September 14, 2021 Show with Matt Tarr on “When it Becomes Morally Responsible to Disobey the State for Exceeding Its Authority”

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September 2021.

And that heavy breathing is coming from a very beloved guest of mine.

His name is Pastor Matt Tarr.

He is the pastor of High Point Baptist Church of Larksville, Pennsylvania, which happens to be a

church revitalization effort in northeastern Pennsylvania through the grace

advanced ministry of John MacArthur.

And today we are going to be addressing a very timely and important theme, when it becomes morally

responsible to disobey the state exceeding its authority.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Matt Tarr.

Thanks, Chris.

I apologize.

That might be the subject.

I just wanted to make sure our listeners didn't think Darth Vader was my guest today.

Well, I happen to be

an enormous fan of lively, thunderous preaching, so don't listen to any advice

that wears you out before you begin to ascend the pulpit.

Yeah, well, my problem was I...

Yes, as long as you're not shouting at the top of your lungs when you're merely

announcing a change in the schedule for the ladies' knitting circle.

That's true.

Yeah, that's very true.

I like that.

Well, tell our listeners, for those of them who are not familiar with High Point Baptist Church in

the Larksville, Pennsylvania area, tell us about this congregation.

Yeah, well, High Point Baptist Church was actually started...

Wow.

Yes.

...although

I

am...

I'm always leery when a pastor moves his church to the top of a mountain.

Yeah, you know, it just...

Does quasi -Pentecostalism mean they fake faking tongues?

Yeah.

You know, I don't

know what it...

And I'm sure I just offended some of my very dear friends who I actually

believe are very biblically sound in spite of our disagreement on tongues.

I don't mean to insult my Pentecostal and charismatic friends.

And there are some among us who are theologically very sound

other than the areas of disagreement.

So I just wanted to make sure that I gave that disclaimer.

...hundred

people

over

manipulation.

That is

truly the issue

that we're

holding the

keys to

the mortgage

or

emphasizing

the

preaching

glorified

from

this

last year.

That is such a beautiful area.

I loved visiting High Point Baptist Church of Larksville, Pennsylvania during your

conference that you had.

And just a really gorgeous scenery when entering

that area.

And the facilities God has given you.

Yeah, and we have another one coming up

pretty fast.

Oh, yeah.

Now, I may be misremembering this, but I thought that you also were having Rick

Phillips and Phil Johnson, or maybe I'm thinking...

No, no, that's right.

I'm thinking of a different church.

Grace Fellowship.

Well, I'll open the extension.

Yeah, that was Josh Miller of Grace Bible Fellowship in Harrisburg who was having that

conference.

Yeah, yeah.

It's been probably October, I think.

Yeah, it's for Reformation Day, yeah.

Right.

And if anybody wants more information about High Point Baptist Church of Larksville,

Pennsylvania, go to highpointbaptist .com, highpointbaptist .com.

Now, I know that you, God willing, are going to be attending the

same conference that I am attending that I'm very thrilled about, as I always am,

the G3 Conference in Atlanta, Georgia, which is going to be held from Thursday, September 30th,

through Saturday, October 2nd.

And the speaker lineup is absolutely extraordinary.

It is a lineup that features my dear friend Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, John

MacArthur, Dr. Conrad M. Bayway, Voti Baucom, and yes, you heard me right,

folks.

We had been saying for a number of weeks that Voti Baucom was taken off

the roster because of his health problems, but he

is now healthy enough to be replaced, or should I say put back

on, not replaced, put back on the roster.

He, God willing, is going to be there.

He worked out his schedule to make sure that he was going to be there.

And just an amazing, a mind -blowing lineup.

The theme is Christ is supreme above all,

or over all.

Christ is supreme over all.

And what connection do you have, other than attending?

You have some kind of a connection with the G3 Conference because you are going down there

to attend some kind of a meeting.

You don't have to divulge anything that's supposed to be private, but I was just curious, what's your affiliation with Josh Bice and the

folks down there?

Yeah, in

the

G3,

other

than that,

such as

yourself,

I'll look

for

you at

the

porta

-potties.

Well, we don't want to alarm our listeners.

There are no need for porta -potties where we're going.

It's going to be held at a very nice facility, as it always is.

This is a new facility from previous years, but I am sure that it is

quite as modern as the others.

But that's where they always put your boot, isn't that right here?

No, I was actually assured by Virgil Walker that this year I will be put in a very prominent place,

so let's hope that actually happens.

I, of course, was exaggerating.

I was doing some whining recently because when I first started going to the G3,

they put me for the first three years in a row, I think, or two years in a row,

right across from Dr. James R. White's booth for Alpha Omega Ministries, so I got a lot of traffic.

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booths that got very little traffic.

So hopefully this will be different this year.

That's right.

I heard you saying that.

Well, by the way, folks, if you would like to join me and Pastor Matt Tarr at the G3 conference

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Well, what was it that actually compelled you

to choose the very theme that we are addressing today?

It's a theme that we have been addressing a lot, but I think it can't

be overstated, these issues, especially since the body of Christ is divided over them.

So why is it that you wanted to speak on when it becomes morally responsible to disobey the

state?

Yeah,

well,

and

that's

what

begins

requiring

the

Department

of Health.

In fact,

let's pick

up right

where you

left

off.

The masks are inherently representatives of something, because we have to go to our first break.

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theme, When It Becomes Morally Responsible to Disobey the State.

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you could pick up from where you left off.

Right, so what I have is a requirement.

And just to let our listeners know, Governor Wolf is the leftist governor of Pennsylvania.

That is correct.

In fact,

when you

said

that

there's

nothing

scientifically

conclusive

about

masks,.

Well, I happen to know quite a number of people, including my own personal physician,

Dr. Joel Yeager, who says there are some things that are scientifically

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That is the correct...

That's exactly correct.

Yeah,

it's

a...

Disgusting.

When

vaccines

for

a

change

in

body

evidence

are

required

by,

they

do

have,

they

have the

authority

to

determine, require...

Really infuriating, that is.

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We are discussing when it becomes morally responsible to disobey the state.

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Pastor Tarr, you were talking about someone you know who was refused

visitation to a physician, an oncologist I believe,

or a hematologist, one or the other, because the patient

was refusing the coronavirus vaccine.

So if you could, pick up there.

People

have actually

died from

the

vaccine.

Well, right.

How do you spell, is that the initials LC or is it LC?

Correct.

Oh, okay, LC.

So LCaction .org.

How many?

COVID -19. 20 ,000.

Wow.

To evaluate.

I

can

see why,

because

the

hospital

system,

to

account

the

mass

analyses,

they

were

not

to

align

them

to

seek

the

same

thing.

In

fact,

we've

got

to pick

up right

where you

left off there,

because we

have to

go to our

final break,.

Which will be much more brief than the other breaks.

So don't forget where you left off there in Romans 12, okay?

Yep, you got it.

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Welcome back.

If you just tuned us in, our guest today has been for the entirety of the program and will

continue for the next 15 minutes or so to be Matt Tarr, pastor of High

Point Baptist Church in Larksville, Pennsylvania.

And right before the break, you were entering into Romans Chapter 12.

You were discussing the renewing of the mind and how the

society has become anti -intellectual, and that even has spilled over into

the professing Church of Christ.

So if you could pick up where you left off, Matt.

Yeah, so we were talking about, you know, Romans,

even

how

we,

I

think,

is

often,

interestingly

enough,

left

out of

the

discussion.

Well, Romans Chapter 13, we

have to

unify that over

to Hebrews

Chapter 13, Verse 7.

And the author of Hebrews tells us,

of course,

we're talking about leaders in the church.

But obviously, within your sphere of authority, would be to forbid a member

from marrying someone when it would be sinful.

Right, absolutely.

Or become engaged to somebody who is still married and intending to divorce

her husband or his wife.

Right,

which

actually

brings

up

Ligonier.

He has been a guest on the program.

And that's why, you

know, we honor our civic authorities.

I

think I

mentioned

before, betray

them, the

needs

that

he

outlined.

He

went

on to obey

the princes

in his own

sphere of authority.

And his guard for him

is therefore

unassailable,

because they are

instructive.

He even tyrannical

to God,

and

yet,

at the same time, he was careful to qualify that.

When our Lord said to render to Caesar what is...

In fact, we're out of time now, Pastor Matt.

And that was definitely a phenomenal presentation

that you gave.

And so much so, you were in such a role, we didn't have time to take any listener questions.

And I'm asking our listeners who submitted questions to resubmit them at a future date when we are

covering a similar subject.

I want to make sure that our listeners have the website of High Point Baptist Church.

It is highpointbaptist .com, highpointbaptist .com.

And don't forget to tune in tomorrow when we have Dr. Tony Acosta, the Professor

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And I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than

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