December 12, 2016 Show with Terry Burlingame on “When God’s Will & My Will Disconnect (continued)”
“WHEN GOD’s WILL & MY WILL DISCONNECT” (continued)
with guest DR. TERRY BURLINGAME, Author & Counselor with the Biblical Counseling Center, Jenison, MI
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Wishing you all a happy Monday on this 12th day of December 2016 and
Iron sharpens iron is now officially declaring that we are in chapter 11.
No, I'm not talking about the financial hardship Chapter 11, although we are
in financial hardship.
I'm talking about chapter 11 of the book that we began addressing months ago by our guest
Terry Burlingame and Terry Burlingame is going to be revisiting
or returning to the book that he has written when God's will and my
will disconnect and It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time of
what am I saying for the very first time I am Just discombobulated today Terry because of my
rushing around dealing with gmail problems.
But it's my it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back again to
continue in our study of when my gods when my will and God's will disconnect and
It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back Terry Burlingame.
Yes, and I think I may have even butchered the title of your show the second time I announced it.
It's when God's will and my will disconnect, correct?
The God comes first, correct?
And by the way, I For those of you who don't already know write down this new email
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and as As I always do or typically do at any rate
with my guests.
Especially because we have new listeners joining the iron sharpens iron audience.
It seems every day or close to every day I'd like you
to give a little bit of your own personal background the religious Atmosphere of
your childhood if any and how the Lord brought providential occurrences into your life.
To draw you to you to himself and save you.
Well, thank you, Chris.
I'd be happy to I was
Principals early on in my life.
We went to church during my junior high high school years.
My church was a An occasional
and maybe some other times during the course a year.
We had moved into a new area when I was in the seventh grade and really just stopped going to church.
When I was a senior in high school Near the end of my senior year Went to a service
and the Lord convicted me of sin and my need for a Savior.
Then my life was I'm heading down a wrong track.
And so I committed my life to Christ at that point in time Accepted him as my Lord and
Savior was born again.
Knew at that time that my life had been changed and knew also at that point in time
the Lord was calling me into ministry and So went to a Bible college
find that in a seminary to train for Ministry
point time was going to be pastoral ministry.
Lord redirected us for a career and went to the US Army chaplaincy and Served
as a chaplain the army For a career retiring in 1997.
Then I did pastor for 10 years here in Michigan before I retired from that position about
10 years ago.
They've been working at the biblical counseling center and Have a further degree received from Westminster
Seminary in Philadelphia.
In.
Pastoral counseling.
Dr. Mistry.
Number of years ago now about 20 years ago now.
And if you could.
You brought to my attention that in the past I had.
I.
Had given the wrong website address for your counseling center if you could give us the correct one.
Yeah, I were come at the service of biblical counseling center in Jennison, Michigan.
The website for the center is BCCM I.
Org.
Just simply BCC biblical counseling center am I from michigan .org
and so that's where I do serve part -time now and counsel there and we have a
ministry that really reaches to people and all walks of life and Help
people seek to help people on all problems of life and through scriptures to
biblical from calcium of the biblical perspective.
Great.
Well, we have been going through this book of yours when God's will and
my will disconnect.
For our listeners who are discovering this book for the first time. They did not hear any of our
previous discussions.
If You could please Let our listeners know something
about the The the premise of this book and explain the title.
Sure.
Um, thank you the the title when God's will and my will disconnect
comes out of the account of Joseph and Genesis.
About 13 chapters given to Joseph in his life from the time in Canaan
with his father and brothers his transportation we could say to Egypt as a slave
and as a prisoner and then as a ruler and What I look at
when I was reading through this section of Genesis a number of years ago now Began to think that
Joseph very likely made some very definite choices in his life.
Joseph appears to be a very godly individual having made right choices to maintain his faith and to believe that God
was at work in his life and through his life.
And so looking at the story of Joseph I Saw there were likely 15
decisions that he made at one point in time or for a
Process of his life of his very character that he was committed to doing what was
right.
And so I looked at these 15 Decisions or these 15 choices and said
these are choices that I need to be aware of in my own life choices that when things don't go the way I
Anticipate them to go when it seems that God's will is very disconnected from what
my will is what I think should be happening.
How do I how do I respond to that?
What are some of the choices that I need to make and the very first choice really becomes foundational for
all of them.
Where it says I choose to accept that I'm not in control.
That God is in control and circumstances will happen that are beyond my control.
As a very foundational choice.
For the believer to say I I'm not in control God is and I need to trust him
that what he does and how he is working is Good, and he will work
things together in such a manner as is pleasing to him.
Will bring glory to him and it's good for me and will be for my benefit.
Even when I don't see it or understand it and so putting these choices before us in various
situations and areas of our life, I believe that it's important for us to Consider,
um, how do we respond when things just are not going as we?
Anticipated them to go in our lives.
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And What were the specific circumstances in your life that actually led you to?
Want to write this book to begin with?
We do
a devotional read begin seeing
these
things
from Joe.
That was
in a
different
provision
Hadden
but we could never
have imagined
in
our lives as
to say what
kind
of
choices
we make.
How do we deal with those circumstances?
You know, I
gave a copy of your book to one of my former pastors.
Doug Totter he is one of the pastors at grace reform Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick,
New York, and he has a daughter with autism so I told him the background of why you wrote the book
and He just received it very recently.
So I hope that is a blessing to him as well.
Well, we are in chapter 11 as I said.
But this is as I said has nothing to do with being on the verge of bankruptcy although I am
in Experiencing financial difficulties.
As I always remind or I should say I try to remember to remind my iron sharpens iron listeners as much
as possible to please.
Let me know if you are aware of anyone who would like to sponsor this program.
But other than that the chapter 11 that we left off in last time you were a guest on the program we
were discussing I choose to forgive others as a part of this whole
series of Issues under the umbrella of when God's will and my will Disconnect.
We may have already started to that topic, but it is a very deep Topic so it doesn't even matter if we've
already addressed some of that issue.
We could spend nearly a year or maybe even more than a year every day discussing that
but if you could Begin with an explanation of what you mean by that in your in your book.
No, you could go right ahead explain.
Now you brought up something interesting In your in some of your
definition of forgiveness forgiveness itself.
And perhaps before I even go into what I was going to say if you could give me right now and give our
listeners a definition of forgiveness.
Sure, I
don't
demand anything
of you.
You don't
demand
anything of
me.
Okay, I think
that.
If I'm not mistaken a very highly respected biblical counselor who I'm sure you
Know and perhaps admire.
I don't mean necessarily, you know him personally, but you know of his work Dr. J Adams He
has been a guest in this program.
It's been quite a while, but he wrote a book Published by the same publisher
actually that published your book Calvary Press.
From forgiven to forgiving.
And I think that dr. Adams from my recollection agrees with Most if not
all of how you defined forgiveness, but he would say that because of that.
The things that are essential elements of genuine forgiveness
Include that the person who you are forgiving Realizes that he
needs to be forgiven requests forgiveness and demonstrates repentance.
Then there are many Christians Even theologically reformed Christians that disagree with that.
Dr. John MacArthur Unless he has changed his mind who is a modern -day hero of mine.
He thinks that we have to forgive people Even if they don't ask for it, even if they don't think they need it,
even if they continue sinning against us Unrepentantly now obviously as you were
quoting the scriptures before we're supposed to forgive Seventy times seven, but I'm not a hundred
percent sure and perhaps you could tell us how you exegete that if that means we're just supposed to
be Repeatedly forgiving people for the same exact sin that they are not repenting of
Purposefully, but anyway, let's go back before you even answer that.
Would you are you aware of that?
Controversy between Dr. Adams and John MacArthur for instance.
Absolutely and.
Come before
him and
ask for
his
friend in me
and say
I need to
forgive
them.
Because I don't fruit within me against they
need to be able to not hold that sin against them.
And if it's repeated to recognize that the sin is not just against me But that's it is against God and God
will hold that individual accountable.
I don't want to have that
birth
now.
The I'm pretty certain dr. Adams would agree with you completely about people being unaware of
Sins that they've committed.
In fact Jesus on the cross that's one of the very things he said father forgive them for they know
not what they do.
But.
The obviously If someone has sinned against you and they don't even know it then you have not fulfilled your
obligation From Matthew and other places in the scripture to approach them and
let them be aware of how they've offended you.
But One of the things that has me a bit
Confused about that issue if we were to take your Position on it and dr. MacArthur's
position on it Are we not to hold a sin against
a brother or a person?
That does not repent of it because it may bring about danger into not only our own life But the lives of our
loved ones for instance.
You're not going to say well that person is a child molester.
That person has molested my children before but I forgive that person and therefore
I'm going to let him babysit or welcome him into my home and Not even bring up the issue.
Obviously, that would be horrific.
That would be horrible.
That would be Sinful of me to be lacking in my protection of my own
children and family if you could.
That's true.
You know, I've
got to be
very careful with that
that there are constantly
acknowledgment.
If
you didn't
you
mentioned a
child molest
and anger
towards
anything
and move
ahead
that God will
use
this
somehow in their life.
Just with Jesus Christ, you know I'm saying.
Yes, but obviously just to make it clear though you would you would carry through with
consequences severe ones.
For an individual who has done something like that because first of all, you're not even dealing with just
your own Body mind or heart being hurt.
You're talking about someone else namely Innocent helpless children in that scenario anyway
and so therefore your actions don't only involve just you they involve your children the victims
and.
So.
Obviously, I'm assuming that you would be very Wanted to make it clear that you would.
In a case like that when when the lives and health and well -being and safety of others
are involved severe consequences often have to be followed
through with even though the person has even if
on occasion if the person has Repented and asked him for forgiveness in certain circumstances, but
surely when they have not Repented.
Am I am I right?
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Before I go to one of my listeners in Ada hide up Ada, Ohio.
I have a question of my own for Terry Berlingame before we move off
of the subject of.
Forgiveness I.
Have wondered about this issue for a long time perhaps even more so after reading. Dr. Adams book
Terry and one of the things that seems and perhaps you could clear this up one of the seams that one of the things that
seems to be Contradictory in
involving giving wholesale forgiveness even to those who do not
ask for it or Demonstrate any kind of repentance. It seems to be inconsistent with the
way Jesus Christ himself forgives because if he forgave that way Hell
will be empty for all eternity.
And if you could comment on that.
Hello, Terry.
Yes.
Yes.
Did you did you hear my question?
I'm sorry.
Yep.
If oh, I'm sorry I was I was I was pressing
a mute button that I shouldn't have been pressing if you could continue Terry.
I'm sorry.
Okay, I believe it.
I don't see
that Jacob
ever
did but
they never can from
the very beginning
that
God has
been at
work and he is
there and work this
story and for their good and Joseph had no need to hold that against them because
he saw God's hand working.
I Believe that when
we forgiving them,
I really free myself.
Yeah, I
guess
that
would
explain why
people
go to
hell
because there is no relationship.
Between.
There is no parental relationship.
Or relationship as sons and daughters to God if there is no repentance.
So I'm assuming that's one of the reasons why?
Unrepentant people will be in hell because otherwise as I said, the hell will just be completely empty.
Yeah, absolutely.
They have never acknowledged ever acknowledged.
There should be for a holy god.
And by the way, I would hate to get a nasty letter from dr. J.
Yeah, I'm saying that I'm misrepresenting him in any way.
I want to make it clear that he does not believe Christians have any liberty to hold grudges
Against People who have sinned against them.
We're not.
He believes firmly that we have to love our enemies do good for our enemies and
Things such as that that the scriptures command, but he just categorizes the actual term
Forgiveness in a different way than many if not, most Evangelicals do today.
So I want to make that clear that he is not saying that it is completely acceptable for Christians to hold on to bitterness and hatred
Against those that have sinned against them.
He would say that that is wicked behavior.
So.
We do have Dave in Ada, Ohio, and I'm not sure if it's Ada or Ada.
Maybe somebody can correct me once and for all because Dave never has corrected me either way.
Dave's asks my question is can my will really be done in matters of
salvation?
I know his will is Always done and he is sovereign.
Isn't his will always done in all things.
Even if we can't see it for war even think so and I think this calls
on your part Terry for a a definition of
of God's will because there are different aspects of it.
Are there not?
Yeah, I am kind of getting that that gist from Dave and of course he can send another email to clarify himself
and I think there may be a blurring of the distinction between.
God's.
Prescriptive will and his decreed will in other words everything that comes to place if you are
theologically reformed like we are.
We believe that everything that occurs even the most horrible atrocities that have occurred are
according to the sovereign decree of God, but his prescriptive will
Says that murder is a damnable wicked sin and adultery and in fornication and all
these things are Against his will in that sense.
Praise
God.
Thank You Dave and Ada Idaho.
I'm sorry, David in Ada, Ohio.
It's not as easy said as you may think.
Ada, Ohio, Ada, Ohio people gonna think.
I'm speaking in tongues anything.
We have Sterling pastor sterling vanderwerker in
Greensboro, North Carolina, and he says Chris.
Thanks again for a good show.
This question of universal Oh Unilateral forgiveness is a long
-studied problem of mine.
I like you disagree with Dr. MacArthur.
I.
And.
Agree more with Jay Adams.
The problem really rests on where we get our definition of forgiveness.
The doctrine of sin begs the work of forgiveness for sin.
If God defined forgiveness as unilateral forgiveness and we live in his
creation Then this is the progress of forgiveness.
One God's decreed sin atonement and forgiveness before the beginning of time
To God created time and we were created and born into time.
Three we sinned in Adam and personally.
For we are informed by sin by the Word of God and convicted by truth by the work
of the Holy Spirit.
Five repentance is called for by God and six forgiveness and atonement are parts that
logically follow the recognition of sin the desire to repent the actual repentance and
The enjoying of repentance.
Do you or the author know of a format?
I'm sorry.
Do you or the author know of a formal work on this subject?
I don't know if that was too much for your mind to absorb over the phone and everything there Terry.
But if I could repeat anything, just let me know.
I'm saying because I've
not been willing
to
forget
before the eyes
of God.
Yes, and I think that I think that I'm pretty certain.
Dr. J Adams would agree with a lot of what you said.
Because as I was saying earlier, I know that he would not believe that we should let the sins of others
against us control us.
And.
And I think that one example in some degree that fits that is Jonah.
He didn't even want to evangelize Those wicked folks over in
Nineveh, right?
I mean.
Yeah,
obviously that whole story is a perfect example of how sin has
consequences and.
Very often extremely serious ones.
The man was swallowed by a giant fish.
So he didn't he didn't get off scot -free without chastisement When he was in the
midst of his unrepentance.
Yes, I could.
I can even say how thankful I am that I
underwent church discipline.
Years ago when I had sadly returned to the sin of habitual
drunkenness I had allowed the trials of life get the better of me and
chose to Anesthetize myself through alcohol and if I had not been
under the loving discipline of people who cared Enough about my not only my
physical life, but my eternal soul.
I might very well have Died.
I might not even be here talking to you right now.
So that's another just a tangible way that I personally
Have benefited from there being chastisement in the midst of my
sin and and then I believe that that.
Obviously you do as well that the scriptures teach that God chastises those whom he loves.
And.
We have to go to.
I thank you for that by the way and we have to go to our next break right now if You would like to join us on the air.
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I.
Choose to serve others.
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I choose to serve others if you could give us the premise for that.
Sure,
yeah
the
whole.
The whole scene that we have in that that whole story of Joseph.
Is quite remarkable how he resisted temptation when we have Potiphar's.
Wife.
Attempting to seduce him sexually and.
I.
Get the the clear implication that she was probably very Physically attractive because he
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left his garment behind and I think that this is a lesson to be learned
for men.
Who are?
Listening to this.
Men very often have this ridiculous fallacious and wicked notion
That if we are real men that we are to be ready and raring to go.
And every opportunity to engage in a sexual activity with an attractive
woman.
And David realized that that would be such a height of betrayal
not only especially and foremost first and foremost to God but even to His
master there in the prison and he fled from this woman if you could comment further on
that.
Because
I'm
gonna be
very
amen.
And
in
chapter
13 we now.
Move on to.
I choose to accept my emotions.
Okay, I
put
down.
Sure.
Sure.
Go
ahead.
There
are
rejected
by
the
cover says I'll
remember
you.
I'm
restored.
And he
didn't
up there
now
having
said
all
that.
Do you not
believe
that?
Every Christian Should when it is appropriate and then maybe well, not even maybe
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horrible and wicked especially when others Other than
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principles and word I.
Think you're
absolutely
right.
Are you
monitoring
me?
Only kidding.
That
we do
have.
David again and Ada Ohio and David
asks a question that goes back to our discussion on Forgiveness, can I
actually will myself to forgive or Do I forgive by God's
grace given to me for forgiveness of others?
That's
a good
question,
yes, okay.
Thanks.
I
appreciate
that
and
right
nearby here.
Oh, okay.
And.
Yeah, there are people Perhaps they are new to
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Are we not we yet?
We are called to obey him and we are called to discipline ourselves and be
disciplined by those in authority over us in the church and so on and this is
At times a very arduous and Laborious task in our lives depending upon what circumstances
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Am I right?
Yes, amen, and we are going to our final break right now.
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the chapter I choose to celebrate with others and.
And.
Terry I can cannot help but immediately think of the prodigal son
when he after living a life of debauchery
and Rebelling against his godly father and and
squandering his inheritance which he Wanted even before his
father died.
When he came crawling back to his father, he didn't even need to do that because his father
saw him from a distance and ran to him and celebrated the son's return and
The household was celebrating except for the brother.
He chose not to celebrate the brother who had been in many ways at least
outwardly faithful to his father and was feeling slighted was feeling jealous
that he had never had a celebration like that for himself and He had never abandoned his
father whereas the brother that did do that.
Has this huge party going on.
But
if
you
could
comment
on
that
heaven
when
one
man
repents.
No,
and
and to see
lives
of.
And so I'm
going back
to Joseph
here.
I didn't know it all.
Up to Egypt in the sermon.
Everything seems to make sense now.
And to be able to celebrate what God had done.
That God had
been at work
in
God's
Magnificent work and.
We have
an anonymous listener from Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.
Who says Don't you think though very often we have to be
very careful about when and where and Why we are celebrating with others,
especially in this day and age.
When people are celebrating things that are an abomination to God such as same -sex
Marriages so -called and perhaps when homosexual couples adopt a child or
something similar.
I know that we are not to be pharisaic and have a holier -than -thou attitude and
Look down upon them in Self -righteousness, but we are also
called to be holy and to not give the appearance That we are celebrating evil.
Am I right on this?
We can never
break that which
is
against
the
commands
and
that
we
do
have
another
anonymous
listener
in.
Pennsylvania who says I have friends who I love dearly
who are godly Christian people but I disagree with them on certain things such
as Celebrating weddings and other special events with people of other
religions.
They.
These friends of mine say that they Will never go
for instance to a wedding that is being performed in a Roman Catholic
Church or a synagogue or a mosque or some other house of worship that is not
Christian because they say that we are sinning by being involved
in a non -christian ceremony.
But I go to these events because I'm not actually practicing a Non -christian
right or actually being involved in a religious act.
That is an offense to God.
I am just observing a wedding or other special occasion and Celebrating
the positive and godly aspect of what is occurring are my friends, right?
Or am I right?
That's a good question.
Oh, yeah, it
makes perfect
sense and I'm
even
thinking of
myself I
have.
Gone and will continue to go to Roman Catholic weddings and Funerals and things like that, but
I won't for instance.
I obviously will not receive their mass.
And nor do they want me to.
You're not supposed to receive the mass if you're not a Roman Catholic even according to their.
Rules.
And obviously if I went to a Hindu wedding, I'm not gonna bow before an idol or something.
In fact, I can even remember specifically at my mother's funeral.
My mom made a clear profession of faith.
That.
Left me rejoicing and completely satisfied that she was truly trusting in
Christ alone for his finished work for her salvation before she Departed this
earth and I am convinced that she is in glory with him.
But my dad was still Roman Catholic at the time and
therefore he had arranged a Roman Catholic funeral for her and My
family asked me to get up and say some words from the Pulpit in this Catholic
Church, which I did but I did not do what they instructed me to do.
They had a woman there in the church who was basically a guide
To how to conduct yourself at a Catholic funeral.
She wanted me to genuflect before the Sacristy where
they have the host because they believe that Jesus Christ is physically Present in there and I would not
do that.
Right.
I I just I just stood there.
She genuflected next to me, but I did not follow suit Imitate her.
I just stood there and then went up to the pulpit and read scripture and said what I had to say
but I think that that basically, you know can give a a Differentiation
between.
Being.
Participating in an event like that without actually being involved in a unbiblical
right of some kind.
That's
an
excellent on
God's way.
Yes, and of
course
sometimes
these
questions are going to.
We're going to disagree with our brothers from time to time on when to be
involved and when to.
Go to an event like for instance a common thing that reform people have to deal with
like for instance reform.
Baptists wonder at times should I go to.
The.
The baptismal service of an infant by even a godly Presbyterian brother who agrees with me on
99 of all things that that you know
in matters of soteriology and theology and of and on the flip side you may have
Presbyterians who are wondering should I go to see this brother or sister get
baptized as a believer when I know.
Already they have been baptized as a baby.
So, you know, you're you're gonna have some differences of agreement on on Giving outward approval to what's
occurring in of an event like that when you're celebrating it.
Now another thing that divides Christians when we celebrate.
Certain things and I've had this come up with friends and brothers and sisters on a number of occasions.
Obviously as you know, there is a dissent.
There's a disagreement among faithful brethren.
Even among some well -known folks that we would highly respect.
There's a disagreement over remarriage after divorce and you have
sometimes dear couples getting married where one or both were previously divorced and
The person is filled with either guilt or they have a hesitancy
to Be involved in this celebration because they personally are convicted that there
should be no marriage after a divorce.
What what is your comment on a situation like that?
Well, I I'm assuming you.
You would believe that it is it is wrong for us to do something that we think is sin even if we're wrong.
Well,
I'm assuming by the way you phrase that you do believe that there are
biblical divorces and that some marriages after divorce would be.
Legitimate that that's actually correct.
I know John Murray had that view and there are many Reformed and other godly biblical
Christians who believe that on certain circumstances.
A marriage after divorce is completely acceptable.
I would say that they're
actually biblical.
Well, if you could close our program with two minutes of.
Why
you
choose
to glorify
God.
30 seconds.
Everything else
so that
God is in heathen.
Amen.
And.
By the way, it's been a long time since I've been Roman Catholic.
So I misspoke about my wording used earlier.
It's the monstrance that holds the consecrated hosts in the Catholic Church.
And there may be another term as well that I'm forgetting.
I said sacristy, but I don't think that that's right.
But anyway It has been such a pleasure having you back on the program Terry
and I Really look forward to having you back.
You have been truly a wealth of information and this is one of the few times that a book by
one of my guests has demanded a quite a number of returns as a
guest to discuss the one book because it's a multifaceted and very deep book that you have written and
how can our listeners get a hold of When God's will and my will disconnect.
I know that Calvary Press is the publisher of that book.
And
of course you could get it from cvbbs .com.
CV for Cumberland Valley BBS for Bible book service.
Calm and as far as the Biblical Counseling Center of Jennison, Michigan, I have bccmi .org
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Am I being for Michigan?
Thank you so much Terry.
I look forward to having you back.
Thank you for everybody who listened especially those who wrote questions.
I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior Than you are a sinner.
God bless.