March 16, 2020 Show with Gary DeMar on “The Bible, Pandemics & Quarantine” PLUS Chris MacDowell on “The Christian & Fear”

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The Bible, Pandemics, and Quarantine

And today we are talking about a very timely and important subject, the Bible, pandemics, and quarantine. That's for the first hour of the program. The second hour of the program we are going to be joined by Chris McDowell, one of two pastors at Hope Reform Baptist Church of Coram, Long Island, New York, and we're going to be discussing the Christian and fear.

And we're also, throughout this broadcast today, going to be announcing a free Bible conference with Gary DeMar, my first guest, which will be held in Coram, New York, at Hope Reform Baptist Church on Friday and Saturday of this week, that's March 20th and 21st.

And Gary is also going to be preaching at the Sunday morning services at Hope Reform Baptist Church on the Lord's Day. But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back so soon to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Gary DeMar.

Good to be back.

And Gary, it's a no-brainer why you wanted to discuss the theme we are addressing today, the Bible, pandemics, and quarantine. And we're going to get to that very shortly, God willing. But first, to satisfy the curiosity of our listeners, why don't you tell our listeners about the God, the government, and the last days conference that you will be speaking at March 20th and 21st of this week.

Well, I was invited to come up and address those times, but where we are, government isn't for government. I said, yes, yes, I just rejected that. Our government already has too much to be dealing with.

When you look at something like temporary...

Yes, and unfortunately, as you know, these are the kinds of events where those in political authority and power use these circumstances, take advantage of them to flex their muscles and to really usurp more authority over the citizens than they are constitutionally supposed to have, in my opinion.

Oh, yeah, and I want you to think about a few things. Medicine, but maybe a...geared up their manufacturing. Governments and bureaucracies cannot do that. Well, there are certain bureaucrats on it, they were going to prepare for the possibility of something like this, and they got calls from...and he could.

And overnight, they just, they turned out the...and so on in politics in order to do something. You might say, well, they're going to make money doing this. And there's nothing wrong with that. Some are very careful about federal government and state government...

Well, we will, God willing, repeat this information later on in the broadcast, but this is going to be, as I said, the theme of the conference this Friday and Saturday, March 20th and 21st, God, the Government, and the Last Days at Hope Reformed Baptist Church of Coram, Long Island, New York.

And the website to go to for more information is reformedrookie .com, reformedrookie .com. You can also go to reformedrookie .net. And at the top of the page, right next to Home, it says Damar Conference.

You click on that, and it has all the details you need. You can also call Hope Reformed Baptist Church of Coram, Long Island, at 631 -696 -5711. 631 -696 -5711. Well, it may surprise people to learn that in the midst of this scary situation that the globe is involved in right now, the entire planet Earth seems to be involved in this in some form or another, the Bible does have something to say about pandemics and quarantine, and if you could start with pandemics.

Well, I think that since we're talking about the conference of God and government and eschatology, Bible prophecy, a lot of people have been saying this is a sign of the end times. And as a result of that, there'll be a lot of people who think it's coming back soon, animal sacrifices, the Antichrist is going to come in and make a deal with the Jews, all hell is going to break loose.

In fact, every generation that's come about has made the same types of predictions based upon what you find in Matthew's Gospel, Matthew chapter 24. And there will be great earthquakes, and in various places, plagues and famines.

It killed her mother, who was 97 years old years ago. And she isn't talking about the end of the world. She's talking about every generation of people is going to return. And what they've been saying there for two decades is all about those events.

It's well documented by certainly the great Greek words, there's a whole wide world that can only attack confines of the Roman Empire.

And as far as quarantine, there are a lot of people who are resting more peacefully because they know others are being quarantined. Or have been diagnosed as having the coronavirus. But then again, there are many others who may be terrified that they will be one of those who will soon be quarantined.

But tell us about what the Bible has to say about that.

Well, we have to remember that it's only been rather recently that we understood how the diseases were transferred. We didn't know what the virus looked like. It looked like any concept of a nutball. But the chemist, Paul Ehrlich, was able to use his microscope and looking at those cells to distinguish them from other things.

And they could see them moving and seeing what they were doing under a microscope. That's relatively recent. They didn't know. But they kind of figured out that the best way to do this was to transfer to other people by contact.

Even though they didn't know the science of it. The Bible was in homes that had what we say today is leprosy.

So obviously, if this was something that was commanded in scriptures of the Israelites, you would not have a problem with this occurring today.

Well, again, these were priests. But it's obvious that there was some sort of community that was anybody who was them because they understood whether one may flee from a deadly plague. It's a fascinating reading because he lays out all these principles about what should Christians do.

And it breaks it down into what the individual Christian should do. It says what the pastor should do. And what the civil magistrate should do. And one of the things it talks about the civil magistrate.

Remember, in the Bible, the civil magistrate is called a minister of God. He's a deacon of God. And the civil magistrate has a responsibility to protect the people as a minister of God. And the civil magistrates cannot leave their posts.

They are to stay behind and do whatever is possible. The people also goes on and says something very similar about pastors. The pastors also have to respond like the hireling. The hireling who's just hired.

I'm not only doing this for money. The shepherd of the flock.

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Okay, I'm sorry Gary, go ahead.

Martin Luther on Plague, Prudence, and Christian Duty

Okay, there's a great plague of London that laid siege to the city actually several times during the 16th and 17th centuries. This isn't a book that he wrote. Again, we're in a position to do that. And that's what's happening today.

A warning here to the government and say.

Okay, I'm going to ask you a question. Why don't you just go ahead and say what you're going to say and I'll hold off on the question from the listener.

Okay, this is from Martin Luther, 15th century. He says, I shall ask God mercifully to protect us. Then I shall fumigate, help purify the air, administer medicine, and take it. I shall avoid places and persons where my presence is not needed in order not to become contaminated and thus perchance inflict and pollute others and so cause their death as a result of my negligence.

If God should wish to take me, he will surely find me and I have done what he has expected of me and so I am not responsible for either my own death or the death of others. If my neighbor needs me, however, I shall not avoid place or person but will go freely as stated above.

I see this as such a God-fearing faith because it is neither brash nor foolhardy and does not tempt God. I mean, that is, I have to say, that's one of the most astute understandings of what we as Christians, you know, should be doing takes place.

And again, this is before anyone understood how diseases were in fact transmitted. Certainly understood the implications of what we as Christians...

I'm going to ask an anonymous listener's question and you can answer it when we come back from our first break. Our anonymous listener says, Must we not be very careful not to unfairly judge others who disagree with what we are doing in regards to whether or not we gather for worship on Sunday morning or even organize and attend a conference like you are having?

There are some who would even say what you folks are doing and having this conference is irresponsible because you may be contaminating others or becoming contaminated yourself. And then there are others who would mock any kind of restriction as something produced from cowardice that should not be a part of a Christian's character.

And I'm speaking of things that are lawfully conducted, not things that are restricted by the government. Okay, well, we'll have you comment on that after we return from our first break here. If anybody would like to join us on the air with their own question, chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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Before the break, we had an anonymous listener basically asking or saying that should we not be very careful on how we judge others in their ways of responding to this, as long as they're not breaking the law.

As far as even this conference is concerned, some might think that it's irresponsible that we are going to be gathering at this conference to be edified by you, and obviously through the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit.

But there are others who are saying this isn't, this coronavirus hasn't reached such a devastating level that it would require paralyzing us in our homes 24 hours a day, seven days a week. So how do you respond to that as far as how we judge others in regard to.

How they respond to this crisis. But specifically to the anonymous listener's.

Question, don't we have to be careful on how we judge how others are responding? I'm not saying that we don't use discernment and don't judge the actions of others, but don't we need to be very careful not to vilify people who don't.

Act like we act? Yeah, it depends. I mean, hey, look, if somebody's wheezing and coughing and nose is running and so forth, and saying, you know, God is going to protect me, and da-da-da-da, I think that's something that, you know, can't be, you know, should be dealt with.

I think it just depends. Sovereign, you know, God's in control of this virus, and I agree, but at the same time, we're responsible. So, you know, it depends on what each circumstance is. I mean, if I go out, I mean, I want to pick up my glasses, I got a new pair of glasses today.

I went to the, I went and got my glasses. I got, I got gas yesterday. I'm not pinned, I think, on what's specific. I guess I could be, and in fact, if I were, if I came down with anything that resembled this, I would.

Yes, and that's why the specific phrase used, don't we need to be very.

Careful. I'm not saying, as I added to that, I'm not saying that we shouldn't use discernment and even judge the actions of others if they are wrong and dangerous or haphazard or reckless. Yeah. But at the same time, for instance, not every church has closed its public worship services.

Right. That the church where I'm a member did this past Sunday. They had a live stream service where the pastor was alone in the church building, perhaps with his family, and preached a live stream service, but we did not have public attendance.

Yeah. But there are other churches right here in the same community who didn't do that, and I think.

Our church is a very large building, and they said, you know, if you're in the high-risk group, I'm in the high-risk group. I'm 70 years old, and my wife is older than I am.

Wow, I had no idea that you were 70. You don't look anywhere near that.

I'm 70, so I'm in the high-risk group, and what our church did is set up a comfortable incoming, and if you have a friend, we should congregate on the same time. It forbids the neglecting of.

Assembling with the brethren. Don't forsake the assembling of the brethren. Right, but that doesn't.

Necessarily have to be, I don't think that's in particular dealing just with Sunday morning. It comes in a different issue, like that. If the government says you cannot meet, we haven't experienced this, and we go back to see what happened when we had the find out what churches did.

We have a question from Johnny in Queens, New York,.

And Johnny says, plagues and pestilence have affected millions of people throughout history, and the biblical accounts in Matthew 24 and Luke 21 have already taken place in 80 -70 in light of these sovereign providential dealings with man.

What are we to make of our current pandemic? How should the church respond to this relatively slight affliction in light of the hysteria? Now obviously you've already answered a lot of that, but perhaps you could even start with, do you think that there is a lot of hysteria going on in reaction to the.

Actual facts of the coronavirus? I think there is, and I think a lot of it is motivated politically, and I know a lot of people will disagree with me on that, on the administration, and I forget what it was going on then, and there were a lot that really didn't respond there again today.

I haven't listened to all of it. I did hear some of the press conference. That did not take place. That did not take place under President Obama, and we know that the Democrats have been trying to use anything they can out of office, and they're trying to use this.

Overblown it. Now, the difference of this is, this particular virus, as far as I understand, surfaces, part of it is, is that the barrier of it before any symptom. Those are some of the differences. My two married sons, I have nine grandchildren, and five of my grandchildren, they're very, very close, and they have one coronavirus.

I don't know what it is he has. One of his brothers called me today and said that he wanted to know if I had any biograms to read in my library, but I just met him and gave them to him. I didn't go in the house.

You know, I'm taking precautions, but again, I do think this is, I'm going to say that today, because people immediately jump on you and say, you're not taking this seriously, and you're protecting Donald Trump, and so forth.

But it was the same thing when President Obama was, what was going on then. I didn't say we should go out there and do more, more stuff, because we've had these types of things over and over again. I mean, this is a virus that has the number 19 attached to it.

This goes, this type of virus goes back decades. In fact, if you look on the back of a bottle of Lysol, you'll see coronavirus on it. But this is a different strain. We have to be more cautious with it, because we don't know the nations of it.

And rather be safe than sorry, even though this is going to have, it's having, economically, it's going to affect all kinds of people, for people who are never going to get this. We've got to understand that side of things.

Well, Gary, it has been a joy interviewing you, even on a subject like this, and I'm looking forward to seeing you this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday at Hope Reformed Baptist Church in Coram, Long Island, New York.

And if any of you who are listening would love to attend this event, and join me there, the God, the Government, and the Last Days conference, Thursday, I'm sorry, Friday and Saturday, March 20th and 21st, at Hope Reformed Baptist Church of Coram, Long Island, New York.

Go to reformedrooke .com, reformedrooke .com, and then click Damar Conference at the top of the page. And you can also call 631 -696 -5711, 631 -696 -5711. And remember, Gary will also be preaching, God willing, Sunday morning, after the conference at Hope Reformed Baptist Church of Coram, Long Island.

And if you want more information about American Vision, the ministry where Gary Damar serves as President, go to americanvision .org, americanvision .org. Thanks so much.

And Chris, I have an article out there today on this very topic.

Perfect. Well, thank you so much, and I'm looking forward to seeing you this Friday.

All right. Thank you.

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