise God and.

Just a curiosity. What can you tell us. The school that was my co-host the reverend buzz. Taylor is a graduate of Bob Jones University.

Yes. And Jerry Falwell was the founder. Uh-huh. And so I. And there the fall was converted. Huh?

Yeah, um, my very first girlfriend as a Christian was a student at Liberty Baptist University and Later taught at Jerry Falwell's elementary school that was associated with Thomas Road Baptist Church.

Yes, and I visited the campus there and that's been a long time, but I'm sure it's a lot Better now, it's I'm sure it's a lot bigger and more modern and so on.

You were there at the same time I was at Bob Jones so I can tell you right now that At least from what I heard at that time you went to the rival school.

Yeah. Yeah, Jay James Robinson and he is now very much in the extreme of the charismatic movement. Is he not? Well, what were the circumstances involved where you believed? That God had placed a call upon your heart to be a minister.

Well about a year later, I'll be honest Jeremiah from their mother's womb to preach There was always that sent for it But it would ebb and flow and sometimes very strong even long before I was converted.

But after my salvation at age 20 There at that Bible school seemed to be more evident. It was one night where it culminates listening To a lady share a testimony that dr Falwell had come in and share on a Sunday night During the Revolution firm in my heart that he wanted me in gospel ministry in declaring the truths of the Good News, so That's where I was not exhorting.

Praise God. Well now tell us something about Don Curran ministries. Okay, well we It was back in 1984. I had been Involved in that tenor at ministry for about a year and a half before that God began to burden my heart particularly for revival or spiritual awakening.

I was able to be around people like Vance Havner His writings was able to interact a little bit with him meet with him as well in revival and spiritual awakening and The burden for revival intensified the church.

My message primarily is an evangelistic message to the church at large because I was convinced more and more that there were so many people in and Along the way God began to give me this secondary my message will the great need for revival and.

Tell us why you are specifically the Eastern European coordinator with heart cry missionary society, which is an organization founded by Paul Washer. Tell us why specifically you had a burden for Eastern Europe and why you are the coordinator for that area of the world for heart cry.

Well into the providence of God Paul did not create any Expectations in me when we decided to relocate for Shoals, Alabama. We continued our itinerant ministry. Dr. Nathan Barry who's only new Paul for men's copper.

I began to can coordinator. In Eastern Europe you come along and support indigenous missionaries. But in that particular day in the context that seemed to be the great need and it was confirmed to be a part of Eastern Europe for the last well praise God and.

Give us some idea about certain specific things that heart cry is involved in. Well, obviously, you know.

The thing that is unique about heart cry is we support indigenous missionaries legislate every Minute, they must get the gifts in the way of the party one missionaries now just a curiosity the.

Eastern Europe would include countries like Russia and Belarus and Ukraine and Romania and Bulgaria and Serbia and Bosnia and other countries. Do you speak any of these languages?

No, I do not. I do not when I go over to speak nations. Well, we praise God for those gifted.

Men and women who have the ability and the talent to do that to translation work because it enables the gospel to spread Much more effectively and faster if there are not indigenous people who are as gifted in evangelizing and preaching.

When we have somebody like you go over there, it's a blessing to know that those folks are available.

And.

Last but not least before we go into our topic tell us about Providence Chapel Church in Tuscumbia, Alabama.

Where you are currently an interim pastor. Word gospel in a church name. That's right, we are not charismatic at all. We are not fooled to be gospel. Train gospel to the gospel and. And the Reverend Boz Taylor has something to say.

I find it interesting. A couple things you you said that kind of fit together here.

You mentioned that your ministry is largely to unconverted in the churches and you mentioned that through heart cry ministries that.

You.

Try to make sure that they understand that the gospel presentation is accurate and I don't want to say full gospel full enough to actually save people shall I say but Thinking those two thoughts together Do you see primarily the problem with unconverted people in the church is because of the gospel message that has been prevalent.

Absolutely, brother. I think that we need to take a stupid to define the Gospels that are coming down the pike In the name of Christianity or evangelicalism today I think because there's such a large amount of people that are unconverted in our churches like that.

The gospel that's being preached is not a clear biblical. I agree. Yes and.

The Need for a Clear Biblical Gospel and Revival

Today as most of you know if you heard the program from the outset our topic is for the love of church history and Tell us about why you have such a love for church history and or knowing it and why it's so important for Christians to be.

Knowledgeable to some extent of church history. I think it goes back to the call in those early days that my own walk with God Sprout and so many good Rob was for revival study read research. Gleaned from the lives of men who did wife an hour.

As we speak in various venues we will ask missionaries or preachers, you know, if that we have read it in that look it relates to church context of ministry and it's a you know being in Cairo each of though we might be in England and Just another example would be in Italy.

Walled in sin Cade tyranny endured for the gospel will praise God and.

Edmund Burke.

Was famous for saying those who don't know a history are doomed to repeat it I don't. You think this is very applicable. Perhaps especially applicable with Christianity because of the.

The.

Resurrection of old heresies that come about in new packaging today.

Absolutely. Globally. In recent days you read these men's lives. For example, just in the last year I've made my way through very slowly the The ministry and and of course life of Mark Wood's autobiography.

This is what these men battled congeniously.

Well, perhaps you could go through some of those Resurrected false Gospels that we should be aware of today and how some people are preaching things they think are novel and New insights into the scriptures, but they don't even realize that they're regurgitating Things that men and women were condemned for believing in the past.

Yes, they probably want to leave supernatural element out of the gospel and God's dealing with regard. But rather what God can do for even today? I was listening to Martyn Lloyd-Jones classic message on but God and the thing that he continued to underscore in the message supernaturalness.

God must take the initiative. God must open the heart. He is the one that gives repentance and faith. That's not to minimize at all the importance of a man flying to Christ in Christ alone but yet what it is is we found the gospel and we made it very simplistic and We put more emphasis on what man can do by praying the right prayer and Expressing and that guarantees him that he's passed from death to the life and that he's in the kingdom when I think that the revolves back on the importance of Understanding properly the gospel and then preaching it.

This is for the men.

Amen, and just to give our listeners a clarification or summary of decisional regeneration and by the way, I Strongly recommend a booklet and I'm wondering if you do as well. Don a booklet by James Adams called decisional regeneration That is published by Chapel library.

But he decries this this heretical idea that That is basically most commonly manifest in your modern-day altar. Call. Where someone will a preacher or evangelist or a pastor will call upon those in the congregation who believe that they are lost who believe they need a Savior to come forward.

And these people come forward and the minister or the evangelist prays a prayer with them. He typically will recite a prayer that they are to mimic or repeat and then when the prayer is completed very often this Evangelist or minister will declare that everybody is standing there who recited that prayer are with certainty born again saved and have eternal life.

And very often depending upon the Theology of the congregation very often they'll be told and you will never Be lost and don't let anybody trick you into thinking that you're lost. And the devil may even Try to convince you that this really didn't happen to you today.

And you have nothing to fear about losing your salvation. Now obviously you and I being Believers in Sovereign Grace don't believe a true Christian can lose his or her salvation. But there's an entirely different thing between that and somebody who Thinks that they are born again, and is being told that that will never change.

And there are such good. I've got to jump start my spiritual life. Effective man can lie dormant. And he doesn't produce any fruit even though he's prayed the prayer. He's made a decision, and there's absolutely no fruit whatsoever.

And so you have ministers come along or Christians. Well-meaning Christians say well. Have you ever made Jesus as you'll start doing and so they make Christ as Lord? Then they begin to take on the one again, but they've not.

Discipleship Naturally flows out of a genuinely born-again Believer. Same people don't need instruction any reach able them to. That's a bit regeneration.

Yes, in fact some who would be Believers in decisional regeneration even if they don't use that phrase for themselves they would dare to say that man is The determiner of his eternal destiny that He is the one that decides where he will spend eternity and it is because of his choice that forces God's hand to either Welcome into him into heaven or to cast him into hell and that this is in the power of each individual.

And In fact, I can remember even as an unbeliever During a period in my life when I was being drawn I Can remember hearing a very famous Word of Faith Pentecostal? Preaching on the radio and he said That God has done everything that he can do now.

It's all up to you and I remember even as an unbeliever thinking that doesn't seem to make sense. If God if God is supposed to be the almighty all-powerful Omnipresent God. How on earth can the eternal destiny of us of us all be in our Hands for us to flick this the final switch or something that that seems to be entirely backwards to me.

Right, absolutely and I think the nature of grace think there's this compete just well enough seemingly to Maintain his his PGA card. And the guy says can you imagine what my God could do for Jack Nicholson?

Just that whole emphasis, you know of what man can do for himself and what we can do for others rather than What God can do. God must come he must take the field and do his work.

I think we've been plagued though.

This is Reverend Buzz Taylor has something to say. I think we've been plagued.

Particularly as Americans and the American ingenuity that I can do it. And there's a I believe a thinking in evangelicalism that previous to Modern evangelism if you will that the system was somehow broken because they didn't have these massive conversions like you see today.

What do you think about that?

Yeah, absolutely. One of the major reasons why it's not for conscience take support, you know the Billy Graham campaign. Once again, I think they really in the ball. They were not doing their work because they were not seeing people come to Christ but that's the worst thing they could have done was to introduce a system by which man without any and.

Saying that they didn't call for public decisions and that was George Whitfield and Jonathan Edwards king of the gospel. Well, we're going to a break right now. And by the way Don I just forwarded you a very lengthy.

Question and that's actually a series of questions from one of our listeners Jenny and Ben Salem, Pennsylvania and I thought I'd forward it to you since you could have it in front of you while I'm going to a station break and You could review it look it over a bit and if anybody else would like to join us on the air and we do have A number of you already waiting to have your questions asked and answered by Don Curran.

But if anybody else would like to join us, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Please give us your first name at least. Your city and state of residence in your country of residence.

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And he is addressing for the love of church history. And he's also going to be speaking at the Fellowship Conference New England coming up in August. In fact Don before we go to Jenny and Ben Salem's Ben Salem, Pennsylvania's question if you could tell us a bit about the Fellowship Conference New England where you'll be speaking and if you have Determined a topic for your speaking engagements there yet.

I know that This is one of those rare conferences where there is no one theme at the Fellowship Conference New England that each pastor or speaker preaches or speaks on an on an area that is burdening his heart, but it doesn't necessarily have to have a Thorough or clear connection with the other speakers other than the gospel of Jesus Christ, of course.

But if you could tell us about Fellowship Conference New England.

Yes, I really appreciate the conference. It is something they they're seeking the face of God for something real and most important this day and age something very biblical. You know the brethren that have that up or just embody reality their passion is for Christ to hold complete sway over the churches across the land.

But knowing these people knowing their families their heart for Christ their heart for the truth of God's Word it makes for a delightful delightful atmosphere a context in which I believe with with the bit the type of Christ exalted made the prospered in doing a.

Work of if anybody would like to register for the Fellowship Conference New England go to Fellowship Conference New England Calm that's Fellowship Conference New England calm. The dates of the conference are August 3rd through the 5th and it is held at the Deering Center Community Church on Brentwood Street in Portland, Maine and I hope especially that all of my listeners in Maine make it a point to go there, but I'm sure that if those of my listeners who live not only in other parts of the country but other parts of the world if you have the finances and the ability to Jump on a train plane or automobile to get to Portland, Maine.

I Hope that you can do so and that is Fellowship Conference New England calm and the other speakers Included on that roster in addition to Don Curran our pastor Mack Tomlinson a dear friend of mine Who serves as an elder at the Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas, he's also an author Pastor Jesse Barrington who was on this program not long ago pastor of Grace Life Church in Dallas, Texas, which is a sister church of Grace Life Church in Lake City, Florida who has a radio station that airs iron sharpens iron radio every day in a pre-recorded form and Last but not least pastor Nate Nate pickowitz Who is the author of reviving New England something that we interviewed Nate on just a week or so ago.

And he is pastor of Harvest Bible Church. So that's Fellowship Conference New England calm. Fellowship Conference New England calm now, we will return to the questions from our audience starting with Jenny in Ben Salem, Pennsylvania Who actually has a number of questions here.

She starts off saying I see that your ministry operates under a local church leadership with which is crucial For all parachurch organizations to have accountability. Which I not only applaud and appreciate but more importantly it is a biblical mandate.

Lately there have been some parachurch organizations that operate Discernment ministries that have absolutely no accountability whatsoever. They operate without a local church leadership and in the case of one particular Discernment ministry the leader of that ministry doesn't even attend a church And she begins her questions.

What is your studied response to this question or this situation?

Well, I believe very strongly Chris in the local church. I believe that this is God's ordained agent for carrying out the Great Commission. I'm a firm advocate of the local church from the vantage point of accountability.

Oversight. It's interesting that she cites. I believe that What that movement is all about is probably discerning. They claim to have some type of spiritual gift where they can Look in their mind what they've been involved in immersed.

They would recognize that our source is not some subjective impression that we get from wherever but rather it's and so. This is why I believe that we need the local church. We need people that can handle the work God and teach us to properly discern.

What's coming down the pike in the name of Christianity? I personally would be extremely extremely leery and I know this could it would be hard for us As a local church as well as for my wife and I to support financially any oriented.

I think they need to have me at the Man or man or whoever needs to function to the glory of God.

And Jenny has a second question. Shouldn't leaders in the visible church privately and if necessary publicly rebuke these types of church Organizations that have no accountability and are inherently.

Unbiblical, actually, I believe very strongly in a ministry of Confrontation. I think that what we need to do is expose them Inadvertently by preaching the truth of God's Word what the scripture teaches for those who have ears to hear actually.

To see them that deal with this is so yes, I don't think that that that wins today I don't think we're going to see Much reversed in regard to what they're involved in doing that. But I think at times what we do need to do publicly is to keep reiterating teaching expounding the Word of God that God exposed that and expose of the lives of People that are possibly being drawn to that type of confrontation and then can well if we have time later.

We'll we'll address some of Jenny's other questions because we do have a lot of listeners waiting to have their questions asked and answered. So thank you so much Jenny for taking the time to write such thoughtful questions and keep listening to iron sharpens iron and Spreading the word about the program in Ben Salem, Pennsylvania and beyond.

We have a listener all the way in Slovenia. Joe. Who says dear brother Chris? Thank you so much for having brother Don and his focus on missions in Eastern Europe. Please ask brother Don to describe what if any involvement heart cry may have in Slovenia.

He would he be interested in visiting me here for the purpose of exploring volunteer mission opportunities and in church planting with a Reformed Baptist brother and. Would he be interested in coming to Slovenia to learn about Reformation Church history and her like leaders like Primo's true bar and jury Dalmatan who created the written Slovenian languages Language wrote the first Protestant catechism and translated the Bible in Slovenian.

We desperately need brothers and churches of like-minded reformed faith engaged in church planning in Slovenia. Currently I know none. Thank you for thank you so much for giving me this platform to address brother brother Don and brothers around the world on behalf of Those here in Slovenia as yet still lost in darkness.

Really appreciate this. Certainly would be very open to listening to what the burden and vision is for that part of the world deciding their website that way the gentlemen or gentlemen that have been designated for that region of the world.

Would take his request absolutely some help this string in any way and then they could pray future ministry. But we're certainly never closed. We're not deaf to any. Come alongside and make the gospel more effective in that particular context around the world.

So. But brother, I mean he's covered a lot there and what he said to you Chris. But the best thing I could encourage him to do is to contact our crime missionaries the side of the website and that way.

Someone there in the office would respond to his request and Joe. The website is heartcrymissionary .com. Heartcrymissionary .com. So take up Brother Don's advice and do that as soon as possible. We're going to a break right now.

And if anybody else would like to join the other is still waiting to have their questions asked and answered. By a brother Don Curran. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris ar n ze n at gmail .com.

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