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September 9, 2022

It’s the end of the world as we know and I’m just fine

00:04: You can say what you want, but you won't around me. Black sheep among misfits.
00:39: A misfit in the trailer park at night. A misprint with the sixth sense. Been sick ever since my brother died of an
00:47: OD. My two cents never made sense. Either to me or anyone else inside of the sheep fence.
00:53: My 9th Smith on my right side. Why you staring at your cop dog? Signing my
00:59: John Hancock on the dotted line. Tell me what's the bottom line. The bottom line is
01:04: I'm not right. I'm not left, but this elephant won't fight. There's nothing left but the spotlight.
01:10: Hold my beer. You can find me in the moonlight. You can say what you want, but you won't around me.
01:19: You can say what you want. You can say what you want. I'm within the deep end, and I can't find my assigned seat to sit in.
01:30: My theology don't fit in. Black sheep of the Reformation sheep pen. To the
01:36: Reformed, I'm just another Baptist baptized again. The bastard child of Anabaptist.
01:42: Host to child of Reformation society. We don't need your education. Give me a
01:49: Bible and a brochure of dead men. Cigars, bourbons, and beer cans. Bow ties, tattoos, and bearded men.
01:56: Making Reformation great again. You can say what you want. You can say what you want, but you won't around me.
02:05: You can say what you want. You can say what you want, but you won't around me.
02:12: No, you won't around me. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Open Air Theology.
02:22: My name is Jeff. I am one of the pastors of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church here in Tallahoma, Tennessee.
02:29: And I'm here with my good buddies, Brayden and Haps. Brayden, introduce yourself. Yeah, I'm Pastor Brayden from Valley Baptist Church.
02:36: It's a blessing to be here. I also have a YouTube channel called Reformed Ex -Mormon. Love for you to go check it out.
02:42: Super thankful to be around some godly Orthodox men, such as Jeff and Haps, on this awesome podcast,
02:49: Open Air Theology. Get the word out, and I'll pass the mic over to Haps. What's up?
02:54: Well, I'm Pastor Happy of All Branch Ministries, and I'm also the host of R &B
03:01: Studios. And I'm just so glad that I could be here with you guys tonight so that we can glorify
03:06: God together. All right. So now, I heard that we have an announcement.
03:14: Is that true? Is something going on that people need to know about?
03:22: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Something's going on, right? I believe it's going on in Tallahoma, Tennessee.
03:29: I know somebody lives there. Man. I mean, yeah. So for those of you that don't know,
03:35: February the 17th through the 19th,
03:41: Open Air Theology is going to be hosting at the church that I pastor,
03:47: Covenant Reformed Baptist Church, a conference on Ephesians chapter 4, verses 1 through 6.
03:56: We're going to be dealing with one body, one spirit, one hope, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one
04:05: God. And we'll also probably be doing an introduction to the book of Ephesians and more of an exposition of chapter 1 also concerning the covenant of redemption.
04:22: So if you come, you're going to really get a good understanding of the book of Ephesians being broken down by the one spirit.
04:32: I mean, one body, one spirit, one hope, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one God. You gentlemen got anything you want to say about it?
04:42: Oh, it's going to be punk rock. It's going to be so good. Yeah. Yeah.
04:47: If you agree, you have to be there. I'm just letting everybody know. If you're not Reformed or Baptist, I don't know what you're doing in February next year.
04:57: Yeah. I mean, if you don't come, you might get your Baptist card pulled. That's a fact. You might have to be re -baptized.
05:07: Sprinkle or dip? It's going to be good. Oh, we're dipping. I'm going to hold you under until you bubble. Your hands will be like chicken.
05:18: Yep. So, we plan on doing some other stuff at this time. So, there's going to be some nights, at least two nights, to where we'll have an after party where we'll be hanging out, having fun, going to hang out at a cigar shop.
05:35: And there's a restaurant in the area that I'm fixing to be contacting about renting out their bar area.
05:42: So, they have a little bar area to where they have a stage.
05:49: And the goal is that we'll hang out in there, eat, and have psalm reading, psalm singing, and hymn singing.
05:58: And just hang out and have some fun. So, do we have a list of speakers yet?
06:07: Well, we do have. So, another gentleman is working on a graphic.
06:16: And this graphic will have a picture of most of the speakers. We're still working on getting some answers back from a couple.
06:26: You know who I'd like to get is that one guy. What's his name? The Reformed Ex -Mormon.
06:34: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You better. You better work on him. I like that guy, too.
06:41: He's pretty solid. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, Braden. If you do come, we probably should go out into the
06:48: Mormon area over here and do some open -air preaching. Oh, that's going to happen. Oh, man.
06:53: Oh, we got to do it. We got to do it. I just hope you guys have your bullhorns with you. Well, I got a speaker that stands on a six -foot pole.
07:03: Oh, dude. Yep, we're doing it. You know what? You know what? I don't need a mic or I don't need a mic at all, but the
07:10: Lord blessed me with pipes. Nice. So, I can speak it out. Yeah.
07:16: It's going to be fun. It's going to be fun. So, again, let's just go ahead and reiterate. So, February, again, before we close tonight.
07:26: So, February 17th through the 19th, Open -Air Theology at Covenant Reformed Baptist Church will be hosting its first conference dealing with Ephesians chapter 4, 1 through 6.
07:42: And Covenant Reformed Baptist Church is in Tallahoma, Tennessee. I'm telling you what, like, if you come here and hang out, listen, it's not going to be my fault if you want to uproot your family and come move to Tallahoma.
07:55: It's gorgeous out there. It is absolutely wonderful. So, we hope that people that listen regularly will make plans to come out here and hang out with us.
08:06: It should be a good time. But other than that, so what's our topic tonight, Brayden? The last.
08:14: Brayden's going to be put through the ringer again is what it is. The last half of 24.
08:21: The world is ending as we know it. And we're sitting at the end of the world. Yeah, it's the end of the world as we know it.
08:28: And we're just fine. And I feel fine. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I've been seeing some crazy charts out there lately.
08:34: Oh, man. Oh, God. Man, I've seen some stuff just since Queen Elizabeth has died.
08:41: Oh, dude. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, people are like, yeah, this is it. This is the sign.
08:47: It's on the right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is it. It's written in the stars, you know.
08:52: It's written in the stars. All right. So, the format that we'll do tonight.
08:59: Hold on. I'm getting a text by the guy that works on our graphic. Brandon Scalp is going to be one of our speakers.
09:05: So, if you know and love Brandon, which you should, you need to come on out here. Oh, yeah.
09:14: Brayden, he wants to know, just to be clear, you want him to use that picture of you holding the gun? I'm down with that.
09:21: I still need a, if that's okay with you guys. I'm fine. Oh, man. I'm okay with that, too. I'm okay with that, too.
09:28: I don't got, look, everything I say and everything I do, I have no issue with being held accountable to those things.
09:34: Yeah, please do. I haven't gotten the updated headshot recently. All right.
09:40: So, he's working on the graphic now, I guess. Oh, Brandon's doing it?
09:46: Yeah, Brandon's doing the graphic. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's good at graphics, man. Is he? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's really good.
09:53: Yeah. All right. So, the format for tonight. So, we know we've been on Matthew 24 for a while.
10:01: And there's nights where we, you know, one verse was, you know, even a half a verse is as far as we could get.
10:07: And so, we plan on reading through the rest of it.
10:12: So, it's from verse 36 to the end of the chapter. And all three of us are going to walk through this.
10:19: We're going to take about 10, 15 minutes apiece, and we're going to walk through this and give our position. And then we'll look at Matthew 25 as a whole.
10:28: Not that we'll read every verse of Matthew 25, but just to kind of give our thoughts on what we see when it comes to Matthew 25.
10:38: And so, I'm going to let Haps go first.
10:43: Oh, man. Because I feel like you and I are going to have similar views in a way.
10:51: So, I'm going to let you go first, and then I'm going to let Brayden go, and then I'll take last. And then, and it's not to say that I get the last words, because after I get done saying something, y 'all can push and pull on me.
11:05: So, we're going through 36? Yeah, so 36 to the end of the chapter.
11:14: Well, you know, I also want us to remember before we approach this that we consider everything that came first.
11:22: You know, that as we went through the seven woes in chapter 23, and how this is the same language, this judgment language that was also used in Isaiah 2.
11:36: You have the woes there before the judgment of Jerusalem was about to come. You have all this judgment language leading up to this right here.
11:47: And I believe that, and I'm just going to, you mind if I just read, go through it? Yeah, yeah, walk through it however you want to.
11:58: Yeah, so I just see this, this Jesus. So, you know, I'm coming from a post -mill perspective and more of a preterist view.
12:08: I believe all this has already happened. And I mean, and I think the key of it is going to be that we're going to find that in the first sentence of actually chapter 25.
12:20: But anyway, so let me just read it. It says in Matthew 24, it's entitled to my
12:27: ESV right here, that no one knows that day and hour. But concerning that day and hour, no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the
12:38: Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the
12:45: Son of Man. Now, that right there says a lot for me when it actually comes to different views of eschatology, you know, the study and things.
12:59: And right there, that really stood out to me right there, because a lot of people believe that, you know, all of this is describing the rapture is going to come.
13:13: And then immediately after the rapture will be the seven years of tribulation. And I was always just really looking at that one part.
13:23: And I was like, well, if the rapture comes and we have the seven year of tribulation, and it says right here that no man knows when the
13:33: Son will come. You'd actually be able to calculate until the time of Christ's return.
13:40: You know, from the time of the rapture to the seven years and the coming of the
13:45: Lord at the resurrection, you know, the second coming. But let me continue. 38, for in those days before the flood, they were eating and drinking and marrying and giving in marriage until the day when
13:59: Noah entered the ark. And they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away.
14:07: So will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two will be in the field.
14:13: One will be taken and one will be left. And, you know, I go back to the story of Noah and I'm just, you know, off the top of my head and everything.
14:23: And I'm like, well, you know, this is where this gets a little confusing for me.
14:30: Is this future or is this past or is this both, you know, or is this, is this, this is where I really tend to lean a little more towards Ahmel.
14:42: Because it almost seems like recapitulation of the same story going all the way into 25.
14:50: I'm dead serious. It does though, you know, it does. It does, you know, and I think this is where it gets confusing for me, you know, but, you know, let me continue.
15:04: Pick a side. You know what I'm saying? Pick a side. You know what? You are in the same boat. You're in the same boat.
15:10: Come on over to this camp. Come on over. You know,
15:16: I definitely know it's not a dispensationalism, but, you know, I feel that either either side right here, it gets a little confusing.
15:26: And I don't want to, um, uh, Isaac into the text. What, what, uh, what, what my,
15:32: I don't want to read through the filter of what everybody else is telling me, but anyways, let's go on. Then two men will be in the field and one will be taken and one left.
15:42: The two women will be grinding at the mill. One will be taken and one will be left.
15:47: Therefore, stay awake for you do not know what day your
15:52: Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake.
16:05: It would not have left his house be broken into. Therefore, you also must be ready for the son of man is coming in an hour.
16:13: You do not expect for me who then is the faithful and wise servant whom has mean whom his master has set over his household to give them their food at the proper time.
16:28: Blessed is the servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes.
16:35: Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions.
16:42: But if the wicked servant says to himself, my master is delayed and begins to be his fellow servants in eats and drinks with drunkards.
16:50: The master of the servant will come on a day when he does not expect him.
16:57: And at an hour he does not know and will cut him in pieces and and and put him with the hypocrites in that place.
17:07: The weeping and gnashing the teeth. I honestly got to say I can go either way on this, you know, but I think that the key for me right here is in the very next verse in Chapter 25.
17:20: You know, I don't let the chapter breaks, you know, break me off from the thought. But he says, then the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom.
17:32: Five were foolish and five were wise. Well, I'm just going to leave it right there for me.
17:38: What that is saying right there is I believe that Christ came in judgment. And I believe that that when
17:44: I look at like Revelation 14, 12 for those that keep the commandments of God. And those that keep the testimony of Jesus Christ, this is the perseverance of the saints right here.
17:54: All right. So I believe that the 10 virgins is talking about is talking about the faithful of the old covenant and then of the new covenant right there.
18:03: That's that's how I read it. You know, that would be a preterist view of that.
18:09: Correct? Yes. Yes. And so when I look back and I'm just looking up the pattern right here, that's that's where I get stuck.
18:19: I believe that that Christ came back and I believe that the wicked were taken away.
18:24: And I believe that the Christians were weren't touched at all because that's history.
18:31: That's that's that's actually a fact. And so when I look at the same judgment language that happened in Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, the same exact judgment language that was used on on Jerusalem was not used on the whole world.
18:49: It was a local event. All right. With a local judgment. And so I believe that right right here, because later on in 25 in 2531, it talks about when the son of man comes.
19:05: You know, it talks about what happens when he comes into all his glory with all his angels.
19:11: And and, you know, he's going to separate the goats from the sheep, you know, so that sounds a lot different than than that.
19:21: That's, I believe, an end time judgment right there. And it has nothing to do with the judgment that was going on prior to that.
19:27: It was coming on Jerusalem. So that that's my view on that. Mic drop.
19:32: So let me
19:39: I just have a quick question. Matthew 25 verse 31 to 46. You're saying it's future final day of judgment, right?
19:46: Yes. Gotcha. And the text prior to that, you would say, is most likely preterist.
19:52: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I believe that. Okay. Now. Now. Now. Could my views on that change?
19:59: Of course it can. Because again, that's where I'm stuck in the middle at right there, because I do.
20:06: I can't lie about this, guys. You know, I do see that in Scripture from cover to cover.
20:12: You see that also in the language. You see recapitulation, the telling of the same story over and over and over again with the final oomph right there.
20:22: And that goes all the way into revelation. So I can see that from an all male perspective.
20:27: Hi, honey. And I can see this totally from now.
20:33: Again, a partial preterist, not a full preterist view. That was cool. So my turn.
20:42: Yeah, go ahead. Let's get a smile. All male. Okay. I don't know what you're going to say.
20:50: Yeah. That's right. I was just going to... The partial preterist views
20:55: I already gave you a hug last week, Haps. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It already happened. It already happened.
21:02: It already happened. Go ahead.
21:08: We'll talk more about it when we get to Matthew 25. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So for my turn.
21:18: So what Haps already said, the perspective that I come at this with is an all male mind.
21:24: And I am influenced to read this in a redemptive historical idealist way, or a modified idealist is another term that it would be used for.
21:35: And I do see recapitulations happening all over this text, all the way from starting from chapter 21, which
21:41: Jeff and Haps and I have already went into in my reasoning that I think that Jesus is continuing that language and he's focusing in on certain aspects and expanding on some aspects.
21:53: And I think that a really clear example of that in the Old Testament would be the book of Daniel. You have the chapter two that is kind of the wide view, and then you go into different chapters and it narrows in, in different areas of that stuff.
22:05: But it's retelling the same story. So when I come here to Matthew chapter 24, and I, I, I see verse 36 and I just to kind of repeat what
22:16: I said many, many weeks ago, but our last podcast that we were on this subject, I do see that this language here in verse 36 is that of marriage language.
22:25: And we see three figures or three years of the story that are mentioned in there. And that's the father, the son, and these angels are servants that are used there in verse 36.
22:37: And the, the, the, the reality in my mind, how I see this is that according to chapter 22 verse, let's see here.
22:50: Oh, I can't remember where it is right now. Essentially that, that you see that it's the father that's dictating all those things.
22:56: And that parable of the marriage feast of the inviting of the guests that we see there in chapter 22. And so the, the honorable thing for Jesus to say that the second coming is relating to is that no one knows, not even
23:09: I nor the angels, but the father alone, and he excludes the Holy spirit in that as well, because it's an honorable statement to say that the father has this right to dictate the marriage feast.
23:19: And this is how I would read it. And so I see verse 36 is not a denial of Jesus knowing these things, but rather a statement of honor in that regard, a statement of lifting up the father and his right to Brutus in the second coming.
23:32: As far as going on from there, the difference that I see here that takes place from verse 36, especially in the verses prior to it is that there seems to be a very much of a known that is talked about there in verses three to 35, essentially that you see these things coming, you leave the city, you see this it's what
23:53: Daniel spoke about. You see this, it's happening and it's a very no ability event. Whereas what
23:59: I see here in verses 36 and on is that it switches from that. I mean, even in verse 42, therefore be on alert for, you do not know which day your
24:08: Lord is coming. Verse 36 itself. No one knows the hour. And I think one other reason
24:15: I would put this as second coming is that when I see that here, now it's mentioning the flood of Noah, right?
24:23: I don't see that again, and I'm not, I wouldn't accuse a partial preterist person of saying this, but that was a, that was a worldwide event in that text.
24:33: And who was the ones that were left after the flood? Noah and the rest that were on arc, those were the ones that were left.
24:40: And when I look at 70 AD and so that, that right there, I think that completely destroys any dispensational view of this because they would say that it's the wicked that are left in that view.
24:51: I'm saying, no, it's the righteous that are left. It's the righteous that inherit the, the glorified state.
24:57: And so when I see this with Noah being mentioned here, again, if you look at 70
25:02: AD, the saints left Jerusalem and they weren't the ones that were left. And so I, what
25:08: I see in this is that it's in my opinion, how I read this is that this is saying that the ones that will be left are the ones that are, are the justified and are the sheep that we'll talk about in chapter 25.
25:21: Also some other reasoning for why I would say this text is future for us or as maybe not even future, but maybe interadvental period as well as future in that recapitulatory sense without going into each one of the verses here.
25:34: But mostly I would say that this is future for us in verses 36 and on. Verse 51, it says in shall cut him in pieces and assigned him in a place where the hypocrites weeping shall, weeping shall be there and gnashing of the teeth.
25:47: The nearest time that that was used is in chapter 22, I believe. A chapter 22, which again is,
25:56: I think leading what this whole conversation recap, recapitulations that we're seeing in 24 and 25, but in chapter 22 verse 13 and this in my opinion is, is second coming language because this is when the, the dinner invites have gone out and the guests have been gathered for the, when the father dictated that the wedding would take place.
26:15: And so the wedding has dictated what has taken place and not only that the father also gets to dictate the wedding apparel.
26:22: Again, it's the honorable position of the father, inner Trinitarian language in that. But verse 13 and chapter 22, it says in the
26:29: King said to the servants bind him hand and foot and cast him into outer darkness in the place there will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth.
26:37: And so I see chapter 22 is that is final judgment that is being spoken of there and there. And so being consistent when
26:42: I come back to 24 with that final verse saying that the, this hour and this day that no one knows it's like a thief in the night, the son of man isn't coming when you think he will.
26:52: And it's going to consist of those that have committed evil being cast into a place where there's a weeping gnashing of the teeth.
26:59: So again, recapitulation and then when you go into 25 then the kingdom of heaven will be compared.
27:05: This, I wouldn't put that then is saying it's after that it's a restarting of the telling of the story.
27:10: Right? And so in first Corinthians chapter 15 verses 20 through 28 it says that Christ being the first fruits of the resurrection, then comes the end when the son will deliver up the kingdom.
27:22: It doesn't say he'll establish the kingdom, but once death has been conquered, he'll deliver up the kingdom to the father.
27:28: Yeah. And so right here when it says in verse one, then the kingdom of heaven will be compared to the 10 virgins. That's, that's a current reality in my opinion that right now there's
27:36: Christians and non -Christians there's, and even within that there's some that proclaim to be
27:42: Christians. And I would say that that's, that's very clearly those that are not ready for the masters coming in this text.
27:48: And so we again use marriage language that, that has spoken up here in chapter 25 nearest marriage language that was used in my opinion is verse 36 from the chapter prior and also from chapter 22 as far as marriage language goes.
28:01: And we see that the door is closed. And once the door is closed, there's no second chance for, for salvation or entrance into there.
28:08: And so again, I think that that, that right there, I think destroys any dispensational premill or even premillennial view of the text because a premillennial view in those thousand years, people are coming to salvation and faith in Jesus Christ.
28:22: According to this, I see that the Jesus comes, the bridegroom comes door is shut. If you're not, if you're not covered in the blood, if you don't have the right apparel, you don't have oil in your lamps.
28:34: You are not gaining entrance to this wedding. And you are going to be thrown into a place of weeping and gnashing of the teeth.
28:41: Again, I think first is 14 and on. It's just that recapitulation language. And the reason I would say that again, as in verse 30, you see it again and cast the worthless slave into the outer darkness in the place there shall be weeping and gnashing of the teeth.
28:53: So it's obvious that these, these have to be recapitulatory because God isn't doing okay.
28:59: This is a, this is one judgment and we're going to take these people and put them into this outer darkness place. And then here's another one.
29:05: I, in my opinion, how I see this, this is re retellings of the story with the finality being judgment.
29:11: And then in verses 31 through 36, I think that this is some of the most clear texts that we have as far as judgment goes.
29:19: And again, it finalized itself with throughout this story in verses 31 through three, 46, it finalizes itself with saying that the sheep will be given inherit a kingdom that was prepared for them before the world ever was.
29:35: So again, these, this, this is a place that's prepared for the sheep who didn't become sheep, right?
29:40: Calvinism is coming out here and here. They didn't become sheep. They are sheep. And there was a place predestined before the foundations of the world there in chapter 25 verses 31 to 34.
29:51: And then in finality in verse 36, and these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into an eternal life.
29:59: And so I think that this, this is, this is consistent language. Jesus is using in here as far as, um, going from unknown or to known to unknown in 24, uh, using recapitulation and also utilizing a lot of marriage language.
30:13: That's pointing us back to chapter 22 in, in, uh, especially in that final verse there. I think it's verse 13 that we read from in 22, uh, that says weeping and ashing of the teeth.
30:23: I think that that's the bookend. And so if I lined up bookend, bookend, bookend, and all these recapitulations,
30:28: I think that that's why I come away with saying that I think versus 36 to 51, this future 25 to 26 and chapters is future as well, or current slash future, uh, idealist, historic, redemptive, idealist perspective, questions, thoughts.
30:48: Well, well, I hope that was concise enough.
30:54: I hope I wasn't jumping over too much, but no, no, you're saying that, that Matthew 24, 36 through, uh, 51 would be a future judgment.
31:06: And, and you're saying that in 25 at the final judgment, that it's speaking of the same thing.
31:13: Just recapitulation. Yep. Yep. Essentially. Yes. Oh boy. Yeah. Also, also,
31:22: I mean, you know, I gave you pushback on verse 36 last time, because you mentioned that it was, it was speaking about marriage, but the context when it says, but concerning that day, the nearest and the seated to that day is heaven and earth will pass.
31:38: Yeah. Passing of heaven and earth. And one area I didn't really get into as well as that in verse 31 of 25, it says that when the son comes with his angels,
31:47: I think that that nearest Santa seat again goes back to verse 36. And then those three characters, the nearest
31:53: Santa seat to that is chapter 22. And so I think that when I think that the focus of the text shouldn't be focused on that day, but rather the characters that we can look at other surrounding texts that those three characters have dealing with, but that's not a messy 24.
32:09: 24. Near, near, near to 24, though, chapter 22. That's near.
32:17: Yeah, I hear you. Also you talked about Noah, the days of Noah, that it being a worldwide event.
32:26: And, and so, and because Matthew 24, so if you take this as being a, a, a, well, well, this portion has taken place in 70
32:37: AD. You said, and that wasn't a worldwide event. That's where I would lead to it. Yeah. But what took place there is a worldwide event.
32:45: It's the, the new covenant was, it was the only covenant left. Yeah. Yeah.
32:51: Yeah. And so the new covenant is a worldwide event that it is. Yeah. The removing of the old covenant and the new covenant, and then the removing of that covenant people like, like smashing its idols, which would have been the temple and the sacrificial system.
33:08: I can, I can also see, I mean, I mean, just, you know, again, I can,
33:14: I can see that, that, that language right there. I can see that not only from the partial preterist view, but this, the, this whole retelling of the, of the, of the same story.
33:27: I need, I need help over here. I don't, I don't have to. Well, so, and I, I want to, you know, you're right where I'm at.
33:35: One question I have on that though is why is it that the ones that are left, because in my, in my understanding, and I might be wrong.
33:43: I haven't given my view yet. You can't know. Oh, all right. Fair enough. Fair enough. You're the one on the stand, right?
33:49: I know I am. Well, keep on, keep on hammering me then.
33:54: What other questions? Why else did I get that wrong? Well, I mean, again, I think my, my three things was, you know,
34:01: I wanted to see if you're saying that the final judgment in Matthew 25 is that it's a recapitulation of, from verse 36 on the
34:10: Matthew 24. And the fact that the verse 36, the nearest antecedent.
34:17: It it's speaking of heaven and earth, not it's not marriage language.
34:22: I mean, I mean what you're given as an antecedent is nowhere in the text that we're in the context of what we're looking at.
34:29: And then verse in the days of Noah, you claimed it was worldwide, but the transitioning of the covenant and the ending of that covenant people with its idols, been smashed temple and the sacrificial system was a worldwide event.
34:45: It's something that we still talk about today. Yeah. You know, just to kind of, you know, all right, but I'll get mine.
34:53: I want to hear it. I want to hear it. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm wanting to ask questions already, Jeff. I know you do.
35:00: Watch. He just goes full pre -mill on us. Dude. We're like, what, what, what just happened? I changed everything.
35:06: They opened up a Chick -fil -A in Israel. I'm sold. God's chicken is in Israel.
35:16: I hear you. All right. So, so Matthew 24, it's basically coming off of the heels of chapter 20, 21, 22 and 23,
35:25: Jesus being in the temple, Jesus pronouncing the, the, the seven woes on the Pharisees and, you know, like,
35:32: And they're coming out of the temple after Jesus tells them that your house speaking to the
35:38: Pharisees, your house, which is the temple is going to be left to you. Desolate. And then, you know,
35:44: Jesus walk around. They're pointing at the, his disciples point pointing at the buildings and stuff. And Jesus telling him that all these things will be torn down.
35:51: And his disciples asked three, three questions kind of summed up in one.
35:57: But it's kind of like, if you ask me now, you know, I think it's actually, it's three questions, but the last question kind of plays into the first two.
36:07: So when will these things be speaking of the persecution and the falling of the temple and what will be the sign of your coming?
36:15: And the last question is end of the end of the age. So I believe that the end of the age is going to kind of mix in with both because the persecution that's coming, it's going to be at the time of the end of the age.
36:29: And what will be the sign of your coming will be at the end of the age.
36:35: So the end of the age kind of works into the first two questions. And so we see in verse three where he's,
36:44: I'll just read. He says, and he sat on the Mount of Olives and his disciples came and said to him privately saying, tell us when will these things be and what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age.
36:54: So right here, the end of the age. And if you look at verse six and it says, and you will hear of wars and rumors of war, see to it that you are not alarmed for these things must take place.
37:07: But the end is not yet. So I would say that the nearest end is seeded to this.
37:13: And that is not yet is the end of the age. And also when you look at verse 13, but he who endures to the end will be saved.
37:22: Speaking of the end of the age talking about, and it goes right in to 14 where he talks about, and this gospel of the kingdom must be proclaimed throughout the whole world.
37:34: So the Greek word here for world is, and it just means the inhabited earth, the known world, which
37:40: Rome had taken over. And it says, as a testimony to all nations, and again, you go back and you see, we walk through this showing that this has already taken place.
37:56: And it says, then the end will come. So what end is he talking about?
38:02: I think it has to be the same end that 13 is talking about the same end that six is talking about, which is the end that we see in verse three, the end of the age.
38:12: And then he gets into the language of, of, of, of, of, of coming the coming of Jesus.
38:20: And so this will be the sign of your coming. And, and so, so, so I, I believe that this sign of the coming is what's, it's, it, it's the, it, it's what brings about the end of the age.
38:36: So I don't believe that Matthew 24, nowhere speaks about the actual second coming of Jesus.
38:43: I just think it's speaking about Jesus coming in and judgment, because again, if you look up here, his disciples says, when will these things be?
38:54: And what will be the sign of your coming? The Jesus is in their presence. His he, he is physically bodily in, in the presence of his disciples.
39:04: And they're asking for his presence. So the Greek word here is Parasea. And so I believe this is talking about him coming in a glory to take his seat on the throne.
39:18: So they're, they're asking him, not, when are you going to die, be buried, rise again, go to heaven and come back.
39:25: They're asking him, when are you going to establish your kingdom? And so, but they don't understand that this establishment of the kingdom was already taken place, that the ruler of this world was being judged and that through the death, burial and resurrection,
39:42: Satan is bound, right? To give an all male familiarity.
39:50: and so, and so Jesus is coming like at his resurrection.
39:56: He goes, I mean, like right here where it talks about him coming on the clouds, like, like this can be pointed to Daniel chapter seven, but it also where, where has the son of man coming on the clouds, but it also, we need to understand that only
40:12: God rides on clouds. And so this is another part that points to his deity.
40:20: And so, and as you're walking through this, it talks about his coming on light, on light.
40:28: So whenever, whenever it points to him coming as deity, I mean,
40:33: I mean not coming as deity, but him being deity, but only God rode on the clouds.
40:39: And when you read the old Testament, when, when God came on the clouds, it was to judge, it was to punish.
40:46: And so whenever it talks about Jesus coming on the cloud, I believe it's, it's just talking about him coming to judge, to punish, and it would be this people
40:56: Israel. And so now I'll just kind of go post mill.
41:06: No, we'll go to 36 and I'm going to give my interpretation real quick.
41:11: It says, but concerning that day. So right here where it says, but concerning that day, I was, when I was pushing on my brother,
41:19: Braden here, the antecedent is this. It says, truly, I say to you, Jesus speaking to his disciples.
41:25: That, I mean, you go back to the beginning of 24. He's speaking to his disciples. Truly I say to you, the disciples, this generation, the
41:34: Greek word, Ginnia, that, that is the near demonstrative, will not pass away until all these things take place.
41:43: Heaven and earth. This would be Jerusalem will pass away, but my words will not, but, but my words will not pass away, but concerning that day.
41:55: So what is that day when heaven and earth pass away?
42:00: It says, uh, that day and our, no one knows, not even the angels nor the son of man, but the father only now to show that this, this is something that when
42:15: Jesus said that no one knows what the father only noticed that Jesus didn't give a date.
42:20: He says, this generation, this generation will not pass away.
42:26: He did not say mid September of year 70, uh, around the eighth or the ninth, the temple is going to fall.
42:36: No, he just says this generation. So he would have been about 40 years out. He did not give a day and he did not get of an hour.
42:44: All he gave. He said, this generation, a generation is 40 years.
42:51: And it says, uh, for as were the days of Noah. So it'll be the coming of the son of man. Again, I think this is speaking of him coming in judgment, riding on the cloud about to destroy
43:02: Israel for, as it were in the days of Noah. So it will be the coming of the son of man for in those days before, uh, the flood, they were eating, drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until that, until the day when
43:15: Noah entered the art and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away.
43:22: So will be the coming of the son of man. Two will be in the field. Won't be taken. Won't be left.
43:27: Two women will be grinding at the mill. Won't be taken. And the other one left. Now this right here, I, I take it as, uh, just like in the days of Noah, the wicked were taken.
43:38: And the righteous were left. All right. That's what this is speaking about.
43:46: Also concerning what took place from 66 to 70 AD, the wicked were removed.
43:52: Speaking of the Jewish people who did not receive Jesus as their, as Messiah, they were taken.
43:59: And those that receive Jesus as Messiah were left. Of course, the part that was persecution.
44:06: So we're not talking about the Jews or the Romans persecuting and killing the Christians, but we're talking about, uh, this when
44:14: Jesus came in judgment, um, the wicked were taken.
44:19: Speaking of the Jews that, that, that were antichrist and those that were in Christ were left.
44:26: Therefore, I say to you, I mean, I mean, excuse me, therefore stay awake for you.
44:31: The disciples do not know when that day, when the day of the Lord is coming and it says, but, um, yeah.
44:42: And verse 47 is something else I wanted to point out to Braden and I'll get there in just a second. But, but know this, that if the master of the house had known at what time or part of the night, the thief was coming.
44:56: So, so this is why he did not give them a day in an hour. He would have stayed awake and would have not left his, let his house be broken into.
45:05: Therefore, you speaking to his disciples again, like Braden says something about that.
45:11: He stopped making it personal. He stopped saying like was talking to his disciples.
45:17: It says, therefore, you also must be ready for the son of man is coming in an hour that you do not expect who then is the faithful and wise servant.
45:27: And so, and so right here, we're talking about servants and stuff like this. I'm, I think this is covenantal.
45:33: Uh, the faithful servant is the servant of the new covenant. The unfaithful servant is the servant of the old covenant whom the master sets his house over.
45:43: Uh, Hebrews chapter three tells us that about the house of God, that Moses was took part in building this house, but Jesus finished the house.
45:56: Uh, just kind of, um, I don't have time to go there and read it to explain it, but the, but the household is, it's just talking about the, the, the, the church of Jesus Christ.
46:09: I mean, the church of God, right? Uh, Israel and the church are not two entities.
46:16: Um, but it's two covenants of the household.
46:21: The, uh, to give them food at a proper time, and blesses the servant whom the master finds doing, uh, so doing when he comes truly,
46:31: I say to you still speaking to his disciples, he will set him over all his possessions.
46:37: Now it's going to be speaking to the wicked, the, the antichrist, the, those in the new covenant.
46:43: But if that wicked servant says, my master is delayed and begins to beat his fellow servants and eat and drink with drunkards.
46:51: And we know that's what they did. It's, it's the, the whore that rides the beast. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him to expect him.
47:03: And at an hour, he does not know. And he will cut him to pieces and put him with the hypocrites and, and that place where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, a judgment took place.
47:16: And at that time, and then it goes, then the kingdom of heaven. So, uh, now
47:22: I thought we was going to discuss this all. I guess we can some, but so my view of from verse one to 13 is that it's speaking about the church present time.
47:38: So from, from then, uh, when the kingdom of heaven was established all the way until the second coming of Christ.
47:48: So this is how it's going to be. There's going to be, uh, uh, true virgins and there's going to be false virgins.
47:57: The true versions are going to have oils in their lamps and the false virgins, those who may have made a profession, those who have, uh, were baptized, but they, they, they truly went and saved.
48:11: So, so this will be like the, the wheat and the tears type of a thing. Like, I think it's just a reiterating the, uh, our recapitulation talking about the wheat and the tears, but, but from verses one through 13,
48:26: I believe it's now, I believe it was then, I believe it's going to be future until the second coming of Christ.
48:32: And it's just talking about the false converts and true converts. Now from four verse 14 to 30,
48:39: I think this is, uh, just like, uh, one and two is speaking about the church, but it's speaking about the church corporate.
48:47: I would say verses 14 through 30 is speaking about individuals in the church.
48:53: So this is more individual, singular. And then, um, verse 31 to the end of the chapter,
49:01: I see that being the final coming when Jesus comes the second time to judge the living and the dead.
49:07: Um, and so I don't see any second coming language up until verse 31 of chapter 25.
49:19: I did that as fast as I could. Sorry. You did it with a
49:24: Tennessee twang. Got that twang in questions.
49:40: Hit me with your best shot. So, yeah, one of, one of the thoughts that I had was that I wasn't saying that, that it changed from impersonal to personal or personal to impersonal in here.
49:53: I, I think that what I thought, that's what I heard. No. Yeah. What I meant by that, and maybe that, that might've been what
49:59: I did say, but what I was, what I, what I was saying was, um, was the known versus the unknown.
50:04: And so I, I see Christ very clearly saying, you see this, you do this, you see that, do this, you see the camp coming, you then leave.
50:13: Right. And then he's very deliberate about talking about that day and that hour. Whereas I think in this later text, you don't have that.
50:20: You see, you don't know. Yeah. But then, but why? So why, why would, and I, this is some other areas that, because in my opinion on the, on the, on the versus, um,
50:33: Hey, hold on one second. Yeah. He just sent me the, uh, uh,
50:42: I'm going to send it to y 'all's phone real quick. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. Oh yeah. Send it, send it. And we'll talk about it after we get done with this.
50:50: Okay, cool. Hey, you know what, can I say something while, while you're sending all that stuff out? Oh, that's just one.
50:56: Okay. Oh, it's not letting me see him. What? You got to save it to your phone first.
51:02: I already did. You know, I just want to let people out there know that this is how you have a healthy discussion about, uh, differences in eschatology and we should never ever divide over different views on eschatology.
51:19: I mean, that's just, it's good to know these things. So we know how we can fellowship with one another and not, and not, um, uh, divide because, you know, even as some of we've got friends out there that are dispensational,
51:33: Amen. You know, or historic pre -mill, you know, that we got crazy, uh, uh, family members, you know, we got crazy cousins, you know, but, uh, we still love one another.
51:48: And that's how the world knows us for the love we have for one another. All right. Hit me with your questions. No. Yeah.
51:54: So one of the questions, and I, amen to that haps a hundred percent. So, um, so the, the verse in 40 and 41, um, with being left in 70
52:06: AD, when the, when the saints left the city, they, they didn't, they weren't still milling at their own or grinding at the same mill.
52:13: They weren't, they didn't have possession over those things that they were taken from. They were, they were departing from those things.
52:20: Whereas I think in, in the second coming, we, we have inheritance in that thing that we are in a glorified state and we are still able to participate in those inheritance items that we were doing before Christ.
52:36: So I'm not understanding the question. Yeah. So, so if, if verse 41, 40 and 41 is speaking about 70
52:44: AD. Oh, let me get there again. Okay. I'm sorry. Nope. You're good. So yeah, verse 40 and 41 is speaking about 70
52:52: AD. And are you, we, are you saying that the ones that were taken are the
52:59: Christians are the ones that the ones that were taken are the wicked. Yeah. So, so on that, why, where are the, where are the
53:07: Christians left in that text? So, because I see them staying in the same field, staying at the same mill, whereas I see in 70
53:13: AD, that didn't happen. That those Christians were, they, they, they left and yes, judgment came upon the people that were in the city, but they didn't, they came back and had everything that they had in that way.
53:26: Yeah. Yeah. Good question. Good, good question. So, so I'm going to use my all meal card.
53:32: Yeah. I don't believe this is speaking about a literal field. Okay. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. That's totally fine.
53:39: Yeah. You just, Jeff, you spiritualize way too much stuff. Okay. I'm not okay with this. Oh, that's good.
53:48: I mean, I mean, I don't know for it. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I don't, I just think it's given a, because he's using the illustration and he's finishing it, the illustration.
53:58: So, so, so this is a part of the illustration that's given and the illustration would be the time of Noah.
54:07: Yeah. Yeah. So another, another question. Well, yeah, yeah.
54:14: I got, I got some more questions. So verse 30. So in particular, verse 36, the question I asked last time,
54:20: I'm still having a hard time with is if verse 36 is in reference to that day and hour, that is 70
54:26: AD. Why is it that the angels, the sun and no one. And I mean, when no one,
54:32: I mean, no one, but the father alone knows. So that would, that would, in my mind, that would also include the
54:37: Holy spirit. That would include. But, but that question can be reiterated.
54:42: Well, that question can be turned back to you if you're saying it's the second coming. Yeah. And I think I have an answer for that.
54:48: What, well, I mean, I think I have an answer for this too. I mean, why does Jesus not know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
54:54: So, well, Jesus gives a general, he says, I mean, when you look at it, verse 34, truly,
55:03: I say to you, this generation, Jesus did not tell them a day or an hour. He gave them a generation.
55:09: And as he's going through, he explains why he did not tell them a day, an hour, because he didn't know.
55:19: I mean, I don't know what to, what else to say about it. I mean, I mean, I don't want to say, well, this is why he didn't know.
55:26: Right. I mean, I mean, we understand that, that, that he grew in knowledge and statute. We understand that Jesus wasn't walking around glorified.
55:35: I mean, when John says that, you know, he says that we've seen his glory and like in John chapter one, this has to be speaking about Matthew chapter 17 on the mountain of transfiguration.
55:47: Jesus wasn't walking around with his glory on display. Right. I mean, if he was what no one had rejected him.
55:56: And so we, we, we, we, we understand that there's things about Jesus before Jesus says,
56:04: I mean, the second person of the Trinity, as, as in the incarnation before the resurrection, that there were some things about him that wasn't shown fully.
56:18: But at the same time, we have to understand that even as a baby, he was holding all things together.
56:25: That's like one. Yeah. I think as a baby, I think, I think even as a baby, he knows all things, including 70
56:31: AD though. That's well, then what do you do with this?
56:38: Like I said, I think it's, it's a statement of honor rather than a statement of lacking of knowledge. I think it's, it's the same thing that does that, that Jesus is omnipotent in, in the way that he, he is equal to the father, but he's saying a statement of honor because part of the, the 10 commandments that Christ had to fulfill was honoring his father.
56:57: Right. And so, so the angels actually knew the angels don't know.
57:02: No, but he puts himself with the angels at this point. Essentially. I want to even have an issue with even saying that it's possible that the angels know the, the, the heavenly decree in that sense, but they were never, they would never say in front of the father.
57:17: I know we're in there and behind the father in that sense, because that, that it, in my opinion, this is using that marriage, traditional marriage language, that the father got to dictate these things.
57:26: And it was disrespectful and dishonorable to say, I know that day, or I know that hour.
57:32: But, but let me tell you where my mind's going. So when I'm debating, when I'm debating, when
57:39: I'm debating with one is Pentecostals.
57:45: And I, and I point to Matthew seven, where Jesus says, not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven.
57:51: But he, who does the wheel of my father, different person who is in heaven, different place.
57:59: And I said, so we see Jesus on earth speaking about his father who is in heaven. And I'll say, now was
58:05: Jesus lying or telling the truth? So when I, when
58:10: I, when I get here and Jesus says that the angels didn't know, nor did he not know. And so it's just like, what was
58:16: Jesus lying? Or is he telling the truth? I believe. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
58:22: No, go ahead. I'll let you finish what you were saying there. I didn't interrupt. I just don't see any interruption to where we can say that, that, that Jesus actually knew whenever he's, he, he, he saying that he did not know.
58:34: Yeah. Well, in my, I don't know how to put everything together. No, I know that. In my thinking of this is that the
58:41: Jews, the Jewish disciples that were before Jesus, they, they've already heard the parable of the marriage feast.
58:47: They, they're going to hear this parable of the 10 virgins. And so, so Christ is absolutely interweaving marriage language in there.
58:55: And so they would, they would pick up on this, that Jesus isn't saying that he doesn't know this, that, but the intended audience, that being the disciples, absolutely would have known that this is a statement of, of marriage rather than that.
59:07: And that's just how, that's how I, I did have another, I have another question though in verse 37.
59:14: Yeah. Yeah. I, because I feel like we'd go back and forth on that one a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I asked an answer. We'll just drop it.
59:19: Yeah. Yeah. Please. Yeah. Well, what was it? What, what, what would you respond though? With that, with verse 36 though, because I, I really think that Christ does know these things, but he's just, well,
59:28: I mean, like I said, I, I, I, I think I did respond that, you know, concerning that day is, is a heaven and earth and to show, you know, like when he says he doesn't know, but like it's really pointing out in verse 34, why he said this generation, he said this generation, he did not give a, a, a, a day and an hour.
59:49: He did not say a September 8th or September 9th, or September 10th, or September 12th of your 70.
59:55: Yeah. You know, which that's when it was around that time when it took place, he just said this generation, which would have been 40, around 40 years.
01:00:05: I generate a biblical generation was 40 years, 40 years after he spoke these words. Yeah. It took place.
01:00:10: Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I'm sorry.
01:00:16: I'm not asking all the questions. No, no, no, no, no. It's all right. My wife just brought home some hamburger and Brandon scalps has sent the picture to me.
01:00:24: It looks awesome. Nice. You want me to send it to you, Braden? Yeah, please. I'll send it to you right now. It would not let me send it.
01:00:31: Brandon, if you're listening, it would not let me send that picture to these guys. What the heck. Forward.
01:00:44: Yeah. It's just saying, sorry, this photo format isn't supported in messenger yet, but man,
01:00:56: I absolutely love it. What do you think about it? I think it's dope, man. All right. Go ahead.
01:01:01: I just got it from brother. You got it. Very nice. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
01:01:07: Oh, man. That's beautiful. That's awesome. We really appreciate you,
01:01:16: Brandon. I know I've been riding Scott last couple of days, so that's awesome. Yeah.
01:01:21: Thank you, Brandon. That's wonderful. We'll be blasting this out probably tomorrow for the rest of the time.
01:01:29: What was your other question? Sorry about that. Yeah. So one of the, one of the questions is so like with verse 37 and on and how heavily it's leaning to, well, verse 37 to 41 ish, it's heavily leaning on the days of Noah, which is the illustration that is given.
01:01:50: Absolutely. I see, I see that I'm trying to think about how to word this in, in, because this, this kind of leads me into thinking that this is talking about the second coming.
01:02:02: And the reason that I lean that way is because the, the, the event in Noah is typologically pointing us to Jesus and his first coming.
01:02:12: Right. That, that you are that he's the arc. He suffers the wrath of the rain in that sense, the judgment of God against the people inside.
01:02:19: Right. That you're in Christ. He suffers for you and you are saved through him.
01:02:25: Right. But you don't have to take it to the second coming to fulfill that, that outlet, because right now
01:02:32: I'm in Christ. Right. I mean, and you are, you have the wrath of God satisfied already.
01:02:38: I agree with that, but I don't see how that could be applied to a 70 AD physical event with it being typological to Jesus and his first coming saving us from the wrath of God.
01:02:50: I don't see how that could then, you know what I'm saying? I don't. Yeah. I mean, I think you have to look at it in a covenantal framework too, because I mean, we understand that the death of the testator,
01:03:02: Jesus dying, you know, his blood being spilled was, you know, like the, the covenant had already, the new covenant, the kingdom of God had already been, had already begun, but the covenant wasn't established, inaugurated, let's say inaugurated until his blood being spilled.
01:03:23: And so for a 40 year period, you have two covenants on earth that overlapped the, the old covenant and the new covenant, which
01:03:34: I would say the new covenant is the covenant of grace, the covenant of the law and the covenant of grace.
01:03:40: And we have to understand that even in the, the covenant of the law, that it was grace there, but this is a greater grace, grace upon grace.
01:03:51: John chapter one says grace over grace. You can also translate it. And, and so, and so there seems to be an overlap, you know, like the two covenants were on the earth at the same time.
01:04:06: Whenever the temple is destroyed and the sacrificial system is destroyed, there's only one covenant left.
01:04:15: And so that's what I think is, is, is, is actually on display here.
01:04:20: Okay. And that covenant, when the old covenant is fully gone, because the, the, you know, the temple is destroyed.
01:04:30: Everything is destroyed. Only the physical earthly kingdom of God is destroyed.
01:04:37: The only thing that's left is the heavenly kingdom of God, which is the church, which is spiritual, which you have to agree with that all male.
01:04:48: Oh yeah. Yeah. Amen to that. I, that last portion, amen to, I, I definitely agree with, right.
01:04:54: The heavenly temple, the earth was the, the, the earthly was the, the copy of the heavenly, right?
01:05:01: Like that's what book of Hebrews teaches. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I got,
01:05:06: I got some other questions, but perhaps you've got, I haven't, I've been asking them all half. What questions you got? You got any questions?
01:05:12: You know what? You guys hear me? Yeah. Okay. So, um, no,
01:05:20: I, I don't have any questions. I like to, to listen and, and, uh, to both sides. And, and I, I gotta say that, um,
01:05:28: I could see both sides, you know, uh, uh, I mean, I, I still hold to a partial preterist, you know,
01:05:35: I, I, I will 100 % believe that, that all these things, I mean, that's what scripture says.
01:05:41: All, all these things, that this generation will not pass away until all these things happen. I mean, that's, that, that, that's what he said, you know, and I, I gotta,
01:05:51: I gotta take him at his word, you know, and, and, uh, remember, we always let chapter breaks come in and really just throw us off and everything like this.
01:06:01: This is one continuous thought right here. All right. That this is, it's not like he's, he's pausing and he's going on and on, but then again, you know, uh, uh, it, you, do you get that vibe of that vibe of recapitulation?
01:06:17: You know, you know, just, it, it seems like that, but I would say the only recapitulation would be the, the language of, of judgment.
01:06:26: So the recapitulation, in my opinion, it's not the event, the events, not recapitulation, but it's that language of judgment.
01:06:35: Uh, yes, the hyperbolic language. And, and, I really, you know,
01:06:41: I, what I, I really, uh, but really stands out to me is when he says that he's, he's coming in judgment and you look all throughout the scripture.
01:06:48: He's coming on the clouds. He's coming on the clouds. Acts one, he, he ascended into heaven on the clouds of heaven.
01:06:55: Uh, Daniel chapter seven, he came up into the ancient of days on the cloud of heaven. And then, uh, but when he says he, he, he's coming again and everything you go and you look in revelation in chapter two.
01:07:07: And what is he saying to the, to the, um, to the churches, you know, repent or I'm going to come and take your, your lamp away.
01:07:18: All right. So are those churches still around? No. And that's not second coming language.
01:07:26: Yeah. It's not second coming. It's just judgment language right there. But Hey guys, I got to go.
01:07:31: Cause I got my dinner here and I'm starving right now. And I got a cheeseburger written all over me right now.
01:07:40: I cannot stand you. It's a 10, 11 where I'm at and I'm absolutely starving.
01:07:48: Yeah. Oh man. All right. Hats man. It was good to have you back on the podcast, man.
01:07:55: I love you brothers, man. I love you too, man. God bless guys.
01:08:01: See ya. God bless. See ya. And fight was to finish him.
01:08:12: I do have one more question though for you on the, and I, and you might've said it in what you were saying and I might've just misheard or whatnot, but in verse 51 of 24, with all the time.
01:08:24: Yeah. So yeah, with the weeping and the gnashing and all the times that it uses that in the last four chapters, including chapter 25, are those all speaking about the same judgment or is that just speaking of judgment generically?
01:08:41: Well, I believe that those who were judged physically were also judged spiritually.
01:08:50: Now, I don't believe that this was, is a lake of fire versus because a lot, okay, let's say second death because I'm sure you believe the same way that I do concern in hell that there's, you know, whatever it is that the wicked go to when they die.
01:09:10: Now at the final judgment, they will be delivered over to go to somewhere much worse.
01:09:18: Yeah. That'd be, we can't open that can of worms up right now, Jeff. Yeah. That'd be a long conversation on that stuff.
01:09:23: Yeah. Yeah. And so I would say that those who were judged physically were also judged spiritually, but they, but what you see in chapter 25, 31, this would be that resurrecting another, that, that final judgment, the second death.
01:09:42: Which one would you say that was? Whenever you get into the final judgment of what, so versus 31 to 46 and 25, is that what?
01:09:52: Yeah. Well, okay. 25, 31 through, yeah, 46.
01:09:57: So, so, so I would see that as being a first Corinthians 15.
01:10:03: Yeah. Jesus coming after he's put all enemies under his feet.
01:10:09: The last enemy would be death. When Jesus comes again, there will be no more death. That's the last enemy.
01:10:15: No one will die. And everyone will be, the dead will rise.
01:10:21: Some will be clothed in the man of heaven, which are the elect, the elect, the Christians.
01:10:26: And then some will be clothed in the man of dust. Those that are in Adam, those that are
01:10:32: Adam would be the goats here in our chapter. And those that are the sheep are those who are clothed in the man of heaven.
01:10:40: And that is second coming. That is second coming. Amen to that. I agree with that. So, so the verses of one to two, 30, 30.
01:10:51: Yeah. One to 30 in chapter 25. Would you agree with haps? That that's partial preterist text even in there?
01:10:57: No, no, no, no, no. Okay. Yeah. I made it clear. I thought I did that. No, you, I thought you didn't.
01:11:02: And then I just heard something. Yeah. Verses one through 13. I would say it's speaking about the church at then, now and future.
01:11:12: Okay. Yeah. So, so I would say this is all of church age and, and those, the, the, the virgins with, with oil and their lamps are true believers.
01:11:24: And the, the virgins with no oil are false converts. So I, I have that same to you.
01:11:31: So you and haps would differ on that area. Yes. I was wanting to challenge haps on what he said, but he had to get off.
01:11:36: Yeah. And so then. And also verse 14. So verse 14 to 30,
01:11:42: I would say that this is individual. So as, as one through 13 is more corporate dealing with the church versus 14 through 30 is more individual.
01:11:55: So this is speaking to you individually and, and to me individually and every one of us individually, man,
01:12:02: I got something that keeps flying up in my face. So that, that wouldn't be necessarily second coming language.
01:12:09: No, no, no. So, so, so that I believe is the same thing. The church age, then, now and future.
01:12:17: Okay. So you're being, you're being, that's where I was going. You're being consistent with verse 30 with the outer darkness and weeping and gnashing of the teeth.
01:12:24: You're being consistent with that in verse 51 of 24, weeping gnashing of the teeth. And then, yeah, with the, with the tying back to then 22 verse 13, would you, would that weeping in the gnashing of the teeth?
01:12:39: Is that second chapter 22? Yeah. Chapter 22, verse 13. Would that, then that's that marriage piece where the gentleman is not covered in the wedding garment.
01:12:52: Now, are you asking, is this concerning the second coming? Is that what is that? Yeah. Is that, is that verse 13 with weeping and gnashing of the teeth?
01:12:59: Is that concerning second coming or is that concerning this current age that we're in individually or corporately?
01:13:06: Well, I kind of been torn on this to tell you the truth. Okay. So, so part of me wants to say, this is a predator.
01:13:15: I have a preterist view, but I don't know for sure. Like, I want to give you a preterist interpretation, but I don't know for sure if I hold to it.
01:13:26: Okay. Yeah. So I like, this is just one of those passages, portions of scripture that I'm just not 100 % sure.
01:13:36: For sure. Like, like I find myself going two or three different ways to be honest with you.
01:13:43: I'm more familiar with the preterist interpretation though. And, and so I, again, even though we're pastors, we fight through this.
01:13:55: You don't got the answer on this right now? And I probably won't ever have a hundred percent answer on it to be honest with you.
01:14:03: Because I mean, I mean, I mean, because I've been in several different areas.
01:14:09: Like if, like if you had to pin me to a wall, I'd probably say this is preterist. This has already happened.
01:14:17: But, but that's if you want to answer now. Yeah. I wouldn't say that I had a hundred percent.
01:14:24: I believe it though. So. Okay. Well, and I won't push you on that text, especially if that, if that, like that's no fault or anything.
01:14:31: Like I have those kinds of texts too that I'm like, I don't know. Don't ask me right now. Yeah. Yeah. Let me think.
01:14:38: Yeah. Let me pray about it. Yeah. Hey, get back to you in a month. No. Yeah, dude.
01:14:44: I, yeah, that, yeah, that was, that was my final question for you. It was just with the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth and, and, and in each time it's used kind of a, because I mean it.
01:14:57: Yeah. Like it's like that saying is used a couple. Yeah. I don't know.
01:15:02: So someone, Samantha is asking what would be a preterist view on it? And yeah, and yeah, it's just a, so the word predator
01:15:08: Pretor is Latin for past. And so I would see that the marriage feast is, has already taken place, but that it's more speaking about the covenant, the transition of the covenant, the new covenant, those.
01:15:25: Okay. So like when someone is born again, they enter into the kingdom of God, the kingdom of heaven, the spiritual kingdom of God, they have entered into the new covenant.
01:15:37: We are the bride of Christ, right? And so this is that marriage feast.
01:15:45: It's, it's the celebration of the new covenant. And if, and, and, and only those who have been born again, right?
01:15:54: Who have entered the kingdom of God, entered the covenant by faith alone in Jesus Christ are in this new covenant marriage feast.
01:16:05: If so, someone who, who's a part of the, who, like, I would say that this is speaking in a way that actually can't happen.
01:16:14: Like you, you're not going to be in the new covenant and not in the new covenant, right?
01:16:22: You're either in the new covenant or you're not in the new covenant. And so he's given a language, like if you were to push me on, he, he's given a language that, that even if someone was able to be like to sneak in, they're not born again.
01:16:36: They will be removed. Where did, where did, where did that get asked?
01:16:44: I can't even see it. It's on my, my Facebook feed. Oh, okay.
01:16:49: Copy that. Yeah, no, I was just seeing that we had some other comments that were on the, yeah, the, the, the
01:16:58: YouTube one, I believe is where it is. Yeah. And there's a lot to discuss with that.
01:17:04: Yeah. So I, but this guy on the YouTube, I really don't know where to begin with him. Like, I think
01:17:10: I've invited him on before. And if I'm not mistaken, please forgive me if I'm mistaken.
01:17:17: He wanted to come on, but not show his face. And I just, I don't, I don't.
01:17:23: Yeah. I don't know what to do with that. Yeah, no, for sure. I get that. Yeah. That, that, that, that would be my consistent answer though, is
01:17:29: I think that the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth, and I, I see what you're saying with like the, the new covenant that we're in right now is essentially the wedding pieces.
01:17:38: What was, what you are getting at? I think that the, I just don't see any, any second coming language.
01:17:44: There's no second coming language for Matthew 21. Or for Matthew period until you get the verse until you get to chapter 25.
01:17:54: I disagree. Hey, I love it. I know you disagree. I love it. I mean, you're wrong.
01:18:00: But, but, but, but again, I want to say this. Okay. So me and Brayden disagree.
01:18:09: Yeah. But if Brayden was speaking with someone like defending this position to someone else.
01:18:18: And even though I don't agree with Brayden, I would take his side and defend his position with him because his position is orthodox.
01:18:28: And I know even though Brayden don't agree with me, if I was, you know, if, if I was battling someone else,
01:18:35: Brayden would take my side and battle my position with this other person, because it's orthodox.
01:18:43: Amen to that. Right. And because me and Brayden, even though we disagree and we, you know, we pick on each other, we love each other.
01:18:52: Like this is my brother and I know he feels the same about me. And so, you know, just cause you might jump on here and see me and him bickering back and forth.
01:19:04: Yeah. But we're doing this cause this is fun. Yeah. Slightly. No, I'm just kidding.
01:19:09: There's lots of fun. I love it. I really do love it. It's good. The disagreement, because I mean, not my texts can,
01:19:16: I, my eyes can read the text a hundred times and I'm right every single time when I read the text. Right. And so that you're a different perspective.
01:19:23: And I mean, even the 1689 line about his confession of faith on the Holy scripture paragraph three,
01:19:29: I believe it is without opening it up, but it says in there that there's only one true interpretation of any given text. Right.
01:19:35: And so that Jeff and I both agree to that. We both say that there's only one true interpretation. I think mine's true.
01:19:42: Jeff thinks is true. Right. And so at the end of the day, these are our secondary areas and we have fellowship in Christ alone, not in how we read
01:19:51: Matthew chapter 24. And, and I would defend Jeff on a dying hill over that.
01:19:58: Yeah. But you would be a lot cooler if you did agree with me. Fair enough.
01:20:04: Yeah. I've been, I've been, I've been asked to be a lot cooler a lot of times in my life. All right. I love it.
01:20:13: I really do, but I gotta get off too. Yeah. Well, before we shut down, let's let's go ahead and, and, and remind people again.
01:20:23: So if you're on right now, don't, don't get off. Yeah. At the very beginning, we talked about something that's about to take place
01:20:30: February the 17th through the 19th open air theology. We'll be having its first conference, its first conference hosted by covenant reform,
01:20:44: Baptist church in Tallahoma, Tennessee. We're going to be posting a, a graphic and it has some of the speakers on it where there's still other speakers to be announced.
01:20:59: And it's going to be, it's going to be basically about the book of Ephesians, but we're really going to be focusing on chapter four, verses one through six, dealing with one body, one spirit, one hope, one
01:21:12: Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one God. We're hoping to use these seven points to teach the whole book of Ephesians.
01:21:25: And so set your calendars, be looking for more information, but be making plans to be a part of this.
01:21:36: Trust me, it's going to be great. We're going to have two after parties for Friday night. And I mean, for probably
01:21:43: Thursday night, Friday night or Friday night and Saturday night. I don't know for sure, but there's gonna be two after parties.
01:21:49: You're going to want to be a part of it. It's going to be great. There's going to be a great preaching, lots of fellowship.
01:21:55: We're going to be laughing, making fun of each other, and there might be a debate. So I'm just, just saying, just make plans
01:22:04: February the 14th. I mean, excuse me. I always want to say the 14th,
01:22:09: Valentine's Day, February the 17th through the 19th, February the 17th through the 19th,
01:22:16: Thursday, Friday, and Saturday at Covenant Reform Baptist Church in Tallahoma, Tennessee.
01:22:22: Be making plans to be a part of this. It's going to be wonderful. Yeah. Anything you like to say? The reformed ex
01:22:28: Mormon is going to be there. So I guess I'll be there. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll probably do some open air preaching.
01:22:35: It's going to be great. It's going to be awesome. If you can be there, Lord willing, you need to be there.
01:22:42: All right. All right. Well, anything you'd like to say before we get off here? Oh, nothing.
01:22:48: Brother, I love you. All meal hug from above. I love you too. All meal hug from above. That's right.
01:22:56: All right. As always, everybody, we do love you. Thank you for checking us out. Hallelujah.