September 14, 2021 Show with Matt Tarr on “When it Becomes Morally Responsible to Disobey the State for Exceeding Its Authority”

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And that heavy breathing is coming from a very beloved guest of mine. His name is Pastor Matt Tarr. He is the pastor of High Point Baptist Church of Larksville, Pennsylvania, which happens to be a church revitalization effort in northeastern Pennsylvania through the grace advanced ministry of John MacArthur.

And today we are going to be addressing a very timely and important theme, when it becomes morally responsible to disobey the state exceeding its authority. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Matt Tarr.

Thanks, Chris. I apologize. That might be the subject.

I just wanted to make sure our listeners didn't think Darth Vader was my guest today. Well, I happen to be an enormous fan of lively, thunderous preaching, so don't listen to any advice that wears you out before you begin to ascend the pulpit.

Yeah, well, my problem was I...

Yes, as long as you're not shouting at the top of your lungs when you're merely announcing a change in the schedule for the ladies' knitting circle.

That's true. Yeah, that's very true. I like that.

High Point Baptist Church, Church Revitalization, and Conference Plans

Well, tell our listeners, for those of them who are not familiar with High Point Baptist Church in the Larksville, Pennsylvania area, tell us about this congregation.

Yeah, well, High Point Baptist Church was actually started... Wow. Yes. ...although I am...

I'm always leery when a pastor moves his church to the top of a mountain.

Yeah, you know, it just...

Does quasi-Pentecostalism mean they fake faking tongues?

Yeah. You know, I don't know what it...

And I'm sure I just offended some of my very dear friends who I actually believe are very biblically sound in spite of our disagreement on tongues. I don't mean to insult my Pentecostal and charismatic friends.

And there are some among us who are theologically very sound other than the areas of disagreement. So I just wanted to make sure that I gave that disclaimer.

...hundred people over manipulation. That is truly the issue that we're holding the keys to the mortgage or emphasizing the preaching glorified from this last year.

That is such a beautiful area. I loved visiting High Point Baptist Church of Larksville, Pennsylvania during your conference that you had. And just a really gorgeous scenery when entering that area. And the facilities God has given you.

Yeah, and we have another one coming up pretty fast.

Oh, yeah.

Now, I may be misremembering this, but I thought that you also were having Rick Phillips and Phil Johnson, or maybe I'm thinking... No, no, that's right. I'm thinking of a different church. Grace Fellowship.

Well, I'll open the extension.

Yeah, that was Josh Miller of Grace Bible Fellowship in Harrisburg who was having that conference.

Yeah, yeah. It's been probably October, I think.

Yeah, it's for Reformation Day, yeah.

Right.

And if anybody wants more information about High Point Baptist Church of Larksville, Pennsylvania, go to highpointbaptist .com, highpointbaptist .com. Now, I know that you, God willing, are going to be attending the same conference that I am attending that I'm very thrilled about, as I always am, the G3 Conference in Atlanta, Georgia, which is going to be held from Thursday, September 30th, through Saturday, October 2nd.

And the speaker lineup is absolutely extraordinary. It is a lineup that features my dear friend Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, John MacArthur, Dr. Conrad M. Bayway, Voti Baucom, and yes, you heard me right, folks.

We had been saying for a number of weeks that Voti Baucom was taken off the roster because of his health problems, but he is now healthy enough to be replaced, or should I say put back on, not replaced, put back on the roster.

He, God willing, is going to be there. He worked out his schedule to make sure that he was going to be there. And just an amazing, a mind-blowing lineup. The theme is Christ is supreme above all, or over all.

Christ is supreme over all. And what connection do you have, other than attending? You have some kind of a connection with the G3 Conference because you are going down there to attend some kind of a meeting.

You don't have to divulge anything that's supposed to be private, but I was just curious, what's your affiliation with Josh Bice and the folks down there?

Yeah, in the G3, other than that, such as yourself, I'll look for you at the porta-potties.

Well, we don't want to alarm our listeners. There are no need for porta-potties where we're going. It's going to be held at a very nice facility, as it always is. This is a new facility from previous years, but I am sure that it is quite as modern as the others.

But that's where they always put your boot, isn't that right here?

No, I was actually assured by Virgil Walker that this year I will be put in a very prominent place, so let's hope that actually happens. I, of course, was exaggerating. I was doing some whining recently because when I first started going to the G3, they put me for the first three years in a row, I think, or two years in a row, right across from Dr. James R. White's booth for Alpha Omega Ministries, so I got a lot of traffic.

And then all of a sudden, last time, I was oddly in the last row of booths that got very little traffic. So hopefully this will be different this year.

That's right. I heard you saying that.

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Mask Mandates, Government Authority, and Vaccine Exemptions

Well, what was it that actually compelled you to choose the very theme that we are addressing today? It's a theme that we have been addressing a lot, but I think it can't be overstated, these issues, especially since the body of Christ is divided over them.

So why is it that you wanted to speak on when it becomes morally responsible to disobey the state?

Yeah, well, and that's what begins requiring the Department of Health. In fact, let's pick up right where you left off.

The masks are inherently representatives of something, because we have to go to our first break. If anybody wants to join us with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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If you just tuned us in, we are interviewing my friend, Pastor Matt Tarr. He is the pastor of High Point Baptist Church in Larksville, Pennsylvania, and we are addressing the theme, When It Becomes Morally Responsible to Disobey the State.

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Just before the break, Pastor Matt started getting into a discussion on the mask mandates, and if you could pick up from where you left off.

Right, so what I have is a requirement.

And just to let our listeners know, Governor Wolf is the leftist governor of Pennsylvania.

That is correct. In fact, when you said that there's nothing scientifically conclusive about masks,.

Well, I happen to know quite a number of people, including my own personal physician, Dr. Joel Yeager, who says there are some things that are scientifically conclusive, and that means that it's dangerous and harmful for people to be habitually wearing masks, and children especially should not be wearing them habitually.

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Sorry to interrupt you, but whenever we're talking about this, I like to plug my courageous physician, because he is really risking his practice by being so outspoken against the left's positions on this, and the vaccine's as well.

That is the correct...

That's exactly correct.

Yeah, it's a...

Disgusting.

When vaccines for a change in body evidence are required by, they do have, they have the authority to determine, require...

Really infuriating, that is. That's disgusting. In fact, we have to pick you up right where we left off there, because we have to go to our midway break now, Pastor Matt, but let's pick up where you were talking about a loved one of yours, a friend, a loved one, and the hematologist who refuses to see him or her because of a refusal to get vaccinated.

Truly a chilling thing indeed, and I have become convinced that such a physician is either operating out of fear, or trying to maintain or rise in a position of popularity with the government or some other issue, but they have to know that these vaccines are really practically not only worthless for what they are intended, but dangerous.

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If you are a man in ministry leadership, whether you are a pastor, an elder, and by the way, I believe that's the same office, a deacon, a parachurch leader, whatever leadership position you hold as a man in the church or parachurch organization, we ask of you, we invite you to a free event that you will not regret attending.

It is the biannual Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Pastors Luncheon, and this month we are featuring for the very first time ever my dear friend, dating back to 1995, Dr. Conrad Mbewe of Kabwata Baptist Church of Lusaka, Zambia, Africa.

I believe he is the most powerful living preacher alive on the planet Earth. I am not using hyperbole, exaggeration, or sinful flattery. I really believe that. And he has been featured at major conferences such as the Strange Fire Conference, hosted by Dr. John MacArthur, and the G3 Conference that you heard us speaking about earlier, and many other prominent conferences around the United States and globally.