Provoked - Bold As Lions: Interview with Laura Klassen of Choice42

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Brothers, what we do in life echoes in eternity.

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I mean, this is what's wrong with the Christian church today. We don't know who God is, and we don't know who we are.

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This is where we hold them. This is where we fight. Officer, you need to repent of your lawless conduct.

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You don't know the law, and yet you pretend to represent it. That's not law enforcement, sir.

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That's being a thug. We will not stop fighting and bothering you all until this monstrous, barbaric practice of legalized abortion ends, and we are teaching our children to do the same.

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God's Word says that the shed blood of innocent humans cries out for justice, and mark my words, they will have their day in court.

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Nobody gets saved by being treated nicely. They get saved by hearing the gospel. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the

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Word of Christ. If we don't open our mouths and commend Christ, we're not loving

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Him, no matter what we're doing with our hands. Hey, what's going on, everybody?

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Christian brothers and sisters, whoever listens to us, to share the gospel, really to work out their salvation, be

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Christians in a culture of death. That's right. It's simple. It's just all we want people to do is love their neighbor.

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And we do that preeminently through gospel presentation, through gospel dissemination, getting the gospel out as far and as wide as we can.

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Of course, that's the MO of Apologia Studios. That's the way it's been for years and years and years. And then we also want to love our neighbor in the form of trying to rescue little babies from being butchered at abortion mills or wherever it may be.

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It's a preeminent issue, and that's what we're all about. I am excited about today's show.

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Oh yeah, we got to add that clip. We'll add that clip right now, and they'll see it. And they'll just see why we're such big weirdos.

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Yeah. Woo! Okay, cool.

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So, anything you want to say before we move into the podcast? I notice that in almost every single episode

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I say, I'm super excited about this episode. You know, you hear your own self, but today

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I am super excited because our guest is legit one of my heroes.

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Like, she is the Katniss Everdeen of abolitionists. That's a good way. That's a great illustration. She is so cool.

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I'm sure she's loving hearing this. We're embarrassing her right now. Sorry. But no,

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I just admire her work. I'm so thankful for it. She just brings such an edge to this fight, and I'm so thankful for all the work that she's doing.

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So, without further ado, we should introduce her, huh? Yeah, we're going to bring on Laura Clausen in just one second.

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But that's our guest of the day, and yeah, we have been super excited to see, you know, to have her come on the show today.

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I think a cool thing, and before we introduce her, what I like about Laura so much is just boldness and courage.

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I don't know who said it, but they said, you know, people follow courage and boldness, and that's exactly as Christians move out in boldness.

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And in her case, she wants to save as many babies as she can in a very straightforward and bold and courageous way.

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You inspire other people to do it, especially women. So I was walking out the door. I said, hey, guys, I'm going to go and go record a show.

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And they said, who are you going to have on? I said, oh, Laura Clausen. And my daughters, 18 and 14, were just, what?

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You know, they were so excited. Because when a woman makes a bold stand, she inspires and encourages other women to do so, and that's exactly what we need.

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That's right. So, hey, Laura, are you there? I am. Hi. Hi. Hey, thanks for being on.

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I'm not used to having people say nice things about me. Yeah, me either. I don't know what to say. Yeah, and we know.

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We just follow your Twitter feed and your Facebook, so we know all about that. Yeah, you respond really well and graciously to them.

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Oh, you know, trying, yep. Yeah, I know. I actually want to talk to you a little bit more about that as we get into the discussion, but I'll leave that for a little bit further down.

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But we're going to start by playing your video. So You're Pregnant. So You're Pregnant, just so our listeners can get a kind of idea of the work that you're doing with Choice for Two.

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So we're going to play that now. So you're pregnant. You didn't plan this.

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You didn't want it. And now you have a choice to make. Take a breath. You can do this.

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I'm going to be real with you, though. The choices that our society and the media are going to present you with, they're not all equal.

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Right now, your baby's heart is already beating. That started about 21 days after conception.

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We're talking about another human being here, and not just any human being. Your baby.

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For whatever reason, this baby was given to you. You were chosen to be this child's mother. And no matter what's going on in your life, you can rise up and take this on.

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You can rock this. But right now, abortion is probably going to be suggested, even pushed on you by the people closest to you.

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They'll tell you it's your best option. They'll tell you to think of your future. They'll say you're not old enough, not young enough, not experienced enough, not financially stable enough, not educated enough.

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They might even threaten you. The thing is, you're already this baby's mother.

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This child is already here in the world, living and growing inside you. And what these people are suggesting to you is that you murder your own baby.

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And yeah, that sounds harsh, but I'm not going to lie to you. Not when your baby's life is on the line.

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You're the only one who can protect this child. You. You're not alone.

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Not by a long shot. Fight for your baby. And reach out for help if you need it.

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We'll help you. Choose your baby. You've got what it takes.

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And you won't regret it. Okay, yeah, that's an amazing work.

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All the videos that you put out are awesome. So what we know, and you know this as well, is Christians can put out really sucky stuff.

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I mean, really subpar presentations, movies, videos, whatever it may be. And I so appreciate

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Choice42 and you guys just putting out excellent things, like videos that are better than everything that came before it.

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Yeah, right. Especially your video on child sacrifice. I mean, I just, I so appreciate your attention to quality and detail and innovation and art.

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And I think that's why, you know, you're hooked up with Lore because they see that in you guys as well.

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Yeah, that was one of our goals because we noticed that too. That there wasn't a lot of quality media being produced about abortion.

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So that's one of the things we wanted to do. Yeah, and you guys do it well. So just kind of tell us, before we get into asking about your testimony, we really are interested in how you got in the fight and how that all transpired.

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But tell us a little bit about what it's like living in Canada right now with all the restrictions and what you kind of have to deal with.

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Oh, yeah. So basically we've lost our freedom, whether people realize it or not.

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And sadly, I think a lot of people don't even realize it right now. You know, it started over a year ago with two weeks to flatten the curve.

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We were going to have a shutdown for two weeks and now they're introducing vaccine passports. So it's crazy.

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Yeah. So with the vaccine passports, are you at this moment,

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I mean, how deep is the restrictions? Are they not allowing anybody to fly yet or has it not gotten to that level?

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That is what they're saying, is that comes in in September. So each province kind of has its own rules.

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So I'm in Ontario. They just announced for British Columbia that the vaccine passport is coming in in September.

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And it basically prohibits you from going anywhere other than to shop for groceries.

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So you can't go to weddings. You can't go to the movie theater. You can't go to the mall.

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You can't go anywhere if you're not vaccinated. Wow. So what would you say to the person in Canada?

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And I know you've probably heard this. It says, hey, you know, just take the vaccine and everything will go back to normal.

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Let's just get things back to the way they are. So let's comply with the government. What would you say?

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Well, the government, I don't think the government's going to give back power once they've taken it. So once we just go along with this,

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I don't think things will just go back to normal. I think it's only going to escalate and the government's just going to take more.

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So I think that, you know, people are saying this isn't the line that they want to draw, that they'll just go along and take the vaccine.

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And, you know, they'll put their foot down when they truly feel like their freedom's being taken away.

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But it's happening step by step, right? It's going to be a lot harder to stand up later if we don't stand up now.

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Exactly right. That is the only recourse. Because, I mean, you look at history. History played out over and over, not only in our nation, of course, and yours and around the world.

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But that's exactly right. This is the work of a tyrannical government. And the more that you comply to a tyrannical government, the more that they put the squeeze on you.

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So we have to have a concerted effort in the masses to say, hey, you know what? We're not going to bow to your dictates.

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You know, you're our servants. We're not your slaves. So that's the only way forward. Do you ever get just these moments, like I'm listening to this,

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I'm like, man, this feels like we're in some sort of weird sci -fi movie. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Like who would have even imagined two years ago that we would even be having this discussion?

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I mean, that is crazy. You can't go anywhere but the grocery store. That means if you've got family in another province, like you can't go visit them, like you said, weddings, you can't travel, you know, just like the ramifications of this are huge.

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Hey, Laura, do you know the percentage of people that aren't vaccinated in Canada right now? You know what?

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They're saying that 80 % are vaccinated, but I don't believe that stat.

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I don't think that many are, honestly. But I mean, who knows? Yeah, totally. And how many people are in Canada?

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I'm sorry, I'm throwing out all these questions. Do you know how many people? No, I don't. So hundreds of millions,

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I'm assuming. Maybe not as much. We have, what, 400 million here? I think so, 4 .5. We have way less than you guys.

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Yeah, you do have way less, so maybe not that figure. But you think about 20 % that just say, hey, you know,

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I'm not going to get vaccinated, who are confined to their homes, right? They can't go work. They can only go back and forth to eat.

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Just think what that's going to do to national economies. Yeah. Go ahead.

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Yeah, no, they haven't done that yet in terms of the working thing. And as I said, they've announced it in British Columbia.

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So that's not here, but they have said that all civil servants have to be vaccinated. So that's all the police, anyone working in hospitals.

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I'm not sure if hospitals have happened yet, but different groups of people.

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Oh, anyone who works in a bank has to be vaccinated. So it's kind of like they're rolling it out and different groups are dealing with it right now, but I'm sure they're going to extend it to pretty much everyone soon.

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Sure. It's 37 million. Oh, 37 million. Oh, yeah, that's tiny. There's like 37 million in Los Angeles.

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Yeah, there's 328 million in the United States. Yeah.

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So about 10%. Yeah. Well, hey, we're praying for you. And that increases our admiration.

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And, of course, we give all glory to God, but it does increase our admiration for you that in such a constrained environment that you're in and problematic that we don't even understand that you're being as bold as you are.

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So thank you just so much for that exhibition of boldness and courage. It really encourages us to do more.

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Yeah. I think the first video I saw of you, Laura, was the magic birth canal, and I love it because I, as a woman, have gone out to the mills and have done abortion mill ministry and have been in this fight for,

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I don't know, six or seven years now. And we were alluding to, for some reason, well, we know why, but pro -choicers hate men that are in this fight, but, boy, do they hate women that are in this fight.

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I would say even more because with men, they've got the no uterus, no opinion, you know, garbage.

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But with women, they can't say that to us. And so really all they can do is try to attack our personal character.

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And so I just love that you kind of come back with, of course, class, but just a little bit of a bite.

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And I just, it's very edifying for me, just being on the other end of the abuse, you know, that you kind of receive from the death squirts and from other women, pro -choice women.

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It is very satisfying to have someone come out and make just such quality content, and that has a bite and has a serrated edge.

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So thank you for your work that you're doing. It really has encouraged me a ton. Yeah. Hey, so you get a lot of women messaging you, asking you how they can get in the fight to save babies.

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Yeah. And it's a lot different for Americans compared to us.

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Like you guys saying you're out at the death mill, like it's illegal to stand outside of an abortion clinic here in Canada.

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Wow. So it's a very different fight, because if I have an

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American message me, then I just say, great, like, go. Go to the gates and try and rescue babies.

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So which is kind of why, you know, we have Choice for Two online in the first place, because we can reach women this way.

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That's awesome. Okay, so let's kind of shift into your testimony. We're really curious about, you know, kind of who you are and what got you involved.

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I don't know, you can go as exhaustively as you want, in depth as you want, whatever you feel like, but we really want to know kind of your story.

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How did you get involved? So I grew up in a

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Christian home, and I became Christian when I was quite young. And also when

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I was little, I saw a graphic abortion image. And for someone, someone was holding it on the side of the road.

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And that really affected me. I kind of from that, at that moment,

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I knew abortion was wrong. I didn't understand exactly what it was, but, you know, you can just look at that image and know that it's something bad.

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And so I went through school, and I did my like big projects or my debates every single year almost on abortion.

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And so it just kept going year after year after year. And I honestly was not aware that there was a pro -life movement in Canada.

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I didn't know it existed. And I didn't know much about everything going on in the US. So I just thought like, no, no one knows what's going on here.

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I didn't know where to start or how to do anything. But I just really had this feeling like I needed to do something about abortion.

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I didn't know what it was. And I can remember praying so earnestly, like,

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God, just use me for this. I'll do whatever it is. And it's kind of crazy slash scary to look back on that and see like it happened.

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So, yeah, I started volunteering at my local pregnancy resource centre because that's where I figured that's what

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I knew was out there. And then when I was there, I got the idea for Choice for Two, just in terms of reaching women online and also in creating awareness for people as to what abortion actually is and that it's happening in our country and that our country actually doesn't have any abortion law at all.

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And most Canadians don't even know that. So that's just kind of where the whole thing started.

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I had no training in how to run a nonprofit or in how to run social media or in any of that.

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But I just started it and it's grown now to what it is. Yeah, that's amazing.

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So how long has Choice for Two been alive? We're coming. Yeah, actually, this week will be our sixth anniversary.

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Wow. That's so cool. So do you do that full time? Yeah, like it's not a job.

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But yeah, like no one on our team is paid. So it's not like a full time thing in terms of that.

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But I do spend a lot of time on it. That's awesome. Cool. So maybe we can get into, well, just a couple of questions to kind of pick your brain about a few things.

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But how do you think abortion is really going to end? Maybe some bigger questions.

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What, from your perspective, do we need to do? I don't really know.

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But I think that, I mean, if it's going to end, it's going to be God that ends it.

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And right now, we're not, like Canada, and I'd say the

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U .S. too, probably is not, they're not Christian countries. So we're missing that.

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We're missing God in our country. And people are not calling out to God for help.

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We're just a totally pagan society. So I'm not sure exactly what the steps are going to be, whether it be to kind of awaken people to what abortion actually is and the horror that it is.

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But at the same time, even if they find out, in a lot of cases, if they're not

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Christians, they don't care. Anyway, so I think that there has to be a big change in our country, just in general, not having to do with abortion, but having to do with being a

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Christian country. Yeah, absolutely. It's almost like reformation, right, or revival.

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Yeah. Just a spiritual awakening in that country. And then when the scales are off, then you come to the conclusion, oh,

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I'm supposed to love my neighbor. Right. It's not okay to tear apart little babies in the womb. Right.

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But you're exactly right. So it's more of a spiritual effort. And that's what we think too. That's why within abortion now and all of our efforts here, even in front of the mill, it's always gospel -centric.

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Right. We go to proclaim the gospel. All Apologia Studios is really primarily about just getting the gospel out constantly because it's the gospel

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God uses as his tool, the power of God into salvation for all who believe, right, that God uses to regenerate that heart.

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And then you know, because before God regenerated me, I could give a rip about abortion. I mean, I never even thought about it ever.

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And then all of a sudden you have the spirit of God dwelling in you and you're like, wait, no, this is wrong. How could we ever think that this is okay?

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So I think that is a wonderful answer. So that's in abortion now, a very prophetic gospel -centered, coming along the local church and equipping the local churches in our network to go out with the gospel and save babies.

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And then we have also the legislative work that we do through an organization called Red State Reform to where we introduce bills of abolition all throughout the nation.

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So one of these days, the pro -life movement is not going to destroy these abolition bills.

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It's going to happen. Frustrating. Which is insane to even say. Your biggest adversary is the pro -life movement.

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And that's a whole huge topic in itself. So how was Choice for Two, like how did that come to be?

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Like how was that? How did it start? Were you going to ask that? Sorry.

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No, no, go ahead. Yeah, I just kind of started it.

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Like I said, I didn't know what I was doing. I went to school for music and opera, so I didn't know.

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We came up with the name, just paid to have a logo, just started creating the website, which really needs to be revamped at this point because it's a six -year -old

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Choice for Two on the website. And at that time, we would actually say

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Choice for Two is a non -religious organization, non -political, non -religious, like all that kind of stuff.

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And it's completely flipped now because, you know, just coming to the realization of what abortion is, which is child sacrifice, which is very much a religious issue.

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Yeah, so you just mean like the technical, I just set everything up.

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I set up the social media, and the idea was to create a viral video so that we would get exposure.

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And that's where the magical birth canal, like that's why that was created.

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Okay. Got it. Yeah. So what would you say to like, if somebody is listening to our show, you know, a young woman, a young man, whoever it may be in Canada, they're listening, they know you're from that country, and they want to get involved.

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What would you, how would you encourage them? Well, get involved with Choice for Two.

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I mean, there's lots of opportunity just following us online and interacting with anyone the same way that we would.

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But in general, I think we really need to engage the churches. The churches here in Canada really don't care about abortion.

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And I actually met with a, I don't know if you've heard of Aaron Rock.

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He's a pastor here who's been kind of causing some issues because he did not close his church when the churches were ordered to close.

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So I actually got to know him a little bit, but we ended up meeting, it was yesterday.

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And he's one of the very, very few pastors who will touch the abortion debate.

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And when we started Choice for Two, we had this idea that we would email. We got as many emails as we could of pastors in Canada to just kind of let them know, here's

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Choice for Two, we're going to be tackling abortion. And I figured that they would be supportive, and they were not.

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I think I got back maybe two emails saying, good job. Mostly I didn't hear back from anyone.

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And then I got messages from pastors, I'll say that in quotes, because they would say stuff like, go to hell.

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Abortion is a woman's right. Who are you to say abortion is wrong?

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Show me in the Bible where it says abortion is wrong. So just a very, very discouraging start, but it really kind of shocked me into reality as to what we're dealing with here in Canada, because even the churches won't touch it.

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And that is so sad. And we look at our American Evangelical Church and it's in a state of total disrepair.

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And it all flows out of the pulpits, right? Everything flows, but it seems to me like you guys are in a much worse off position.

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At the moment, not forever, but at the moment. But it seems as though, again, it's all tied into the pastors and the pulpits.

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If only they would have the courage, then things start to change from that point. So you talked about just briefly that there's no abortion laws in Canada.

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So does that mean that they can kill a baby in the womb at any stage? Correct. Wow. So five minutes before delivery.

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Yeah. Wow. That's unreal. I know. And the thing is,

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Canadians don't believe that it's happening. Every Canadian has in their mind, like, oh, no, it doesn't happen past 12 weeks, or it doesn't happen past 24 weeks.

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They all have these cutoffs. They just think, which are not true. And to be honest, it is not easy to find a doctor who will abort your baby at nine months.

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But because there is no law, it's kind of up to each doctor. And we do know that it's happening. Because I've interacted with women who have done it.

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And there was a pretty big case a couple years ago that got a lot of attention because a woman tried to abort her almost full -term baby.

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I think it was because the baby had Down syndrome. I'm not 100 % sure if I remember that right.

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But she couldn't find a doctor who would do it, and she got really mad.

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So she went to the news about that, saying that this is her right. And then another doctor stepped up and did it.

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Wow. Atrocious. Absolutely wicked. But even that, like the way that the public reacted to that was not, oh, my goodness, a full -term baby was just aborted.

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It was, oh, my goodness, this poor woman had to jump through hoops for her rights.

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Unreal. That is so sad. It is. It makes you nauseous.

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Obviously, you believe the same as us. It's no different from the value of the baby at conception to full -term.

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But it just shows you the depravity in the mind of man that we can even go there with a baby that's just about to be delivered.

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Because a lot of the arguments are, well, it's just a clump of cells. And that is just so blaring.

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You know that it's not a clump of cells. But you're right. It's a mentality of depravity.

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It's just a mentality. And you hit the nail on the head when you said, hey, what Canada really needs is

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God, is to acknowledge God. This is what happens to any nation all throughout history when you don't acknowledge

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God, when you spurn Him, right? And Romans 1 talks about it. It actually talks about the process of judgment.

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And at the end, He gives them over to their depravity. And then after that, the next step is the wrath of abandonment.

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John MacArthur actually has a really good sermon on that, just the steps of God's judgment on a rebellious nation. So I hope

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Canada comes around. Yeah, we will pray for that. And I hope it doesn't get delivered over to its own vices, man.

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But we're praying for you heavily. What kind of response from your countrymen have you gotten?

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Yeah, I mean, mostly not good. It's so ingrained into our culture that abortion is a woman's right, and that's it.

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And that you're just a terrible – I've even been called a terrorist here in Canada for wanting to end abortion.

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So it's not the popular opinion by any means, but we're just trudging along here.

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And here, though, lives have been saved because of the work of Choice for Two and with your team.

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I see all the time where you guys are helping, and you're another baby saved, another baby saved.

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Oh, a mom just chose life. Here's a baby shower. Here's a registry. And lives are being saved because God is using your faithfulness.

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So, man, that's encouraging. And it also is really humbling just to listen to, because it sounds like you guys have it a lot worse than we do.

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I mean, just to be in the fight. Like you said, you can't go out and just plead with mothers. You have a lot more obstacles, it sounds like, to try to reach these women.

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And so we just praise God for your faithfulness and all that He's doing through your work. Yeah, and you're being salt and light.

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I mean, salt is a preservative. And so the Christians within a nation that are actually impacting the culture are the ones that are preserving that nation, actually holding back the hand of God and unleashing

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His full -on wrath of abandonment and doom. So it's just awesome. You guys are, like Rusty Thomas says, getting the salt out of the salt shaker and being that impactful presence, being a light in a very dark place.

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So keep doing it. And I'm sure you've thought, man, it'd be cool just to bail this place so I can have more freedoms and be less restricted and all that I want to do.

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But I'm just so admired that you stay there and God's using what you've done.

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And God is using what you're doing to save lives and bring Him glory. So that's amazing. That is. I had a quick question before we get started on, because I want to hear about her new project.

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Yeah, that was mine too. As much as she can share, she might not be able to share too much. Exactly. Laura, I was wondering when you were talking about this, when the pastors were saying, the quote unquote pastors were saying that kind of stuff to you, did you go through any sort of just discouragement?

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Because I remember when I kind of got into this fight, I was going to a bigger church. And I remember a woman that had been a

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Christian for 40 years and was in leadership and stuff at that church told me that we really shouldn't tell people that abortion is sin.

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What we should tell them is that their life is going to be changed. They really don't need to hear that it's wrong, but that it's sin.

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And I just remember being like floored. And I went through just a period of just discouragement.

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Like, are you kidding me? Like, I just was so naive to this whole fight that there were actually

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Christians that profess Christ that said they loved him with all their heart, mind and soul. And yet they were telling me that it wasn't okay to call baby slaughter a sin.

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So did you go through any sort of discouragement during that time?

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I think it was more of like a shock. Okay, they're not on our side.

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But it wasn't like a discouragement because I really, and looking back on it now, it's kind of funny, but I didn't have any, there was no thought in my mind that Choice for Two wouldn't be successful in terms of growing, just growing and taking off.

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And it's funny to think now because I didn't have any connections. I didn't have anything that should have made it successful.

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But I just thought, okay, I'm just doing what I can based on just really asking

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God to use me. And so here we go. And this is going to work. And so when all those pastors weren't supportive, it was disappointing.

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But then I was just like, okay, well, so we're doing it without them. Right. Yeah. Interesting.

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That's the hardest part of the fight. And that's what I really am inspired by you as well as others is just like the stick -to -itiveness because the

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Bible says do not grow weary in well -doing. But in this fight, you can grow weary. Right. It's just tough with all the vitriol, all the hatred.

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And you get it maybe more than we do. Oh, for sure. We're all receiving the end of that. Well, you get it in person a lot.

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But online, she just gets it left and right. Just like a machine gun at her. So that's what

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I appreciate is that you're still working, that you're still moving forward, that you're still innovating and creating. And that's what we have to do.

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But that can be in this fight some of the most difficult things. Laura, when you go out to dinner or when you go out, have you ever gotten assaulted or people threatening or calling you names or anything because you're pretty well -known now and you're very recognizable,

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I would say. You know what? No one has ever recognized me.

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You just don't wear your pink wig. Because she wears her pink wig. Oh, yeah. That's good. That's perfect. Yeah. The pink wig has been such a blessing because I didn't think about it at the time.

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Like, we just did it to be flashy. But I even had people who

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I know. Okay. So people at my church who saw the video online and then came up to me and asked me who

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I got to be the actor. Oh, really? Yeah. Which I'm like, it's just a pink wig on my head.

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It's still my face. But for some reason. I know.

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Superman. Or Superman, yeah. Yeah. They really don't recognize me. And when

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I do just go out in my everyday life, I mean, I don't look like this.

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Yeah. I don't think I would be recognized. I mean, at this point,

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I'm not. And I'm very thankful for that. Yeah. Well, praise God for that. Okay. Yeah. Smart move. Yeah. That's a smart move.

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That's so funny. Like Superman. Like, I have no clue. Yeah. I know.

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Okay. So you're going to be working with Lore. Yeah. And you're going to be doing something called Exposed.

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So I don't know. Again, we don't want to pry into information you can't give. But we're just wondering what that's going to be like.

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Well, and everybody might not know what Lore is. So do you want to explain that? We're going to have Marcus Pittman on next week.

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Yeah. Marcus Pittman's going to be on. It's really just a Christian streaming service. So they're not producing anything right now, but they're trying to make

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Christian movies not suck. That's their tagline. So what does that mean? They're just trying to get out into the public, quality

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Christian production, quality Christian documentaries and stories and movies. So I can't wait.

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Of course, Marcus used to work for us. We love him. And yeah, he's going to be on next week. So what are you going to do with them? So yeah,

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Marcus asked me if we would create some content for it. And so I was thinking, yeah, sure.

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Like, we can pull together a video. And I was kind of thinking like what we've done before. All of our stuff is pretty short.

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You know, one to two minutes. And he was like, well, why don't you do a series of six?

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And why don't you make it longer? So that's what we're doing. So the series is called

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Exposed, and there are six shorts. So they're still going to be like five, six minutes, but it's quite a bit longer than anything we've done before.

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And each episode kind of takes on different aspects, different things related to abortion that people really don't talk about.

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Even within the pro -life movement, things they don't talk about. So for example,

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IVF, we're doing one on IVF. Oh, good. We're doing fetal harvesting.

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We're doing post -abortion trauma and regret.

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And yeah, so just kind of things that no one really talks about.

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And definitely nobody's really put out any media material on.

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Right, that's excellent. Yeah, because those are things that need to be talked about. I cannot tell you how many times I've had somebody at the mill say like, why aren't you at the

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IVF clinic? I said, well, it can't be two places at once. But that's definitely a mission that we need to get more involved with.

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So that's exciting. Everything that you guys put out, I'm generally telling you, I would tell you if it were not the case.

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But it's really excellent. It's just so well thought out and so well produced. The animation's great.

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I love. Yeah. That's exciting. Super exciting. All right. So we're going to do a little bit of segment before we let you go.

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It's going to be called answering stupid questions with Laura Clawson. Yay. Okay, you ready? Okay.

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So the first one, and we hear all these constantly. We just want to get your opinion, your view of them.

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Number one is you just want to strip women of their rights, right? Yeah. Of course, that's what we want to do.

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No. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, that's so frustrating because no, I'm not trying to strip away rights, but a woman's rights end where a baby's rights start.

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There's two people. So you can't just say it's all about women's rights when you're dealing with two people and one of them is a baby.

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That's awesome. That's exactly right. What gives you the right to tell a woman what they should do with their bodies?

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How many times do you think you've heard that? A lot. That's an incalculable number. So what gives you that right?

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Well, I'm not like, do whatever you want with your body. Don't rip apart someone else's body.

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Like, you don't get pregnant by accident. Like, we know how this happens.

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So, you know, use your body in the ways that you want.

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But if you're having sex, pregnancy is a natural result of having sex.

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So, you know, it's just about not killing people. Right. Yeah. That's simple, right?

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Yeah. Why should women be forced by the government to give birth?

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Oh, my goodness. This is why we made that Handmaid's Tale video. I don't know if you saw that one.

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I know. Yeah, we did. Yeah. So because the government's not forcing anything on you.

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The same thing to the previous question. Like, it's your choice what you do with your body.

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You don't get pregnant by accident. And, you know, if you do nothing, the natural progression there is that you are pregnant and then you have a baby.

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If you do something which is murdering the baby, then you're not pregnant anymore. You know, and then you know what is next.

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But what about the case of rape? I'm not. Hold up. Not downplaying rape.

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It's awful and abominable. And rapists should get the death penalty. But what's your response to that?

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Because that always comes next. Yeah. And so and of course, like, interestingly, it's such a small percentage of abortions that are because of rape.

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And so that's why people say we need abortion because of rape. But really. And also,

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I have never. Hmm. Maybe one, maybe one woman that I've ever talked to who had been raped, who wanted to abort.

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They don't want that. Even just like from a physical standpoint, like you've just been through this horrible trauma physically.

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They don't want to go into an abortion clinic. Right. And go through a physical trauma like they just really don't.

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And then also the baby is what, to be honest, like saves saves them.

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Right. Helps helps them through what happened. Because it's my one my one friend said it's the kind of like the gift that came from the disaster.

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Right. As she describes her daughter. Right. It's like that that light that came out of such an evil act.

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Right. Right. And I've explained this to two women that have said this to me. It's like the trauma of rape is not undone by murdering the child who's innocent.

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Yeah. So and also like people who say that don't understand the trauma that comes to a woman who aborts.

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Right. And so it's not it's not an answer. Yeah. It doesn't unrape the woman.

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Right. There's nothing good for her except add more hurt. So just compounds her misery. Right. Exactly.

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Yeah. Why should a clump of cells receive the same rights as humans out of the womb?

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I really wish that we would have had a hands made outfit for you while you're asking these questions. I'd make a really ugly hands made shirt.

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What's your big beard? Did you hear that last one?

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Yeah. Yeah. Clump of cells. Yeah. Because that's not a clump of cells.

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It's a human being from the moment of conception. Just based if you want to go by science, it's based on DNA.

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It's a new human individual. And I think to now the pro choice or pro abortion movement, whatever you want to call them.

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Then they're kind of ditching that clump of cells thing because we all know it's not a clump of cells. Like now they're to the point of saying, yeah, it's a human, but it's okay to kill them because.

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So, yeah, the clump of cells thing is kind of old. Yeah, it is.

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But we hear it constantly. We're like, gosh, this has been like disproved 40 years ago and you're still bringing this up.

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Yeah. But we do hear it constantly. So the babies are not going to feel anything or remember anything.

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Why? So why should you even care? They're not going to know what they're going through. Yeah. Well, and so then that comes down to, it's a human being and God created that person.

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And God created that person to be here. And that person has purpose and it's not right.

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Who are we to kill that person? Exactly. Exactly. Okay. Last one.

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Why don't you just get a job and worry about yourself? Yeah. Proverbs 24, 11.

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I mean, we're told we're told to go and rescue those who are being led to death.

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That's right. Stumbling toward slaughter. So it's just a straight up command from the

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Bible. And where else in our countries are people being slaughtered daily at the abortion mills?

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So we're called to do this. Yeah. It's the right thing to do. I loved how your answers were just so simple.

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You know, there is no good argument to destroy innocent human beings in the womb. There's nothing out there and they're so easy to respond to.

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So people who get in this fight, who feel like, oh, I need to know a whole lot. You really don't. It's just basic science, basics of the scriptures.

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It's really - Love your neighbor. Yeah, love your neighbor. Jesus says, if you love me, you'll obey my commands. And then he says, rescue those who are being delivered to death.

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Be a voice for the voiceless. Do justice. All of these things. So it's very, very simple for you who are saying, oh,

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I have to just know it all before I get engaged. No, you don't. You do need to know and we're here to help you out with that.

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But the biggest thing is just to get involved. That's what we need to do. So before we let you tell us how we can help you, you have anything else you want to ask?

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No, I just thank you for your time and I'm encouraged just hearing your story and all that you're up against.

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And, you know, it will give me an even deeper appreciation for your work when I see you, all your stuff pop up online.

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And I just want to encourage you to stick in there, you know, keep on fighting the good fight. And we'll be praying for you.

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And we're just so, so thankful for all that God is doing through you, Laura. Truly.

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Yeah, absolutely. So where can people go to help you and just find out what you're doing, watch your stuff? Well, choicefortwo .com

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and it's choice 42, like the number 42 .com. We're on all social media platforms, either choice for two or me,

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Laura Clausen. So that's kind of the main way to keep up on what we're doing.

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Yeah. Yeah, cool. Hey, thanks so much for coming on. Yeah, we mean it from the bottom of our hearts.

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You've been such a blessing to us and you were always in our prayers and we are here for you for however we can help you.

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We just want to come alongside of you and just join you in what you're doing.

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So thanks so much for your time. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. We'll talk to you soon.

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Thank you, Laura. Bye bye. Bye bye. Well, guys, that was awesome. I love her.

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It's such an awesome picture and illustration and a human form of what

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God can do to someone and through someone really who just simply answers the call.

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She's like, I don't know. I didn't know what I was doing. Yeah. I just knew I had to do something. Yeah. I knew this is what

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God commanded me to do. And so she stepped out in faith and God has used her faith to save babies, to bring truth, the light, to bring the gospel out.

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But we can, any of us can do it. Right. And that reminds me of John, John Barrows, who's up in years and he's just like,

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I gotta go and I just gotta stand out in front of the mill. Yeah. That's all he did. And God has saved thousands of babies.

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I know. And for you, the big takeaway, hopefully from this episode, is step out in faith.

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No longer just be a pew warmer. And I don't say that to harm or to attack.

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I've been there. But our Christianity is much, much more than just going to church and then going home and living out your life and just kind of being a receiver of the things of God, not being a doer.

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Like the scriptures command us, don't just be a hearer, be a doer. Obey the law of God. Right. So what

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I want to encourage you and plead with you is get out there like, like Laura did, join a crisis or crisis pregnancy center, go to endabortionnow .com,

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push the contact button, say, I want to get involved. I want my church to get involved. As the Christian church rises up in numbers, then we will see the

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God's enemies put under his feet. That's right. So what we got to do. Yeah. And you know what I was thinking too?

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God bless the laborer who had that graphic image that she saw as a young kid. Like God put that person there with the graphic image.

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Little Laura Klassen as a kid saw it, was affected by it, and then began to fight for the pre -born even in school.

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It just gives me kind of chills to think about, you know, all that God put into place and to show, you know, as much as we hate looking at graphic images,

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I hate it. It's super sad. It's so sad. But they're necessary because it exposes evil and it stirs the heart.

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And so God bless that laborer who did that. Yeah. And that's, that's so cool. Cause sometimes

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I've been out there, you know, a lot with a sign and you're like, you watch car after car going, you watch middle finger after middle finger, you know, the women waddling out of the abortion clinic.

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You're like, what is, what good is this? What are we achieving? And God uses faithfulness.

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God used his faithfulness in the form of that explicit sign. She saw it. And now look at all the babies.

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So as we go out serving God, nothing is in vain. He uses every single aspect for his glory and to one degree or another in big ways and small ways.

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Yeah. Amen. But yeah, she's, she's such a blessing. Go, if you haven't yet, go check out all the videos on Choice for Two.

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All of them are excellent. You'll just be blessed by them. And as always, we always ask, go on to our, our social media stuff and give us a like and review if you can.

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And yeah, we got some more exciting stuff coming up. We got Marcus with lore coming up. We got debates and we are going to tackle the flat earthers.

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It's just forthcoming. We've had a lot of stuff kind of transpire in our family life that we kind of have to deal with that just to navigate around.

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So just be praying for us, just for strength. It's just something that we got to do. But it is kind of affecting our schedule a little bit, but those things are forthcoming.

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And yeah, it's going to be a cool close out to the year. I haven't asked him yet and I haven't even asked you, but I really want to see if Juan Riasco will come on again because he moved.

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Oh, he totally will. Yeah. He can't, he moved back to Chicago. If you're watching this Juan, why don't you come on again.