August 26, 2020 Show with Geoff Thomas on “Prayer: Impotence Grasping Omnipotence”

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And this is day number two of our two-day interview with Reverend Jeff Thomas. Yesterday we had Reverend Jeff Thomas speak on Christ in Gethsemane, and today we are going to be following up on that theme with our subject at hand, prayer, impotence, grasping, omnipotence, or to get the meaning more clear, omnipotence, just so you understand what that means.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back for day number two of our discussion, Reverend Jeff Thomas.

Thank you very much, and it's my honor to be on the program. And then for those of you who did not hear yesterday's show,.

Or who have not heard Reverend Jeff Thomas before, I urge you strongly to become familiar with his preaching at sermonaudio .com. And also, if you go to banneroftruth .org and heritagebooks .org, you will see a selection of books written by Pastor Thomas.

And he was also, for 50 years, for half a century, the pastor at one church. And that was Alfred Place Baptist Church in Aberystwyth, Wales. And it is a very rare phenomenon for any pastor to be at one place for half a century.

And now his grandson has taken the mantle and is now pastoring Alfred Place Baptist Church in Aberystwyth, Wales. Could you give our listeners, who did not hear you yesterday, a brief description of that fine historic church?

Amen.

If anybody wants to find out more about Alfred Place Baptist Church of Aberystwyth, Wales, you can go to alfredplacechurch .org .uk. Alfredplacechurch .org .uk. A bit of a tongue-tier thing for me today.

Well, I am very pleased to be speaking to you again about a very important subject, prayer. You could hardly get a more important subject than prayer in the life of a Christian. And the specific theme you wanted to address was prayer, impotence, grasping, omnipotence.

And what exactly do you mean by that?

Right, finished. You don't know prayer.

Powerful and biblically true theme. And I want to give our listeners our email address if they would like to join us in the conversation with a question of their own. It's chrisarnsen at gmail .com, c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence. If you live outside of the USA, please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

We have a question already from CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York. And he says, when we pray, I know that we who are Reformed are very quick to remind others that we should always pray according to the Father's will.

At the same time, sometimes I wonder if our prayer life as Calvinists often reveals a lack of trust and confidence that God will actually answer our prayers. Can you give us a correct way of understanding praying in the will of the Father that does not diminish this confidence?

What a wonderful question. I feel it.

I was explaining to a friend who is not yet a Christian. I have a very strong confidence that this person is being drawn by God due to the evidence demonstrated in his life. But he actually asked me, how should we pray?

And I was trying to explain what it meant to pray according to the will of the Father, and he wanted more explanation. And I said to him, and if you could correct me if you think that I said this improperly or not adequately, but I said to him, the great and glorious thing about praying according to the will of the Father is that Jesus would never answer our prayer in a way that is worse for us than the way he wills the outcome to be.

In other words, when we pray in the will of the Father, that is the very best, it's a promise that he will answer it according to the very best answer that he could provide. Of course.

That's very helpful. Indeed quite, sir. The archetypal man, he's a proper man. He's a pioneer. Doesn't take it any stricter than this.

Praise God. And we have to go to our first break right now. If you'd like to join us with your question, with your own question, please email us at chrisarnson at gmail .com. Chrisarnson at gmail .com.

And as always, give us your first name, city and state and country of residence. And only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. Don't go away. We'll be back with Jeff Thomas and more on prayer.

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This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours is Jeff Thomas, who was the pastor for over half a century at Alfred Place Baptist Church in Aberystwyth, Wales. He is an author, primarily with Banner of Truth and Reformation Heritage Books.

He's also a very highly sought after conference speaker with Banner of Truth and other Reformed ministries. Today, we have the privilege of having him for the second day in a row. Yesterday, we began discussing Christ in Gethsemane, and today we are specifically addressing prayer, impotence, grasping, omnipotence.

And if you'd like to join us with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com. Chrisarnzen at gmail .com. And always please give us your first name, at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. And we do have another anonymous listener, or at least another one from yesterday. We didn't have one yet today, I don't think.

But an anonymous listener says, I am from a Roman Catholic background, and I know that my Roman Catholic friends and family are guilty of the sin of vain repetition when they pray. They keep reciting the same prayers over and over and over again, almost treating them like magical incantations rather than actual communication with God.

And of course, they also sin in idolatrous ways when they cry out to the saints and Mary for answers to prayer. Having said that, is it wrong for a Protestant church or any church that considers itself to be biblical to repeat the Lord's Prayer, for instance, every Sunday during service?

Unless I read it incorrectly, I think you misunderstood the question because the question was not about the Lord's Supper, but the Lord's Prayer. If you recite it every week, is that a sign of being guilty of vain repetition?

And obviously, most evangelical churches that actually do that, that have perhaps a more liturgical worship service, they would not repeat the same prayer over and over and over and over and over again in the same church service.

They would repeat, Chris, the words of institution, but wouldn't they? There would be a repetition there. But I'm sorry, I didn't answer properly your question. You're quite right. I think, well, we need...

Amen. Thank you. And we have another anonymous listener who says, When I became an evangelical, I have been always told that I should not be using prayer books or written prayers that can become mechanical and not be really something that I am crying out to God from my own heart and mind.

And yet, a Reformed Christian friend has been urging me to purchase Valley of Vision, which is a book of prayers reflecting how Puritans prayed. Is this a good move for someone? And will it be robbing me of a personal connection with God when I am praying these previously written prayers?

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People find it helpful to stir up their own praying.

Well, I'm assuming then you do heartily endorse Valley of Vision in spite of the fact that somebody may misuse it or any prayer book. In fact, it just occurred to me that there are even friends of mine who are Reformed Anglicans who use the Book of Common Prayer in their worship and their study of God's Word.

And I even know people outside of Anglicanism who enjoy that. But as long as we are not replacing personal communication with God and using it as an inspiration and an aid to grow and perhaps mature in the way we pray.

I mean, you might have people, especially who are new believers or even believers who have claimed to know Christ for decades, but they have never been taught rightly, and they may just bring a grocery list to God every time they pray.

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Of course. I've just been at a prayer meeting now for Bobby in Hartsdale, New York.

And he says that I have visited churches on occasion when the prayer meetings very often have sadly become like gossip mills where people will be praying, acting as if they are looking out for the best interests of others, but really revealing their sin in public.

Is this not something that is very wicked and something that elders of churches should make sure never happens in a gathered prayer meeting?

I thought he was going to answer it. I was going to say, well, what are the elders doing?

Included your own version of the Songs of Solomon in the devotion of the church. I've got to remember that line. And thank you, Bobby. Very excellent question. And there probably is wisdom also. I mean, I'm not saying that every church has to do it this way.

The church where I'm a member, a church that you are very familiar with because you've preached there, Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania. When they have prayer meetings, the elders specifically ask for certain specific men in the church to pray.

And of course, they invite anyone to give their prayer requests to the elders or to the one leading the prayer service. But they do not encourage anybody just voicing out publicly a prayer that could lead to things like this.

I mean, it might even be somebody that's innocently doing it. They don't even really, they don't have a malicious intent by asking for prayer for somebody that might be involved in sin. But it might be also public knowledge that the person is involved in the sin.

And, you know, so it's not necessarily something that's wrong. But anyway, we have, let's see, another listener. We have RJ in White Plains, New York. And RJ says, when it comes to the public prayer, should our prayers be mainly about spiritual things, or is it all right that they may dominate the physical needs of those present?

It can be too large on reality.

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