March 28, 2023 Show with Chris Durkin on “The Importance of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ”

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Live from historic downtown Carlisle, Pennsylvania, home of founding father James Wilson, 19th century hymn writer

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George Duffield, 19th century gospel minister George Norcross, and sports legend

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Jim Thorpe, it's Iron Sharpens Iron. This is a radio platform in which pastors,

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Christian scholars, and theologians address the burning issues facing the church and the world today.

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Proverbs chapter 27 verse 17 tells us iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.

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It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next two hours, and we hope to hear from you, the listener, with your own questions.

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And now here's your host, Chris Arnzen. Good afternoon,

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Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com.

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 28th day of March, 2023.

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And first of all, I would like to announce to our listeners a request for prayer for the families of the victims of the recent horrific murder of three adults and three nine -year -old children at Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee.

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The murderer was a woman, a biological woman, professing to be a transgendered individual undergoing the process of allegedly becoming a male.

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And that individual was also, as a younger person, a student at Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, and went into the school,

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I believe it was yesterday, and murdered three adults and three nine -year -old children.

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And I just learned that one of the children murdered was the daughter of the senior pastor at Covenant Presbyterian Church in Nashville, the church that hosts

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Covenant School. So please pray for the families of the murder victims.

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Please pray even for the family of the murderer. I don't know what the background is of that family.

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I'm assuming that there's a possibility that family may be professing to be Christian since they enrolled their daughter, who was the murderer, in that school years ago.

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But please pray for all involved. What a tragedy this is.

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And sadly, something that doesn't shock us anymore when we hear about it in the media.

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So please pray for that situation and all of the surviving family members.

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Today we have on the program a first -time guest who came to me at the highest recommendation of Pete Hegseth, who many of you who listen to Iron Sherpa and Zion Radio will likely know that he is a

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Fox News host. And Pete was on this program, actually, not that long ago.

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Pete was the keynote speaker at a fundraising banquet on Long Island, New York, for the

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Grace Christian Academy, which is the school, the classical

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Christian school, operated by my former church, where I was a member in Merrick -Long

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Island, Grace Reform Baptist Church of Merrick -Long Island, before I moved to Pennsylvania.

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And Pete was the keynote speaker, and I was the master of ceremonies at that fundraiser.

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And while sitting at the dinner table with Keith, he strongly recommended that I interview my guest today,

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Chris Durkin, who was Pete's pastor before he relocated to the

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Nashville, Tennessee area. Chris is pastor of Colts Neck Community Church in Colts Neck, New Jersey.

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He's a blogger. And we are going to be addressing today the importance of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the crowning jewel of Christian theology, and we're also going to be promoting part two, which is the

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Easter portion of the Fox Nation documentary hosted by Pete Hegseth and Chris Durkin, The Life of Jesus.

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It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Trump and Zion Radio, Pastor Chris Durkin.

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Chris, thank you so much for having me on the broadcast, on this podcast. It's a joy to discuss together what

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God's Word says about the resurrection of our Lord and our King, Jesus Christ. So thank you for this opportunity.

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The pleasure is mine, brother. And tell us about Colts Neck Community Church. We are a

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Southern Baptist church. We were planted about 50 years ago in what is called

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Central New Jersey or the Jersey Shore. We're about 20 minutes away from the Atlantic Ocean.

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And it's interesting that New Jersey, because the total population of Southern Baptist is 0 .001%.

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So I was blessed and honored to receive the call to shepherd this flock back in 2010.

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My wife and I grew up down in South Jersey and always had a heart for New Jersey.

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We always had a heart for New Jersey, not only as far as where we grew up and what is our home, but also we believe this to be our mission field as well.

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So we received the call. I received the call back in 2010. And at that time, the church had been through a lot of faithful ministry, but a lot of trials and challenges as well.

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We had a small gathering, about 25 people that were gathering here for worship. Over the last 12 years, by God's grace, we have seen dozens and hundreds of people come to faith.

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And it's a joy to serve in an area there, New Jersey. As you know, Chris, it's not exactly the buckle on the

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Bible belt, but at the same time— I think it's known as the ring on the pinky finger, isn't it?

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Yes. New Jersey gets described in a multitude of different ways, which some of them are not entirely appropriate for a podcast.

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Yes. So we have, Chris, by God's grace, we have seen a lot of people come to saving faith, saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, our

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Lord and King. And we have people that are from all over the spectrum. So we have, by God's grace, seen many, many

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Catholics come to know Christ. We have seen many people, especially recently, leave churches that are more of a liberal theological persuasion.

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We tend to be a church where, whether you're Calvary Chapel or you're coming from a charismatic tradition, this is a wonderful gathering of sinners who have been saved by the perfect grace of Jesus Christ.

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So here in Colts Neck, New Jersey, and here in the Jersey Shore, most of the people that gather at Colts Neck Community Church wouldn't describe themselves probably as Southern Baptists.

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They would all— who are born -again Bible -believing Christians. So it's 12 years in, whether it's global pandemics or the hard secular soil of the state that we're called to serve in, it's really been a joy.

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And God gets all the glory because of His sufficient grace. Amen. And if anybody wants more details on this fine congregation,

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Colts Neck Community Church in Colts Neck, New Jersey, go to coltsneckchurch .com,

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coltsneckchurch .com, and hopefully I will remember to repeat that information toward the end of the program.

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And as you may remember, we have a tradition on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

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Whenever I have a first -time guest, we have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony that would include the kind of religious atmosphere, if any, in which they were raised, and what kind of providential circumstances our

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Sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them to Himself and saved them.

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And so I'd love to hear your story. Absolutely. So I grew up down in what is called

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Southern New Jersey, and I grew up in a Catholic family. It was a nominal

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Catholic family in the sense that my family had a cultural, religious, and familial tie to Catholicism.

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But as far as any kind of real devout devotion to Catholicism, it wasn't there.

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It wasn't present. It wasn't my experience growing up. My parents knew enough to christen us and to have our first reconciliation, as they say, and we were on the road to confirmation, we being my brother and I.

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And what happened, Chris, was my parents, they went through a difficult separation and then ultimately a divorce.

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And from the ashes of a broken family and a broken marriage, our saving

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Lord revealed His light, His love, His grace, and His mercy. So from that difficult time, and I'm probably about a young teenager around this time,

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Chris, 13, 14, 15 years old, my mom actually gets invited to another church.

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So we go, Chris, can you imagine this, from a Catholic church to a charismatic church. I remember the

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Mass. I still remember it. I remember the steps. But can you imagine going from a 45 -minute

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Mass to about a two -hour -long charismatic service? Where all of a sudden you see people lifting their hands.

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You see people speaking in different tongues. You see people on the ground. My first time I went to this church,

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Chris, no disrespect, I really did think it was a cult. I would not drink the Kool -Aid after the service. Very quickly, the first non -Roman

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Catholic church I experienced, because I was also raised Roman Catholic before my salvation, I was invited to a church service one

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Wednesday night by my older brother, thinking that he was taking us to a Catholic church service. And it was a tent revival held by Gene Profeta on Long Island.

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Gene Profeta is the one with the notorious reputation of introducing his secretary,

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Jessica Hahn, to Jim Baker. And so this 12 -year -old

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Catholic boy, thinking he's going to a Catholic church service, sees people, like you were saying, writhing on the floor and dancing around and speaking in,

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I never even heard of the concept of speaking in tongues before. And they had an exorcism while I was there.

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And Pastor Profeta warned the congregation, if you're not a believer in Jesus Christ, or if you're a parent with small children, flee from this tent immediately because the demons will leave this young man and enter into your children's souls.

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So I ran out of there as fast as I could. Sorry for interrupting you, but I just wanted to let you know of some similarities we have there.

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Well, yes, I thought I had an interesting experience, but that's pretty interesting.

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So here's what I always say about, and I'm so grateful for that community, because it would be in that community, it would be in that church, where the pastors did preach the

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Bible. They did preach the Word. I don't consider myself a part of that tradition anymore, but at the same time,

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I'm so grateful to God, the Word of God. But at the same time, my mom gets saved there.

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So my mom comes to know Christ, and she would tell you all of this if she were on this podcast.

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But she was making decisions that were not God -honoring. She was making decisions that were not good for me and for my brother.

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God powerfully, supernaturally saves her. And then all of a sudden, she starts to walk that straight and narrow path.

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All of a sudden, she starts to talk and speak of Jesus as if there is a true, genuine love and devotion there.

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We could see the life change, Chris, so I couldn't deny it. I couldn't deny what I saw in my mother. I couldn't deny the joy that I saw in these believers, many whom

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I truly believe, regenerate, born again, saved. But it wouldn't be until I went out to my aunt and uncles out in Missouri.

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After hearing the Word preached over and over and over again, I went out to a youth group out there, and that was about 100 teenagers who were, once again, seemingly born again, passionate about the gospel, saved.

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And it would be that night that the youth pastor would proclaim the gospel. And I don't remember exactly what he said,

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Chris, but it was something to the effect that anyone who ever believed Jesus Christ was who he said he was, the

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Son of God, the Son of Man, Jesus Christ, the Messiah, crucified for our sins, risen and reigning, was never again the same.

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So on the outside, Chris, it looked like everything was fine. I was a good kid, a popular kid, you know, go on to win senior class president, homecoming king.

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But what nobody knew was on the inside, completely dead in my sin, hollowed, emptied, dark, filled with despair.

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And it would be in that light that Jesus Christ would shine His grace. And I didn't answer an altar call.

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I didn't come forward for an invitation. But in my cousin's bedroom that night, Chris, on the He -Man bedsheets,

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I cried out and I just said, Lord, forgive me. Forgive me for my sin. And His Spirit so powerfully worked in my heart and mind that night,

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Chris. I knew it was true. I knew Jesus was alive. I knew that everything that the

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Bible said, everything I heard preached about Christ was now true. And I knew there was no going back.

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So from that moment, as a young teenage man, the Lord captured my heart, saved me, transferred me from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light.

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And I knew, I knew it was all true. And I knew that from here on out, in that faith and in that repentance, the

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Lord was calling me to obedience. And from there, a couple years later, He would call me to serve the local church as a pastor.

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Amen. Well, hallelujah. Always love hearing the story of how our Lord has saved

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His elect, and your story is no different. I just love to hear it. Well, we are going to be discussing things that are connected to each other.

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We're discussing the importance of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, but we're also going to be promoting the

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Easter portion, part two of the Fox Nation documentary, hosted by Pete Hegseth of Fox News and my guest,

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Chris Durkin. The Life of Jesus is the name of the documentary. And before we go into the core of the topic on the resurrection, this documentary was filmed in Israel.

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And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, this was your first trip there? Yes, it was.

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First time I had ever been to Israel. And so tell us about your experiences being there with Pete Hegseth.

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And I know that when you go to a place like that, not that I've been there, but I've seen many times in documentaries and in other forms of media tours of Israel and discussions of Israel and the places they call holy sites.

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There's always a mixture of that which is truly historic.

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You know, they know where Golgotha was, which I think it's now a parking lot or something like that, where our

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Lord was crucified. But then you have other things, other places. And it's interesting how there seems to be a little bit of a competition very often between the

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Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholics as to where these sites actually were where Jesus was born and where other important events took place.

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So you have your mixture of those things that are certain and historic and those things that are up for question and are possibly just related to legend and so on.

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Not the events themselves that took place, but the locations. So tell us just about your experience there, especially as a first -time visitor there, a tourist.

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Yeah, I mean, truly remarkable. It truly was a remarkable experience.

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I tell everyone that even as if you make your visit to Jerusalem, to Israel, you're going to have to deal with some of the tensions.

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You're going to have to deal with worldly religion. You're going to have to deal with some of these sites and some of these churches and the rampant idolatry that you see as people are bowing down and worshiping, it would seem, these practical little monuments or churches.

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You're going to see consumerism. You'll see that as well. I mean, to walk the Via Della Rosa today is to walk through a market, to walk through a place where as Jesus somewhere in that vicinity carried the cross for my sin as he was on his back carrying the sign of my scorn and shame.

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Right now you can buy, you know, falafels and Barbies, right? So you have to deal with the consumerism there.

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And then you also have to deal with what we mentioned, not knowing entirely where the location was.

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But with all of that said, Chris, still so powerful.

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I mean, I remember just getting off the airplane, taking the taxi to the hotel and thinking to myself, my goodness, so much of what we know to be true in God's Holy Word happened in this short space, this limited geographical area in the

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Middle East, in Israel, and just taking the taxi, I was overwhelmed. So it is truly a remarkable experience.

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And we could go into details as far as what places help you to understand and to see the pages of Scripture come alive.

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I was surprised to see that the places where it seemed like we're stepping directly into the

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Bible were the ones that really impacted me the most. Like when

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I went to the Holy Sepulcher, a church that has been around since nearly the third or fourth century, which is truly astounding and remarkable.

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But because of all the icons and because of all the different ways people are bowing down and worshipping all these things, still powerful.

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But to be honest, it would be at the Sea of Galilee. It would be on the Southern Steps, which are still the same

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Southern Steps as 2 ,000 years ago. It would be at the Garden Tomb. It would be areas like where they believe

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Jesus was whipped and scourged. Those areas where you really feel like you're walking into the pages of Scripture without too much worldly religion, without too much consumerism,

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Chris, it hits you like a ton of bricks. It just does. And you're going to see it in the second half of the documentary.

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To be in the spot where they believe Jesus was whipped and scourged, you just feel that emotion.

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You just do. So I highly recommend it to any Christian that's able to go, even despite some of the challenges.

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It truly is a remarkable experience. And as you're reading your Bible and as you're retracing the steps of Jesus, it gives you vision.

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It gives you eyes. It gives you places and locations to see what the Bible has always said. Great. And I know that the website for Fox News is foxnews .com.

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And there are different areas to click for media and so forth.

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And also, I know that your congregation, I don't know if this is open to the general public or only to your congregation, but on March 31st, from 6 .30

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p .m. to 8 .00 p .m., you are having an event,

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The Life of Jesus Part II Dinner and Documentary Night. Tell us about that. Yes.

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So we're doing a special early screening of the documentary here at the church this

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Friday night. Pete's going to be in town. He still flies up from Nashville to New York every weekend to do

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Fox & Friends. So Pete will be in town. He's going to stop by and say hi to the church.

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Him and Jenny and the kids became such a dear part of this community. It's always a joy to see him again.

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So we're going to show the three episodes of this documentary, the second half of this documentary, on Friday night.

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So have a great time of food and fellowship. And we're hoping it's a great opportunity for people to invite others because,

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Chris, by God's grace, this documentary is so filled with the Word and with the gospel.

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It's a great opportunity to invite people that might not feel comfortable coming to a church service on Sunday, but they might go see a dinner and a documentary.

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So we're hoping to equip, to edify the body here in Colts Neck, but we're also hoping it's a bridge for somebody to come and watch this documentary and to hear the not only factual archaeological truths of the documentary, but then, of course, that it would all lead to God's Word, which will lead to God's Son, so that they might repent and believe.

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Amen. And if you want more details on this event, the Life of Jesus Part 2 dinner and documentary night on March 31st, that's this

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Friday, 630 p .m. to 8 p .m. at Colts Neck Community Church in Colts Neck, New Jersey.

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Go to coltsneckchurch .com forward slash events, coltsneckchurch .com

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forward slash events. And do you have any other way that people can RSVP for this?

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Yes, if they're local, they can call the office. You can call our office 732 -462 -0772 or just come.

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You know, the first time we showed the documentary back at Christmas, we were nervous about feeding everybody.

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We're just going to pack them in. We'll figure out the food later. Even if people can't make it for dinner, if you're in the area, you want to stop by at 7 p .m.,

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we'll try to find a seat for you in the sanctuary. But really excited, excited not only to have a night where we can watch the documentary, but then also to gather on Sunday for Palm Sunday to wave those palm branches and shout,

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Hosanna, Hosanna, our Lord saves. Lord willing, Chris, it's going to be a wonderful weekend of ministry.

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And do you know when the documentary will actually be available to the general public globally on Fox Nation?

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Palm Sunday, I believe. So I think they're going to upload it to Fox Nation on Palm Sunday. And usually they have a trial if people don't want to subscribe, but they kind of want to just get a feel for what's available on Fox Nation.

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And a lot of what's on Fox Nation is very, very appropriate and good for families.

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Obviously, a lot of cultural, political issues. But there's plenty of things for Christian families on Fox Nation.

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For Christmas, I haven't heard word yet. They usually don't know these things too far in advance, believe it or not.

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But at Christmas, they actually showed an edited version of it on Fox News at 10 p .m.

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So, Lord willing, that will also happen next week. But I don't have any details about that yet.

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But people can watch it as soon as Palm Sunday, this Sunday. If they want to download

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Fox Nation, subscribe, you'll really be encouraged and blessed, I believe, by watching this documentary.

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It will, once again, remind you of the power of the gospel, the archaeological, historical, factual truths of our faith.

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And then I hope, my hope is that as they watch us in the Holy Land, it will give them greater confidence in God's Holy Word.

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Also, before I forget to announce it later, I want to let our listeners know that if you want to, at some point after this live broadcast, listen to the interview

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I conducted on September 26th of last year with Pete Hegseth on his book,

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Battle for the American Mind, Uprooting a Century of Miseducation, go to ironsharpensironradio .com,

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ironsharpensironradio .com, and type into the search engine, Hegseth. I can assure you he is the only person

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I've ever interviewed with that name. So his interview will be the only one that comes up.

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Pete Hegseth, H -E -G -S -E -T -H. And I hope that you enjoy that interview.

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We're going to our first commercial break right now. Just to let you know, Chris, since we didn't have time to discuss this before the live broadcast, you are not going to hear the commercials, so don't worry that you are kicked off the air or something.

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There's going to be a long ten -minute or so pause of silence on your end. Everybody else listening hears the commercials.

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You will not. And it might be wise for you to mute your microphone, because every single noise you make will be magnified like a million times during this commercial break.

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And you'll hear me return to the program when we are back to our live discussion.

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And if you have a question about the Resurrection that you would like to ask

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Pastor Chris Durkin, send it to ChrisArnzen at gmail .com. ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

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As always, please give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the

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USA. Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

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And we are talking today about the importance of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the crowning jewel of Christian theology.

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The issue of the resurrection, as you know full well, Chris, is a vital one.

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In fact, if you go to Romans 10 9 -10, we read,

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If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God raised

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Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

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And obviously a core element of that whole concept from the

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God -breathed words of Scripture coming through the writing of the Apostle Paul is that you believe in your heart that God raised

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Jesus Christ from the dead. So this is no trivial area of Christian faith, or it's not an area of secondary or tertiary importance.

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There are tragically, as you know, liberal apostate denominations that still wear the name

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Broadway to shame. And yet many of these same houses of so -called worship, which are really synagogues of Satan, deny the very thing that they claim to be celebrating, the bodily resurrection of Christ.

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But if you could continue on why this is such a profound and vital area of Christian belief and life.

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Absolutely. Well, I mean, if we turn to 1 Corinthians 15, the

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Bible, God's Word, places it all on the resurrection. So it says in 1

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Corinthians 15, verse 12, I'm sure many of your listeners are familiar with this passage. The Bible says,

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Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say there is no resurrection of the dead?

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But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.

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And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.

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And then verse 17, if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.

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So the simple truth is, is that if Jesus Christ did not raise, if there is no resurrection, then there should not be any

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Christianity at all. The Bible puts it all on the risen reigning

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Lord. The Bible says that without the resurrection of Christ, our preaching is in vain.

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So Chris, that simply means all those biblical principles, all those promises apart from Jesus Christ resurrection would mean nothing.

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And then the Bible says, without the resurrection of Christ, our faith is in vain, meaning that without the resurrection, there would be no

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Christianity at all. We should close our doors. We should close our churches.

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If Christ did not rise, Chris, then the cross was the end of the story. Like John MacArthur played, he said, without the resurrection,

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Jesus's death becomes the heroic death of a noble martyr or the pathetic death of a madman or the execution of a fraud.

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Meaning that, Chris, if Christ only died, then he also lied.

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If Christ only died, he also lied because throughout his ministry, he said these events would happen.

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He said he would go to Jerusalem. He said he'd be betrayed. He said he would be crucified, but then he said repeatedly, not just to his disciples but even to his detractors, that on the third day he would rise.

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So not only is our preaching futile, is our faith futile, are we still dead in our sins, but then the actual character of Christ is impugned because it makes him out to be a liar.

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So in the resurrection, the Bible places the entirety of Christian truth.

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Amen. And isn't it also extremely important that a right and biblically correct understanding of that resurrection is taught?

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You have cults, like the Jehovah's Witnesses, who believe that it was some kind of a phantom body, a spirit body that rose up from the tomb after Christ died.

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You have even, among conservative evangelicals, some who have been titled or labeled hyper -preterists who seem to call into question what kind of body it was that Jesus Christ was raised in.

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And this is a vital aspect about—you can't just say, I believe, that Christ rose. It has to be his actual physical body that you're referring to.

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Am I correct? Absolutely. So the witness of Scripture. The witness of Scripture is completely committed to not just a historical resurrection, not just a literal resurrection, not just a factual resurrection, but a bodily resurrection, that this wasn't

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Jesus' spirit emanating. No, he was risen in a new bodily form.

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He's the firstborn from among the dead, but he was risen. He's still bearing the scars of his crucifixion today.

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As 1 Corinthians 15 also says, he appeared to 500 of the brothers, more than 500 of the brothers.

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He enjoyed meals with his disciples. Thomas, in that room when all the disciples were hiding in fear, doubting

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Thomas, as we say, became declaring Thomas. Thomas, who put his hands in Jesus' side and felt the real wounds there, who put his fingers in Jesus' hands and felt the scars there, doubting

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Thomas becomes declaring Thomas, and at the end of John's gospel says, my

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Lord and my God. So the resurrection is so important, and I like how you described it.

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It's a crown jewel, and in the same way a jeweler will put a diamond in front of a dark black backdrop, when we see the diamond that is the gospel and the resurrection of Jesus Christ, not only does it shine so brightly against the dark bleak backdrop of sin and death, but when you look at a diamond, it refracts in so many different ways,

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Chris. So there's so many different aspects that help us not only understand what the

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Bible says about the resurrection, but what it means for us. Yes, we need to believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ our

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Lord. The New Testament proclaims it. Yes, we are beholden to it, and it's a glorious truth.

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One of the reasons why this is so essential is that it is proof positive that Jesus, in his propitiatory sacrifice on Calvary, where he bore the sins of his people on the cross, and I love the way that it has been phrased that our sins have been imputed to Christ, and Christ's righteousness has been imputed to us.

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The great exchange, I love that phrase, the great exchange. If Christ had not risen from the dead, there would be no reason to believe he had victory over death.

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Am I right? Amen, yes. And I think most Christians are familiar with the victory of Christ, but the

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Bible also proclaims that the resurrection is the vindication of Christ, and his resurrection is a vicarious resurrection.

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So victory of Christ, Chris, clearly means that Jesus Christ is overcome. Jesus Christ has not only overcome what you and I could not.

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Jesus Christ has overcome what no prophet or apostle could accomplish. Jesus Christ has overcome what no world global religious leader or king has ever accomplished.

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Jesus Christ has overcome the grave. Jesus Christ is alive. When death comes, death was the undefeated champion.

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Death reigned and ruled ever since the Garden of Eden. Jesus Christ has overcome not only death, but he's victorious over our sin, paying its full penalty, declaring that saving, atoning, propitionary work.

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It is finished, but then also has crushed the head of that serpent, and yes, now gives victory to all who believe.

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But the beautiful diamond crown jewel, like you said, of the resurrection, is that it's not just victory, it's vindication, meaning that when

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Jesus rose, it was the yes and amen that said that everything

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Jesus ever said about his claims, his identity, his nature as the

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Son of God, the resurrection, Chris, is the yes and amen to say it's all true. Everything Christ said about himself is all true, and then lastly, it's vicarious.

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So that means simply this, that when Jesus Christ died, he didn't just die, he died in our place for our sins, that there is a vicarious, like you said, like the

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Reformers said, great exchange. 2 Corinthians 5, 20 and 21, he who knew no sin became sin, so we might become the righteousness of God.

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So how powerful it is that not only, and most Christians, if you are a Christian, you should believe this,

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Jesus, the Passover Lamb, died for my sin and for your sin and for the sins of those who call upon his name, but he also rose vicariously for us as well.

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And that's why Romans 6 is so helpful in this regard. Romans 6, 1 through 4, speaking of baptism, says,

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What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means.

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How can we who die to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized in Christ Jesus were baptized in his death?

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We were buried, therefore, with him by baptism in a death, in order that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the

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Father, we too might walk in newness of life. So, Chris, in the end, it's victory, it's vindication, and in Christ's resurrection, that is our hope of resurrection as well.

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Amen, and we have to go to our midway break right now. Please be patient with us, folks, as the midway break is always a little longer than the other breaks because Grace Life Radio, 90 .1

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We simultaneously, however, air our globally heard commercials, so please use this time wisely not only write down questions for our guest today,

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Pastor Chris, we have an anonymous listener.

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The anonymous listener says, I have friends who are in the

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Oneness Pentecostal and Word of Faith Pentecostal cults, and they believe that Jesus Christ was tortured physically in hell before raising from the dead.

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Apparently, they get this, no doubt, in a misreading of the

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Apostles' Creed, where it teaches that Christ descended into hell.

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And then also in Ephesians 4 verse 9, it says in most English translations that Christ descended first to the lower parts of the earth, which most scholars that I'm familiar with just believe refers to the grave.

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How do you respond to this dangerous heresy? Yes, I think it's very, very important to affirm what the

01:17:30

Bible affirms, to understand what is clear, and then to see things that you might not believe to be clear through the lens of what is absolutely clear.

01:17:41

So we can think of even the moment where Jesus Christ is crucified, and you have that faithful moment where the thief crucified next to Christ, and Jesus says,

01:17:52

I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise. So to think that Jesus Christ descended into hell to be tortured by demons, even that imagery is awful, but to think that he descended into hell by some misreading of Ephesians 4 or the

01:18:12

Apostles' Creed, I think what's important to understand is that sometimes the Old Testament and sometimes the

01:18:19

New will describe death as a place of Sheol, will describe the grave as a place that is synonymous with the place of the undead.

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To describe Jesus going down and being tortured by demons is a very, very, very difficult and disturbing biblical doctrine to suggest.

01:18:42

I think what we need to proclaim is that Jesus Christ paid the penalty in full for our sin, and there was no need for him to be tortured by demons to do this.

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As we mentioned in the first half hour or the first hour of this broadcast, Chris, Jesus proclaimed it is finished, that that atoning work was accomplished on the cross.

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There was no needed additional atoning work to be done in hell, that Jesus Christ did it all on the cross.

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So I think it's very, very dangerous. And whenever you have a one -ism movement that denies the very nature of the

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Trinity itself, then that creates all kinds of red flags as far as what kind of other dangerous, unbiblical, interpretive license they're going to take with some of these other things that supposedly people have taught throughout church history.

01:19:36

Yes, and it's also a complete misunderstanding of what hell is.

01:19:43

There is the fictitious understanding of hell that perhaps was perpetuated by Dante's Inferno and the paintings associated with that, where Satan and the demons are ruling in hell.

01:20:00

That's not the case. Satan and the demons are going to be tortured for eternity in hell, in fact, hell was prepared for them, even though, of course, damned human beings who have not been saved by the blood of Christ will go there too, but it was primarily a torture chamber prepared for the devil and his angels.

01:20:23

So this concept of Jesus, in fact, I even saw, I was so disappointed,

01:20:30

I'm not going to mention the very well -known Christian theater, but I saw a play on the resurrection of Christ that included this concept of after Jesus' death, he was tied to a chair and blindfolded as demons danced around him, whipping him, and Satan laughing in his presence.

01:20:52

This never happened, and it's a total rewriting of what the

01:20:58

Bible means about eternal death and eternal torment in hell, am

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I right? Yeah, and this is why any creed needs to come under the authority of Holy Scripture, and this is also why we have to be very discerning.

01:21:15

Listen, I'm part of a documentary to use imagery of Jesus. You have to be very, very discerning as far as your knowledge of God's Word and the power of pictures, the power of images and demonstrations of the gospel accounts.

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And I have conversations with our people about this all the time because oftentimes our folks don't know where the movie starts and God's Word begins.

01:21:42

So to present that at a Christian theater is to plant in believers' minds something that not only doesn't happen in Scripture, but that is so powerful because we are so visual that it will get implanted, and many of the people that don't see that will actually think, well, that must have really happened.

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Very, very dangerous. So Christians have to be discerning. Even as I'm not against depictions of Jesus, let it be straight from God's Word.

01:22:11

Let it be straight from Holy Scripture. Amen. By the way, Anonymous, if you are a first -time questioner, you have won a free, new,

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We have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, who asks,

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What is the correct understanding of 1 Peter 3, verses 18 and 19, which reads,

01:23:04

For Christ also suffered four sins, once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God.

01:23:12

Having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit, in which he also went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison.

01:23:23

Those last words are the words that confuse me. What exactly does that mean?

01:23:32

Yes, and this is another verse connected to the previous question by the Anonymous questioner, is to say, well, when

01:23:39

Jesus pronounces this, or the Bible says in 1

01:23:45

Peter 3 that Jesus pronounced this, does it mean, once again, that he descended into hell like the

01:23:53

Creed says? I think you have to be careful. I think you have to be careful because, once again, this proclamation of Jesus' victory to those who are lost in darkness does not necessarily mean that he had to descend and to be tortured in hell.

01:24:11

So what we can see in Scripture is that, like you mentioned earlier, Chris, is that God is sovereign not only over heaven.

01:24:20

God is sovereign over hell. That there is a certain understanding of hell, the nature of hell.

01:24:29

God created it for Satan and his demons, and, tragically, there are many and many, many throughout the generations that reject

01:24:37

Christ and are there as well. What we have to understand is that if Jesus were to descend into hell, it's not as if Satan reigns there.

01:24:47

God reigns there. They already know that God reigns and rules there. So I think to understand this is to, once again, understand that sometimes the

01:24:57

Bible is speaking of that place as if a place where it's just about those who are dead in their sin, those that truly need to be regenerate, truly need to be saved, truly need to know the resurrecting power of Jesus.

01:25:12

So I think anything beyond that we have to be cautious, even though it's a great question to ask, and there are many faithful Bible scholars that will take a different nuance in that, but you have to interpret what is not always clear through what is absolutely clear, and we have to be careful about suggesting that Jesus Christ was tormented in hell even as His proclamation went forth to those who are dead in sin.

01:25:40

Amen. Yes, the ultimate wrath or torture that Jesus Christ experienced, even above and beyond the nails that went through His hands and feet on Calvary's cross by Roman soldiers and also, of course, even prior to that, the scourging at the pillar and so forth, but the ultimate torture was when

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His Father poured His wrath upon Christ in our stead, which made that a perpetuatory sacrifice where that wrath that we deserve was turned away from us and taken upon voluntarily by Christ Himself.

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So the devil and his demons need not add anything to that.

01:26:34

No Christian is ever going to experience the torment that Jesus did, that indescribable torment of the

01:26:44

Father's wrath on that cross. Amen. And once again, just because the power of creeds as far as— and I'm not against creeds per se.

01:26:53

I'm not against theological statements. I'm not against the Heidelberg Confession or the Westminster Confession.

01:26:58

I mean these are very, very helpful and very, very powerful tools to teach our faith. But at the same time, when it says in 1

01:27:05

Peter 3, verse 19, in which He went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, we are so probably used to thinking prison means hell because of creeds or different enactments of Jesus' death.

01:27:19

But no, I mean if you read the beginning of the Gospel of Luke, for example, when it talks about how

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Jesus Christ the Messiah has come in the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy to liberate the captives, this is not speaking specifically of Jesus breaking into a literal prison, but He is going to deliver those who have been enslaved in their sin.

01:27:46

So Jesus Christ did take the wrath of God. It's very, very important for Christians to understand that not only did

01:27:52

Jesus save us from our sin and from death and also from Satan, but Jesus came to save us from the wrath of God.

01:28:02

And this was all God's good will, that God could only save us from God, that we needed to be saved, yes, from our wrath, but from His due just penalty and from an eternity in hell.

01:28:16

So Jesus Christ took our place on the cross, and He is our propitiation.

01:28:22

He took the full wrath of God. So our judgment day, if we could put it this way,

01:28:28

Chris, is not future. It is past. Jesus Christ took my sin, our sin, whoever trusts and believes in Christ on the cross 2 ,000 years ago.

01:28:39

Amen. And we have Joseph in South Central Pennsylvania who asks,

01:28:45

In what way did your trip to Israel with Pete Hegseth challenge or impact your faith?

01:28:53

And did you learn anything that you did not previously know? That is a great question.

01:29:00

Well, I think because you're walking in the literal steps where Jesus walked.

01:29:07

Clearly, I mean, if you wanted to read, for example, Peter, when he talks about how in his epistles looking back on his life, his ministry, his experience with Jesus, he says that he was not only earwitnesses but eyewitnesses, and yet what is even more sure is

01:29:25

God's prophetic word. So I encourage our viewers of the first part of the documentary to say,

01:29:31

Okay, if you can't be here in the Holy Land, trust God's inspired, sufficient Holy Word.

01:29:37

Because what we have here, Peter says, is even more reliable than what you could see and hear in the Holy Land. With that said, with that said,

01:29:45

Chris, my goodness, I think to see the beauty of Galilee and so much of Jesus's ministry happened in Galilee, and to see that even on Galilee, you could see the slope where Jesus taught the

01:29:58

Sermon on the Mount or the Garden of Gethsemane, to actually be in the garden where Jesus was sweating so profusely, it was like drops of blood, and he's just a stone throw away,

01:30:10

Chris, from the temple. I mean, I didn't envision that. I thought it was some kind of detached, distant thing. When Jesus Christ is on his face and he's sweating droplets of blood, he is looking to Jerusalem.

01:30:22

He sees where he's going to be betrayed. He sees where he's going to be crucified. So to see it spatially with your own eyes not only helps the pages of Scripture have a picture, but then you see how it's all interconnected,

01:30:35

Chris. It really is remarkable. I encourage all your listeners, if they have the means, if they have the ability, to go make that trip because in the end, once again, it'll encourage and equip, and it'll help their confidence that God's Word, as it always has been, always will be, is entirely infallibly true.

01:30:53

Now, at the risk of sounding like I may be offending you and Pete, and that's far from what my intent is, but just to clarify to our listeners, isn't there a danger when people exalt too highly pilgrimages such as this, or visits, or vacations, or tours, when they almost look at that in a sacramental fashion, that this is something that makes them a better Christian?

01:31:28

It's something that they would not be as a child of God had they not visited there.

01:31:36

Now, I'm not talking about how this may bring joy to one's heart, may educate people, and all the things that you just mentioned, but can we not overstate or exalt things like this too highly?

01:31:52

Absolutely, and that's why it's very, very important that we have to emphasize God's Holy Word over and over and over again because this is not like Islam, where this is literally one of their pillars of faith, where we're not required to make our pilgrimage to quote -unquote

01:32:07

Mecca. And here's the reality, Chris. There really is not that big of a regenerate

01:32:14

Bible -believing Christian presence in Jerusalem in Israel. I mean, there's pockets, there's a remnant, but that's what's most shocking, right?

01:32:22

I don't even know if you heard about recently the legislature that was attempted to be passed in Jerusalem that would outlaw

01:32:31

Christian preaching. When I talked to Messianic Jews there, those are the people that are struggling the most because not only are they

01:32:40

Jews who believe in Yeshua, Jesus, Messiah, but they don't seem to have a home because in the minds of the

01:32:50

Jews there, and we should pray for them, pray that they would come to know Christ as Messiah, but they actually look at Messianic Jews, quote -unquote, with more reproach than they do for Gentile Christians.

01:33:04

So it's very, very hard to be a Messianic Jew believer in Jerusalem. So the irony, of course, is this, that there's people walking through Jerusalem right now that don't know

01:33:17

Jesus. They could spend years and decades and an entire lifetime in what is called, quote -unquote, the

01:33:23

Holy Land and never know the Holy One, never say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. So I think it's a joy, like you said, that's a good way to describe it.

01:33:32

We have to be careful. Yeah, I mean there's a certain wisdom in kind of tempering our language to say, all right, unless you go, you'll never understand the

01:33:41

Bible. No, mercy. There's no way that's true. You can understand more about God's Word in New Jersey or in Pennsylvania or wherever your listeners might be listening than people that are currently living in the very place where Jesus lived, died, and rose again.

01:33:56

Yes, an interesting story that I heard years ago when Baruch Maoz visited the church where I was a member and preached there.

01:34:07

He is a native -born Israeli Christian, and he was at the time pastoring a

01:34:16

Grace and Truth Christian congregation in Tel Aviv, and he was having, the church there was having a major event that was involving the mailing out of invitations to many people, many citizens across Israel, and somehow some rabbis got a hold of the letter, and they photocopied the stationery and had sent out their own letter that the event was canceled.

01:34:55

When the church found out about this, they were able to make numerous phone calls alerting people to the fact that the cancellation was a forgery.

01:35:05

And then when the rabbis realized that this attempt to ruin the event was backfiring, they sent dump trucks of manure that were spread all over the parking lot and thrown at the building.

01:35:24

And the thing that again backfired is that the non -Christian neighbors of that church,

01:35:34

Israelis who were not believers in Christ, they were so mortified about what would happen that they assisted the church in cleaning up the mess.

01:35:43

So again, you have another backfiring and Jesus' plan moves forward no matter what human beings may do to thwart it.

01:35:55

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John Sampson, pastor of King's Church in Peoria, Arizona. Taking a moment of your day to talk about Chris Arnson and the

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Iron Sharpens Iron podcast. I consider Chris a true friend and a man of high integrity. He's a skilled interviewer who's not afraid to ask the big penetrating questions while always defending the key doctrines of the

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This is a day of great spiritual compromise and yet God has raised Chris up for just such a time.

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Knowing this, it's up to us as members of the body of Christ to stand with such a ministry in prayer and in finances.

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Hope Reformed Baptist Church in Corham, Long Island, New York, pastored by Rich Jansen and Christopher McDowell.

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It's such a joy to witness and experience fellowship with people of God like the dear saints at Hope Reformed Baptist Church in Corham who have an intensely passionate desire to continue digging deeper and deeper into the unfathomable riches of Christ in His Holy Word and to enthusiastically proclaim

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I hope you can join me and Chris Arnson at the Chief End of Man Conference in Ridgecrest May 4 -6.

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The Chief End of Man Conference is a national conference of church and family life which exists to proclaim the sufficiency of Scripture.

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At this conference you'll hear Paul Washer, Joel Beakey, Scott Anial, Josh Bice and lots of other great preachers, some of my favorite preachers.

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And also we're having a pre -conference. It's a singles conference May 3 and 4 just before our big national conference.

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I hope you can come. For more information go to ChurchAndFamilyLife .com

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ChurchAndFamilyLife .com Hope to see you there. Yes, I hope to see you there in Ridgecrest, North Carolina for this conference.

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I intend to be there and I would love to see Iron Trip and Zion Radio listeners there especially those that I have never before met.

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Iron Shepherd's Iron Radio on the air through his financial support. We're back with our interview with Chris Durkin on the importance of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the crowning jewel of Christian theology, and we have a question from Thomas in West Islet, New York, and Thomas asks, can you please explain this text in 1

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Corinthians 15, verse 50? Now I say this, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

01:54:36

How does this text remain compatible with the fact that Jesus Christ raised in a physical body, the same body with which

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He walked the earth prior to His execution on Calvary and resurrection?

01:54:55

Yes, absolutely, that is a wonderful question. So I think what we have to remember is that Jesus, as we mentioned in the first hour of this broadcast,

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Chris, was that His resurrection, as the Bible proclaims, as the gospel has always proclaimed, is a literal and bodily resurrection.

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And even as Jesus Christ is risen, Jesus Christ is also the firstborn from among the dead, that there is something about His resurrection that is also about how

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He, through His victory over death, is also a prototype of our resurrected bodies.

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So we have to be careful because even as the perishable cannot inherit the imperishable, or like it says here in 1

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Corinthians 50, as our friend said, for this perishable body must put on the imperishable and this mortal body must put on immortality, that the vision of the book of Revelation is that we are dwelling in a new heavens and new earth and we are given new bodies.

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So there is a certain amount of mystery here. Our minds can't fully comprehend it.

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And at the same time, we will not be detached ethereal spirits in God's presence.

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We will be given a new body in the new heavens and the new earth, and Jesus Christ is this firstborn from among the dead.

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Jesus Christ in His resurrected body is also how He gives life to us in the new heavens and the new earth.

01:56:39

Excellent answer. And I would like you now to summarize all the information that you need to provide for our listeners on watching the documentary, the

01:56:51

Easter portion, part two of the Fox Nation documentary hosted by you and Pete Hexeth, The Life of Jesus.

01:56:59

Yeah, we would love your listeners to check out the documentary. We really think you'll be blessed and encouraged by it, most of all, because it will, as much as we were able to teach the

01:57:12

Bible, proclaim the gospel, it is a wonderful opportunity, not only to learn about those historical sites in Jerusalem and in Israel, but to try to understand

01:57:23

God's word even better. And that was my true passion for doing it. And Chris, what a joy it is to be on Iron Shepherds Iron and to talk about the resurrection.

01:57:33

Listen, I love how D .A. Carson once said it. There's nothing we're facing that a good resurrection can't fix.

01:57:39

Amen. Amen. There's nothing we're facing that the hope of a gospel new life in Christ as proclaimed in every faithful church, every

01:57:49

Lord's Day, but then sometimes we're given the opportunity to do it through documentaries. That's our hope that people would have hope in the risen

01:57:57

Christ. There's nothing a good resurrection can't fix. Well, you know, Pete Hexeth was not exaggerating when he told me at that dinner table at the fundraising banquet where he was the keynote speaker and I was the emcee, when he said how sharp you are and when he said that not only did he want me to interview you, but he said he wouldn't have done the documentary on Fox Nation without you.

01:58:25

Now I know why, and I'm fully convinced that he was not using hyperbole now.

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And I look forward to you returning to this program soon and often.

01:58:36

And I want to repeat the information. If you want to watch the documentary on Fox Nation, you can go to foxnews .com,

01:58:47

foxnews .com forward slash media, and then you just keep checking around for where you can watch the

01:58:56

Fox Nation documentary that we've been discussing. And also if you want to go to the

01:59:01

Life of Jesus Part II dinner and documentary night at the

01:59:06

Colts Neck Community Church in Colts Neck, New Jersey, go to coltsneckchurch .com

01:59:12

forward slash events, coltsneckchurch .com forward slash events, and you'll see right at the top that the

01:59:19

Life of Jesus Part II dinner and documentary night is right there. I want to thank you so much,

01:59:25

Chris, for being such an extraordinary guest. I want to thank everybody who listened, especially those who took the time to write in questions.

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I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.