Eric Luppold: Through the Fire, Sacrifice to Moloch, and some Local Politics #238

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Another episode another day another week I'm doing all right this week. We sat down with Eric Leupold. He is an Author he's a teacher. He's a pilot and the Coast Guard. He hosts governed by God a podcast and it was fun.

It was a fun discussion. You're watching the video right now. I'm holding up the book through the fire. This is a fiction book based in around the 1400s I'm sorry, I say 1400s, but BC and It's a cool book two chapters in he sent it to me and he's using fiction to really tell the story of a Canaanite woman as the Israelites are coming into the promised land and her struggle with trying to Rationalize the customs of sacrificing her firstborn to Moloch and it really parallels some of the stuff that's going on right now in the abortion industry and in the United States with the celebration of death and I always love when and we talked about this a little bit in the Episode.

I always love when we take art. And we use it to glorify God by really focusing on those biblical characteristics truth justice mercy beauty revenge bitterness, right all those things that point us back towards needing a Savior and towards Christ and I think that book does a very good job of doing that so When we had Eric on we talked about the book a little bit why he wrote it.

We got into some politics. He covers local politics on his podcast. I'm involved in local politics. So that was fun. It was all-around good.

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So I appreciate it. But I'm not gonna go on too long here. We've got a beautiful Michigan day we recorded today. School is is home schools back and swing for my family early morning Bible studies back and swing.

Our small groups at church starting up. That's awesome. So it's kind of a busy time volleyball for the girls. Oliver starts Basketball pretty soon. So this is a very busy time for our family, but I really enjoy the transitioning of the seasons.

Especially in Michigan. We're in a four season state. You know the allure of those states like in Florida or Texas which I'll be in Texas next month. You go. Oh, man, it must be nice just to be kind of warm all the time.

You know, especially when it's like 12 degrees here in Michigan and there's a foot of snow on the ground. But then again boy this time of year for us Midwesterners where it's starting to get a little cooler at night.

The bonfires in the backyard are a little crisper you get a little closer to them. And then you get into winter with all the winter sports and fun, I don't know I just love the seasons. I really do and I saw a quote somewhere Can't remember who said it but basically I'm I'm a paraphrase it but basically said, you know when we curse the weather.

Oh, it's too hot. Oh, it's too cold. Why is it raining? You know, God created that weather for us. We're really cursing him. So keep that at the top of your mind, too. Maybe you're not in a state where seasons are changing like here in Michigan.

But you know when you're supposed to go golf that day and it's raining. And you go. Oh, man, I can't go golfing or whatever it is the Lord sent that rain and it's going to feed our crops. And gonna provide food and sustenance for your family.

So be grateful for rain shine. Wind snow and the leaves changing. I wrote an article for Living stones Tim Murphy. He's been on the podcast before and Just talking about how when I walk out back in the fall and I see that maple tree that I have and it goes from Beautiful green to fire red and orange and I look at that and I go.

Wow, that means the Tree is dying. The leaves are dying. Not the tree the leaves being. You know withheld the chloroform or the chlorophyll they need. But even in death even in the cycle of death and sin where a tree has to shed its leaves and then regrow regrow in Spring it's aesthetically pleasing and it's beautiful and I can look at it and give God glory.

So That's my two minutes on the weather. I don't know how I got on that. But in any way air club loophole through the fire. He's coming up next on the podcast. Enjoy guys. So we want to talk about through the fire, which is your new book.

But before we do can you give us a little origin story of yourself? Maybe Where you come from Married kids any of that stuff maybe a little bit of the testimony and let the listeners know a little bit more about you.

Eric Luppold’s Background, Military Service, and Conversion

Sure. Absolutely. So I was born in Reading, Pennsylvania and grew up in both, Pennsylvania and Maryland and then entered the ROTC program at college went there for engineering down to Embry-Riddle University in Florida.

And after that joined the Air Force became a B -1 bomber pilot and Was first stationed in Texas. I got married had my first child in Texas and then got reassigned to fly the MQ -9 the Reaper the Remotely piloted aircraft and so it got sent to Vegas.

Had my second child in Vegas and then joined the Pennsylvania National Guard and now I live Here in eastern, Pennsylvania. Been here for about 10 years or so had my third child here I teach and also have been an elder at my local Baptist Church.

I grew up kind of in a Christian home I would say but I didn't really accept the Lord until around 16 years old got baptized and then from from there on just Became more reformed in my theology. So there you go.

So what are you doing right now teaching? What do you teach?

Well, I I teach Sunday school adult Sunday school for my church, but I'm full-time with the Pennsylvania National Guard. So that is my Monday through Friday job a lieutenant colonel in the in the Air National Guard.

So what do you do in the National Guard?

I'm a pilot. Yeah. No, I'm a pilot for the MQ -9 the the Reaper I guess a lot of times commonly known as the drones. Yeah. Okay, and I'm also a staff officer so I work. I work for the wing commander and Shuffle papers and have meetings and write emails and make phone calls and things like things like that.

Okay, very interesting. And you said you became more reformed in your theology. I'm always interested in that journey as I grew up you know in a non-denominational church a little more legalistic than a little more Pentecostal and another church in my teens and.

Then actually read the Bible through and went oh my goodness these doctrines of grace or what the Bible say. What was your journey like that when you say became a little more reformed? Yeah, absolutely.

I mean I was saved in a freewill Baptist Church in Maryland. Altar calls every Sunday, you know come as you are. Every every Sunday. And at first I was kind of our minion. I believed you could lose your salvation.

Absolute freewill. All the things. But then what really changed me was in my first assignment in Texas I met a guy I'll never forget him chaplain galleon. He was a captain he was a former Baptist minister and we just walked through the book of Romans.

And Once we got through Romans 9 I could no longer hold to the Arminian perspective.

You know, what's funny about that is I was looking at shirts this morning. And I almost put on for the podcast our wine. I'm dying. I'm Romans 9. I'm sure I think that would have been great. You can find that at DMW podcast .com free shameless plug there.

It's a popular one. We have mugs, too. But yeah, that would've been good. Romans 9 will do it for you. But then you start reading through the rest of not only the New Testament but Old Testament and you start to see the continuity of the sovereignty of God of his election of his Predestination of his sovereign plan and will over his created beings.

His love his justice all those things really start to come into focus Once you have that kind of mindset that understanding that systematic theology. So yeah, that's cool. I'm always interested in that.

So man pilot In the armed forces Having kids Baptist and now an author. Is this your first foray into Writing a book or do you have some other stuff under your belt that I don't know.

Writing Fiction, Idolatry, and the Book *Image of Gold*

I have actually I have two other books. So I wrote a lot. I think the first one was a fiction novel back in 20 I want to say 14 or 15. It was kind of like a futuristic fiction novel where It was illegal to to share the gospel with your children in the United States so that was a I enjoyed that book writing that book and then I I Dove into some nonfiction.

So in 2019, I wrote a book called image of gold basically talking about how our idolatry leads to a tyrannical tyrannical, you know political situation. Really just just everything kind of goes back traces back to Idolatry and that's kind of where we end up with with statism and things like that.

So I've been speaking against you know, I work for the government. You know trying to kill the beast from the inside.

No same here. I'm very outspoken about Elected officials and politicians. I haven't been a duly elected County Commissioner since 2016. So kind of the same thing you're kind of within that system and you're trying to reform it from within.

So from pilot to Author had you always been interested in writing and was it something you said? Well when I get time I'll do that. Or did you try early on and then go? Hey, I've actually. Sometimes you know in the arts you got to support a family and it's not not the most steady income, you know.

You know, I'm trying to put it delicately but you know, I was a musician in my 20s and you're grinding it out. So. Yeah, so where did that come from the writing part of it? Have you always not a creative?

I I don't know where it came from. Honestly, like I I Enjoyed learning. I enjoyed reading Reading Calvin's Institutes rushed uni all the all the books. Fiction nonfiction a Lord of the Rings. I enjoy reading but then I guess in the in the 20 teens or so I decided to start writing and then soon after that launched a podcast Called governed by God and and so I just really enjoy.

Now I want to do more writing continue reading but also speaking podcasting so I guess most of my life was more about learning and now I actually want to try to teach and I teach in the Military, like I've been in a an instructor pilot for oh my goodness.

I mean 12 years or so. So It's aside from teaching people how to how to employ missiles drop bombs things like that. Now. I want to teach other things.

Yeah, very good. So yeah the book we're talking about here and if you're watching on YouTube or anywhere else you can get the video you can see through the fire. Holding that up there. I do have a copy of and I appreciate you sending me that I'm a few chapters in I want to talk about.

Really? Maybe you can give us a synopsis of it. Don't give away anything. You don't want to give away, but I'm always interested in the difference between Art that people say it's Christian blank, you know, it's Christian rap.

It's Christian novels to where the difference of It being art and the Christian the person who made it as Christian. Does that make sense? Like I I've talked about this at length on the podcast to where you know in general Simpson has a great quote to about music and art say it is art and music in the seventh and the Diminished chord belong to Satan because if it does we'll go down to hell and plunder it back all for the glory God.

Meaning we create things to reflect the beauty of God. It's for our enjoyment, but it also glorifies God when we make beautiful things. And I love books music arts plays anything that. That isn't Specifically grotesque just to be grotesque.

But has has defining features in it that you can see the principles and characters have got truth justice beauty. Right, even revenge. We just watched me and my family just rewatched counter Monte Cristo with Caviezel from.

Yep. And the book is better, of course because I'll always tell you that the books always better guys read the book first. But if you you know, you don't have eight to ten hours, you have two hours watch the movie.

It's good. Good adaptation for the most part, but we love those movies because sure it deals with some sinful things revenge and bitterness and right and anger. But there's also truth and justice and love and beauty and I love when Christians make art like that.

It doesn't have to be overtly you have to say the word Jesus or Christ every two minutes, right? But you're taking deep themes that are biblical that are characters of God that are in this reality. In which he he made and then putting it down into your case written format.

That was a very long intro for this book. But can you I'll let you talk here. Can you tell me through the fire? Can you tell me what this what this book is about and kind of where you got the idea for it?

Through the Fire, Moloch, and the Spiritual Roots of Abortion and Transgenderism

Yeah, no, it's it's basically like a five-year long project I it's slow and steady after I finished my nonfiction book image of gold I I was really diving into idolatry and what that looked like. What what is the connection between Old Testament paganism and idolatry and what we see going on today and Especially when when kovat came and you start seeing what's going on in the public schools.

You see the rise of transgenderism. Or abortions always been or always been around ever since you know I was born essentially and I always kind of made the connection between abortion and the worship of Moloch but I only started recently making more connections such as between Ashera the worship of Ashera and Transgenderism and then several books came out that kind of helped me along the way.

One was the rise and triumph of the modern self by Karl Truman. Another one was return of the gods by Jonathan Kahn. That one was particularly insightful and very moving but but even Other things not not books like the haunted cosmos podcast.

Just seeing the spiritual nature and the demonic behind so many things. And so then I started doing a deep dive into the historical sources. I was reading dozens of articles on Canaanite worship practices the Ammonites the Amorites reading mythologies like the mythology of Baal and Ashera the epic of Baal the descent of Inanna who's another name for Ashera and there's a lot of Nonsense to comb through with all that with all those documents, but it all started coming together and I wanted to do a fiction.

Historical fiction. I wanted to be as faithful to scripture and to the historical record as I could. But then tell a story of essentially a pagan Ammonite family. Living in the land of Canaan right before Israel is entering the land.

So you have this scenario where these these people they're they're worshiping Baal Ashera Moloch. They're doing horrible things. It's a time of chaos destruction and then coming judgment famine quote-unquote climate change, right the The storms the rains aren't coming insects stinging insects.

You see all that in Scripture and you know. The question is I wonder what it would have been like from their perspective the perspective of of the pagans living there. What do they think of? Israelites that coming and what do they think of all these bad things that are happening?

How would they interpret that would they interpret that as We're not honoring the pagan gods enough and that's why Baal's angry Moloch's angry Asher is angry or is it something more? So that's the story that I'm trying to tell it is a story of of judgment, but also of redemption and repentance in it.

Yeah, no, it's really good and it's good when you can take a kind of pinpoint history like that and then kind of tell a story within that and like you said staying within the guardrails of Reality of what what the historical context was, you know I have a feeling we've had a lot more people especially in the Western Christian Church have their eyes open To what abortion and transgenderism is in the last few years.

But I mean for years and years and years even as a young Christian in my 20s I you know I kind of had this ability and I think you do too and some of us do which Can be a hard road for us to be able to step back.

You know, we get so micro focused on our culture and our year and our decade in our country. And well, this is what's happening here. Sometimes you have to step back and you look at the the the historical context the entire History of the world and you can start to see things like well the spirit of murder is still alive and well today this the spirit of theft and fornication and pride and all those things that we look, you know, Two four six thousand years ago and go.

Oh, well, that was them. They were archaic. That's not our Technologically advanced society with all these medical procedures and technology and all these things. And we say but the sin is still the same we're just doing it in a different format that's why this book was interesting to me because you're gonna get a lot of readers that you're probably gonna open their eyes to kind of the the relation between abortion and child sacrifice that that a lot of people don't make that connection and even a lot of Christians people who've been sitting in church for years and Years, and they don't understand that that's exactly what we're doing with abortion.

We're sacrificing our children at the altar of Planned Parenthood or in the name of safe medical procedure. They did the exact same thing. You know, I saw a meme. Tell me what you think about this. I saw a meme and it said it might be too simple, but let me know because you wrote a book on it so and it said sacrificing your child to Molech for a for a plentiful crop is the same as Sacrifice is take having abortion at Planned Parenthood so you can have a career and I went whoa.

That hits hard man. What do you. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. So, uh Molech was a a fertility God, uh a god of life and death as well. There's a whole bunch of interesting stories in the mythologies and and Baal Asherah and Molech kind of go together.

Um, you you certainly see that in the old testament. So first kings chapter 11 where Solomon actually sets up, uh worship to these false gods and all three of them are named together and in the same. Same situation happens when uh, king. Josiah comes in and purges.

Uh the paganism in second kings 23, it's Baal Asherah and Molech are are paired together. So the mythologies talk about that. Um, but essentially yeah, you're absolutely right like Molech was a was a fertility and a harvest god.

So the idea was that if that you needed to offer Your firstborn typically your firstborn. And if you did that you would earn a better harvest a greater harvest a more bountiful harvest and You would also have greater Fertility so you'd be able to have more children.

So it was always about sacrificing your children now for an economic blessing of some kind or a future. Larger family of some kind and and really nothing is new under the sun. Uh, so what was offering to Molech?

Well today it's the same thing. It's just it's just labeled differently now it is. Well, you need to enter the workforce. You need to get an education get your master's degree get your phd. You need to do all those things and if you if you sacrifice your child now, you can have a better family.

You'll be better suited to raise, uh, your future children better if you just get rid of the current children now. And so jonathan khan, uh did a very good job showing that and then showing the issue of transgenderism and and and how ashera was an Androgynous goddess and she believed or she said that she had the power to change men into women and women into men.

Um.

And so the passage that that jonathan khan referenced from scripture that really hit me hard. Was matthew chapter 12 verses 43 through 45 and it's kind of an obscure Passage in many ways, but i'm just going to read it.

It's very short. It says jesus says this he says when the unclean spirit has gone out of a person it passes through water. This place is seeking rest but finds none. Then it says I will return to my house from which I came and when it comes it finds the house empty swept and put in order.

Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself. And they enter and dwell there and the last state of the person is worse than the first. So also will it be with this evil generation?

And khan in his book he argues that you know societies that were christian western societies the united states places like that. When they when they essentially booted god out of the public square out of their thinking.

Uh, the house was essentially empty and the void was there as a vacuum but vacuums don't stay vacuums. They get filled and so what happened is the previously cast out spirits. Now they come back and the house is empty.

It's not in developed by the holy spirit. It's not filled anymore. And so they come back in with seven times. It's worse than before and and guess what now we see on such a grand scale abortion. Transgenderism homosexuality all these things, uh, just you know scales above what the what the pagans did in ancient ancient israel.

Spiritual Warfare, Public Schools, and the Need for Christian Storytelling

Yeah, no, you're you're so right, uh. It it does there, you know, the vacuum doesn't stay a vacuum. Um, I think I heard uh, pastor toby sumter do a Sermon on this talking about when you remove god from a country.

It doesn't stay. You know, it's not like it's then neutral and you're like, oh well. We're just kind of out there floating. Something has to be worshiped. It's either going to be god or it's going to be satan.

Um, I was trying to buy me some time here to find a good jc rau quote that I just posted a few days ago, but I post too often on twitter. So it's way down in the feed because it has something like that because we're seeing.

What we're seeing us, uh, kind of embrace. Not not only embrace evil, but now celebrate it.

I mean think about the fact that at the at the democratic national convention. They they offered they offered free uh abortions. Right and the vasectomies but and and I I believe if the count was correct.

They they committed 20 25 murders at the democratic national convention like. Just how I don't understand how someone can't see has how pagan? Uh demonic, uh, that is. Um, and essentially we are we're going back to to worshiping mulloch.

Um.

Very publicly he might not be called that right now. That's not the name that he's called. But it's just a different name, but it's the same false god.

Yeah, well, I mean it's once again. We get caught up in the details. I kind of have this ability to step back and go. Well, I think it's bigger simpler things as well, too. It's it's the garden. It's satan questioning god.

Did he really say that and then us thinking? Well, yeah, we want to be like god, right? So we have now your truth instead of the truth. So everyone's their own god. They're their own moral lawgiver, right?

So you can see very easily when you don't have a standard of truth or a standard morality or objective morality. And we are our own gods and everyone has their own truth. Well, then we can do pretty much anything we want to do and we can justify it.

But not only have we embraced it but now we're to the point to where anyone who stands for righteousness is mocked and backwards and traditionalist and you know hurtful and Judgmental and all the words that they well much worse words than that that do they attach to it, right?

But um.

But yeah.

That's why this book is so interesting too because you're kind of wrestling through those things because there's a character in here. Who she's starting to? Kind of question like wait a minute. Should I sacrifice my child shouldn't.

I like I didn't get all the way through it. But that's kind of the gist right like she is in this land. She's brought up a certain way. You're supposed to do this thing and i've got this enemy at the doorstep and you start questioning what what is the.

Correct the moral the right thing to do here and that journey is is what I found interesting. Why pick that time period?

The Conquest of Canaan, Judgment on the Nations, and the Power of Story

Oh, I I picked it because I mean if you think about it. Um, you know in the book of genesis, we're told that the time of the amorite was not yet complete. Uh, and there's there was a long time period that god was very patient.

And long suffering even with the pagans that didn't have.

Scripture.

But they were still held accountable Uh for not, you know, not engaging in child sacrifice and things like that and you just have to imagine. Okay, the time is is now fulfilled the time is complete. It's time for israel to go in.

They are the instrument of god's hand of judgment upon the pagan peoples. So you're kind of seeing like a peak level of depravity In in the land of canaan just prior to israel entering the land and so it's a time of judgment.

Uh, and I just think that's a very fascinating time Uh, just to understand like what's going on there. And then of course, um, the pagan worship practices Are really not stopping. They continue. Israel sadly Uh ends up adopting those those, you know those issues as well those pagan practices and god judges them and so.

Um.

Whether whether it's the old covenant people or or whatever whatever time period you're talking about god judges.

Nations.

That that worship false gods, um, particularly as you know evil gods like baal asherah and moloch and so what makes us think that. That our country is any different. And so what i'm trying to do in this book is to use story the idea of of story to try to combat this.

There's plenty of good Non-fiction books out there. I mentioned several already. But I think a problem that we're facing is that christians are often accused of not telling good stories and uh, you know the the other side they're using stories, you know, very very.

Tugging at the heart strings heartfelt stories to defend. Abortion or women's right, right? But we need to do a better job of telling a better story. So that's what i'm trying to do in this book.

No, I like it. I think you accomplished it too through the fire with eric loophold. Um you know. It's crazy because we've kind of lost our way in kind of christian writing. I mean you go back to the tokens and the cs lewis.

Um, i'm i'm working through the space trilogy right now, uh again just just for fun. Audiobook not reading it. My wife says I have to I have to say I can't say i'm reading it if i'm listening to it. There's a difference.

I do the audio as well. Yeah but um yeah, and you look at that and then you look at even pockets of it too like I I think of like some of the christian air quote, uh, um uh fiction that uh, like doug wilson will do and he has a very Similar writing style to lewis because I you know, he kind of looks up to him uh, but there's these pockets where you're we're just writing really good stories like sometimes in the kind of more evangelical christian world i'll see like a book or a movie or a show and it's like Overtly christian and I get into it.

And the quality stinks, you know in in the storytelling and the writing is not great and you go Well for this i'd rather just have my kids Watch breaking bad with me and then we'll sit down afterwards and talk about the story arc of a great character who comes to realize Yeah, it was all about me and pride and I really liked it and um People are going are you telling your kids to watch break?

We haven't yet. My kids are 15 and 13 this month, but my point being is as a young adult even you can get a lot more out of something that is secular that has good storytelling and that actually has the I guess the It's lined up correctly on how god's universe works, right?

Like like you reap what you sow like justice will be served like, you know good and righteous things. Good and horrible and evil things are bad. And it's refreshing to see someone like you writing a book like this too where it's like it's written really well I'm only two chapters in but i'm.

And i'm no expert. Okay. I've never written a book. But I know what I like to read and i've read many many books and I can just tell the listeners i'm two chapters in and uh, it's clear that you're an experienced writer.

Um, it's very easy to read the Dialogue is great. It's not overwording and I went. Okay good. We've got a good solid book here with a good story Uh fiction, but it's going to bring out all these all these things all these characters Uh characteristics and principles that we want to see in good storytelling and that ultimately glorify god.

Um.

I don't know where I was going with that question. I was pretty much just complimenting you on the book.

No, I appreciate that.

While we're on it, where can people find it? We haven't said yet.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, it's published through whiff and stock which is a christian publisher. In oregon, you can find it on their website. Whiff is wipf and then stock common spelling. But it's also on bars and noble .com amazon .com.

So you can find it there. And I I do want to work on an audio version Self-recorded. I'll just uh, I did that in in my previous books. I want to do it for for this book. So i'm i'm going to start working on that as well.

Okay, so just for my own curiosity because I tell people too that's one of the reasons why I have a podcast. It's a little bit selfish. I just bring interesting people on and asking questions that I want to know.

Uh, how is how was that recording an audio book yourself? Um, was there a lot of ed? I mean, obviously the editing probably takes longer than the actual spoken word. That's with everything. But um, how was that process?

How did how did you find that?

It was uh, it was interesting to say the least. I mean, I I do my own podcast as well. Uh, so i'm kind of used to using, you know, the right tools and microphone and everything but you know having to Read the book and then try not to make a mistake when you're reading.

An entire chapter and if you do make a mistake. You just have to know that you're going to have to go through it and edit that out. Um, but the editing part is definitely the longest because you can make a mistake.

It's fine. You stumble over your words. Okay, fine start over again, but then Okay, now i'm read and now i'm listening through it and if an audio book is usually about like, you know Six seven eight hours long sure.

Um, so you have to you have to edit that as well. And you don't really want to speed through it. So you're going to be listening to yourself and and try not to you know, try to catch everything.

For six how many hours do you have into that?

Oh like the actual editing process i'd say probably 20 hours or so. Yeah, I bet.

You know what?

I found a little daunting because I went if I ever did an audio book or a long format because we do stuff here. We're just pre-recording but we haven't really scripted anything, right? We're just going back and forth.

It's more conversational but I found even when I do like pre. Like my pre-roll and post-roll ads and things like that and i'm talking in and i've got it right in front of me to read. You know, i'm not recording video.

It's just the audio rolls. And then even if you have to edit it and redo it you have to start thinking about speed inflection. What octave you said that in like there's a lot of stuff with speech. You just take for granted because i've done before i'll just go back and do that last segment.

I do it. I go to splice it in I go. It sounds like two different people talking. I was talking a little faster here and a little higher and now i'm a little slower and lower and it doesn't you know What I mean, so I was just asking personally because i've always had interest in going.

Well, maybe I would like to do something long format audio and just going. Oh my you know What I mean, you have to really be you're trying to read it trying not to mess up trying to make it all flow. And I know i'm probably in the minority here.

But when I listen to a really good audio book I'm actually going. Oh, wow. This audio sounds good. It's chris. I like that whoever's orating it did a really nice job.