December 14, 2018 Show with Rusty Reed on “Pastoring a Small Church in a Bi-Vocational Ministry (The Advantages, Disadvantages & Challenges)”

Live from the historic parsonage of 19th century gospel minister George Norcross in downtown Carlisle, Pennsylvania, it's Iron Sharpens Iron, a radio platform on which pastors, Christian scholars and theologians address the burning issues facing the church and the world today.

Proverbs 27 verse 17 tells us, iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. Matthew Henry said that in this passage, quote, we are cautioned to take heed whom we converse with and directed to have in view in conversation to make one another wiser and better.

It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next hour and we hope to hear from you, the listener, with your own.

Questions. Now here's our host Chris Arntzen. Good afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet earth who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com.

This is Chris Arntzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Friday on this 14th day of December 2018. Before I introduce my guest and our subject today, I just wanted to say that I learned last Wednesday night, this past Wednesday, from Jonathan Reisinger, a fellow member of Grace Baptist Church in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, that his uncle John G. Reisinger, a key figure in the resurgence of the doctrines of Sovereign Grace Amongst Baptists in the mid -20th century, is likely not going to be experiencing another Christmas here on earth and is expected to be joining his dearly departed wife and his brother Ernie Reisinger, founder of Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania, and another 20th century trailblazer for Sovereign Grace Amongst Baptists, who are awaiting John's entrance into eternity with them, where he will be welcomed with open arms by his Lord, God, Savior, King and Friend, Christ Jesus, who has been John's number one passion for many decades.

John Reisinger's teaching and preaching and fellowship at the annual Bunyan Conferences in Pennsylvania played a central role in the development of my own understanding of the Holy Scriptures during the formative days when I was cutting my teeth on the doctrines of Grace as a new Christian in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

My years attending the John Bunyan Conference every year, accompanied by my late wife Julie's pastor, the late Don Blind, who became a very precious friend to me, have forged memories for me that I will treasure and cherish forever.

I am so honored to have been given the privilege to interview John Reisinger several times on Iron Shepherd's Iron Radio and have received from him a beautifully written endorsement for this program. I would appreciate it if you would please pray for John Reisinger as he prepares to depart this earth after a very long, faithful, and fruitful life of service to his King and please pray for the Reisinger family as well because obviously they will be going through a period of grief and mourning after John does leave this earth, but obviously a period of mourning that will be mixed with joy because they will certainly know with great confidence where John is for eternity with Christ.

Well, now I'd like to introduce to you with my raspy voice due to a cold that suddenly sprang upon me last night, a return of a cold that I thought that I had completely gotten rid of. Today we have as our guest for the very first time on Iron Shepherd's Iron Radio Rusty Reed.

He is the pastor of Reformation Church in Baker, Louisiana, formerly called Friendship Baptist Church, which is a multi-ethnic congregation seeking to minister to the North Baton Rouge, Louisiana area, emphasizing expository preaching and a return to the Bible.

Rusty Reed is also a speaker at the upcoming Deep South Founders Conference, which you have heard being advertised on this program for the last couple of weeks, and today we are going to be addressing the theme, Pastoring a Small Church in a Bivocational Ministry, the Advantages, Disadvantages, and Challenges, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Shepherd's Iron Radio, Rusty Reed.

Rusty Reed’s Church, Conversion, and Call to Ministry

Thank you, Chris, good to be with you today. Well, why don't you tell our listeners something a little bit more about Reformation Church of.

Baker, Louisiana. Okay, and all the people who originally, and it had always been a small church in the early 90s, and by the time I came here Easter Sunday, 2000, it was very small indeed. As a matter of fact, when we came here, there were about nine people who voted me in, four that started out, and I've been here for 18 years.

This is my 18th year, and about 2004, came under the, that were in nature, and went to a friend of mine, was, reformed things to me, and Calvinism in college, and I made a commitment for someone to know exactly how I was going to do things, but I decided that I would just preach through the Bible, and I started in John, and I didn't tell my pastor friends, he began to share with me some things, and we began to reform in 2003, by the time 2000.

Praise God. Well, if anybody would like more details on Reformation Church, the church that we just mentioned there, you can, it's Reformation Church of Baker, Louisiana, you can go to Friendship Baptist I, I'm sorry, Friendship Baptist LA for Louisiana, Friendship Baptist LA, and that website is under construction, because obviously even the name has changed, so, but at least that's a starting point for you, Friendship Baptist LA, the former name of Reformation Church.

And what we normally do on Iron Trip and Zion Radio Rusty, when we have a very first time guest on the program, is we have them give a summary of their salvation testimony, so I would like you to let our listeners know what kind of religious atmosphere, if any, you were raised in, and what providential circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up.

In your life that drew you to himself and saved you. Yes, well, I was a young child. Yes, I'm still here. Okay, yeah, I was, I came to faith young, and the pastor, the notion, if I died apart from Christ, I would be lost, and that just became a burden on my life, and one Sunday, I did what I had seen so many people do at the end of the service.

I walked down the aisle. I actually got my brother, my older brother, to walk down with me, because I was scared to walk by myself, and when I got to the preacher, he said, what do you need? And I said, I need Jesus.

I need to, I need to, my family, I grew up in a Christian family. My mother and my father were both, and so my family, and so an older age, strayed, and felt that I knew a little bit more than my parents knew.

The grace of God, He preserved me in faith, and so I did, although I have to say that college, a major disillusioned music leader. I just didn't want the image of the dudes and a person who's kind of fake, and it began to grow in me.

Actually, it became an issue for me, and so I decided that I wasn't going to go and get a master's degree. I came home and eventually met my, and fell in love, and she was a, and just a church, and the path was that he kept on asking me things like that, and I, do you think it's possible?

And I said, yeah, I guess it is possible. We began to look for, and then this little called me up, and I did that. Praise God. Well, now let us know something.

The Deep South Founders Conference and Conrad Mbewe

About the Deep South Founders Conference, where you are going to be speaking. You're on the roster there, and I will, God willing, also be there manning an exhibitor's booth for Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, January 24th through the 26th at the Bethlehem Baptist Church of Laurel, Mississippi.

Tell us about this conference. Well, I became involved in the Founders. Oh yeah, I've had Fred.

On the program several times, and I think his book, his monumental book, The Baptism of Believers Alone, I believe is the title of it. Fred is a phenomenal guy. Yeah, yeah. He made an impression.

On me, sweet man, and I've always been the kind of guy who just, I don't know, maybe I have more nerves. I called him. I didn't know him from Adam, and he didn't know, certainly didn't know me, and so I called him up and told him who it was and told him that I wanted to start a fraternity.

I met with him and a few other folks and some others, and we did, and so that's kind of how it happened. I know Dr. Kerry Kimbrell. I grew up in the same area, so I've been going there for several years, and they nominate, and I found out that there's another past wonderful man in Monroe, Louisiana, and so there were two Rustys that were nominated for the board of the Deep South 18 in 2019, and Rusty later on told me that he voted for me.

Rusty chose me this time, and so anyway, if you're on the board, I'm sure that's Kimbrell, then, and you're a pastor, and officially, yeah, I'm gonna preach through the 1689 London Baptist Confession, and this year, and the keynote speaker.

Actually, I know his.

Name is pronounced M. Bayway, since I've known him since 1995.

I appreciate you correcting me, and I knew that I would say something wrong.

Well, even my friend who is one of your, I don't know how to put this, I guess one of your spiritual mentors, even though you don't know him personally, you know of his ministry and have been benefited by it, but even Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, you will hear him mispronounce Dr. M. Bayway's name in an ad during this program.

Okay, well, look, if James White...

And I know...

Anyway...

Go ahead, go ahead.

So he's going to be speaking, and I can't help but miss the humor here, the purging of Alpacra.

Well, I can't even... Some of my listeners might be tired of me repeating this all the time, but I cannot say enough about the phenomenal gifts of Conrad M. Bayway, his preaching gifts. I keep repeating it, and I'm not exaggerating it when I say it.

I think he is the most powerful preacher alive on the planet Earth, of course, in regard to whom I have heard preach. I've not heard everybody in the world preach, and I am not meaning that in any disrespect to many other men I love who I have benefited from, including pastors that I've had, but Conrad is just...

There's something very unique about him that I would urge anyone to get in a train, plane, or automobile and hear him preach whenever they hear that he is preaching anywhere within traveling distance, because it will be something that you will always remember.

No doubt about it. He's a powerful preacher, and of course, it doesn't hurt that he's got that wonderful accent.

From Kibwata Baptist Church, Lusaka, Zambia, Africa, and a chancellor of the African Christian University.

Right, right. So you'll have that one redneck. I have redneck, Caucasian, from Louisiana coming.

Why Small Churches Can Be a Blessing

Well, brother, this is an interesting theme. We have addressed this at least once before, but as far as pastoring a small church, and of course, you've expanded the theme, pastoring a small church, by vocational ministry, the advantages, disadvantages, and challenges.

But I don't think that you can be guilty of overkill, necessarily, by repeating this subject, because it is a very prominent issue, especially when churches are preaching the truth. When churches are taking a stand for truth, that very often means that you are taking a very unpopular stand in this day and age.

And when there are many churches all over the country in most communities to choose from, people will very often choose the bigger, more professionally appearing church in regard to the music ministry.

There are churches with music ministries that rival Broadway, theater, and so on. So, when a church is taking a stand for the truth in spite of the fact that it may cost the members or prevent them from numeric growth, I think that that is something that should be addressed on this program, especially since I know many Reformed churches that are very small churches.

Yeah. Like, for instance, people will refer to my congregation where I'm a member as a huge church, and I chuckle because I don't think that we have... We don't even have 250 people on a Sunday morning.

But for a Reformed Baptist church, that's pretty big.

Yeah, it is. It is. Absolutely right. And when we became a Reformed Baptist church in 2003, we understood that we would never... John McCullough...

And typically, and if you could respond to this before we get into more of the main content that you want to address, but there are some automatic reactions that many people have when they hear about a very small church.

They will very often draw the wrong conclusion that these people do not have a burden for evangelism. That's obviously why they're small. They're not passionate and concerned about seeing the lost get saved.

Otherwise, they would be bursting through the walls. And then you have the other extreme, where you have very small churches that may be that way because of the stereotype that I just mentioned. They may be guilty of fulfilling that stereotype.

Or they may be so cultic in their isolationist mentality and so rigid about things that should be secondary or tertiary issues on the ladder of importance of belief and practice. Or they might not want a lot of newcomers coming in because they don't want a conflict to arise that may challenge or change things that they believe are important.

I happen to know of one church that became a hyper-preterist church. And a pastor was invited in to take over the mantle from the pastor that was leaving. And even though the pastor that was leaving knew that his predecessor, or should I say his successor, was not a hyper-preterist, he at one time discipled this man and urged him to take his place there, even though he did not agree with him on the hyper-preterist issue.

And my friend somewhat hesitatingly and reluctantly took him up on the offer. He was being used of God to grow that church. And there were, I think, somewhere in the neighborhoods between 10 and 20 new families coming.

And they were all driven out because they were not hyper-preterists. So, I mean, you have all different reasons why a church is small, but I'm assuming that your church is not small because you are lackadaisical or uncaring about the law.

So just pick up where I left off there. Yeah, well, I think you're right. I think.

Certainly there are probably churches small, and they're probably, I'm sad to think about, I guess we've all heard the abnormed pastors who basically are not going to... On the other hand, obviously I grew up in the 80s, very much in the middle of the church growth movement, and even in Southern bound teaching, but also state in quality that your people have families, they have needs.

I think the key to that, the way that I've done things, minister mistakes and kind of things and appreciate about you is that everybody, you don't have to be a PhD theologian, and that's who I am. I am not James White or praise God, I can...

Amen. By the way, since you brought up ecclesiology, I can't help but to promote a future show that I'm having on the very subject of Baptist ecclesiology and polity on January 4th, God willing, we're going to have Dr. Michael Haken on the program to address that issue.

Oh, yeah. I'll be listening to that. We're going to our first station break. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question for our guest today, Rusty Reed. By the way, I wanted to let you know that my friend, Pastor John Sampson of King's Church in Peoria, Arizona, wants to know if you are a Rusty Reed that will not break.

Yeah, I hope so. I know this much, that even if I'm bruised...

Well, if you have any questions for Rusty Reed on pastoring a small church and bivocational ministry, the advantages, disadvantages, and challenges, please give us an email at chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com. As always, please give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence if you live outside the USA. Only remain anonymous if your question is personal and private.

Don't go away. We'll be right back.

Hello, my name is James Renahan, and I'm the president of IRBS Theological Seminary in Mansfield, Texas. The Word of God says, If a man desires the office of an overseer, he desires a good thing. Do you have the desire to serve Jesus Christ in pastoral ministry?

Twenty years ago, the Institute of Reformed Baptist Studies at Westminster Seminary, California, was born. For those two decades, these institutions worked together to train men for ministry in Reformed Baptist churches.

It has been a wonderful partnership. Now, we have advanced our school into an independent seminary offering a full program of courses leading to the Master of Divinity degree. This is IRBS Theological Seminary.

We believe that the scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the inspired and inerrant Word of God, that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh who came to save sinners by his life, death, and resurrection, and that the task of the church is to honor and serve the triune God in all things.

IRBS Theological Seminary is dedicated by God's grace to preparing godly ministers who will be committed to these doctrines. Do you sense a call to serve Jesus Christ and his church as a pastor? Why not consider IRBS Theological Seminary?

You'll find more information at irbsseminary .org. That's irbsseminary .org, two S's in the middle. I hope to hear from you soon. God bless you.

Hi, Phil Johnson here. I'm executive director of John MacArthur's media ministry, Grace to You, and I'm also an occasional guest on Iron Sharpen's Iron Radio. So, I'm delighted that my friend Chris Arnzen and I will be heading down to Atlanta for the G3 conference where I'll be joining James White, Steve Lawson, Vodie Baucom, Mark Dever, Conrad Mbewe, Todd Friel, Josh Bice, and a host of other speakers to address the topic of biblical understanding of missions.

Chris Arnzen and I hope to see you all at this very important conference from January 17th through the 19th. Make sure you stop by the Iron Sharpen's Iron exhibitors booth to say hi to Chris. For more details, go to g3conference .com.

That's g3conference .com. See you there.

I'm Dr. Gary Kimbrough, pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church in Laurel, Mississippi. God tells us in James 127 that pure and undefiled religion is a visit to fatherless and widows and their affliction. In the providence of God, three years ago, I discovered a poor, small church outside Lusaka, Zambia in a township called Kabanana who are taking care of 24 orphans.

I found them just at the time when they had lost all their funding. What was I to do? Could I just say, God bless you and walk away? The situation of the children set heavily upon me. As I was praying concerning this need, it came to me, I trust from the Lord, to tell the orphans' plight to a broader audience.

The entire need for their clothing, food, education, and some medical services is $73 per month per child. If just 50 of us would give $35 a month, we could meet the need. Bethlehem Baptist Church will pay the fee to get the funds there, so if you give a dollar, a dollar will get to the orphans.

In this season of hope and giving, will you consider giving hope to 24 orphans? Please send your gift of any amount to Bethlehem Baptist Church, 838 Reed Road, Laurel, Mississippi 39443, or donate through our website bbclaurel .com.

Again, the address is Bethlehem Baptist Church, 838 Reed Road, Laurel, Mississippi 39443, or bbclaurel .com. Thank you.

James White of Alpha Omega Ministries here. If you've watched my Dividing Line webcast often enough, you know I have a great love for getting Bibles and other documents vital to my ministry rebound to preserve and ensure their longevity.

And besides that, they feel so good. I'm so delighted I discovered Post Tenebrous Lux Bible rebinding. No radio ad will be long enough to sing their praises sufficiently, but I'll give it a shot. Jeffrey Rice of Post Tenebrous Lux is a remarkably gifted craftsman and artisan.

All his work is done by hand from the cutting to the pleating of corners to the perimeter stitching. Jeffrey uses the finest and buttery soft imported leathers in a wide variety of gorgeous colors like the turquoise goat skin tanned in Italy used for my 28th edition with a navy blue goat skin inside liner and the electric blue goat skin from a French tannery used to rebind a Reformation study Bible I used as a gift.

The silver gilding he added on the page edges has a stunning mirror finish resembling highly polished chrome. Jeffrey will customize your rebinding to your specifications and even emboss your logo into the leather, making whatever he rebinds a one-of-a-kind work of art.

For more details on Post Tenebrous Lux Bible rebinding, go to ptlbiblerebinding .com. That's ptlbiblerebinding .com. My name is Steve.

Lawson, founder and president of One Passion Ministries, as well as teaching fellow for Ligonier Ministries. I serve as professor of preaching and oversee the doctor of ministry program at the Master's Seminary in Los Angeles.

I would like to recommend the church where one of my preaching students, Andy Woodard, serves as the pastor. It's called New Covenant Church, NYC. They are a Reformed Baptist church that meets in Midtown Manhattan.

You can find their service times and location on their website, which is www .ncc .nyc. They believe in a sovereign God who commands all men everywhere to repent and believe the gospel. If you're looking for a church that believes in expository preaching, which is simply biblical preaching, in New York City, I'd like to recommend that you visit New Covenant Church, NYC.

Again, their information can be found at www .ncc .nyc.

Have a great day. Charles Haddon Spurgeon once said, Give yourself unto reading. The man who.

Never reads will never be read. He who never quotes will never be quoted. He will not use the thoughts of other men's brains proves he has no brains of his own. You need to read. Solid Ground.

Christian Books is a publisher and book distributor who takes these words of the Prince of Preachers to heart. The mission of Solid Ground Christian Books is to bring back treasures of the past to minister to Christians in the present and future, and to publish new titles that address burning issues in the church and the world.

Since its beginning in 2001, Solid Ground has been committed to publish God-centered, Christ-exalting books for all ages. We invite you to go treasure hunting at solid-ground-books .com. That's solid-ground-books .com, and see what priceless literary gems from the past to present you can unearth from Solid Ground.

Solid Ground Christian Books is honored to be a weekly sponsor of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. And please remember to help replenish.

That which was lost in regard to Solid Ground Christian Books and their finances. As most of you know who listen to this show, Mike Gadosh underwent very serious and dangerous open heart surgery very recently, and during his time laid up in the hospital and laid up being, or should I say laid up recovering from the surgery, which we all thank God was successful, they did experience a financial setback, a very serious financial setback.

So please help replenish that by doing as much if not all of your Christmas shopping at solid-ground-books .com, solid-ground-books .com. And also keep in mind that today is the very last day of the Christmas sale where cvbbs .com, Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, is offering a 10 off of everything in the store, including those things that are already discounted.

So I've got an idea for you. I've told you this before, but I hope you take advantage of it. Why not you go to Solid Ground Christian Books website, solid-ground-books .com, and order, or should I say, make a list of as many books as possible that you would like to order for the Christmas holidays for your own benefit, for other reasons, and take this long list and go to cvbbs .com and order them.

Because cvbbs .com is not a publisher, they are a book distributor, and they carry all of Solid Ground Christian Books' titles. So please consider that so you can kill two birds with one stone and bless both of my sponsors that are book-related at the same time.

The Advantages of a Tight-Knit Congregation

Now we are back with our discussion with Rusty Reed, who is the pastor of Reformation Church in Baker, Louisiana, which is in the northern area of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. And we are discussing pastoring a small church in a bivocational ministry, the advantages, disadvantages, and challenges.

If you'd like to join us on the air with a question, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com. And why don't we start with some of the advantages. People might not think that there are any advantages of being in a small church, but I think that there clearly are.

I have, throughout my Christian life, had friends who were pastors of very small churches, churches that are very small comparatively to other churches across the United States, and there was an obvious tighter-knit family of believers in those churches.

These were churches where everybody literally knew everybody, where they seemed to have a lot more fun at fellowship gatherings and enjoy their company. So, I mean, the family aspect of what a congregation should be is really strengthened when the church is smaller, isn't it?

Yes, isn't it, Al? And look, the fact of the matter is that America's churches were growing in number, but rather they were growing in number. They're smaller churches, and the same research stated that the majority of U .S. churches have fewer than 158 that had less than 100 people, and there was some more research that indicated that not a lot of people.

So the fact of the matter is there are a lot, and there are advantages to it. People know each other, the pastor knew their names, they knew everybody in the church. There are disadvantages for, say, a staff.

Sadly, they're left out of depth at taking small resources and doing the best that you can do with them. But I'm here to tell you that, I mean, you can do Reformation Church, who just committed their, I mean, to try to get people to read the impact that a while back we had.

Why don't we do a play? So we did. You had to play five parts in it, right? No, I was just the narrator, thankfully. It was a musical thing, so yeah, it was limited in what I could do. But we had a wonderful time doing that play, and I mean, it was way beyond what we, as a church, had left.

And it had a huge impact. Another thing we wanted to do, which we'd never done before, but you got the gospel message. Wow. Yeah, from maybe even 200 people.

I have a friend who is now in eternity with Christ. His name is Dr. Robert J. Cameron. He was an Orthodox Presbyterian minister. Actually, before that, he was a Presbyterian Church in America minister, and before that, he was a Reformed Episcopalian minister.

But he believed that the church should start really aggressively being involved in a church shrinkage movement. He was uncomfortable with churches that just allowed themselves to grow and grow and grow and grow without planting other churches.

He obviously did not want to shrink a church by unnecessarily driving people out or preventing people from coming in, but he believed that churches had more of a responsibility to plant. And one of the main reasons that he had this passion and view is that he believed that it is extremely more difficult for larger churches to adequately shepherd and disciple and discipline megachurches, very large churches.

And the smaller the church is, typically, the more adequately a shepherd or shepherds, plural, can discipline and disciple and shepherd those people. What would you have to say about that?

I agree, and I would add to that that we need to shield too often, you know, if you really can't do that. An elder can't do that if he doesn't know the people. I'll tell you who impacted the church, Mark Dever.

He switched at nine marks, and so I was able to go, but these guys were so individually, and maybe they had divided each one of them down. The thing about, as I said, you're limiting your resources, and I think that's where the body...

In fact, let's pick up on the bivocational aspect when we return from our midway break. We have to go to a midway break right now. I don't want to cut you off in mid-sentence when you're too deep into the subject.

This is our longer than normal break because Grace Life Radio and 90 .1 FM in Lake City, Florida requires of us a longer break in the middle because they have to localize Iron Shepherds Iron Radio to Lake City, Florida, and therefore they air their own commercials and public service announcements during this break.

So please use this time wisely and write down questions for our guest Rusty Reed on pastoring a small church, but also please write down the information that's provided by our advertisers because the more frequently and more successfully that you patronize my advertisers, the more likely they will remain my advertisers, and that means the more likely I will remain on the air because I rely upon the advertising dollars that my sponsors provide in order to exist.

So please write down the information provided by my advertisers and patronize them as frequently as possible. And send in those questions to rustyreed at chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Don't go away, God willing, we'll be right back after these messages from our sponsors. Tired of box store Christianity? Of doing church in a warehouse with all the trappings of a rock concert? Do you long for a more traditional and reverent style of worship?

And how about the preaching? Perhaps you've begun to think that in-depth biblical exposition has vanished from Long Island. Well, there's good news. Wedding River Baptist Church exists to provide believers with a meaningful and reverent worship experience featuring the systematic exposition of God's Word.

And this loving congregation looks forward to meeting you. Call them at 631 -929 -3512 for service times 631 -929 -3512 or check out their website at.

Wrbc .us. That's wrbc .us. I'm James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries. The New American Standard Bible is perfect for daily reading or in-depth study. Used by pastors, scholars, and everyday readers, the NASV is widely embraced and trusted as a literal and readable Bible translation.

The NASV offers clarity and readability while maintaining high accuracy to the original languages which the NASV is known for. The NASV is available in many editions like a topical reference Bible. Researched and prepared by biblical scholars devoted to accuracy, the new topical reference Bible includes contemporary topics relevant to today's issues.

From compact to giant print Bibles, find an NASV that fits your needs very affordably at nasbible .com. Whichever edition you choose, trust, discover, and enjoy the NASV for yourself today.

Go to nasbible .com. That's nasbible .com. One sure way all Iron Sharpens Iron radio listeners can help keep my show on the air is to support my advertisers. I know you all use batteries every day, so I'm urging you all from now on to exclusively use batterydepot .com for all your battery needs.

At batterydepot .com, they're changing the status quo. They're flipping the script. They're sticking it to the man. In other words, they'd like to change the battery industry for good by providing an extensive inventory of top-of-the-line batteries that are uniformly new, dependable, and affordable.

Ordering from batterydepot .com ensures you'll always get fresh out-of-the-box batteries you can count on to work properly at competitive prices. Whether you need batteries for cordless phones, cell phones, radios, PCs, laptops, tablets, baby monitors, hearing aids, smoke detectors, credit card readers, digital cameras, electronic cigarettes, GPSs, mp3 players, watches, or nearly anything else you own that needs batteries, go to batterydepot .com.

Next day shipping available. All products protected by 30-day guarantees and six-month warranties. Call 866 -403 -3768. That's 866 -403 -3768. Or go to batterydepot .com.

That's batterydepot .com. Gotta tell you, for my money, Chris Arnzen's radio program is just the best. Iron. Criticizing. Iron. I think that's what it's called. This is Todd Friel of Wretched Radio and TV with Phil Johnson of Grace to You, inviting everybody to come to the G3 conference, which has almost instantly become one of the best conferences in the country.

And it is. It's a great conference. I love it. And Chris Arnzen was there last year. He's been there, I think, every year. It's great to see him there. You and I actually did some recordings in the lobby at that place, which is a highlight.

Tons of stuff going on. Tons of great speakers. And no matter where you are in the you will hear Chris Arnzen's laugh. And that's worth the price of admission alone. If you would like to join Phil, me, Chris, and a cavalcade of great preachers.

So it should be a cavalcade of great preachers and me. G3conference .com. G3conference .com. Chris Arnzen, host of Iron.

Sharpens Iron Radio here. I want to tell you about a man I have personally known for many years. His name is Dan Buttafuoco. Dan is a personal injury and medical malpractice lawyer, but not the type that typically comes to mind.

Dan cares about people and is a theologian himself. Recently, he wrote a book titled Consider the Evidence for the Bible. Ravi Zacharias wrote the foreword. Dan also has a master's degree in theology.

Dan handles serious injury and medical malpractice cases in all 50 states. He represents many Christians in serious injury matters all over the country. Dan is an exceptional trial lawyer. He wrote the test for the National Board of Trial Advocacy.

And currently his firm has over 100 cases that have settled for $1 million or more and in approximately 10 different states. In Illinois, his lawyers had the fourth largest settlement in the state's history.

In New York, his case involving a paralyzed police officer made the front page of the Law Journal. If you have a serious personal injury or medical malpractice claim in any state, I recommend that you call Dan.

Consultations are free. There is no fee unless you win. Dan Buttafuoco's number is 1 -800 -669 -4878. 1 -800 -669 -4878. Or email me for Dan's contact information at chrisarnson at gmail .com. That's chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Meets in midtown Manhattan. You can find their service times and location on their website, which is www .ncc .nyc. They believe in a sovereign God who commands all men everywhere to repent and believe the gospel.

If you're looking for a church that believes in expository preaching, which is simply biblical preaching, in New York City, I'd like to recommend that you visit New Covenant Church, NYC. Again, their information can be found at www .ncc .nyc.

Have a great day.

Offers a full range of home renovations, including kitchen and bath remodeling, decks, porches, windows and doors, roof and siding, and more. For a clear, detailed professional estimate, call this trustworthy team of problem solvers who provide superior results that stand the test of time.

Call Solid Rock Remodeling at 717 -697 -1981, 717 -697 -1981, or visit solidrockremodeling .com. That's solidrockremodeling .com. Solid Rock.

Remodeling, bringing new life to your home. Hello, I'm Dr. Gary Kimbrell, senior pastor at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Laurel, Mississippi, and I'm hoping that many of you who listen to Chris Arnson's Iron Sharpens Iron radio program will join Chris and me at the Deep South Founders Conference, Thursday, January 24th through Saturday, January 26th here in Laurel.