August 22, 2024 Show with Virgil Walker on “Is It Time for DEI to Resign?”

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And that email address again is chrisarnson at gmail .com and put Pastors Luncheon in the subject line. Well, I'm absolutely thrilled to have a returning guest today, a dear friend of mine, Virgil Walker.

Virgil is vice president of ministry relations at g3men .org, the website for g3 ministries. He is co-host with Daryl Bernard Harrison of the Just Thinking podcast. He's an author and a blogger, and today we're going to be addressing the very controversial theme, is it time for DEI to resign?

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Trip and Zion Radio, Virgil.

Walker.

Hey, brother, thanks so much for having me. It's an honor to be with you. Looking forward to the conversation we're going to have today.

Amen. And we will get to the topic momentarily, but I'd like you to explain. I mean, it'd be hard to believe that anybody in my audience doesn't already know something about G3, but it just so happens that we are learning about new people joining the Iron Trip and Zion Radio audience every week.

So they may be unfamiliar with it. Why don't you tell our listeners about G3 Ministries?

Yeah, absolutely. Happy to do that. One of the things I'm learning all the time is that there are new people coming to an understanding of Reformed faith and understanding of what it means to really hold tightly to biblical sufficiency and the like.

And so as a result of that, there are new people all the time who don't necessarily know who G3 is. And so G3 stands for gospel, grace and glory. That's where we get the three G's from. It is a parachurch ministry that is designed to help to educate, encourage and equip local church pastors in sound biblical doctrine.

What started out as a conference-based ministry, the G3 conference, it was a biennial event, a biennial conference that took place annually from 2013 to about 2020 and then switched to a biennial conference.

The national conference was held here in Atlanta, Georgia. And the last few years, it's just absolutely exploded. In 2021, there were about 6 ,500 people in attendance. And in 23, we had about 8 ,300 in attendance.

And we're already planning in 25 to see somewhere between 8 ,500 and 10 ,000 in attendance. Yeah, it's gonna be fantastic. So we're excited. Can't wait, looking forward to it. Some of the pastors and preachers that folks know, the Paul Washers, the Votie Bauckhams, different Stephen Lawsons, the different preachers and speakers from around the country that are part of what we do at G3 and have been for a number of years.

We also intend to have some new faces and some new names that are on the horizon that people may be familiar with, but we'll definitely hear more and more from over the course of their time in G3 circles.

And so, man, we can't wait. We're excited. I was telling you before we got on this particular episode that we're closing in on the 12-month mark. The G3 conference, the national conference, is September the 11th through the 13th in 2025.

And as we turn the calendar on August and head into September, we'll close in on 12 months, and that's for us a big time. I mean, we plan these things 18 months out, but definitely by the 12-month mark, we're off to the races again with the planning in full swing.

So it seems like a long ways away, and it actually is not, but we're excited about that. Last thing I'll mention is, in addition to that, is we've got a conference that's actually happening, a regional conference, a smaller conference for sure, but a regional conference that's happening in Oklahoma City, in the Oklahoma City area, Mustang, Oklahoma, to be exact, that First Baptist Church there in Mustang, the cessationist conference.

And so we're extremely excited about that conference as well. Number of fantastic speakers will be aiming to look at and understand the doctrine of cessationism. And so that will be happening October 3rd through the 5th.

People will not want to miss the opportunity to join us there as well.

And just to enlighten some of our listeners who might be out of the loop, they might be new Christians, cessationism is the belief that the sign gifts that we read about in the Bible have ceased with the last apostles on the earth.

Am I correct?

Right.

Yeah, that's correct. I think one of the things that we're excited about is the opportunity to have conversations about this, particularly because I think the doctrine of cessationism is very misunderstood.

Many hear cessation or stopping, and their thought is that, oh, you guys don't believe in miracles. Absolutely we believe in the miraculous. We just understand it from a biblical context that miracles are rare.

They are rare occurrences. They are rare instances where God initiates his sovereignty, his will in ways that are clearly recognizable, clearly discernible. This is not what we're seeing, however, in charismatic churches.

You would think every Sunday at any charismatic church that you popped in that miracles, that signs and miracles and wonders are happening a dime a dozen. They are everywhere, and everyone's experiencing them.

The reality is, if we understand the miracle in a biblical sense, we would stop calling everything that we see a miracle. We believe in healing, but what we don't believe is that there's some man or woman who has some magical incantation that they can utilize at will to heal people.

If they did, my encouragement to them would be to go to the nearest hospital and clear it out so that we would know that they actually had a true signed gift. The reality is God does heal. He is in the healing business, but he heals as he wills.

The reality is all of us are appointed a day to die, and then after that, the judgment. We want to put things in proper biblical perspective. I think our time together in Oklahoma City will allow us the chance to have those kinds of conversations, make those clear distinctions, and get back to biblical truth.

Amen. And for more details on all of what Virgil just described, go to g3men .org, g3men .org, and God willing, we will repeat that later on. Also, I would like to repeat our email address, if anybody listening has a question for Virgil Walker on DEI, and DEI, for those of you who have been living under a rock or have just never watched political television, perhaps, it stands for diversity, equity, and inclusion, and is one of the main battle cries of the leftists and Marxists in our nation.

I can remember a day when people would chuckle when a conservative would call a liberal a Marxist, and these days, nobody seems to be chuckling, and there are elected officials in our government who are, at least at this point, proudly identifying as socialists, or at least downplaying the severity of its importance.

But you have titled our discussion today, which is also the title of a recent article of yours, Is It Time for DEI to Resign?, and you have seemingly referred to DEI in that title as a person rather than a thing, but if you could explain that.

Yeah, absolutely. If I would have been smart, Chris, I probably would have just used the letters and said, Is It Time for DEI to D-I-E? That would have been a better title for the article. But yeah, DEI, it's pretty much a part of the atmosphere, if you will.

It's a part of what we breathe in everywhere we go. People are having to deal with DEI policies in their places of employment. Students are having to deal with DEI being explained to them. Of course, in the school system, it's known as S-E-L.

These are letters that are interchangeable for C-R-T. It's the Marxist idea that there are those who are oppressors and the oppressed, and because of the historic ravages of racism in our country, that in order to right those wrongs, we have to engage in a unique form of discrimination.

What these programs are, are affirmative action types of programs on steroids. They go in not simply to address issues where there's underrepresentation in the areas of employment, but training is a part of this so that people can be reprogrammed to abandon whiteness as if that can be something that's obtainable.

They're encouraged to forego white privilege and to use their privilege for the purpose of allyship. This is the kind of language that gets used in circles as it relates to DEI, but I wanted to, before we jump into the current milieu, if you will, to actually go back and look at the origins of this when these programs actually got started in our country.

We understand the time of slavery and the ending of slavery in the 1800s, 1860s, and we move forward to 1875, and as early as 1875, a decade or so after the Emancipation Proclamation is instituted, we have what is the first Civil Rights Act.

It is the Civil Rights Act of 1875, and its aim and purpose was actually to protect all citizens and their civil and legal rights. It was aimed and targeted primarily for what they deemed African Americans.

I'm sure the word was Negro then or Black or what have you, but it was aimed at the marginalized population of Blacks who had faced widespread discrimination, the goal of which was to prohibit racial discrimination in public spaces like hotels and theaters and public transportation and the like.

The problem with the act as later, it would actually be thwarted, but a few years later, in fact, it would be in 1883 that the Supreme Court actually turned this legislation around and said it is unconstitutional, and the reason why the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional is for the first time it held that civil rights were required in private establishments.

So what the government now had the ability to do was to tell private citizens who had private businesses who they needed to hire and how many of so many people who looked a certain way how they needed to hire and how they needed to accommodate them.

They viewed that as an overreach of government. As it pertains to equal rights, equal rights in public spaces, for example, you think about the Montgomery bus boycott of the 1960s where Martin Luther King first gets renowned.

That made sense. Why? Because it was a city institution. The Montgomery bus was a product of the local government in the city of Montgomery in the state of Alabama, so it made sense to integrate that space because it was equally accessible to all people.

However, a person's private business at the time government could not enforce or come in, and federal government in particular, could not come in and enforce the rights for any minority ethnic group or what have you to be able to utilize your private business facilities.

You had the ability, in other words, to discriminate with regard to who could and couldn't enter your place of business. And I believe, frankly, that the Supreme Court actually in that decision and with the Civil Rights Act of 1875 got things right.

I believe they got things right. What would happen later is in 1964, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, basically the same issue comes up again after the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 64. What this act did was it allowed, again, government to come in and tell businesses, private as well as public, who they needed to hire, how many they needed to hire, and the manner in which that would take place.

And if they violated that, there were government mechanisms to examine, to cajole, if you will, by threat of government intervention, these statutes that you would hire someone on the basis of sex, ethnicity, race, and the like.

So in 64, you have the same act that took place in 1875 that was knocked down by the Supreme Court. In 1964, that act comes up again, and now it is law, and it is wreaking havoc on our current culture.

Now what you see, because of the Civil Rights Act of 64, is not just for Blacks and marginalized groups, historically marginalized groups, quote unquote, but what you see now is the push to say if I'm LGBTQ, if I'm trans, if I don't know what my gender is, and I believe that there's something called a gender spectrum, private businesses and industries are now required in some way, shape, or form to validate the mental illness, if you will, of some of these individuals who are struggling with gender dysphoria or who are dealing with issues related to sexuality.

It is the Civil Rights Act of 64 that sets things up for us as it relates to DEI. I know that was a long way to go backwards, but I think it's important to understand the historic nature of what took place in 1875, at 1964, to understand that today as we deal with affirmative action in the 70s, and then the push for DEI programs that really took flight around the time of George Floyd and Black Lives Matter, you see these proponents of the narrative of George Floyd and the like are telling companies and corporations that they must align with helping blacks close the wealth gap, and this is a part of the way that they're doing it.

They're utilizing racism in the form of DEI programs in an effort to make up for historic discrimination and what they see as the gaps that are in place, the disparities,.

If you will, that are in place from long ago. By the way, I want to quickly, before I forget, plug a documentary that my guest Virgil Walker is a part of, Uncle Tom 2. This was a documentary created by Larry Elder, and if anybody wants to view this, they're actually streaming it for free for the two-year anniversary of the documentary.

Go to uncletom .com, uncletom .com. And I also want to clarify, I think it would be wise for me to do so, that my guest today, Virgil Walker, is a black man. I hate having to do that because I think it's a tragedy that humanity even has to differentiate other human beings by the amount of melanin content in their skin.

It's crazy. It's absurd. And I know that you and I both wholeheartedly reject, vociferously deny that there are races. We are all a member of the human race, if we are human beings. But one of the reasons I thought it was wise of me to point that out is if I were to say some of the things that you said in the beginning of our program, I would be immediately labeled as a racist, perhaps even by Christians who just haven't investigated the topic very deeply, because you were basically saying that you believe it should be the right of a business owner, or even a homeowner, to discriminate.

And that just means use their own discernment and judgment. It doesn't necessarily have to do with hatred, although it can, but they should have the right to make their own choices over who they want as a customer base, a clientele, and if it comes to a homeowner, who they want to rent their home to when it comes to people renting an apartment.

And even if we would find the choices of such citizens repugnant and even wicked, because, you know, there have been, obviously, for quite a large portion of America's history, people who were barring anyone entering into their doors who were not of the same skin color.

And although we find that repugnant, and we find it moronic, especially in a day and age when a competition that is likely going to be harming people, if they were to continue to do that, we still believe that American citizens.

Have rights to be stupid, don't we? Absolutely, they do. Absolutely.

And it's not always a decision that's stupid. If you own a home and you do not want to rent out your apartment to either unmarried heterosexuals that are a couple or a homosexual couple, perhaps especially if you have children and grandchildren living in your home, that should be your right to not rent out, and so on.

And I could go on and on with that, but I just wanted to make sure that our listeners knew where you are coming from on this.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that's right. As a Black person or LGBTQ person, what have you, you have the right. If someone says they won't serve you, you have the right to go somewhere where they will.

You're a human being created in the image of God. Do what you want to do. And ultimately, the market, capitalism, the market actually sorts that out incredibly well. Prior to the 64 Civil Rights Act, there were Black businesses and companies and organizations that were doing just fine.

They catered to those who came in and participated in doing business with them, who they wanted to serve, who they liked and enjoyed. And I think long term, they would have been just fine with the idea that integration happened.

I personally believe that what it created in the mind of many Blacks was this idea of white means superior. If I'm in a white lunch counter, they've got to serve better food. It must be colder. It must be warmer.

It must be whatever you're thinking it is. It created a sense of superiority toward things that were white rather than recognizing that the restaurant down the road that fixed barbecue or fixed whatever, steaks or what have you, and happened to be run by a Black business owner, might have had better food, might have had a better service.

You just don't know. But the market will sort those things out rather than enforcing some law on private businesses that were, in my estimation, unjust and unconstitutional. Again, what we should have done was allow the market to sort that out and to ensure that everyone had an equal opportunity to build businesses and build companies and do what they needed to do in those instances, but not thwart the will of those who own those businesses and demand that they hire or participate in acts that they don't desire to.

And I had on the program somebody that I know that you have since come to know and develop a friendship with, Vince Ellison. Oh, yeah, yeah. Author of 25 Lies. In fact, the moment I was positive I gave you a copy of his book before you knew who he was.

Yep, yep, yep. But Vince actually startled me when he was defending exactly what you're talking about on my show. And that was in 2022, if anybody wants to look that up, look up Vince Ellison in the search engine of irontrepancyonradio .com.

But he said, you know what I call it when somebody refuses to leave your place of business, no matter what the reason the owner wants you to leave, whether it's your color, whether it's any other reason, I call that stalking.

And he made sense to me. But we're going to pick up where we left off there when we return from our first commercial break. And if anybody has a question on DEI, diversity, equity and inclusion, that we both here on this program want to see, D-I-E.

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And by the way I wanted to quickly have you clarify something, some people might wrongly draw the conclusion that you and I believed that the Jim Crow laws were a good thing, but that was enforced segregation, that was not leaving the choices up to business owners and public parks and things like that, it wasn't leaving the decisions up to people, you know if I want black people to eat in my restaurant right next to whites that's up to me to have them customers come right in here no matter what color they were, no no Jim Crow laws forbid you from doing that, and of course I'm sure most people if not all people who are business owners would be too terrified to face the repercussions if they didn't follow those laws, but anyway I'm sure that you want to make that clear to our listeners.

As well. No absolutely, I mean I think when we think about the Montgomery bus boycott that that was a that was a right movement, you know that that was a right, why? Because the Montgomery buses were being segregated but all of the taxpayer dollars equally came from blacks and whites while whites were subjugated, well blacks rather were subjugated to riding on the back of the bus and now the you know the story as it relates to Rosa Parks and all of what she did and to kind of ignite that whole thing, you know historically speaking if you go back and do research Rosa Parks was a plant, I mean they had the NAACP planned to have her sit where she sat, they had planned for her to operate in the manner that she did, all of that was planned, but that notwithstanding there was a reason to to go after the segregation and laws that were in place that kept that forced Rosa Parks and others like her to move to the back of the bus and they and look they did it rightly, what was originally thought by Martin Luther King and others to be a five-day at most four or five-day you know kind of a walk away from the bus ended up being a year-long ordeal beginning in December of 1955 and ending December 20th of 1956 so that that was a you know a year-long a year and today long process of black bus riders walking away from the buses and what did they do?

They got their own forms of transportation, they began taking the money that they would have paid to the buses and paying them to their friends and neighbors and those I mean this was this was the really the first version of Uber that actually was taking place during the Montgomery bus boycott in fact the city at the time Montgomery the city of Montgomery actually lost in today's dollars nearly 300 ,000 dollars monthly and they could not overcome that kind of a hit, the buses were about to you know about to be diminished because they couldn't continue not allowing blacks and their patronage to come on on the buses.

The law actually worked in this way, it wasn't the Civil Rights Bill or Civil Rights Act of 64, this is you know nine years earlier. What happened? Well the issue of desegregation actually went through the Supreme Court and ultimately in a ruling called Browder v. Gayle they held that it was unconstitutional to segregate the buses and on November 13th of 1956 that law was passed and they had to desegregate the buses on December the 20th of 1956.

Now my encouragement would have been for the blacks to continue riding their own, I mean they had invested a year in spending money with each other and understanding the nuances of that because now what they were doing legislatively was going back to a bus system that still the bus driver didn't want them on, the whites didn't want them on, what they needed to do was create their own bus system and make it run so well that whites would want to ride on it because it was more efficient and effective but that's not what actually took place.

I do think the removal of the segregationist law was a proper and right thing to do. I think the manner in which it was done in this instance was a right and proper thing to do but as it pertains to moving forward during the days of civil rights where now they saw the effect and Martin Luther King says let's go do some sit-ins at some lunch counters of private businesses so that we can have the same kind of effect, I think that's when things went.

The wrong direction. And I'm assuming that what was what the compelling factor was that you even wanted to write about this issue and talk about it that is the most recent current event was the attempt at the assassination of President Donald Trump and the fact that the Secret Service behaved in a manner, not all of them, I understand that the people that were actually on the platform acted very heroically but at the same time there was some of the preparations that would reveal that they behaved like bumbling idiots.

Absolutely well when again you push this ball forward there I mean we've been talking historically but you push this ball forward and what you have with regard to the trigger you're exactly right the trigger for this for me to think about these issues was the assassination attempt on President Trump and what did we witness?

We saw the diminishing impact, someone missed it, I don't know who missed it but somebody missed it, where the shooter was, his access to a former president, his ability to get shots off when people that were in spaces and saw him before he began to participate in the way that he did.

You have a Secret Service chief who said one of her the marching orders, Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheadle, her goal was to see a 30 percent increase in minority representation by 2025 and that was her idea, her goal, not a more effective unit, not a unit that had the ability to be more lethal, more effective, more protective, no, but that what we're worried about is the level of melanin in the skin of the Secret Service agents.

Or their gender. Yeah or the fact that more women were able to participate and I mean I just think that's absolutely ridiculous especially in this incredibly important area of protective service for the President of the United States.

Yeah and just like with the overreach of the government, with the mandates during the coronavirus pandemic, where you had leftist elitists, very wealthy individuals in politics, enjoying the freedom and liberty to go and eat where they chose, unlike the rest of us, this DEI nonsense, you know without a doubt if any of those leftists require life-saving brain surgery that is very delicate, sensitive, or hey let's face it, even if it's a common tooth extraction, they don't want a DEI hire to be doing this.

And they will likely make sure it is not, especially when you're talking about the more serious procedures or anything in life that may put your safety and well-being.

And life at risk. Yeah, go ahead. Chris, here's the duplicity of all of this. I mean here's the hypocrisy in all of this. You had a few weeks later, you know Donald Trump shows up at a conference of black journalists and one of the questioners, one of the journalists there interviewing the president, was concerned and asking the question whether or not Trump believed that Kamala Harris was a DEI hire, right?

And so if we think so highly of DEI, if we think it's such a wonderful thing, such an effective tool, mechanism by which to properly adjudicate historic racism, why is it that it is a pejorative, that it is a bad thing in essence to be considered a DEI hire?

Why would this journalist see an admission on Trump's part that Kamala Harris is a DEI hire as a bad thing for him to admit in a public setting, right? They know what they're doing. This is absolutely ridiculous and again another one of the reasons why I just think DEI needs to D .I .E.

Well and then on top of that, after that already happened, after that journalist was outraged that Trump refused to answer the question about whether or not he believed Kamala Harris was a DEI hire, after that, and I think this was either last night or the night before, Michelle Obama in her speech said, who's going to tell Trump the presidency is a black job?

Right. So there's another clear revelation that she wants whoever becomes the president to be a DEI.