Jan. 22, 2016 Show with Andrew Beckwith on “The Homosexual Agenda Against Christian Adoption”

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Christian Adoption and the Homosexual Agenda

And I am looking forward with great anticipation to today's program. It's a very vital subject. It's a subject that many of our listeners, even those who are fully aware of the fact that the leftist and homosexual agenda has really made incredible and very disturbing headway into the government and public square of the United States and the world.

Many of you still fully aware of that may be shocked by what we are discussing today. We are discussing primarily the homosexual agenda against Christian adoption. My guests today are Andrew Beckwith, who is the president of the Massachusetts Family Institute.

And we also have an anonymous guest. This is the only the second time since conducting the Iron Sharpens Iron broadcast going way back to 2006. This is the only the second time I've ever had an anonymous guest.

But you'll find out why he is remaining anonymous as this program proceeds. But first of all, let me welcome for the very first time to Iron Sharpens Iron, Andrew Beckwith of the Massachusetts Family Institute.

Thank you for having me on the show. It's an honor.

Well, let our listeners know, please, Andrew, what exactly the Massachusetts Family Institute is and what you do.

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Yes. Yes, I am very familiar with Alliance Defending Freedom, because back in the early 2000s, I think it might have been the late 90s. But I orchestrated a live public debate between a world renowned Christian apologist, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, and Barry Lynn, the president of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

And the issue was, is homosexuality compatible with biblical Christianity? And Mr. Lynn lost that debate very obviously and very badly. In fact, he knew this was on a Christian and biblical theme. He did not even bring a Bible to the debate.

He merely brought a yellow legal pad with some notes scribbled on it. And when he realized how badly he had been defeated in this debate, he used his final summation time to yell at the audience and scold them and accused everybody of hate and bigotry and so on.

And basically, what had happened was when Dr. White started making the video available of this debate, Mr. Lynn threatened a lawsuit. And I called our good friends at Alliance Defending Freedom, which used to be the Alliance Defense Fund, as you know, and they represented represented James White.

And the Mr. Lynn and his organization were shocked that we were willing to proceed with a court case on this. And when when Mr. Lynn and his colleagues did not show up at the hearing, the judge threw out the whole matter and gave Dr. White legal freedom to distribute the video.

Very good. So I am very thankful for that organization. Let me turn now to our anonymous guest. And if you could please let our listeners know why you are participating on this program and.

Why you are remaining anonymous to the best that you can reveal, obviously. Yeah, we just want like a lot of and I'm going to announce our email address if anybody would like to join us on the air with a.

Question or comment. Our email address is Chris Ornzen at gmail .com. And if you have a matter that you want to ask about that is personal or private, and you would like to remain anonymous, just like our guest, you may feel free to do so.

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Chris Ornzen at gmail .com. So I'm assuming Andrew and anonymous, that the case that the those involved in homosexual activism, and their political allies, I'm assuming the case they are trying to make against Christians and those with conservative and or biblical moral values, they are trying to make the case that it is child abuse in some fashion, to teach children something that they deem to be hateful, and bigoted and wicked, if you will.

You're absolutely.

State Power, Foster Care, and the Reversal of Cultural Norms

Now, lest are some of our listeners think that this is just sensationalism and scare tactics. And, you know, I often hear liberals laugh when conservatives make claims about the government's control over our personal lives as Christians and are, you know, incrementally robbing us of our rights.

They laugh at the notion of Obama trying to take all our guns away and all that kind of thing. What is actually happening, in reality, involving those who are Christians and those who have biblical morals, in regard to adoption and foster parenting, and the the state and the agencies that are regulating those things?

Standing over said, Yes, they ugly, they didn't say anything, even get the letter that you're out on the street, if anybody has a ring of children, the main issues of video, they said, Well, what about people any policy that for transgenders for being so many hateful things are being done to people are just completely disheartening.

Yeah, it is like an episode I recall of Seinfeld many years ago of the bizarro world where everything seems to be the exact opposite of what it's supposed to be. And the fact that most of those listening to this broadcast, I'm sure lived in a day when to adopt a child and be an open and active participation in homosexuality would have barred you from adopting a child.

Now, if you speak in against it in any fashion, you're in jeopardy of not having that privilege. It's just insane. Yes. Now, I have heard from people such as Dr. Al molar of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, and other people who have had dialogue with homosexual activists who, who have publicly spoken at conferences on this issue of homosexual rights, and so on.

And they have written about the, the dilemma that Christians face in our day and age, they will say these, these Christian individuals that I've spoken with and interviewed, that there are a number of people who are involved in a homosexual rights movement, who you don't see a lot or hear a lot in the public arena or in the media, who some of them are actually themselves opposed to homosexuals adopting children, not that they necessarily would be in favor of a legal mandate prohibiting them from adopting, but they see probably probably recognizing when they were growing up, that they had a loving mother or a loving father that they cherish to this day and adore, and would never want to imagine their lives without one or the other.

And homosexual marriage, same sex marriage is a by design, you are defrauding a child of the privilege of having either a mother or a father, depending upon what gender the two parents happen to share in a same sex marriage.

I mean, do you hear more of that, that even some homosexuals may find this whole movement, trying to bar Christians from adopting children ridiculous, and even who may have their own hesitant views about two people of the same gender adopting a child?

Yeah, you do hear some...

African-American Conservative Voices and Corporal Punishment

Yeah, just like a lot of conservative African American individuals, the pro-life movement, for instance, among African Americans seems to be largely avoided in the media, although there is a growing number of those who are given the opportunity to demonstrate and proclaim their views.

A lot of it because of Fox News. I don't, I don't agree with everything Fox News says or does, but at least that's one thing that you are, you're hearing and seeing more people who are African American speaking in favor of conservative and biblical moral issues.

That also brings to mind, actually, the spanking of children, because it seems that every time I've seen or heard this issue talked about in the public arena, African Americans seem to be across the board, no matter how liberal they may be otherwise, they seem to be very much in favor of corporal punishment in the home, and they know that that was a very valuable thing in their own lives, if you care to comment on that.

Yeah, I agree with Andrew that not enough Christians are a myth, and it only in the next ten years...

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And we are talking about the homosexual agenda against Christian adoption. If you care to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name and your city and state and country of residence. And you may remain anonymous if it makes you feel more comfortable due to circumstances you're involved in. How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are actually being denied the privilege of adoption and foster parenting because of their views against the sin of homosexuality and also their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are actually being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views against the sin of homosexuality and also their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are actually being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views against the sin of homosexuality and also their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are actually being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views against the sin of homosexuality and also their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views against the sin of homosexuality and also their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views against the sin of homosexuality and also their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views against the sin of homosexuality and also their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views against the sin of homosexuality and also their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views against the sin of homosexuality and also their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views against the sin of homosexuality and also their views in favor of foster parenting because of their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

How many states are you aware of that have been so overcome by liberalism in their local government that these things are occurring, where Christians are being denied the privilege of foster parenting because of their views in favor of spanking their children who are gay?

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arns. And if you just tuned us in, we are discussing the homosexual agenda against Christian adoption. And we have a couple of guests on the air discussing this very vital and disturbing issue.

Andrew Beckwith, who's the president of Massachusetts Family Institute, is with us. And we also have an anonymous guest for the second time on Iron Sharpens Iron. And it is because of circumstances that this guest is involved in that it is nothing but wisdom that demands that he remain anonymous at this point.

And we hope at some future point he can truly reveal his identity and the reason that he remained anonymous today. But the email address again is ChrisArnson at gmail .com. ChrisArnson at gmail .com. We do have Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who asks, Are you aware of any situations where parents had their children removed from the home that they either already adopted or were their own biological children, but the children were removed because of the parents' views against homosexuality?

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What was the disorder? What was the nature of it?

Mitochondria digesting. Basically a foster kid. Sick.

This is just so twisted I can barely restrain my vocabulary right now. You know, it's so interesting that the liberal agenda that was dominant in the media for most of my life, I was born in the early 60s and by the 70s when liberalism really started to make great headway into the media, leaps and bounds.

The agenda used to be, and I'm sure you guys recognize this, that the liberal concept was it's so horrible of people to put a gay label on a young boy because he likes to play with dolls, and a young girl because she likes to use her brother's trucks in the backyard.

And that was considered horrible. It was so horrible to call a young boy gay because he likes ballet and things like that. Now it seems that the reverse is happening. The liberals are saying, he's gay, look at him, he's playing with dolls and he likes ballet.

And the girl's a lesbian, look at her, she's playing with trucks in the backyard. And she likes building tree forts and she's a tomboy and likes sports. It seems like the leftist rhetoric is reversing itself on this.

Am I right here, am I delusional?

Protecting Children, Exposing Abuse, and the Media’s Double Standard

You're right, tragically, or maybe that same tomboyism is the same way. Again, they don't want to just be left alone. They don't want to merely have the freedom to do what they want. And I also think that all someone has to do, whether it be a doctor or a teacher, if they file a 51-A, if they file a charge of abuse against a parent, I said to somebody when it was happening, I said, I would go out of my mind, lay my life down and literally legitimately came up and give it back.

We're talking as a God shaking the church. Voice of reason. We're foster caring and taking care of children. Flourishing and you watch their love between them as a husband and wife and all the nation happens and they start second-guessing themselves, like what are we doing wrong?

You know, I've heard from some law enforcement officials.

That when police officers are called to respond to a crime, that one of the most dangerous places they can ever be called to their active duty to is a domestic violence call in a home. And I have heard that that multiplies many times over when you're talking about two men who are involved in a lover's quarrel.

And domestic violence ensues. Now, I don't know how, if that's just typical across the board everywhere in the country or everywhere in the world, but I'm wondering, are parents or should I say are two men or two women who are acting as parents of an adopted child, are they being sheltered in ways in regard to prosecution from their own abuse of children?

I mean, you were just mentioning how easy it is for God-fearing and Bible-believing Christian parents to be successfully prosecuted and persecuted for charges of abuse of children in the home when all they were doing was obeying the scriptures and demonstrating genuine love.

But what about the reverse? You know of parents, and I hate to use the word parents, but those acting as parents who are of the same gender, have there been incidents of them getting away with genuine abuse of children?

And it's also sheltered, as I was saying.

I happen to know firsthand at least that there have been horrific acts of violence.

Perpetrated against Christians by homosexuals that the news media refused to recognize and publicize. One in particular that developed into a book that perhaps you two may recognize, maybe you don't, but there's a book called When the Wicked Seize a City, and it's written by Chuck McElhaney, who was at the time pastor of the First Presbyterian Church in San Francisco, which is an Orthodox Presbyterian congregation.

And back in the late 70s, early 80s, that church excommunicated an unrepentant homosexual who was the church organist. And when the church organist sued the church and lost, the homosexual activists in San Francisco unleashed their fury, starting with hundreds of threats of violence left on answering machines of the pastor and his wife, finally consummating in their home being set on fire while the pastor and his wife and children were asleep in bed.

And they escaped, thankfully, because God in his providence woke up Pastor Chuck so he could see the flames reflecting on his window. And they escaped without harm. But the news media, the secular news media, none of them covered this story.

And I didn't even hear about it until I saw it on the Christian media and read Pastor McElhaney's book. But it's just amazing that if that had been the reverse, if that had been a group of professing Christians like the nuts from the God hates fags group or some other group that is obviously not Christian in reality, but if they had unleashed their fury on a homosexual couple and set their house on fire, you would hear about that on the news, on television globally.

And you would hear about it often. So there's just an obvious bias that the media has. Even as you were saying, Anonymous, as you were saying earlier, that we are not being asked to merely accept those involved in homosexuality as equals.

We are being demanded to celebrate them. And one of the things that makes that very evident is even on the news, on the secular news channels, whenever you see the announcement of a celebrity marrying somebody of the same gender, the newscaster will always have a beaming smile of approval on their face.

They never report this event neutrally just as a news story. There is always the signs of glee and approval behind it whenever this happens, even to the point where many newscasters congratulate the couple on their marriage.

So it's just blatantly obvious that it is not a myth invented by conservatives that the media has a liberal agenda. I had heard that Bob Costas objected to Bruce Jenner winning that. Are you aware of that and did he stick to his guns on that?

I did not hear that.

I'm not saying that Bob Costas objected to Bruce Jenner winning it because he is a so-called transgendered individual, but just because he recognized that there were people that were more worthy of it, that got passed by on it.

But I'll have to look that up and verify that. Before we go to the break, I'd like to ask you a question of a listener, so then you could ponder on it and answer it when we return. CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York says,.

What's your advice on how to respond when a family member identifies as being a homosexual and he or she and their partner adopt a child and successfully bring that child into the home? How are you as Christians supposed to respond to that family member?

Obviously, if you go overboard in your opposition to that, you may wind up getting yourselves cut off from that child's life who needs Christian influence more than ever. But you could think about that during the break and respond when we come back.

And this is our final break. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own, this is your last opportunity. We've got about a half hour left, and the email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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And we are taking your emails with questions at chrisarnzen at gmail .com. And if you could, Andrew, and anonymous, comment on our guest CJ in Lindenhurst, New York's question on advice on how to deal with a family member who is actively involved in homosexuality and has adopted a child or children.

Yeah, I think that you can't. That's why there's multi-dominant love, and that's where I want to encourage. Why are we not starting there? If they can't start at the joy of their life, then to try to answer the question, try to avoid the issue, I'm saying it's a weighty issue that the church needs to use much with the secular.

Homosexuality is not the only sin to be wise.

We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who says, As a regular listener of Iron Sharpens Iron, I have noticed that you have had guests on who have a different opinion with each other on the role of the church in the political arena.

While all Christians I've heard you interview say that individual Christian people have every right and duty to be in some fashion involved in the political arena, if it even means at the very least voting.

However, you have had people on that disagree about the church's function as an institution. Some even very conservative and theologically faithful pastors and leaders believe that it is not the role and function of the local church as an institution to be giving their voice to these political issues.

What are your guests' opinions on this?

Well, what is your view about a pastor or church supporting specific candidates?

I understand that that's a violation of tax-exempt status, but people do those kinds of things anyway, and it seems for some reason the liberal African-American churches even openly advertise and televise their support of certain candidates, and they have no penalty subsequently for some reason.

But what is your view on churches and pastors even getting behind a pulpit and saying, I think you should throw the lever for this guy, and so on?

Well, I guess the problem that I see in that is that when a pastor is opening up.

The inerrant and infallible Word of God from the pulpit, and his main function is to teach the whole counsel of God and to preach the gospel, and of course to disciple those who are in his flock,. When you have an endorsement of a candidate who he doesn't even know personally, for the most part, you're going to have what could be a very embarrassing situation later on when this person turns out to be possibly a fraud or a horrendous elected official that really does great damage to our nation.

And people remember that you were vociferously and zealously promoting this individual hand-in-hand with the scriptures and the gospel, and it may do damage to the reputation of Christ's church. Just if you could respond to that.

Yeah, and I can't talk about the Lord. And yet, standing around the water cooler, you have people talking about pornography, you have people talking about drugs and illegal activities, and that's okay.

So once we've allowed them to do that, how are they going to hear it if we're not bringing it to them?