December 12, 2016 Show with Terry Burlingame on “When God’s Will & My Will Disconnect (continued)”

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Terry Burlingame’s Background and the Book’s Central Premise

Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania and the rest of humanity who are living on the planet Earth. Listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arns in your host of iron sharpens iron. Wishing you all a happy Monday on this 12th day of December 2016 and Iron sharpens iron is now officially declaring that we are in chapter 11.

No, I'm not talking about the financial hardship Chapter 11, although we are in financial hardship. I'm talking about chapter 11 of the book that we began addressing months ago by our guest Terry Burlingame and Terry Burlingame is going to be revisiting or returning to the book that he has written when God's will and my will disconnect and It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time of what am I saying for the very first time I am Just discombobulated today Terry because of my rushing around dealing with gmail problems.

But it's my it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back again to continue in our study of when my gods when my will and God's will disconnect and It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back Terry Burlingame.

Yes, and I think I may have even butchered the title of your show the second time I announced it. It's when God's will and my will disconnect, correct? The God comes first, correct? And by the way, I For those of you who don't already know write down this new email address for iron sharpens iron for those of you desiring to ask questions of our guests.

From now on until further notice the email address is Chris Arnzen at Comcast .net and Comcast is spelled C O M as in Michael CAST .net Chris Arnzen at Comcast net. We've been experiencing some difficulties with Gmail so use that Address until further notice perhaps even permanently and as As I always do or typically do at any rate with my guests.

Especially because we have new listeners joining the iron sharpens iron audience. It seems every day or close to every day I'd like you to give a little bit of your own personal background the religious Atmosphere of your childhood if any and how the Lord brought providential occurrences into your life.

To draw you to you to himself and save you.

Well, thank you, Chris. I'd be happy to I was Principals early on in my life. We went to church during my junior high high school years. My church was a An occasional and maybe some other times during the course a year.

We had moved into a new area when I was in the seventh grade and really just stopped going to church. When I was a senior in high school Near the end of my senior year Went to a service and the Lord convicted me of sin and my need for a Savior.

Then my life was I'm heading down a wrong track. And so I committed my life to Christ at that point in time Accepted him as my Lord and Savior was born again. Knew at that time that my life had been changed and knew also at that point in time the Lord was calling me into ministry and So went to a Bible college find that in a seminary to train for Ministry point time was going to be pastoral ministry.

Lord redirected us for a career and went to the US Army chaplaincy and Served as a chaplain the army For a career retiring in 1997. Then I did pastor for 10 years here in Michigan before I retired from that position about 10 years ago.

They've been working at the biblical counseling center and Have a further degree received from Westminster Seminary in Philadelphia.

In.

Pastoral counseling. Dr. Mistry. Number of years ago now about 20 years ago now.

And if you could. You brought to my attention that in the past I had.

I.

Had given the wrong website address for your counseling center if you could give us the correct one.

Yeah, I were come at the service of biblical counseling center in Jennison, Michigan. The website for the center is BCCM I.

Org.

Just simply BCC biblical counseling center am I from michigan .org and so that's where I do serve part-time now and counsel there and we have a ministry that really reaches to people and all walks of life and Help people seek to help people on all problems of life and through scriptures to biblical from calcium of the biblical perspective.

Great. Well, we have been going through this book of yours when God's will and my will disconnect. For our listeners who are discovering this book for the first time. They did not hear any of our previous discussions.

If You could please Let our listeners know something about the The the premise of this book and explain the title.

Sure. Um, thank you the the title when God's will and my will disconnect comes out of the account of Joseph and Genesis. About 13 chapters given to Joseph in his life from the time in Canaan with his father and brothers his transportation we could say to Egypt as a slave and as a prisoner and then as a ruler and What I look at when I was reading through this section of Genesis a number of years ago now Began to think that Joseph very likely made some very definite choices in his life.

Joseph appears to be a very godly individual having made right choices to maintain his faith and to believe that God was at work in his life and through his life. And so looking at the story of Joseph I Saw there were likely 15 decisions that he made at one point in time or for a Process of his life of his very character that he was committed to doing what was right.

And so I looked at these 15 Decisions or these 15 choices and said these are choices that I need to be aware of in my own life choices that when things don't go the way I Anticipate them to go when it seems that God's will is very disconnected from what my will is what I think should be happening.

How do I how do I respond to that? What are some of the choices that I need to make and the very first choice really becomes foundational for all of them. Where it says I choose to accept that I'm not in control.

That God is in control and circumstances will happen that are beyond my control. As a very foundational choice. For the believer to say I I'm not in control God is and I need to trust him that what he does and how he is working is Good, and he will work things together in such a manner as is pleasing to him.

Will bring glory to him and it's good for me and will be for my benefit. Even when I don't see it or understand it and so putting these choices before us in various situations and areas of our life, I believe that it's important for us to Consider, um, how do we respond when things just are not going as we?

Anticipated them to go in our lives. And once again, let me repeat our new email address if anybody has any questions. It's Chris Arnzen at comcast .net. That's Chris Arnzen at Comcast. C O M as in Michael cast .net.

And What were the specific circumstances in your life that actually led you to? Want to write this book to begin with?

We do a devotional read begin seeing these things from Joe. That was in a different provision Hadden but we could never have imagined in our lives as to say what kind of choices we make. How do we deal with those circumstances?

You know, I gave a copy of your book to one of my former pastors.

Doug Totter he is one of the pastors at grace reform Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, New York, and he has a daughter with autism so I told him the background of why you wrote the book and He just received it very recently.

So I hope that is a blessing to him as well. Well, we are in chapter 11 as I said. But this is as I said has nothing to do with being on the verge of bankruptcy although I am in Experiencing financial difficulties.

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But other than that the chapter 11 that we left off in last time you were a guest on the program we were discussing I choose to forgive others as a part of this whole series of Issues under the umbrella of when God's will and my will Disconnect.

We may have already started to that topic, but it is a very deep Topic so it doesn't even matter if we've already addressed some of that issue. We could spend nearly a year or maybe even more than a year every day discussing that but if you could Begin with an explanation of what you mean by that in your in your book.

No, you could go right ahead explain. Now you brought up something interesting In your in some of your definition of forgiveness forgiveness itself. And perhaps before I even go into what I was going to say if you could give me right now and give our listeners a definition of forgiveness.

Sure, I don't demand anything of you. You don't demand anything of me. Okay, I think that.

If I'm not mistaken a very highly respected biblical counselor who I'm sure you Know and perhaps admire. I don't mean necessarily, you know him personally, but you know of his work Dr. J Adams He has been a guest in this program.

It's been quite a while, but he wrote a book Published by the same publisher actually that published your book Calvary Press. From forgiven to forgiving. And I think that dr. Adams from my recollection agrees with Most if not all of how you defined forgiveness, but he would say that because of that.

The things that are essential elements of genuine forgiveness Include that the person who you are forgiving Realizes that he needs to be forgiven requests forgiveness and demonstrates repentance. Then there are many Christians Even theologically reformed Christians that disagree with that.

Dr. John MacArthur Unless he has changed his mind who is a modern-day hero of mine. He thinks that we have to forgive people Even if they don't ask for it, even if they don't think they need it, even if they continue sinning against us Unrepentantly now obviously as you were quoting the scriptures before we're supposed to forgive Seventy times seven, but I'm not a hundred percent sure and perhaps you could tell us how you exegete that if that means we're just supposed to be Repeatedly forgiving people for the same exact sin that they are not repenting of Purposefully, but anyway, let's go back before you even answer that.

Would you are you aware of that? Controversy between Dr. Adams and John MacArthur for instance.

Absolutely and.

Come before him and ask for his friend in me and say I need to forgive them. Because I don't fruit within me against they need to be able to not hold that sin against them. And if it's repeated to recognize that the sin is not just against me But that's it is against God and God will hold that individual accountable.

I don't want to have that birth now.

The I'm pretty certain dr. Adams would agree with you completely about people being unaware of Sins that they've committed. In fact Jesus on the cross that's one of the very things he said father forgive them for they know not what they do.

But.

The obviously If someone has sinned against you and they don't even know it then you have not fulfilled your obligation From Matthew and other places in the scripture to approach them and let them be aware of how they've offended you.

But One of the things that has me a bit Confused about that issue if we were to take your Position on it and dr. MacArthur's position on it Are we not to hold a sin against a brother or a person? That does not repent of it because it may bring about danger into not only our own life But the lives of our loved ones for instance.

You're not going to say well that person is a child molester. That person has molested my children before but I forgive that person and therefore I'm going to let him babysit or welcome him into my home and Not even bring up the issue.

Obviously, that would be horrific. That would be horrible. That would be Sinful of me to be lacking in my protection of my own children and family if you could.

That's true. You know, I've got to be very careful with that that there are constantly acknowledgment. If you didn't you mentioned a child molest and anger towards anything and move ahead that God will use this somehow in their life.

Just with Jesus Christ, you know I'm saying.

Yes, but obviously just to make it clear though you would you would carry through with consequences severe ones. For an individual who has done something like that because first of all, you're not even dealing with just your own Body mind or heart being hurt.

You're talking about someone else namely Innocent helpless children in that scenario anyway and so therefore your actions don't only involve just you they involve your children the victims and.

So.

Obviously, I'm assuming that you would be very Wanted to make it clear that you would. In a case like that when when the lives and health and well-being and safety of others are involved severe consequences often have to be followed through with even though the person has even if on occasion if the person has Repented and asked him for forgiveness in certain circumstances, but surely when they have not Repented.

Am I am I right? We're going to our first break right now. If you'd like to join us on the air. Remember our new email address is Chris Arnzen at comcast .net chris ar n z n at c o m as in Michael.

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Forgiveness, Repentance, and the Limits of Reconciliation

Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen of iron sharpens iron. If you just tune this in our guest for the full two hours today is Terry Berlin game and we are talking about his book When God's will and my will Disconnect and if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnzen at comcast net our new email address Chris Arnzen at comcast com as in Michael cast Net and please give us your first name city and state and country of residence if you live outside the USA.

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The conference center where the conference is going to be held Dr. White is going to be debating Roman Catholic apologist Trent Horn from Catholic answers on the theme Can a Christian lose his or her salvation?

That's going to be on January 18th. And for more details go to g3 conference calm. G3 conference calm. Or you could go to the Alpha and Omega ministries website a o m. I n .org a o m. I n .org. Before I go to one of my listeners in Ada hide up Ada, Ohio.

I have a question of my own for Terry Berlingame before we move off of the subject of.

Forgiveness I.

Have wondered about this issue for a long time perhaps even more so after reading. Dr. Adams book Terry and one of the things that seems and perhaps you could clear this up one of the seams that one of the things that seems to be Contradictory in involving giving wholesale forgiveness even to those who do not ask for it or Demonstrate any kind of repentance. It seems to be inconsistent with the way Jesus Christ himself forgives because if he forgave that way Hell will be empty for all eternity.

And if you could comment on that. Hello, Terry. Yes. Yes. Did you did you hear my question? I'm sorry. Yep. If oh, I'm sorry I was I was I was pressing a mute button that I shouldn't have been pressing if you could continue Terry.

I'm sorry.

Okay, I believe it. I don't see that Jacob ever did but they never can from the very beginning that God has been at work and he is there and work this story and for their good and Joseph had no need to hold that against them because he saw God's hand working.

I Believe that when we forgiving them, I really free myself. Yeah, I guess that would explain why people go to hell because there is no relationship.

Between.

There is no parental relationship. Or relationship as sons and daughters to God if there is no repentance. So I'm assuming that's one of the reasons why? Unrepentant people will be in hell because otherwise as I said, the hell will just be completely empty.

Yeah, absolutely. They have never acknowledged ever acknowledged. There should be for a holy god.

And by the way, I would hate to get a nasty letter from dr. J. Yeah, I'm saying that I'm misrepresenting him in any way. I want to make it clear that he does not believe Christians have any liberty to hold grudges Against People who have sinned against them.

We're not. He believes firmly that we have to love our enemies do good for our enemies and Things such as that that the scriptures command, but he just categorizes the actual term Forgiveness in a different way than many if not, most Evangelicals do today.

So I want to make that clear that he is not saying that it is completely acceptable for Christians to hold on to bitterness and hatred Against those that have sinned against them. He would say that that is wicked behavior.

So.

We do have Dave in Ada, Ohio, and I'm not sure if it's Ada or Ada. Maybe somebody can correct me once and for all because Dave never has corrected me either way. Dave's asks my question is can my will really be done in matters of salvation?

I know his will is Always done and he is sovereign. Isn't his will always done in all things. Even if we can't see it for war even think so and I think this calls on your part Terry for a a definition of of God's will because there are different aspects of it.

Are there not? Yeah, I am kind of getting that that gist from Dave and of course he can send another email to clarify himself and I think there may be a blurring of the distinction between.

God's.

Prescriptive will and his decreed will in other words everything that comes to place if you are theologically reformed like we are. We believe that everything that occurs even the most horrible atrocities that have occurred are according to the sovereign decree of God, but his prescriptive will Says that murder is a damnable wicked sin and adultery and in fornication and all these things are Against his will in that sense.

Praise God.

Thank You Dave and Ada Idaho. I'm sorry, David in Ada, Ohio. It's not as easy said as you may think. Ada, Ohio, Ada, Ohio people gonna think. I'm speaking in tongues anything. We have Sterling pastor sterling vanderwerker in Greensboro, North Carolina, and he says Chris.

Thanks again for a good show. This question of universal Oh Unilateral forgiveness is a long-studied problem of mine. I like you disagree with Dr. MacArthur. I.

And.

Agree more with Jay Adams. The problem really rests on where we get our definition of forgiveness. The doctrine of sin begs the work of forgiveness for sin. If God defined forgiveness as unilateral forgiveness and we live in his creation Then this is the progress of forgiveness.

One God's decreed sin atonement and forgiveness before the beginning of time To God created time and we were created and born into time. Three we sinned in Adam and personally. For we are informed by sin by the Word of God and convicted by truth by the work of the Holy Spirit.

Five repentance is called for by God and six forgiveness and atonement are parts that logically follow the recognition of sin the desire to repent the actual repentance and The enjoying of repentance.

Do you or the author know of a format? I'm sorry. Do you or the author know of a formal work on this subject? I don't know if that was too much for your mind to absorb over the phone and everything there Terry.

But if I could repeat anything, just let me know.

I'm saying because I've not been willing to forget before the eyes of God.

Yes, and I think that I think that I'm pretty certain. Dr. J Adams would agree with a lot of what you said. Because as I was saying earlier, I know that he would not believe that we should let the sins of others against us control us.

And.

And I think that one example in some degree that fits that is Jonah. He didn't even want to evangelize Those wicked folks over in Nineveh, right? I mean.

Yeah, obviously that whole story is a perfect example of how sin has consequences and.

Very often extremely serious ones. The man was swallowed by a giant fish. So he didn't he didn't get off scot-free without chastisement When he was in the midst of his unrepentance. Yes, I could. I can even say how thankful I am that I underwent church discipline.

Years ago when I had sadly returned to the sin of habitual drunkenness I had allowed the trials of life get the better of me and chose to Anesthetize myself through alcohol and if I had not been under the loving discipline of people who cared Enough about my not only my physical life, but my eternal soul.

I might very well have Died. I might not even be here talking to you right now. So that's another just a tangible way that I personally Have benefited from there being chastisement in the midst of my sin and and then I believe that that.

Obviously you do as well that the scriptures teach that God chastises those whom he loves.

And.

We have to go to. I thank you for that by the way and we have to go to our next break right now if You would like to join us on the air. With a question of your of your own for a Terry Burlingame our email address.

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I.

Choose to serve others. So think about that one brothers and sisters and ladies and gentlemen, and we'll be right back After these messages. God willing. So don't go away. Chris Arnzen here, and I can't wait to head down to Atlanta, Georgia, and here's my friend.

Dr. James White to tell you why.

Hi, I'm James White of Alphan Omega ministries. I hope you join me at the g3 conference hosted by Pastor Josh Bice and Praise Mill Baptist Church at the Georgia International Convention Center in Atlanta January 19th through the 21st in celebration of the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation.

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