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And today is October 11th 2016.

I kind of got distracted because a phone call was coming in at the exact same time

I was going to announce the date.

But we are delighted on this gorgeous breathtaking full day here in

Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

To have back on iron sharpens iron dr. Terry Berlin game

and I remember that I Use a tool to remember the pronunciation of his name

by remembering the 1936 Berlin Olympics.

But unfortunately whenever I have to use that tool to remember the pronunciation of Terry's name I have to have Hitler come

into my head.

But.

Our guest is far from that.

That odious figure from history.

And by the way, he spells it with a you not with an e.

Dr. Terry Berlin game is author and counselor with the Biblical Counseling Center

in Jennison, Michigan.

And We are going to be discussing his book today When God's will

and my will disconnect and this is a subject that we began back on

June 21st of this year.

It's amazing how time flies.

And we are going to pick up where we left off in the book because we only scratched the surface last time of this

very deep profound and important topic for Christians.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron.

Dr. Terry Berlin game.

Amen.

And Obviously there are new listeners tuning in to

iron sharpens iron regularly for the first time.

So although you've already done this before I would like you to let our listeners know something about

The Biblical Counseling Center in Jennison, Michigan.

Amen, and When we say that we believe in the sufficiency

of Scripture a lot of times Roman Catholic apologists and

others will mock our Belief in Sola Scriptura

that the Scriptures alone are our sole infallible inerrant authority

over the church.

They like to joke at times depending upon who you're talking to.

That.

You know, we believe that the Bible includes all information that you need to know about everything

including How a doctor is to perform brain surgery and how you are to change the

oil on a 1972 Volvo or something, you know, I mean, it's the

Bible gives us the principles for every single issue that we could face in life.

But it is not an exhaustive.

Collection of all

facts.

Am I

right

together as

husband members of a church?

What does God expect in our relationships?

And how do we respond to him in worship and praise in obedience

and Confession of sin.

And and these are the things that mold and shape our lives.

It's not

the what we happen to

be do contrary

to the principles

of God's Word.

And you also work with a ministry called David's house.

Explain that organization.

David's house ministries is a ministry here in Wyoming, Michigan suburb of Grand Rapids, Michigan

that provides

36 individuals with varying areas of

disabilities

special needs to those who are lower functioning traumatic brain injured

individuals and In a Christian environment we provide home and care while

these individuals.

We currently have four homes With those 36 individuals living in them and we're about

to build six more homes.

So to accommodate 36 more individuals, it's a ministry

really not go

to give them.

Well, I know that the website for.

The.

Counseling center where you are on the team there.

The Biblical Counseling Center of Jennison, Michigan, that is

bccmi.

Org.

Bccmi for michigan .org.

You have a website for David's house.

Great.

Well, I hope that Eventually the Lord brings some new donors to

both Your counseling ministry at the Biblical Counseling Center in Jennison, Michigan and

also to David's house.

Yes, and perhaps even that some people who need Both services

or either service that those ministries provide will be able to be blessed by them.

Now tell us about this book that we are revisiting.

Following up from where we left off on our last interview when God's will and my will

disconnect very Prevalent issue that comes

into the minds of Christians Whenever we are disappointed

frustrated depressed impatient with things developing in

our lives the way that we would like them to and This is quite an understandable

and natural thing for us to Experience.

And The sorrow and the sadness and the regret that we as human beings and fallen

sinners Experience and feel and living in a sin

-cursed fallen world, especially.

Tell us about what the Genesis of this book was and I know it has something to do

with Joseph in the Old Testament.

And so beginning of how

this book has been reading through here and thinking

through these choices I need to make

I need to be

sobering and

reacting to this and how it

began to develop.

I'm going to give our email address out for anyone who would like to join us on the air with a question of your own

for dr. Berlingame our Email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

Chris.

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Please give us your first name your city and state and your country of residence if you live

outside of the USA.

Well, you have a series of questions.

I believe 15 of them in your book or Decisions I should say.

That you list and the last time that we had you on the program in June.

We got through one through four of those decisions and let me just go through those.

Number one was I choose to accept that I am NOT in control God is in control.

Number two. I choose to confess sin.

Number three. I choose faithfulness.

Number four I choose purity.

And we reached the point today.

Where we are picking up the interview on Choice number five.

I choose to trust God to use me if you could.

Go in further depth into that choice.

You

might

even

have

people

who are driven

to the

brink of

suicide.

Because of any number of things that have occurred in their lives perhaps

some involuntarily like a disease or a crippling

accident or disability or even a Horrific

sin that a person has committed.

Where.

Lives have been horribly altered around that individual and

If this person is a Christian They can never think

that by committing the sin of murder against themselves.

That anyone's life around them will be improved.

Sometimes that is at least the professed Motivation for someone to commit

suicide is that I will make everyone's life around me happier and better.

But obviously God Does not view it that way because God does not want you to obviously

Disobey him and rebel against him in this sin of self -murder.

So therefore if you are a Christian there is indeed Even for you no matter what

you've done or whatever Lot in life you are experiencing

There is indeed a profound way that God.

Can

and

will

use you

in this

life,

isn't

that

true?

Yeah,

and the the

matter

is.

More complicated for individuals when the the trial That they are

experiencing is because of their own sin.

I know that When you've experienced when you have committed sins that have altered.

Or.

Dramatically altered those whom you love and those surrounding you in horrible and

negative ways there there is a feeling of

Feeling guilty at any point to reach a

Peace of mind.

Even to experiencing joy Can all be overwhelmed very

quickly With guilt because of that now even if someone has

has committed horrific sins.

But they have repented and have been restored to the body of Christ.

They have Really been transformed and are seeking to

live for the glory of God.

Even though others around them who are not believers and perhaps even believers will struggle with this.

But even if they say Hey, you know, you have no right to be happy because of what you did.

You have no right to be functioning as a.

Normal.

Member of society with a job and with a family and you know enjoying

the blessings of Marriage and fatherhood and all that kind of thing or motherhood.

That that is really not true, isn't it?

Even if someone has committed horrible sins as long as they have repented and are following

Christ They too should realize that that God has

not to repeat a corny phrase, but God has a plan for their lives and.

They

should

not

be

in

a fetal

position in a closet

somewhere.

And of

course,

there

are

consequences

to

sin.

Sometimes that will even involve prison sentences, maybe even a life prison sentence,

but that still Does not mean that you are not to live for the glory of

God even from behind bars in a maximum security prison.

Yeah,

I conclude

as you

may

remember

I

conclude every.

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Chris.

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We have a few already waiting to have their questions asked and answered.

So thank you for your patience.

We'll get to you as soon as we can when we return from the break.

But if you'd like to join us, please give us your first name.

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Dr. terry berlingame author and counselor with the biblical counseling center in jenison,

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We are discussing his book when god's will and my will disconnect Following up on our

initial discussion on that same topic back in june.

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Potiphar actually knew deep down.

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Uh god's will for all christians ultimately being conformed to the image of jesus christ

from romans 8 29 and 30.

That we will think like jesus christ.

And this passage in romans 8

he redeemed us

is going to make a difference in his in our lives.

And.

Believing what he

said in verse

and we know that we

see

that

beginning that

god is at work and we can have.

Obviously he may have been also tying that in with human suffering i'm assuming since you were talking about joseph being in

prison and so on obviously.

Uh a christian is to view whatever we go through in this life.

As something that is going to be transforming us into the image of christ

as romans 8 28 famously.

Promises that all things will work together for the good for those who love god and are the called according to his purpose.

And uh, so we are to look at any human suffering we are experiencing if we're a christian.

Uh as something that will conform us to his image.

Should we not look upon all those circumstances that way?

And I love how we uh are blowing to pieces.

A stereotype about calvinism because here I have a theologically reformed author.

Using the word choose and accept very often in chapter because we do.

Uh.

Choose and decide and accept.

It's it's just that that we who are reformed believe.

It's the holy spirit that must regenerate us first because A

sinner dead in his sins is not going to do anything or cannot do anything to please

god.

Uh and.

This requires a work of god a miracle god in our heart before we even can approach doing something that

pleases him.

But uh, you have the sixth choice.

In your book.

I choose to accept god's time frame obviously dealing with our

impatience.

Society we

want things to happen

now to

change quickly in

the time frame that we want and.

And I want things to happen.

It's it's more

it's going to develop Things in a time frame that is

going to work best and accomplish.

Um, but it's not about until we we

go back to Joseph once again.

And and just thinking about what had happened to him when he was in prison.

The cup bakes there in the baker.

And as I've copied everything to joseph, um, you know when I get out

of here, you know, you're you interpret my dream.

As it comes true and I

get out of here.

I'll remember

him out.

But what about.

I mean, it's not a surprise to god.

I need to be faithful to what I know not

in my time frame.

Amen.

Now I don't want to be a heretic here and add to the word of god, but uh, there is a

A scripture that even most Heathens people who aren't even

remotely christian uh know that the bible teaches that the

love of money Is the root of all kinds of evil?

And of course there are different translations of that and some are just mistranslations.

Such as people saying the law that money is the root of all evil but uh, I have

and i'm sure you and most Sane rational people have

witnessed not only in their own lives, but in the world around us.

That impatience seems to be the root Of all kinds of evil because when you think

about it people steal.

Because they're impatient earning a higher wage.

Uh, they are not satisfied with their current financial situation.

They so they steal uh, or they covet their their neighbor's goods.

People commit adultery because They are impatient.

With.

Their their marriage improving.

Uh, they're impatient with their spouse Uh treating them in a more

intimate and loving and even sexual way.

Uh, you can go on and on people get Drunk or high on drugs because they're

impatient with their depression.

Or their dissatisfaction with life.

They they they cannot wait for circumstances To lift their spirits and

bring them joy.

They have to rush the issue by Getting inebriated or stoned.

And you know, you could list so many different kinds of sins that we commit that.

Uh can

be

traced

right

back to

our

impatience.

Can't

they

the

prime

example

of

god's.

Anger against Impatience is with the israelites that he mercifully and

graciously delivered out of egypt And the grumbling and complaining because of their impatience

And not being satisfied with the manna and not being satisfied with the quail and so on.

Uh, a lot of impatience going on there amongst those whom he delivered

From enslavement and they paid a very serious price for that.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Don't

you

think

that

some of

the

patience

that we

need?

Goes beyond our being patient for things to be

Better in this life now coming dangerously.

Close to quoting from the title of a very horrible book by jill holstein.

Our best life now.

Uh, we need to even be willing to be patient for the afterlife for eternity

and glory for for things to get better.

In certain areas of our life you have christians being tempted into fornicating.

Because they don't have a spouse.

They don't even have anybody who has Expressed interest in them.

And they think I can't wait for decades for someone to marry me

and have the pleasures of a marriage bed.

I'm going to act upon this now because Because of my sorrow and misery and

discomfort My lot in life.

I deserve to sin this way.

And we.

Trick ourselves into committing all kinds of sins.

But.

You may have to wait for an eternity to.

Uh.

Know that there are Indescribable joys awaiting us that far

exceed any pleasures a marriage bed could provide.

Now

there's

that

expectation a young man.

And and see how god works his life and who he might bring into his life.

You

know

a wonderful

example what god

tells

me

before him.

We have to go to another break right now if you'd like to join us on the air With a question of your own and we still do

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Uh, we have come to a next Uh chapter in the book.

The next choice I choose god's realities.

If you could explain.

Along

the way we

know was

sold to egypt

or

called

dreams.

Expectation we talked

about.

Weren't fulfilled.

And he had

to in

their

place

sure

of

london by

my

wife and I

anticipating

going

to

ministry.

Here we have a son.

Some

incredible

ways

maybe as

jonathan

began to

develop

or

not develop 24

hour

reality.

Joseph.

And then

say, okay

lord in the midst of this reality I need

to reassess.

Yeah, and uh, isn't it so horrific that There are people

Who would prefer committing murder even though they would never call it that themselves or rarely call

it that uh when they think in their own very

limited and Fallible and finite brains that people

Such as your son would be better off Not existing.

Uh, and uh, therefore they if if they are given advanced notice of such

a condition in the womb they will immediately uh prefer

to Have an abortion Which is the murder of an unborn child.

Or.

They will adopt a view.

Applauding celebrating or even committing.

Uh, what has been called mercy killing euthanasia and other

things like that, uh Dr. Kovorkian comes to mind who is looked upon as a great

hero by many people.

Uh, but those circumstances and of course um, I don't mean to be

glib or take lightly the suffering that people are going through.

But.

Either murdering oneself or someone else because you think that either

You or the other person? are not going to be.

Uh contributing to society or even to your family.

Uh, or you think they will be Miserable living in this state or perhaps that you

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They.

Were defeated by the allied forces and they were promoting.

The uh.

Execution, although they weren't calling it that.

Of those who were mentally retarded and others because it was really what's best for them.

This is really the.

The height of wickedness, isn't it?

Don't

have

this

ability for

other people like

this

because of what

we

determine

to be

inability.

We're called

to

be

faithful.

What he's called us to

and he's

called

us to be.

By the way, if anybody listening would like to see a very.

Moving tribute.

I can email you the youtube link.

But.

Many of you if not, most of you are familiar with the name andrea bocelli a

world -renowned and Celebrated opera singer who is blind.

And there is a very moving Tribute he paid to his mother in the middle of a

concert Where he was performing Where he Praised his

mother for rejecting the advice of her doctors to abort him On the

grounds that he would be blind.

And this is a man who has sold 70 million records worldwide And

is considered one of the most gifted.

Singers.

Of our time so.

Uh, just keep that in mind when any of you may be.

Contemplating an abortion on the grounds of a disability such as blindness or anything else.

You never know who you are removing from the face of the earth.

And if you email me at chrisarnson at gmail .com I can send you that very moving

Video where andrea bocelli pays tribute to his mother for refraining from having an abortion.

Uh, let's move on now to.

I choose to accept god's blessings and this may seem Like, uh an absurd

statement.

People might chuckle at that like oh, of course I'm gonna accept all the blessings I can get.

Why is that even a question?

But if

you

can if

you could go

further

an

explanation

on that

usual blessing,

okay.

What is.

And so when I

think

about

how he's

blushing

us in

those

negative

situation?

But then.

I am sorry about that.

That was a accidental launch of a commercial there.

And

you put

in

those

negative

circumstances.

Those unwanted

terms are

predestined and

adopters.

His

child and I

might not be

blessed the way

we have

an anonymous listener.

Who wants to know.

I understand that the bible always refers to children

As being a gift from god to parents.

Can you please give me some?

Guidance on how I can view Rebellious children that

appear to hate me and hate god.

And.

Are causing me great pain, especially In my fear of where they will spend

eternity.

I do not believe in abortion and would never even consider such a horrible sin.

But how can I find the beauty of this gift?

In the midst of the misery I am experiencing.

And

that's

fear

gonna

work

out.

I

don't

know.

For

god's

gracious

working

in

their

lives.

They're your gift.

Not the gift

you expected.

Amen.

And

of course where

there's life there's hope.

And.

You don't know how this person's life could be.

Radically.

Powerfully transformed these children.

They may become mighty christians.

And.

May become in many ways a blessing to their parents

both in spiritual and in physical ways and God has

180 degree Reversed the lives of countless numbers of

people that were living abhorrent and rebellious lives and

destructive lives.

And he can do that If it is his will to do so and so there is

that hope that you should always be clinging to.

And of course Even if that doesn't happen we have The apple of

god's own eye david having to go through that horrible experience with his son

Absalom, correct.

Who?

Wound up being killed In the midst of his rebellion

during the battle of ephraim wood, but the The issue

is that even somebody that is has such a vital role in The

unfolding unfolding of redemptive history in the bible had to cope with that uh experience.

And you know,

there's

something

mourning and he

didn't stop by

god.

And our

you've

used

absalom

that you love

them as a

godly individual.

I think god

is going to do his work.

An amazing way through their life and our lives.

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Welcome back.

This is chris arnes and if you just tuned us in for the last 90 minutes, we have been interviewing.

Dr terry berlingame author and counselor with the biblical counseling center in

jenison, michigan and their website.

Uh is well, actually I just uh, I misplaced their website, but i'll get that to you in a second.

Uh, their website is bccmi .org.

For biblical counseling center mi for michigan .org.

Today we are discussing uh, terry's book when god's will and my will

disconnect and we have Approximately 25 minutes or so left in our conversation.

If you'd like to join us On the air our email address is chrisarnson at gmail

.com.

Chris arnson at gmail .com.

And uh harrison in mechanicsburg, pennsylvania brings up a very good point.

Uh, he said that uh.

It is interesting how often we lose our tempers when minor things occur in our

life like being stuck in a traffic jam or losing a job.

Which can be serious, of course.

But.

We don't know what god is sparing us from.

There could be.

A horrific tragedy awaiting around the corner that we never knew about.

That he has delivered us from through this comparatively minor inconvenience.

How do you respond to what harrison said.

Well said harrison.

Ha ha ha ha.

And by the way harrison, uh, you are also getting a free copy of when god's will and my

will Disconnect by dr. Terry berlingame.

So please just provide Your full mailing address and your full name so we can have that

shipped out to you.

You know, I might

I might make one

other little comment here

chris.

Sure something else you

know, I

can very

definitely

look in

my own

and

uh.

We move on to something that may be Involved in something that harrison just said.

I choose to remember god's working.

Yeah, and

Publish in my

life.

You say yes.

Amen, and uh, one of the things i'd like your advice or counsel on

is that uh, and you know this, uh goes for everyone who

seeks to comfort those Who are in pain or distress or in a trial.

And.

And also me as a talk host sometimes I I fear

that I may come across As i'm being insensitive To the plight

that someone is involved in.

Like for instance Going back to the euthanasia issue.

Uh where you you know, there are people experiencing.

Uh.

Mind -numbing.

Horrific agony Torturous agony in whatever kind of

disease they may.

Have.

Uh, and so on and so.

They may say to someone like me and and you Uh, you know, you don't know what it's like to be.

It's like, you know We're being tortured in medieval times here.

And we just want to exit off this planet.

Because we're suffering greatly.

It's not like We're just depressed or something.

Uh, and obviously no matter what kind of Experience of pain

someone has it never legitimizes.

Murder.

But of course, we also have to make clear that we are differentiating between

Uh injecting poison into somebody's veins or having an assisted suicide

occur uh and Removing life support.

I mean those things are different.

But but if but if you could comment on that and also on.

We as christians have to make sure that we are not speaking glibly or tritely

or uh.

Without compassion when we are addressing issues like this.

Oh, you know that that's somebody.

That's a good that's a good line.

For that individual going through that situation Whatever it may be at

that

point

on their life

is maybe placed at the god of

all that you

might be able to comfort.

We have

been

encouraged

people in

their

truth

and

that

may well be

true that

god has promised to us.

And they are.

And as far as

the comment

I made about differentiating between for instance removing life support.

And actually assisted suicide those can be radically different things and I

say that with a caveat that i'm not Personally supporting by any stretch of the imagination.

What I consider the murder of terry shiavo that you may remember where feeding tube was

removed.

I'm not talking about something like that.

That just because of that will make our lives Uh, perhaps more peaceful.

And that we can move on with our lives and get remarried and that kind of thing.

Uh, but there i'm talking about when when somebody's on a respirator or something like that and there's just no

hope the person has given their consent perhaps before they.

Uh.

Went into this situation or they may be totally unconscious and the there is zero hope for

any kind of Consciousness being hoped for and that kind of a thing.

Yeah,

an agony of decision

not

by any means anything to

the lord and

you

know a doctor

could

have made the decision.

They're

not

gonna

use that

in those

situations.

Oh,

yeah.

Definitely.

And um, and i'm not even suggesting that anybody rushes into removing life support.

But i'm speaking about those cases where there's no debate about whether this

person has any Realm of possibility from coming out of a coma or has such a

severe degree of brain damage or whatever the situation is.

That.

That you know that keeping a heart beating and lungs Filled with

oxygen is not Necessarily the wisest thing to do or even the

most merciful thing to do that is a completely different issue than Actually poisoning somebody to

death Just just as if they're being executed for a capital crime or something.

For sure for sure, you know, and.

And you know for that individual that.

Um.

Keeping the life going

going

to

trust.

And we'll

move on to

our final chapter for our discussion

today.

Not the final chapter in your book, which we will pick up on god willing in a future date.

But the final chapter that we'll address today.

At least in part is I choose to live above the fray.

Okay

talking about here Is

live above

that

I

can have those

situations

happen in my

life

above that

he

welcomes

them.

He.

And

luck

and

all

of

that

upon

others.

Amen.

Well, I want to thank you so much for being on the program today brother and oh, thank you If you could hold on the

line when we go off the air because I definitely want to set up another interview so we can

can conclude.

The following chapter is still remaining that we haven't addressed in the book to give a summary

of each.

On a future program.

So if you don't mind remaining on the line, absolutely not.

Chris and i'd be happy.

Um to give my email address here if someone had no further question, they wanted to contact me.

That's great.

They'd be certain you'd

certainly

be welcome to really appreciate that.

Morningdesk.

At comcast .net kind of like a news anchor.

Sounding.

Morningdesk at comcast .net.

If anybody who has not won a book today or even those who have won a book but want to buy

more copies of the book You can go to calvarypress .com

Calvarypress .com.

And find out more information on how to order god's when god's will and my will disconnect

by our guest. Dr Terry berlingame and you can also find out about more titles offered by

calvarypress .com.

You could also Go to the website of the biblical counseling

center in jenison, michigan and that website is bcc

for biblical counseling center mi for michigan Org that's

bccmi .org.

And then finally for david's house ministry that our guest had mentioned.

Earlier.

Where his son is a resident?

That.

Website is dhmin .org dh for david's house

min for ministry dot org.

Thank you so much Dr. terry berlingame.

We look forward to Wrapping up this subject on a future date and we'll we'll

put that on the calendar as soon as we go off the air.

Thank you, and I want everybody to always remember for the rest of your lives that jesus christ

Is a far greater savior than you are a sinner.

We look forward to hearing from you and your questions for our guests tomorrow on iron sharpens iron radio.

God bless.