The American Churchman: Rogue California and the Constitution

The Sovereignty of God and the Christian Life

Welcome to the American churchman podcast where we encourage men who are Christians to take responsibility in their home take Dominion in the world. And I am John Harris. This is my co-host Matthew Pearson.

If you're here for the first time welcome, and I'll ask the question. I guess I'm in the habit of always asking it. How you doing Matthew?

I'm doing I'm doing good. John you and I were talking a little before the pod started to have some car issues. You got to get a few new a few new things. Well, not really a few new. I just need to get a new alternator.

But other than that, no, I'm doing I'm doing fine. Things are going well. Summer is hot here in Florida. How's the weather. Where you are?

Yeah, it's kind of damp and It's been like the rainiest Month that last month was the rainiest month. We've had in a long time and June's no exception to that. So I'm just kind of used to it. But tomorrow's supposed to be pretty and supposed to get you know, Florida weather.

We're at like 78 I think so.

Although like what are you guys right now? Never mind. Never mind. Yeah, I got in my car and it was the internal temp the other day was a hundred three. Oh.

Yeah, I'm not ready for that. Yeah, that's like one week in July here. Maybe two. It was brutal, but that's a neither of us are in California though, which is a blessing I suppose. Right now I'm lost in Angeles at least that's true.

And we'll talk about that as the program unfolds. I know I talked a lot about immigration on my podcast yesterday for conversations that matter. But we do have an article queued up on this subject and we're gonna share some scripture and talk about this some more.

We'll get Matthews take. Before we get to all that though We'd usually do an attribute of God and while people are coming into the channel Why don't we start talking about the sovereignty of God?

Yeah, absolutely. So we should go over that and I sometimes forget to do this. But of course, you know, I can only do so much with my brain when it comes to discussing these attributes. So I like to cite my sources.

Um, no molar this time. I don't know why I didn't do any molar but we did some bobbing. So there you go. I'm from volume 2 God and creation. I kind of went through what he had to say about sovereignty sort of summarize some of my own knowledge of it and since Synthesized it here so if you're on my Twitter today You may have seen me post a bobbing quote and that quote will actually be at the end of our discussion of this attribute.

With me sort of summarizing some things but God's sovereignty if you are reformed or at least somewhat familiar with the reformed space. That's like the sovereignty of God is like the big thing that people like to talk about it.

So when people first become reformed and they go in their little cage stage, they love Speaking and screaming about God's sovereignty. The Lord is sovereign. Who are you? Oh man to say to you know, the the motor.

Why have you made me this way, you know the pot talking to the or the clay talking to the the molder. So yeah, let's just get right into it. There's actually a lot more to it than just Oh God is in control of all things.

So we'll discuss all that but to do what I always do before I get into an attribute. I like to read one verse from the Old Testament and one from the new our first verse will be Daniel 4 Verses 34 through 35.

This is actually Nebuchadnezzar Speaking in the book of Daniel if you're unfamiliar, it's only four chapters in so give yourself a fresh quick read on Daniel. But he Nebuchadnezzar himself states. And at the end of days I Nebuchadnezzar Lifted up mine eyes unto heaven and mine understanding returned unto me and I bless the Most High and I praise and honor him that liveth forever whose dominion is an everlasting dominion and his kingdom is from generation to generation and all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing and he doeth according to his will and the army of heaven and among the Inhabitants of the earth and none can stay his hand or say unto him What doest thou.

And our New Testament verse is from Colossians chapter 1 verse 16 where the Apostle Paul writes. For by him were all things created referring to Christ that are in heaven and that are in earth. Visible and invisible whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers all things were created by him and for him.

So God's sovereignty as I stated Bavink will be our main source here. How do we define God's sovereignty? It can essentially be defined as the assertion that the Lord God alone is the creator and by virtue of This of him being the creator of all things visible and invisible.

He is thus the owner possessor and Lord of all things visible and invisible again I'll say those owner possessor and Lord. He is this over all his creation and from this by virtue of his ownership possession and being Lord over all these things he derives absolute authority and he derives both his absolute authority and His will in relation to creation is the final ground of all things and their being.

His will in Relation is a final ground of all things and their being. So as I stated they're talking about authority and God's will. Sovereignty relates to both God's position as the ultimate authority and what flows from this authority namely his will what God wills and decrees as The sovereign over all created things because when we talk about a sovereign you may refer to someone as I'm the sovereign Of this company or I'm the sovereign of this family.

I'm the sovereign of this city-state or etc. That means you just have a rightful rule. So God as a sovereign has rightful rule over all things and all lawful authorities. Which exists or all lawful sovereigns which exists be they civil be they?

Ecclesiastical they derive their authority from God's own authority. The Apostle Paul in relation to civil government he writes about this referring to the civil magistrate as the Servant of God so God's will in light of this directly relates to his sovereignty because all things derive from God's will because what God has decreed Always comes to pass in this power to will all things flows from his sovereign authority.

Now though God wills with one and the same simple act as we always talk about in the attributes God is a simple being meaning that all that is in God is God all of his attributes. We can distinguish them.

But each of these in essence is the divine essence and so God though God wills with one in the same simple act one is free to be able to distinguish the free will of God from the Necessary will of God God's will and relation to himself.

What he wills regarding himself is Necessary as he cannot but love himself through his own perfect self-knowledge. Because God is immutable and unchangeable there's nothing that God can will of himself which could be any different because all good things which is Can be predicated of God himself in relation to his will is Perfect and is absolutely necessary that he does these in relation to his creation.

However, God's will is free in that he wills for his create in that what he wills for his creation Rests in his own sovereign good pleasure, and he owes no one an account for what he does. You may think of what I just referenced in the beginning from Romans 9, you know who can You know say to the Creator like why have you made me this way?

I don't remember the exact phrasing of the verse, but you all get the gist. You can all go to Romans 9 in your Bible right now as I speak. But all of this is very important when talking about sovereignty Mainly authority and will a lot of the times many caged sage Calvinists or people that are very into pop level reformed apologetics and theology they love to emphasize God's will and especially in relation to Predestination and election and things like that because like that's where it's sort of God's will manifests most clearly in Election, especially given that God's election unto salvation is Unconditioned so God thus and his free will and good pleasure Decides to elect some unto salvation while passing over others in response to that.

However, God's authority in relation to this is also very important the fact that God himself willing these things Itself like it, you know, it derived he has the authority to will these things. So even though God has relate has authority over all creation God doesn't derive this authority by virtue of the fact that he creates.

But rather God has always possessed this authority and when creation actualizes he exercises this authority through what he wills for his creation and In regard to I guess we could say, you know, this isn't this is us discussing an attribute of God.

It's not necessarily a sermon, but I always do like to leave some Something when we talk about an attribute like related at you know Application in the life of a believer and to end for application I'm gonna read this quote isn't too lengthy, but it's like a paragraph lame.

It's a quote from bobbings reform dogmatics of all YouTube part 1 chapter 5 and I posted this on Twitter earlier. And at first it sounds all technical yada yada. But then at the end of the quote he really gets into a great application.

For those and why for people and why they can trust in God. Bobbing writes. Accordingly when Augustine Thomas referring to Aquinas Calvin and others said that there is no reason or Latin Causa for the divine will they meant that the will of God as being one with his essence has no Causa behind or above it on which that will would be dependent.

But they by no means meant that the will is without reason or in Latin ratio or ratio. However, you want to pronounce it. I haven't taken Latin. That in the sense of Schopenhauer's theory it is blind and irrational on the contrary.

This is a part of application I want to focus on God's will is one with his being his wisdom goodness and all his other Perfections. For that reason the human heart and head can rest in that will for it is a will of an almighty God and a gracious father not that of a blind fate and Incalculable chance or dark force of nature.

His sovereignty is one of unlimited power. But also of wisdom and grace. He is both king and father at one and the same time. And that quote is just so important for the Christian life because it helps us to remember that God has a reason and a purpose behind all that he wills and ordains and If you just believe in a very fatalistic God who doesn't really have much attachment or care for his creation just wills because he wills because he wills that can leave you in certain discomfort and distress but because all that is in God is God and God's goodness and lovingness and all these things are all tied up with what he wills.

We can take comfort and rest in our God and as I always say that is the attribute of sovereignty in a nutshell.

The Problem of Evil, Free Will, and Divine Providence

That's really good Matthew. I do need to make a quick announcement. Someone texted me and then I saw it on the my end. Apparently Facebook live stream is down. So if anyone's trying to look at this on Facebook jump to YouTube or jump to rumble or jump to X.

So Yeah, Matthew. Regarding God's sovereignty. This is I think one of the big doctrines that's obviously challenged quite a bit because there is evil the problem of evil and. And because people think that it conflicts with man's choice, right?

Those are probably the two big things that come up in regards to this. You know in apologetics, obviously, those are probably two of the biggest topics that are discussed to. Not just for Christianity, but for even in Islam, which they do not have the same view that Christians have of God's sovereignty but because they also posit a monotheistic deity who has a control over creation.

Some of those same challenges emerge. So this is a problem for not just Christians, but I guess what I was gonna say is like What do you have to say about that? Specifically when people bring up. Like if there's all this evil going on and if this is part of God's plan and if he is truly sovereign over that.

It just seems like that shouldn't fit into his plan because it comes into conflict with other attributes we've discussed like his goodness, for example.

Yeah, so to that like what I would say is that in regard to free will and things like that a lot of the times people can talk past each other about what they mean by free will and in reality the way that God has set up things is that God has imbued man with a will and this will in certain regards is Actually free.

Um, you know Westminster Confession of Faith in chapter 9 of that It actually is entitled of free will. And it opens up with the chapter stating God hath endued the will of man with that natural liberty.

That is neither force nor by any absolute necessity of nature determined to good or evil. Um, it's only by virtue of our fallen to sin that our natures have been corrupted. And so we're still free to will certain things.

It simply is that what is the mechanism through which you will you will through your nature? Nature and will are an extra inextricably tied together. Which is why when we talk about Christology behind the person of Christ and him being God and man that we predicate of Christ a divine and a human nature and from a Divine and human nature there are two wills.

Which is why Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane said not my will in reference to his human will but thy will the divine will Which he shares in accordance with the divine nature be done. So will is tied with nature and by virtue of the fact that we have fallen natures man Only in in an unregenerate state only wills that which is contrary to the will of God.

But in regard to evil and how God works with evil Bob Inc actually has a section in talking about sovereignty about the problem of evil and He states God does not will sin he is far from iniquity. He forbids it and punishes it severely yet.

It exists and is subject to his rule. And while this may seem almost controversial the idea that God does not will sin yet It exists and is subject to his rule. This is just what the scriptures say and the first place that I think of is Genesis 50 verse 20 where um You know Joseph tells his brothers As for you you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good so God is able to work around the evil things that man decides and In order to bring about the greater good so in light of the fall man is inclined towards sin by virtue of fallen nature and yet God who ordains and sustains all things is able to use these for Bringing about the greater good and something very important to know is that when we talk about God being sovereign and having control over all Things this does not mean that God makes the choice for you.

God does not like God doesn't do that rather God in his sovereignty is able to Work with that what you do and so God enables you to freely choose the good when you are Regenerated and when you're regenerated and united to Christ according to reform view You receive all the benefits of Christ which means you receive Perseverance and thus like you just what you will not by virtue of your nature choose that which is Evil to your own like condemnation like you will not be able to apostatize if you are united to Christ.

Because God is able to work with that. So God permits man to do things that are evil, but he doesn't itself. He doesn't himself cause it in a direct manner such that man sins because God infuses evil into them.

So this kind of gets into God's permissive will and that God permits certain things to occur. But insofar as this oriented towards bringing about the greater good which he has in mind. And I think that when we make those necessary distinctions that the problem of evil sort of kind of falls behind.

But it's a very complicated discussion, which can't be like, you know resolved in like a few minutes of a podcast. You know, I mean like there's a lot that's been written on this.

Right. Yeah, no totally and I just saw recently there was a good answer. Someone did one of those. I don't know what they're called actually. But those rooms where there's a circle and there's someone in the middle.

I think Jordan Peterson was on one of these things recently and it was an atheist. Anyway, there was a Christian conversing with the atheist and the atheist is going on about the problem of evil and the Christian Makes this argument, but he does it in a way that's um, I don't know.

It was a little outside the box for me. I hadn't heard it quite done the way he was doing it. But he was trying to put in perspective the fact that men live a very short period of time. Actually, they were talking about animals.

He was saying even so animals live a very short period of time because obviously animals experience pain in a sin-cursed world. So how can God like this or how can God use this or have it see a redemptive purpose here somehow?

And he's like well, you know.

He's.

Trying to he was trying to postulate this world where all of that Pain even for animals. I guess he was maybe he thought they lived You know eternally or something I have no clue. But he was trying to say it's so brief that it ends up being in the long run working out to some future purpose where Lessons are learned and this is and it serves the greater good of man and it serves the greater good of God.

And it and I don't know it was um, I'm not doing it justice. But I I think that is the answer though is that God's plan is a long view. It's not what we see where our life is a breath and we can't see the next around the next corner in the rat maze.

But God sees the whole thing and has a purpose for it knows his plans. And that is a comforting thought because we don't know what the next thing life's gonna bring to us. We don't know if there's an EMP that'll go off tomorrow or a nuclear explosion or I Mean, these are drastic things, but there anything could happen, right?

So Unless you're one of those black pillars, I think nothing happens, you know, but I think I think things happen. So Well, that was good. Let's get to some questions or comments and then we'll switch gears and actually Matthew I don't know if I told you what my title for this particular Podcast is I'm actually gonna look it up myself.

So I don't I think I put something like rogue. Yeah, I wrote yeah in the Constitution. I Maybe I was being a little clickbaity. Rogue California in the Constitution. So there are people who are gonna come into this channel thinking that's what we're gonna talk about.

So we have to appease them a little bit. And we're gonna do that through this article, but a few comments here. The other Paul says I support the dissident rights disregard see he's already Immediately.

He's like that. He thought we were talking about the Constitution the dissent rights disregard for the Constitution a loyal subject to the crown. I'm seeing more of this by the way I don't know exactly where that's coming from.

But the guys who want a monarchy, you know. Like the the time and climes of the world who think that we would be better off with a king. That's a making its rounds. And maybe that's Curtis Yarvin, right?

Isn't that his thing is monarchy. Mmm, and he's kind of.

I just know a lot of people that have more time than me to read Curtis Yarvin and you just know people who. Right, right. Yeah, I'm just like I'll read the theology. You can you can read Curtis Yarvin.

I'll read his tweets I guess.

Imagine being so pompous that you think you understand God's motivations and limitations. Yeah, that's something that I noticing classic literature. Well, not classic but like a mare early American literature.

You will constantly find references to the mysterious Providence or the mysterious will of God and I love the way that is phrased that it so it is mysterious. It's a limited we are limited in understanding it and it makes sense of all the events that come to pass though and.

And we're subject to it. It's his Providence. And anyway Islam is more fatalistic than Christianity. I do believe so. Yes. Also, I think Allah is more. He's like he can change his mind more easily and that kind of thing.

So things are not guaranteed like they are in Christianity where we have these promises that. Usually what's brought up is that Christians are short of a place in heaven if they repent and put their trust in Jesus Christ.

But someone who's following Islam is not guaranteed a place in paradise even if they follow the five pillars. But that's that's my understanding from my. I'm reaching back like over 15 years to world religions class.

All right. Let me see if there's other relevant. I would love to hear how I can be sure that I'm saved. Oh, okay. I'm paranoid over this.

Paul.

We're gonna pray for you, I'm gonna pray for you tonight and I I don't think we can take a lot of time in the program to talk about this specific topic but it is an important one and I'll say something briefly.

And then if Matthew wants to say something he can I'll just say this I do think it's different for different people. So I was I don't know if this is your story Paul but I was raised in the church and so.

Remembering a time when I had not made a profession of faith since I made one at six was very difficult. I couldn't remember before six really and I struggled with this in my teenage years and really what I came to was The difference between trusting in my decision and then trusting in Christ directly.

And that made all the difference for me. I don't know if I can fully explain to you I can explain to you the mechanics but what happened in my heart I can't quite explain but I I came to a conviction that Christ had actually he had died for my sins and that it was His will that I put my trust directly in him and that it was a lack of faith.

That made me keep praying that he would save me. Which is was my habit as I think a lot of kids go through that in their early teens who are raised in the church and so I would recommend if you're gonna do something to remedy this read.

I know it's cliche but read first John don't read it though as a book of Simply just tests to ensure how large your fruit is. Read it as a book to Determine whether you have fruit at all. In other words, if you if there is anything in your life that says you love the brothers that you are walking in righteousness.

You hate worldliness, right? It doesn't have to be large large fruit is what I'm trying to say. You don't have to be perfect, which I think is the incorrect way of reading first John. This is a pattern of life.

You should be able to look back and see like there's a desire. There's a direction. You're you are becoming more and more conformed to Christ, even if it doesn't go at the rate you'd like and And let that encourage you as you see those things.

But ultimately don't just navel gaze, right? That's I think a big problem. You don't want to just look at your your fruit. I think that is a part of this but you want to look to Christ because he's the one producing that fruit in you if You are in fact saved now if you're not saved.

You will not desire the things of God, right? You will it will all be selfish ambition that even motivates you wanting to have a place in heaven. There won't be a true love for Christ. It will be a love for Self-preservation, for example, so just be comforted first John 1 9 we confess he forgives and and then cling to that promise and and cling to it every day and Put more and more of your focus on what Christ has done.

And and as you do that, I think you will recognize things changing in your life. And that will in turn encourage you so that's my best shot in five minutes here. But Matthew you have any advice on this?

Yeah, I would just say Look to Christ. It's I know it's like kind of it's very cliche. But that really is what it is is as long as you trust in the Lord Jesus and then in light of that when you look at yourself.

The fact that you're even asking that question shows that there's a desire to be one with Christ. That desire is a very good sign. Look and trust in Christ. Yes, look to you know your obedience in some regards but also realize like what first John says, you know in first John John calls us to Obey God and this is how you know, you're in in God you keep his commandments yada yada.

Yeah, but at the end of the day you won't do it perfectly. But that's why we have Christ who is a mediator so don't just look to Christ life death and resurrection look to those with great joy because that's where the things really get done.

But also look to Christ's intercession the idea that the Lord is pleading on your behalf before the throne of the Father. And at the end of the day also think about what good is it to worry? About this stuff like to such an extent to where it causes you great distress and pain.

That doesn't really change a whole lot so at the end of the day all you can really do is just look to the Lord Jesus adore and Adore him and be devoted to him be steadfast. Make sure you're in prayer in the word Going to church if you're baptized look back on your baptism and the promises that God made to you there and cling fast to those Apprehended by faith and truly trust.

I know that a lot of this is easier said than done. You can just tell people Oh, yeah, I just trust in Jesus look to Christ. Yada Yada, but like truly like look to these things and just say Lord. I I surrender to you.

I trust in you because at the end of the day that's going to be more helpful than just despairing. That will do you no good. There's a bigger net positive to Trusting in the Lord and saying I am with you God do with me what you will and in Surrendering yourself to the Lord Jesus.

It's easier to be able to go about your day Seeking after him and yet just like I said read the scriptures be in prayer go to church and Talk to a pastor as well. John and I are two podcasters. If you're at a local church talk to your pastor talk to elders talk to Christians more mature in the faith than you.

That will be a much greater help than anything John or I can provide for you. Because that person may know you a bit better. There be able to fully talk with you about the things going on in your life about any concerns and worries you have.

And it's why God put the church there Anyways is to feed you and that's why we have the body of Christ is to give each other Admonitioning encouragement to pursuing righteousness pursuing the Lord and resting in his promises.

So that's what I'd say. And and repent or yeah repentance. But also yeah, like feeling sorrow for sin a sorrow that leads to actual repentance.

And.

Like confessing that you have sinned that is also obedience. That's also fruit. I think sometimes we neglect that like No when you when you have sin when you're like David and you've sinned Right or Peter and you've denied Christ and you've sinned the mark of a true Christian is you repent of that sin?

So even in that repentance that is obedience. So just be encouraged and it looks like Paul says he does see progress. So He's thankful that we weighed in he says I do not go to church as I know I should but I live where most Could be considered false in Vermont.

Well, well, there's your problem. No, I'm just kidding. You gotta get out of Vermont. Yeah, find it find out where 80 Robles goes to church, right? Doesn't he live in Vermont?

I think I'm not sure. I mean, yeah, you yeah. You could you could do research or like, you know, I I mean it may be hard but look for any good, you know I'll obviously say Presbyterian. But I'm sure there's faithful Baptist churches.

They're faithful Congregationalist church heck even an Anglican church like an Episcopalian church if you can find one that's faithful. Just get plugged in with the church community because you know Christ Left the church for a reason and it's very important for edification.

And that was one of the commands is that you you know, you gather with the body. So, um, it's very difficult to just you know, Christianity is not a one-man journey. It's a you know, the Lord has bought for himself of people not a person.

So I would say try to find a church. I know it's again. Like I said, it's easier said than done. I'm in a very blessed situation where my particular area is Saturated with a lot of good faithful churches, but look around I'm sure there's something out there.

Even if it's something that doesn't align with all your theological convictions.

Yeah. Yeah, if you have any more questions You can find me on social media message me. I'll try to send you some stuff. All right. Well, let's talk about the issue at hand, which is gonna be this article and then we will we will get into constitutional stuff a little bit and the the argument for what's happening here, so.

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Wow, I just heard thunder outside. So if you guys if I lose the feed Matthew will finish it up. I don't know how close that thunderstorm is but. You might. I don't know if you hear that in the background of my mic, but it was just over overhead there.

Anyways. Getting back to the subject of the hand. This is obviously the picture that everyone's looking at right now from California the alien shall rise is the name of the article and. Oh, here we go.

I guess I can't move that article on the screen. All right. So I'll just leave it there and it's by my brother and this is like my brother's issue even more than my issue. Because he works he teaches ESL as a so English as a second language and a lot of the people he teaches are The children of migrants who came here in some cases.

Illegally, and it's you might ask how is that happening? How are they going to school in a red state? Well, it's happening everywhere guys because actually by law states are forced to to provide these accommodations and sometimes it comes with meals for illegal migrants and.

So yeah, that that is what's happening out there. But anyway, he starts to talk a little bit about just like what happened over the weekend a lot of us are familiar with that and His personal take some of you don't know this but I was.

I'm from Los Angeles originally. David's was born in New York but he's. You know, obviously his family. My parents were both born and actually my mom's were in Ohio. But she was like six months old when they moved to LA.

So my both my parents are from LA. Anyway, it's kind of a near and dear thing to us just because we've seen the changes there and. And he kind of talks about that like it's hard to lose. Something that's home or like a special place that you're connected with and that's what it feels like in, California.

And then he talks about how there's this toxic empathy out there. Actually, he showed me in this there's an article by David Platt. I was not aware of this. This actually was just last month in relevant magazine and it's complete trash.

It is just it is you know, the height of woke 2020 is this article. I'll just tell you the last thing. He says the whole things like this, but the last thing he says he goes I don't pretend there's any easy answers, but I do believe the gospel requires us to wrestle with these questions.

Regardless of where you land politically we're talking about our neighbors and Jesus was very clear about how we should treat them as long as immigrants documented or Undocumented live among us by God's sovereign design.

We are compelled to love them as we love ourselves. Well, what does that mean? Well, the rest of the whole thing is basically Countersignaling right-wingers like you're not you're denying the Imago Dei you're denying the gospel and you're just.

You're saying get off my lawn in Spanish. I kid you not that's one of the things he quoted.

So.

Yeah, that's so he showed me that and he's like look this is just what's going on in Christian elite circles and it's true. It's still going on. It's a toxic empathy. It's guilt manipulation. But then he brings up this verse and I'll stop here and see if Matthew has a reaction but Deuteronomy 28 43 through 44 says the alien who's among you shall rise above you higher and higher.

But you will go down lower and lower. He shall lend to you, but you will not lend to him. He shall be the head and you will be the tail. Of course, this is talking about Blessings for obedience in Israel.

This is about Israel obviously and then curses for disobedience. This is one of the curses. And I do think it's maybe important we pause there and just acknowledge the fact that we're in the situation we're in.

Actually reveals something that would be considered a curse in ancient Israel this is a sign God's actually doesn't have favor on on your nation or your country and I don't know what you think of that Matthew.

I I tend to think that God I mean I you hear this from a lot of people that God's judging The United States or judging? Americans or whatever like I mean, I I'm pretty open to that idea I actually think that's very possible that this is one of those signs.

What do you think?

No, I would uh, I'd agree with that. I think that it's proper to Invoke a verse like that to talk about this situation. I know that some people may not be as inclined to go that way because they would say something like first off Israel Old Covenant Israel had a very particular Theocratic government which was instituted by God for the sake of like their particular purpose and by virtue of that fact.

This is something in regard to Old Covenant Israel. Which was like I said much more particular whereas the nature of the church is that it's Catholic and universal. Such that this would almost make it to where?