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“Without 3 Miracles, DARWIN’s DEAD!: Science Proves Atheistic Evolution is IMPOSSIBLE!”
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Wishing you all a happy Monday on this 18th day of September 2017. And I have some sad news for those of you who don't already know this. But someone who I know very well, although I had not yet reached a point where I was a close friend of his but he had spoke at my church Along with his dear friend David Wood and I say my church the church where I was a member on Long Island before relocating to Pennsylvania Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, New York.
I'm speaking of Nabil Qureshi. Many of you know that he was battling cancer very valiantly and courageously and a very Christlike state of mind and Well, sadly Nabil Ended his struggle on Saturday. He entered into eternity with Christ, which is obviously the good news of that story whenever a Christian Passes from this earth.
We know that there is a bitterness to it, especially when someone is as young as Nabil Qureshi who was only 34 years old. The prime of his life and ministry as a Christian apologist a former Muslim who came to Christ Through God in his sovereignty using the evangelism.
Of his friend David Wood many of you know David Wood as a Christian apologist Who is most well known for his ministry with Muslims and having debates with Muslims globally? Well One of the reasons that David even got into that ministry was because he had made a friend of Nabil Qureshi in college when Nabil was still a Muslim and They used to have friendly Conversations debates and arguments over theology and then finally in God's sovereignty Nabil finally bowed the knee to Christ and recognized that his Muslim religion was indeed a false religion and his Allah was a false God and his Muhammad was a false prophet and he came to adopt and embrace the Christ of the Holy Scriptures and the gospel of the Holy Scriptures and the Holy Scriptures themselves as God's inerrant infallible word and.
Nabil.
Was suffering. More and more it seemed as the as the weeks and months went by and I saw a very recent A plea for prayer that he made from his deathbed. It was videotaped and and I think that may have been filmed just the day before he went home to glory.
I'm not a hundred percent sure. But hopefully God willing we'll be having David Wood his very close friend who I just mentioned who led him to Christ. David would on the program to pay tribute to Nabil Qureshi.
I don't know when that will be yet But I will keep you updated on that, please. Pray for the family of Nabil Qureshi and even pray for his dear friend. His very close friend David Wood who was Like a not only a spiritual brother in Christ, but a blood brother With Nabil Qureshi, hey, they were so close and I'll be keeping you updated on any further developments in regard to an interview with David Wood on This this precious brother Nabil Qureshi who is now spending eternity with Jesus Christ free from pain sickness and sorrow and remorse and regret Experiencing a joy that our Puny finite minds could never even begin to fathom.
Well today we have on the program a returning guest. Many of you have heard Charlie Liebert on this program not only as a guest but also as a co-host from time to time. He is the founder of six day creation .com.
He is the author of a number of books and we are today going to be Discussing his newest book his latest book without three miracles Darwin's dead science proves atheistic evolution is impossible. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back into the iron Sherpins iron studio Charlie Liebert.
Thank you Chris. It's great to be here and in studio with me as well is my co-host the Reverend buzz Taylor. Hello.
It's good to be here again and good to be with you again, Charlie. Thank you.
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Well, Charlie. This is quite a captivating title that you have come up with for this book without three miracles Darwin's dead. In fact the first thing that popped into my head when I read this title is that it would actually be a far greater miracle if Darwin was alive.
That's.
That's correct. It's more a reference of Darwinism than Darwin himself, right?
And if you could what was the catalyst behind writing this book. And there's a lot of Christian material in print that refutes or attempts to refute. Atheistic evolution, that's correct. And even theistic evolution.
Yes, that's right. What what was missing on the library shelves of Christians all over the world that required this new volume?
Without three miracles Darwin's dead. Okay. Let me let me go back and kind of rehearse how I got there. All right. I was teaching Christian businessmen about six years ago and an issue kept coming up about.
I Get asked a question I'm ready to witness to someone and I get I get kind of sidetracked and never get to witness and that's my first book always Be ready to give an answer as I was writing that one of my Christian mentors Bob Kelly I said to me Charlie now that you've got the strategy to handle it handle the questions and give a testimony every time.
How about answering the questions? Well, I've had a website for 25 years. So I've got answered. I had 106 questions I had standard answers to and that became the second book answers of the hope that's in you as I'm finishing that Bob comes to me again and says Charlie you've handled creation evolution in that book but you really haven't made a good sound argument against it in a simple form that the Non-scientific readers can can read without having to stumble over the words.
I said, yeah, you're right Bob and that's the result of this book dreamer without three miracles Darwin's dead as I thought about it. And I talked about it with Bob and some of the others. I came to the conclusion that there are three impossible steps for Darwin.
Three things that would have to be miracles. The first one is the appearance of something from nothing. That violates the first law of the next Neil ho next Nilo for X Nilo something from nothing. Okay, that violates the first law and we get into these in more detail in a minute.
The second one is the appearance of life from dead material. That's also an impossible. That's called the law of biogenesis and that was basically started by Pasteur. Saying that life comes from life and life of the same kind of life.
So that's the second miracle. I call that one Frankenstein. The first one I call magic. Okay like the rabbit from the hat magic third one I call uphill molasses. Because. The third one is a violation of the second law the second law simply says the universe's was wound up at the beginning is running down every every process loses heat and eventually goes to.
A.
Process where it has less energy than it had before if I ever get the money to start my own restaurant.
I am going to call it uphill molasses.
Molasses. So so what. What happens in evolution is evolution claims to go uphill against that law in increasing complexity and Gaining information through or through time which is basically a violation of that second law.
So we've got three scientific laws violated by atheistic evolution. You can't get past that. Okay, they require miracles. In fact, if you read the writers that understand that for example, they say well it happened just once so it's still a law.
That's nonsense. In science a law is a law for the law's law. You can't you can't negate it. I mean if I go up on the roof and say I don't believe in gravity and jump off what happens I'm gonna hurt myself.
Because I'd love to see a try.
I'm gonna hurt myself coming down, you know, so so that's obvious. So I decided to put it together in a in a form that's relatively simple. Okay, I begin to deal first with what is the nature of science then I described evolution as the as the proponents of evolution Describe it.
Okay, how they how they describe it. I go through and talk about the Big Bang and its origins and then life from non-life and. Then we get into the third part, which is the three impossible miracles.
I deal with each one separately. In that chapter then I deal with how do they justify it and I call this one and this is based upon Dawkins book falling off the improbable cliff. Because Darwin wrote Dawkins wrote a book about evolution Climbing Mount Improbable and his his premise was that when you look at the possibility of getting to mankind from basically nothing.
You have an impossible situation. But if you go around the back of the mountain, you'll find a very slow gentle slope that takes you up there. That was his premise. So I've basically destroyed that and falling off the improbable cliff.
Then I have a chapter by written by a guest a guest author called Michael. Michael wrote a chapter called irrational rationality of unbelief and that deals with The nature of Christianity the nature of other world religions.
Then I come to the apologist. What is an atheist to do? What answer do they have to these arguments and I've got got this analysis of that and then I handled in the last chapter. Something I feel is very important and I've handled only three here cultural impacts of evolution.
What difference does it make about whether we believe evolution? I've handled three different things. I've talked about here.
Well, since you've covered it all I guess we're out of time and it's great.
We haven't even gotten started Chris. We haven't even gotten started. Okay the first. The first cultural impact is the downward progress of atheism. That is what happens with atheism as it takes hold in a culture in a society and that's a downward progress.
And that includes some commentary on Romans chapter 1.
For some reason brethren buzz Taylor already wants to jump in with a question or comment.
I just wanted to pipe in here as you say that as what listeners to understand. We were not saying all the rest is true because it has to be true because of the negative cultural impact, right? That's right.
It's true. And because of because evolution is not true We can expect it to have a negative cultural impact. But just so people know because you know when I talk theology with people a lot of times It's like well, do you want as if that had anything to do with the truth?
In other words, just because the leftists and liberals appear to hate Donald Trump doesn't mean he's a wonderful president.
That's your wording.
I don't think so. I don't think so. Oh, I think it's a good analogy though. But anyway, go ahead. Yeah, I deal with the public beliefs about origins and this is really interesting study. If you look at the situation in the 1950s when I was in high when I was in grade school in high school.
About half the population believed in evolution about half believe in creation. Now they've had control of the school for 55 years more than the more than that actually more like 60 years. That is the humanists the people who teach evolution only and you know what the u .s Population believes 50 creation 50 evolution.
It hasn't changed which means you can't educate people out of their foundational beliefs no matter how much you try.
So in other words if you were to ask your average man on the street who wasn't even a Christian You're saying that 50 of the population would if you were able to interview 50 of them they would say.
Or if you were able to interview a hundred percent of them and 50 of those who responded would say they believe in creation. No, they don't believe in evolution.
They believe in another form of creation and they're not gonna be Christian beliefs necessarily. But they believe in an intelligent design intelligent design some kind of God that's up there somewhere that kind of made the stuff that the Stuff couldn't come up.
That's interesting. That is a shock to me. It is really. Okay. We do. You need to get the book then or you need to read the book. It's it's in there and you know, this is the studies are up to. I think it's a lengthy.
Well, you just brought your books for the first time today. Yes.
The last study I think I said it was like 2015 so it's real it's recent and it hasn't changed. I mean back in the Late 80s. I taught the North Carolina Governor's School. Which is a school for high school rising high school seniors done in the summertime on a college campus.
I taught that for three years and and I started my and I was teaching creation surprisingly. Because they wanted to to create a force to critical thinking. So they said they would have creation as a as a critical thinking thought the third year I did it was when I got basically fired and I got fired for a simple reason.
I polled the audience and said how many believe in evolution and about half the hands went up. How many believe in creation about the other half went up and the administrators that were looking were just completely shocked they said how can these how can half these students believe that when you know, we've been telling them for 11 years About to be the 12th year that evolution is the way it was done in creation is impossible.
And the simple thing is you just can't educate educate people out of their foundational beliefs. You can't just tell them I I have students that have come to me and they're in public school and say, you know An evolution is taught we just give the teacher back what she wants.
We don't believe it. Wow, okay, there's one more area here in the impacts that I want to I want to hit on before we get into some questions. That is the evolutions wasting resources and I've got two examples here.
The National Science Foundation has a website that costs millions of dollars a year and those millions of dollars are spent to basically foster Evolution on that website. It's very seductive it a student going in there would be it's very up-to-date and modern and everything.
So that there's millions of dollars wasted on that. The second is what's called go life studies the go life studies or studies to an evolution to but basically say Where does this worm fit in the evolutionary process or where does this fern fit in the evolutionary process?
There's millions actually hundreds of millions of dollars a year spent on those things on a model. That's not true, which means that that money is put down the drain if we spent that on disease research.
We'd probably get a lot more productivity because we get no value from that at all. And these are studies that are clearly designed to basically foster evolution. Okay, so that's the summary of the book.
Great now. Have you exhausted what you wanted to say on the first miracle? No, I haven't exhausted it. Okay. Well, let's start with the first.
The first miracle disappearance of something from nothing. Okay, most Big Bang models will start with Several seconds after the beginning in other words time or whatever starts and then suddenly the Big Bang appears.
Now it appears from nothing. That's a violation of the first law and That that violation is very clear because When you ask evolutionists about that and I've cited several in the book if you ask them about that They say well, we just assume that that stuff just appeared now.
There's two answers to that It appeared from nothing which is a miracle or the universe is eternal and it's gone through what's called the Big Bang the Big Crunch. The problem is the Big Crunch is scientifically impossible based upon the work that they've done themselves.
So the universe collapsing into itself and then reconstituting itself is not a part not a possibility. So that is a miracle that atheists have to get past and when you confront them with it, they simply say well we believe that the The stuff just appeared without any explanation.
That's not science. That's faith and that's an expression of to me non-science or nonsense.
Basically, they're presuppositions. That God does not exist. That the Bible isn't true. They are just forcing themselves and others. To believe well that story cannot be true. So we're just going to develop a theory that we can never prove.
That just leaves God out of the equation and then leaves.
His.
Having created out of nothing out of the picture and I mean even Even some I'm not saying that they're correct. But even some Christians have adopted a Big Bang theory saying that God was behind it. But at least they require an intelligent designer and a creator to start the process.
Yes, they do and and and that's that that's the first miracle. I call that miracle magic. I mean, it has to appear like the rabbit out of the hat something from nothing. Suddenly the material appears for the Big Bang to begin.
Of course the Big Bang precludes an old universe and that's a whole nother discussion.
Oh, well, they or they or at least some kind of matter some kind of matters, right?
Now if you go back to Genesis that happens on day number one. Because because when it says when it says God created light if we want to translate that light to that light word from Hebrew Light for word today We'd probably translate it matter slayers energy.
Because God's creating all the stuff of the universe on day one and then he's organizing days two three, four five. And on day five He does the second creative act which is great living things and the on the day six the third creative act because you got always done Those things in threes.
The third third is the creator of Adam Adam in God's image. So there's three creative acts in Genesis chapter 1 six days and.
The the interesting thing about.
The.
The atheistic evolutionist is that He cannot base his arguments on the origins of Life or the origins of matter without using non-scientific Theories, there's no there's no theory Within science that has been proven Could possibly happen where matter is created out of nothing.
No because because actually violates the.
The first law says it's essentially the universe is a fixed amount of material matter and energy. It changes form. There's a lot of different things in terms of changing form. But it never never goes out of existence or comes into existence.
It's fixed. Matter can never neither be created nor destroyed. That's the famous expression of that that every grade school child knows that and.
So it's it's interesting those who these scientists who claim.
That.
Those who are proponents of intelligent design those who are creationists have no place in the scientific debate or To be used in science. Science classes there. They are to be barred from science classes or they should be.
Because they introduce things in their opinion that are non-scientific and yet you have Atheistic evolutionists continually using.
Ideas that have no scientific. Yeah, the appearance from the appearance of the Big Bang is a miracle. Because it violates the law. Either you say the law isn't true. Which we would have a huge uproar in science if we said that or we have a miracle to take place at the beginning.
And they avoid that art. They vote they avoid that and they avoid and they and they call that because they begin their models seconds after everything appears now.
Have you heard? some answers for that from or should I say theories obviously for that from a If atheistic scientists such as to to. Drag up an older name Carl Sagan. And now there's a new host of the cosmos program.
I understand. I don't know. Well, did you have anybody else? Do you do they have an answer that you?
Well, the answer they have is We don't know how it happened, but it happened. That's the answer that that's gonna be the answer to all three of my of my arguments. We don't know how it happened, but it did okay.
And it did because we're here and it exists.
Okay, I'm gonna go before we go to our first break. Before we go on to these next two miracles I'm gonna go to one of our listeners Daniel in San Jose, California. Can you ask Charlie Lieber to explain the three scientific laws that evolution breaks and the Explanation the evolutionists would give for each one of them.
Do you consider having in do you consider having an evolutionary mindset or worldview particularly harmful to one's thinking or to society as a whole. If so. Would that also be just as harmful to our brothers who believe in theistic evolution?
Okay, there's a lot of questions there. Yeah. Well, let's start with. Can you ask Charlie Lieber to explain the three scientific? Okay, that evolution breaks and the explanation the evolutionists give the first law is the one we just talked about.
Okay, the first law says you can't get something from nothing. It says all the material exists and it's a fixed amount of material and and the the answer that they'll give is well We don't know how it happened.
But it happened is suddenly the Big Bang appears. The second the second or law that I in the sequence that I do it which is called Frankenstein is the law of biogenesis. Which is basically Began the work for biogenesis began with the work of Pasteur and it simply says that life Comes from life and life of the same kind of life.
Okay, that that's clearly a law that that's that's there. The third the second is the third law, which is called entropy and Entropy is a law that's that says quite simply that the The universe is running down.
Every time you do something you lose a little bit of energy that you can't recover and That running down is part of the whole process of every process in the universe. So the evolutionist answer to that is well If you add energy you'll get order and the answer is you only get order when you add energy if you have a Intelligently designed machine to do it.
Let me give you an example the Sun's light on the earth coming onto the earth Does damage to things but if you put that through an intelligent machine like photosynthesis? It creates what new material but you need to intelligently designed machine to do it and I deal with that in the book.
Okay, that's that's the third law. So so energy added itself doesn't answer the question although evolution will claim it does it doesn't and Then the universe is running down it and let me just make a comment on it that universe running down implies That God or someone or somehow some form caused it to be wound up tight at the very beginning.
The universe's is running down. Einstein in his writing when he talked about his relative relativity He said that ultimately not. I'm so not Einstein. Isaac Asimov in his scientific writings Talked about the universe if it were eternal it should die.
What's called a heat death. Which means that everything in the universe would eventually come to a rest of a steady state of everything being evenly dispersed. It's not it's very ordered. So the order has to implies a beginning and Einstein confirmed that with Israel theory relativity.
So basically you were you were just repeating what we began the program with and the answers as he is asking for that the Proponents of atheistic evolution would have is I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know.
Well that and and you know, it happened once but we can live with one one violation of a law. Well, there's several of the people I read on on the issue here said with biogenesis that oh, yeah. Well life appeared suddenly once kind of by accident, but it violates law.
We know that but it's okay to violate the law one time. That simply doesn't work in science.
Some might consider just an irrelevant question too, though, right? Yeah, that's like ignore it all together.
How it could be a rebel it is mind-boggling. In fact.
Proponents of an intelligent designer creator all of the only ones that have an answer for those questions.
He asked another question a part of the question which I want to address before we go to the break. And that is what what difference does it make if there makes a huge amount of difference in a couple areas?
Okay, first one and I'm not going to get into this now, but I'll just mention it. Okay, first one is evolution propagates and is the source of the concepts of racism. That's the first problem. The the second problem is evolution takes away the value of human life.
Which means simply that If I'm the strongest if I believe in survival of the fittest and I can kill anybody I'm bigger than and you even have.
Some Atheists actually having the at least the logical consistency to admit to that. Yes, they do. Yes, they do, especially if you're talking about groups of people conquering other groups.
Yes, the honest the honest ones will admit that. Yes, in fact if you come back to that even even slavery is rooted to some extent in evolution and they may typically say I.
Find this personally offensive. I find this horrible and evil. Which they really have no basis to have those opinions, but they will say that they cannot really say it is wrong.
For a.
They cannot mandate to the globe to everyone Living in the globe that this is wrong because they realize that that is the logical conclusion of their worldview.
If you go back in history and look at the beginning of the Age of Exploration You'll find something written about which is called a white man's burden. And that's basically the concept that all the races are inferior to the white race.
And as a result, we've got to kind of help them evolve because they're just evolved from monkeys too close. Well, that's an absurdity and that repropagates huge issues with a culture where you view some people as inferior.
That's what the Nazis did. That's what we do with abortion. We do that all over the place and that's that's one of the great implications of evolution the value of life.
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Darwin's dead science proves Atheistic evolution is impossible. And by the way, I forgot to mention To Daniel in San Jose, California. I forgot to mention before the break That you will be receiving a free copy of this book compliments of Charlie Liebert and also compliments of Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CV Cumberland Valley BBS for Bible book service calm.
We'll be shipping that out to you thank you for providing your your mailing address and The last part of his question was Do you see? Let's see. Do you consider having an evolutionary mindset or worldview?
Particularly harmful to one's thinking or to society as a whole if so. Would that also be just as harmful for our brothers in Christ who believe in theistic evolution? Well, obviously anything that is in error and Especially things that are in serious error are going to lead to some kind of a problem even even with a regenerate person.
And you know you could have a Snowball effect where even a Christian will start to question Those things that are taught in scriptures that are meant to be Exegeted as literal events that occurred and literal things you could have all kinds of Allegorical interpretations imported into the Bible where they don't belong and now we know that there are proper places for allegorical interpretations.
But there are there are areas there that there is supposed to be no option for allegory.
Let in book number two and and let me just come back to that theistic evolution issue because that's an important one because a lot of Christians do claim that. The problem with the list theistic evolution is not a scientific one.
Okay, we can argue science all day long and science is always interpreted. The problem with theological evolution is is the a lot Theistic evolution. The problem with that is a is a Theological one and the theological problem is this all forms of theistic evolution require death as part of the process of evolution.
That's part of how evolution works. Evolution is reproduction struggle death. That's how the process functions and it goes generation after generation at the generation. If that's true. Then death is a driving mechanism and a favorable force in pushing evolution forward.
That's not what the Bible says about death.
Yeah, they claim that.
The only.
Death that that began after the fall was the death of human life. They that's what they claimed. They will say the plant life and animal animal life was not to be considered in that equation.
That's a that's a claim that has no basis in Scripture at all, right? I know I'm just saying that's you know. They did well when when Scripture talks about life. It talks about the word Hebrew word Nefesh and Nefesh refers to what we would call soul and it's in all the higher animals.
It's not in bugs and it's not in plants, but it's in its soul. It's the life that's there that we would call it and you know, if you'd Star Trek, it's a life force. Okay. It's the thing that animates the object that gives it life and when that passes away it dies.
Death in humans is no different than death in animals death is death. The animal is alive at one moment and is ceases to function as a living organism the next. But I see no differentiation there at all.
Well, obviously spiritually there's a difference.
Well, Mary man spiritually dead to begin with. No what I mean is okay when a when and when your dog dies. You don't have to worry about it being in hell. No, that's. And you have no place to be convinced that will certainly be there waiting for you in heaven.
Yeah, because.
It returns to the dust which place heaven or hell. It returns to the dust to the ground. But man was uniquely created with with a spirit and that that's a that's a third act of creation. That's a separate separate separation.
I separate spirit from soul.
All right, we have let's see we have another question for you. Let's see here. We have Joe in Slovenia. It's always a blessing to hear from brother Charlie Liebert. Since we know that evolution is impossible.
Would it be wise to approach? No, I'm sorry. Since we know that evolution is impossible. Would it be a wise approach? When discussing this with someone who thinks it is possible or even factual to ask them to bring? irrefutable evidence of Changes in kind to our attention instead of trying to explain to them the reasoning why evolution is impossible Would it be best to ask them to produce bona fide?
Examples of macro evolution. Since they won't be able to find any. By the way is is it always correct to pronounce it bona fide or was bona fide. Bona fide. Okay, I was just I've never pronounced it bona fide in my life and then I realize.
You're reverting to Latin. Chris, well, that is Latin. I know it is Latin. Yes, it is.
Would this save time and effort? While also increasing the learning effect by the evolutionist confronting himself with the absence of evidence for his claims. Thank you so much for blessing us today.
So basically he's saying should shouldn't we be giving them the burden them the burden of the proof rather than insisting that we?
Run around on their rabbit trail. Yeah, the the answer is yes, and I'll give you I do one thing in my seminars Which addresses this quite quite simply. Okay. I asked the audience if anyone has a dog and it's much a hands-go-up.
And the last anyone has a cat and there's a bunch of hands go up and then I'll say well. Can you take your cat with your dog and make a dad? And of course the answer is no. So the question you want to ask them is if there are dogs and cats, why aren't there a whole bunch of creatures in between?
Because if one evolved if one's a different place in the chain than the other then there should be transitions in. If biology if Evolution were true biology should be a terrible science because we should not be able to figure out what's what?
Because we should have all these transitions between stuff we don't we have distinct kinds and you can tell that particularly by chromosome count. The only time chromosome count ever ever gets into play of being two different creatures is with a horse and the horse and the mule.
The horse the donkey in the mule. Okay, that's the one place with it. The two chromosome counts two different but most others are 10 12 15 different and because of that you won't get You won't get cross reproduction.
So there's that's just a huge barrier. So it's a great question. If you get cats and dogs, how do you what about in between? Where's all the creatures in between?
Well as I have told many people this is Reverend Buzz Taylor, by the way. Yeah the. You shouldn't look for the missing links in the fossil record. You should look for them down the street because if you have them if you have monkeys you have men.
It only stands to reason you would have everything in between still existing and and you don't so, you know. Unless the world were crowded with all the missing links living and that's why the Nazis and other.
Racists throughout history have used evolutionary arguments to say to make the horrific claim that the.
Races outside of the white race are those missing links. Let me give an example from the book here. The number chromosome counts. Humans are 46. Okay, dolphins are 44. Beavers are 40. Horses are 64. The highest is in in the in the mammal type not in the warm-blooded type creatures is the aquatic rat at 92.
So it has nothing to do with where the creature ranks in the evolutionary tree and it barriers. It becomes a barrier for creatures to cross reproduce. It just doesn't work.
Okay.
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Well, let's get to the second point the second miracle what's required. And put it under a magnifying glass.
Okay, let's put the second one. This is the miracle of what we called what that what the evolution is called a biogenesis. Which is the opposite of biogenesis, which is the law the law developed by Pasteur when Pasteur did his experiments and just and Determined that life came from living organisms when he did when he determined that he the law of biogenesis was begun and defined later By other scientists, but the law simply says that life that means living living organisms come only from Life and life of the same kind of life.
That's what the law says and evolution has to break that because evolution has to take dead chemicals in some form mix them together and Eventually have life appear from dead stuff and I call that the the miracle I call that is Frankenstein.
Okay, because that's what Frankenstein did assemble a man from dead dead parts and that's what evolution is claiming to do and that's an impossibility that's that doesn't impossibility because first of all how complex life is and Secondly, it violates the law and again laws can be violated when I've read the evolutionists on this that the most common answer is it happened once and Richard Dawkins the foremost evolutionists in the world today says it happened once somewhere else.
Because he believes in panspermia that means that life came here was planted here by aliens of some kind and Because of that he basically begs the question much more believable theory much more believable.
Well When he was confronted, that's what he that's was a censor you know the aliens came here and planted a seed and the seed grew and became whatever we have. Well there you have a.
Living example of total depravity. Because you will have man even a brilliant man a man can see it considered to be a genius a phenomenon that he is so brilliant that instead of bow the knee to Christ to Instead of recognizing that the scriptures are the sole inerrant authority that we have he would rather believe that Martians somehow impregnated.
Somebody here on this planet or I don't even know how it would work in his scenario. And I don't even think that we should go too far with that discussion. I.
Don't think we should either.
But.
Thank you. Actually, that was the other. This topic that we were just talking about that was a joke too. Yes.
Excuse me, that means Thank You Charlie.
Well, why don't we put number three into the magnifying glass unless you have something else to expand with. No I.
We pretty much covered number two. Well, let's go back to number two just for another second. Okay, because the the other aspect of this besides the issue with life appearing from not from non life. The other issue here is life's complexity and and I I've dealt with that some in here.
I dealt with that more in book number two. Answers for the hope that's in you, but but but that's a there are Incredible things happening in our bodies that just defy him defy it when Richard B He wrote his book Darwin's black box.
He talked about that the fact that some of these processes are irreducibly complex and I'm teaching Sunday school at the church I'm at and this Sunday we did biology and we did one of the things I taught about was a bombardier beetle.
Because the bombardier beetle has a defense and it's called can I say this on the air steam farts? I know I know I was gonna set you up for that one Chris. Sorry, but in fact, this is the primary reason.
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The you never know what you're gonna hear on this program.
Exactly my point.
But The creatures got a complex system with four different chemicals three different chambers. And a little turret on the back that rotates 360 degrees to fire out steam filled with noxious gases that that basically defer anybody from from eating it and.
That that system requires completeness from the beginning. The creature can't defend itself without it and in an environment lives. Which is a swamp which is full of predators. It would be disappear very quickly so it has to be complete from the beginning and has to be fully functional.
Well, that means that has to be created in a moment or in a system at one time. It can't evolve over millions and millions of years. So that's one of the great examples. And biological complexity is is something that when you begin to understand creatures You look at bird brains and be intelligence.
There's all kinds of things that are happening in the science now that are just saying that. The the design is way beyond what we ever imagined when we were in 1950s and 60s.
I.
Remember years ago reading. I'm sure you're familiar with Dwayne Gish's book on dinosaurs. Yes. Yeah, I was reading about the bombardier beetle in there.
Yes.
Some friends of mine and we were literally rolling all over the floor laughing that people could actually take that stuff seriously because he explained it in steps like you know the Predator comes up to the bombardier beetle.
It's like I think I need to grow something right now, you know. It's a defend myself against this. This is no that's coming towards me now. So he does the first part and he gets eaten up.
There's one more. There's one more example. I'll give in this air biological complexity that that's some research done. It was done. Done, but some was done in England. With the honeybees now honeybees are you know insects and they have very small brain.
But when honeybees come back to the hive and they found a source of nectar. They do a little dance in the hive that communicates how the with and with a nectar sources. The scientists are wondering about you know, just how how much can the bees really reason about this?
So they took a nectar source and put it 50 meters from the hive. It took the bees about 24 hours to find it. They found it. They came back did the dance and sure enough the bees are taking the nectar out of the bowl.
So so 24 hours later, they move the bowl 50 meters further away. The bees take again about 24 hours to find it. They come and start to take it again doing the dance. Then they move it again third time 25 meters further away.
The bees find it. This time in about 12 hours rather than 24. They do the dance. The bees go out and take it now. They move it again the 50 meters away. This is the fourth time. The bees are waiting for.
The bees are waiting at the new site. Expecting the hunt the nectar to be there now bees have reasoned that out in some fashion with a bee brain. Yeah, now they said let's carry this further. Let's take the nectar source and put in the middle of a lake in a boat and.
The bees never found it so they finally took some bees and showed him where it was and mark those bees and let him go back and Nobody would ever go there. The bees must have reasoned that they can't be a nectar source in the middle of a lake.
They flew over the lake to the sources on the other side, but they never went to the source in the lake. So there's bee intelligence that's beyond what we would expect from an insect.
Yeah, now, I don't know if this is true or not. I can recall hearing it somewhere. But is it true that there is no scientific explanation? That there is a certain kind of be in that which certain which kind of bees.
But For the size of the wings the wingspan in comparison to the size and weight of the body of the bee. It should be scientifically impossible for this type of be to fly.
The statement there is simple by the laws of aerodynamics that we know that we fly airplanes with the bee cannot fly. The bumblebee cannot fly. He cannot fly. It's impossible for him to fly, but he doesn't know that nobody told him.
No, what are the science the secular scientists have to say about that?
Do you know it's an exception, you know, they love exceptions. They do exceptions in evolution all the time. The exceptions with fossil record their exceptions and everything you were mentioning. The bee dance.
Yeah, I saw that demonstrated on a moody science film years ago. Mm-hmm, and I don't think the average listener understands just how.
Amazing that stuff is the. The movie video is called city of the bees.
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And He says when was it decided to make the doctrine of creation a secondary issue. Introducing different ways to interpret the word day. Who was the first to popularize this or these notions and I'm assuming he's talking about Christians.
Who were the first Christians to popularize this. Do you have?
First of all When Darwin wrote in 1859 most of the churches Basically gave in to that explanation of origins and they gave in for quite a long time. It wasn't until the 1950s when Henry Morris and John Whitcomb wrote the book Genesis flood did the modern creationist movement begin to go back to the six days now people believe six days all along in that time.
Frame, but there were there was a compromise from the 1859 when Darwin first wrote in the church. That pretty much carried forward and that carries forward even today. The denomination. I'm a part of allows three interpretations of Genesis young earth old earth and What's called a framework hypothesis?
So even the modern denominations that are very conservative still do allow this and I'm not sure exactly why because To me the theological issue is the big one and the big one big theological issue is death before sin.
And you can't get past that with old earth. I mean, they just just you know, I just don't don't know how that how you tell you do that. But where it came from it it happened when Darwin first wrote before that they were all creationists.
I mean go back to the ancient scientist Newton. Newton said what we science is finding God's thoughts after him. So Newton certainly knew that God was real and so did all almost the ancient scientists.
But then the church bought into Darwinism and just kind of ignored that and said science and religion are separate. They came to that conclusion, which is dead dead wrong. And then they went from there and if the compromise is still exist.
I think what you meant was that Before Darwin Christians were unanimously. Yes. I should have said because there were evolutionists before Darwin.
Oh, yes evolution goes back to Socrates even before Socrates. Okay, it goes back to the beginning actually in the garden if you want to really trace it there doubting God's Word.
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Now we have Joey and Clifton New Jersey, and I have to enlarge Joey's email because it's microscopic and I'm 55 going to be 56 in February on Valentine's Day, and I'm going blind. Alrighty, let's see here.
We have from Joey and Clifton, New Jersey. Dear Charlie. I totally agree with you Points and support your efforts. I think you've missed a word here. I totally agree with you on your points perhaps and support your efforts.
Thanks for your great scientific labor for the gospel. Just want to ask for clarification on your view of Entropy. Is your view that if entropy includes? I'm sorry if. Is your view that if entropy excludes divine intervention as the evolutionist claims Then there could be absolutely no examples of a process ever leading to less entropy in an isolated System ie not even one case Resulting in a higher state of order.
I totally agree with your conclusion. But I'm just wondering I'm just reasoning through how we get there in other words. If we think of the law of entropy as a statistical phenomenon. Does that impact the conclusion in any way?
I asked because I am wondering whether this third point is as strong as the first two.
Thanks for your labors, brother. Okay. Well, let me address that entropy is a statement that comes from physics and Relates to the nature of physics, which is all the physical processes on the planet.
Okay, that's where that law originally comes from but that law does apply to all all of the all of the universe. It's true everywhere. It doesn't seem to be that and then the case of animals and and and death running down I mean it just seems to be everywhere it and Your your observation that my third point is the weaker.
That's probably true. Okay, I've had ever atheists in my weekly Twitter for my blog Attack me on that one particularly. Okay, they don't attack biogenesis. They don't take the first law but they tend to want to attack the second law is that they'll claim that there are Processes on the earth that take it take us to less entropy, which means more order.
With that don't that don't have intelligence and I've still I still haven't got anyone to tell me what what processes they are. But they they're claiming that there are processes that do that. I don't see that I see the universe is running down universally and as a result entropy is always increasing.
At the only time it decreases is when you have an intelligent machine to do it and I use the example before photosynthesis. That's intelligent machine. Okay, that takes energy and converts it. That's entropy going in the opposite direction.
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Thanks always for contributing wonderful questions to our discussions on iron sharpens iron radio. All right. Well, let's once again return to that third point. And put a magnifying glass over it and just fully flesh out what you were Highlighting in that third miracle.
What's required?
Okay, the third miracles hold uphill molasses. And if you look at the universe the universe's is running down in every case. And that's it that like I said that that's a law of physics. That exists and it says that every time you do any kind of work the work loses a certain amount of heat that's not recoverable and Again, as I'm off writing in his writing said that the universe would eventually die a heat death.
That would run down at the odd that the order would because the order is decaying all the time. That the order would eventually disperse into a low level of evenly distributed Energy and matter over the whole universe.
So if the universe were eternal, it should be just a dead a dead flat mass basically. So the universe is not eternal that that's the first thing that says and it also says it's running down. Which implies it was wound up at the beginning?
That things were were More complex in the beginning and you see that all over. I mean it the exam an example of Entropy applied to living organisms might be that might be the process of extinction and I didn't argue this one in the book.
Okay, but I've thought about this that may be another argument for entropy, but entropy basically says that it's running down and Evolution has to go in the opposite direction. It has to add complexity it has to add new stuff to existing stuff if you want to take the genome and you want to get a creature that has A light sensitive spot and turn that into an eye.
You've got to add intelligent information into the DNA to do that and That runs counter to the second law of thermodynamics. You don't have intelligent patient cropping up. You'll have DTDK. With it with the genome the genome will decay.
Examples of that would be genetic defects. Okay, and most of us today have a lot of genetic defects. I've got a couple. I've got Diabetes heart disease and hypertension probably all coming through the genes.
Oh.
Well, by the way, buzz Taylor Reverend buzz Taylor has a comment or question. Well.
When you talk about God winding things up, of course. What comes to my mind that you might want to differentiate between what you're saying and deism?
Okay. Yeah, let's let's get to that when you go back to the the days of creation on the on on the six days on day number one God creates the raw material and then on the days two three four and five He's going to assemble going to take that raw material and assemble it into into more order more order on the end of day Number two, you have a water-covered body that's going to become the earth and then he's gonna he's gonna Separate the waters from the waters waters above and waters below on day number two.
And on day number three and then day number three He's gonna do the bring the land up out of the water and put the plants on the land and the day number four He's gonna order the order the stars the universe and all of that all of that happens as God is essentially winding up the universe.
Now he's gonna do two more creative acts. He's gonna create the living organisms on the in the sea and in the in the air. And then he's gonna get living organisms on the land and eventually man and all that is the process of winding up.
So when it says at the end of the day number six, God looked at everything he's made and behold, it's very good. He's finished. The clock the watch is completely wound. From this point on it's stable.
Now when sin enters the process of decay begins so there's a Winding up a steady state and then a sudden process of decay and that process of decay is irreversible. It's going to run down. It's just just simply a matter of time.
Everybody knows that in their own bodies, right? Your body's not functioning as well as it did years ago when you were young nice 18 20 year old your body. You know now it's everything's falling apart.
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We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania. Who said you were to discussing the Bombardier beetle before. Is that the same beetle that I have heard of through? Ken Ham's ministry that actually shoots flame and actually I have a brother who could do that with a Bic lighter.
But that's a different story. That my brother does it and it requires already a spark existing from an outside source.
Yes, the that is the same Bombardier beetle that Ken Ham Talks about in his ministry. It's not really flame. It's really steam. Filled with noxious gases, but I really cuz I thought for certain there was a beetle that actually shot.
No, it's not really a flame. But it would appear to be like a flame because it comes out looking like that, but it is it is steam. You're certain about that. I'm absolutely certain because I thought that that's why he was hydroquinone.
He was.
Giving credibility to the descriptions of dragons being dinosaurs. Because yes.
Well, it would be the same process. It would be the same process the the parasaurolophus the dinosaur that has the the chambered rod above its head. Is designed in the same fashion as the Bombardier beetle?
So it could in fact do that. And just depending on which chemicals you mix together you get flame you get steam you get I don't know probably hot liquid.
Whatever it is, it's awful. All right, Reverend Buzz Taylor. You wanted to give have Charlie give a clarification of something that he was.
Well, yes, we were discussing the subject of deism and and what he's presenting. So if you could clear.
Yeah, I just thought by that when I talked before about God winding up the wind winding up the universe and Then going to steady state before the entrance of sin I didn't imply and didn't mean to imply that God if in fact had left.
Okay. God is present. He's ever present in the universe and he's in the process of doing things in terms of history. It in fact reflect history is his story. So if you see the whole premise God does not get up and leave as the deist would believe but God in fact is present Continually in the creation.
Could you?
Would this be a good explanation of what you meant that God no longer? Normatively It intercedes in the creation process. Miraculously in regard to.
How.
How his creation grows flourishes and multiplies and so on. In other words? The the ex-milho creation and also the creation in the garden and so on.
Those things initially required a supernatural intervention. That's correct, but now he doesn't. That's not a normative thing.
I thought a normative things and we call the miracles when God intervenes right now. Yes, we call the miracles, but God is God is present history and God has ordained what happens in history. So bear in mind that he is he is the force behind it.
But again, he's not intervening at any time.
Unless he chooses to I mean you just don't know that. I think the classic example we have of that though is is the resurrection of Christ because you have a man who was Hanging on a cross for hours Had a spirit thrusting aside had severe blood loss was dead was buried and yet came to life.
Life came to the dead. Right, but that was again. That was God's interference with a process that was already at play there. But he just he can circumvent that anytime he wants. He can do a miracle anytime he wants.
Yeah, and that's really what faces the atheist. He doesn't believe in miracles. So he's got to explain everything by naturalistic processes and that's why he has three. That's why Darwin's dead three miracles.
He can't have free miracles.
Well, I think that we should expand upon why this is so important. Because of the fact that even hinges on something that was asked earlier. Well, you know, why is this a big deal really to paraphrase what a questioner said?
Does this really bring about any harm? To to Christians who are theolo theistic evolutions to hold to these concepts. I know that you've where we have touched on it. I mentioned earlier how even the Nazis used as a part of their propaganda a Belief that non Aryan races, which would be non white Nordic races.
Those other races, of course, we believe that there's only one race the human race but they would believe that those outside of Caucasian humans would be parts of missing links. There would be evidence of a missing link that would be closer to the ancestry of the ape and this shows you the evil and racist.
Nature of evolution, doesn't it? Yes. Now let me let me address that in something else I've written in it's appears in several of my books and that is a teacher talking about education and teaching children.
Okay, if you teach a child he came from dirt and he's going to dirt. There's no purpose in life and no meaning. That it doesn't have any function at all. Other than the fact to live and to die. Then the child has a set of values that Spring off that and those values are what well survival of the fittest, you know.
It theoretically I can do anything I want to and value life doesn't matter. However, when you teach a child you're made in the image of God. God is ever-present and God is here. However, you have violated his law.
Both in that nature and in action and as a result you're separated from it. That gives a whole different mindset and the point simply here is that Whichever one of those you believe it influences the culture and in this culture.
You see that that trend to move away as we have first first labeled the unborn non people. Which is what the Nazis did with the Jews. And and and then then we've gone to saying that's well certain kind of sin is okay.
Adultery has probably been approved somewhat for probably the last generation, but now we've got gay marriage. We've got all the all the things that violate what God's law says and that's an impact of what you teach the children at the beginning.
So yes, it makes a huge difference what you believe you believe you keep made in God's image. But you've offended him or you believe you came from dirt and going to dirt that makes a big difference in how the People react to each other and how the culture evolves.
And the culture is evolving today descending into Romans chapter 1 and the reverend bus. Taylor.
Because that came up in the conversation, you know, you mentioned Chris that there are people who would view non-white races as The missing links. When I said that we should see the missing links walking around.
I wasn't talking about non white. No, no, but what I'm saying is we should see. I'll expand it even more to show you what I mean. We still don't have fish walking out of water on fins that eventually become legs.
We don't have anything crawling around with half fin half legs or you know half blind because they're still trying to develop their eyes. Even though they didn't have all those all those missing links should still be in existence today, right?
That's true. And by the way, Charlie, I don't know if you've ever seen or heard The testimony of Jeffrey Dahmer who was murdered. Yes. I have. He was murdered while on. I don't know if he was in prison for life or if he was on death row.
I think he was in prison for life but he became apparently a Christian in prison. And when he was asked in an interview and you could probably find this on YouTube. It's actually in one of my books but good but he was he was actually giving as a major catalyst in his ability to murder people and even eat their parts of their body with such lack of emotion and which with such indifference is.
Because he came to believe in evolution. And of course, we don't believe that every evolutionist is going to do this.
When when when a human being has the the restraint of God lifted off of them and their total depravity is Given more freedom to act upon their notions and theories and ideologies and philosophies and religions this is what an outcome could be.
Where he said if human beings are no more than Animals who are more fully Evolved or developed then killing them and even eating them is of little consequence.
That's correct. And and and that is the ultimate conclusion. Let me give an illustration of that the foremost evolutionist the world is Richard Dawkins, okay, he's very vocal on this particular issue and You can see the descent and I talk about this when I do with commentary in Romans chapter 1.
You can see the descent into depravity because Dawkins recently said that well Child pedophilia is really not that bad. He actually said that. Dawkins said that yes, he did. Wow. He had an encounter with that when he was a child and he thought well really wasn't that bad.
So you see the descent of sin?
Yeah.
It's coming down and down and down to the point where and this culture is at that level to earth. It's it's kind of Amazing to see what's gonna happen next. Are we gonna approve approve pedophilia? There's some movements in the place to do that and that's kind of scary.
Yeah, the Atheist has no grounds to declare a set of rules that are a litmus test of what morality and immorality are they. I had an atheist a professor in a.
In a Seminar one time and he challenged me on this particular issue and I and I turned back and I said this. I said look. Since you believe there is no moral standard at all that we kind of make up our own rules as we go along I'm gonna make up a new rule.
I kill everybody disagrees with me and he says you can't do that and I say why? And he says well, it's wrong. Why is it wrong? I Could you just told me I could define my own rules and you see he's stumped.
He's caught. Because without a moral foundation There's no basis to say what's right or wrong.
Right. And David Silverman in his debate with dr. James R white basically admitted that Whatever is right is Determined by with the majority of people in any given region in any given period of time in history agree What is right and what is wrong.
And that's why he could not? say that the extermination of Jews in Europe during the Nazi regime.
Was wrong. He could only say he was personally offended by it then that then we would say then for example that Native tribe in Central Africa that's cannibalistic. It eats its enemies is perfectly legitimate because that's their set of rules.
That's absurd. That's completely absurd.
Right.
So that it's it's interesting that whenever you whenever you wander away from Scripture whenever you Contradict what God has taught it will. Even if you can't readily see it in the beginning It will eventually lead to something that could even be quite as monstrous as the Holocaust and so on.
And it's interesting how.
The the.
Atheists and others will will try to say it's things like Christianity that lead to the Holocaust. That's not true, of course, of course There is no evidence in the New Testament anywhere Where Christ commanded his disciples to murder people or kill them for any reason?
Obviously the there's a difference between the death penalty which is something that is That was a command of God in the Old Covenant, which many Christians if not most believe is perpetually something to exist when it comes to murderers and other the other people guilty of horrific crimes that would warrant such a penalty, but as far as wholesale slaughter of People because they are of different faith This is nowhere to be found in Christianity.
And so you. In fact Hitler viewed Christianity as a weak and pathetic religion. It was just really another Branch of Judaism as far as he was concerned, even though he used at times and the Nazis would use Some of the unfortunate statements of Martin Luther as their propaganda and they might they might try to appease those of Christian denominations with Christian Buzz phrases.
Yes, and that kind of thing but they were really not in any way shape or form even remotely close to the adopting the theology of Christianity these were people who were many of them involved in the occult or Nordic worship the the ceremonies of Marriages and so on were being changed over to Nazi ceremonies With with you know language that would be incorporation incorporating the pagan Nordic.
Religions and festivals and so on. Let me let me come back to one thing which your listeners don't know because I've never said this.
On the air.
My family background is my dad came from Germany in 1928 because his father was Jewish. His mother was Lutheran. He came he was mother's father. His father died in 1927 and he left behind three brothers that were Jewish merchants in Berlin.
Two owned a tobacco store one owned a gold diamond exchange the two owned diamond exchange and On Kristallnacht the night the Nazis let the people loose to destroy the Jewish stores. The twelve children and the six adults disappeared.
We've never determined where they went. Wow, they were they were probably put in the mass grave outside of Berlin. And my dad tried later on to try to find them. We didn't so I have a direct connection with the Holocaust in that sense.
And I'm a Bible-believing Christian because I believe Christianity addresses that it says simply that's dead wrong. That's an absolutely In actually it's an incredible event that they would even think to do that.
But you know the Jews are the apples of God's eye and the world wants to destroy everything God has.
Yeah, even if you were to The atheistic argument that Religion leads to things like the Holocaust. Well, that's true because I totally disagree radically disagree With this movement amongst conservatives even conservative evangelicals.
We should be just promoting theism as if theism as a rule is.
Superior to atheism. I don't believe that the only did the only thing that saves is Jesus Christ. Amen. And anything anything less than that is.
Noxious to mankind. I mean it's gonna take people to Britain to hell. So the that's the only place you can go.
Yes to just promote theism. Like like the the the old phrase that Atheists and people who would say that they don't believe in organized religion. They will say well that religion has caused more wars and more deaths than anything else in history.
Whether or not that's true I'm not gonna argue but I can say yeah. Because every other religion other than Christianity is a false religion. In fact atheism and agnosticism are.
Religions even if they are claiming they claim not to you, right?
Okay. Well, I'd like you to summarize for us in about yes with about five minutes of time.
Okay, I try not to hit your microphone. I'll try not to have my work.
I try to summarize in about five minutes worth of time a summary of what you had. A summary of a summary.
Yes, I mean the summary of what you have to leave our listeners. Yeah, the first thing I want to say is I'm working on Funding my marketing for this book and I'm using something called crowdfunding if any of you know what that is and I'm using a site called I'd Indiegogo, and so if you if you would be interested in that if you log on to the site and I'll give you the location.
It's IGG dot me slash 80 slash and now you want to use the letters to abbreviate the book in capital letters w3m DD so.
Maybe we should just give you an email address.
Give your email address email address is easy. Charlie at six day creation .com. Okay, because otherwise they have to memorize an eye. Charlie at six day creation .com if you're interested in interested in participating in all the crowdfunding of my marketing get to me at my Email address.
That's the first thing. Second thing is I believe this book and can make a big difference. Okay, the other two books I wrote were basically designed for the church for evangelism and answering questions.
This book is designed for a general audience. Okay people that are that are theistic evolutionists or evolutionists or whatever should read this because they should see the flaws in their arguments. I I've already had people that have reviewed it it's been available on Amazon about about six weeks now and I've had people that have bought it and reviewed it and and come to me and all with all kinds of objections and Comments, but I've never had haven't had anyone say that, you know, it's wrong.
They're just saying that did that they don't like it. Well, I don't care if you don't like it. I my purpose is not to be liked my purpose to put forth Christ. So that's the result. So so it's without three miracles.
Darwin's dead. The three miracles are magic. That's something from nothing. The second miracle is Frankenstein. That's life from dead stuff. And the third miracle is uphill molasses, which is entropy.
It's going uphill in a downhill world and those three miracles prevent atheistic evolution functioning a theistic evolution. We've dealt with already. We said simply it doesn't work because of theology because you can't have death before sin and it makes no sense to do that.
So theistic evolution goes out the window that leaves us with what creation or evolution. Atheistic evolution of creation. I pity the atheists because they have no other place to go. Creationists have a lot of places to go we can go to young earth old earth.
We can do a lot of different things, but the evolutionists are stuck with one. Let's talk with one which is atheistic evolution and it doesn't work. Scientifically, it doesn't work. You can't get something from nothing.
You can't get life from dead stuff and you can't go uphill when the whole world is running downhill. It's as simple as that Chris. It's been great being with you today. Yeah, appreciate that.
In fact, we should to make sure that our listeners when they are having conversations with their friends who are either Atheists agnostics or people who are just in general Questioning or disagreeing with the notion of an intelligent designer or creation.
Repeat those three things again because it's I think yes, those are things that should be repeated. You're not going to have Everyone in our audience being as boned up on the facts of science. Understand as you are we're not going to remember these things.
And and I know that you're a Presuppositionalist, so it's not really required that we know all these things but it is helpful to know these things.
But give give our listeners. Okay, take out take out your pen and write down this. Okay, the first miracle is magic and It means something appears from nothing. That's a violation of a scientific law and that violation of law is impossible.
The second miracle is called Frankenstein and it has to be do with the fact that dead stuff becomes alive that doesn't happen either in nature and it doesn't happen in science that law of biogenesis prohibits that.
And The third miracle if I call it uphill molasses and that simply says that you can't go uphill when the whole universe is running downhill and Evolution goes uphill in complexity. It goes uphill in processes it goes uphill in a great number of ways and it's not possible and.
And and the evolutionary argument adding energy doesn't work because energy only adds order when you have an intelligently designed machine. Like photosynthesis to do it. So science proves atheistic evolution is impossible and the book will put it together for you in a simple language easy to read.
Not not complex. Although I deal with things like Miller and Fox. It's done always simply in language. That's non-technical.
With would it be under the umbrella of the third miracle that molasses runs uphill. Would this be a category or a subcategory of that. The fact that Mutations do not reproduce when an animal gives birth for instance to a mutation a deformity when it when it gives birth to a offspring that is a deformity.
These.
Mutations if you will of animal life do not find mates and reproduce which really destroys the whole concept of evolution. Amongst.
That's that's generally true. But most evolution will argue with you and say well the mutation is kind of hidden. It's kind of so small. You don't really notice it generation to generation because they want to do it very slowly.
The the the problem with that is generally do mutations do not add new information. And to go from a light sensitive spot to an eye You need to answer and add a huge amount of new information to the genome and we know that now with our genetic research.
We know that Complexity is dictated by the genome itself that that's how you get complexity. It's dictated by the genes. The gene tells the body exactly how to how to produce itself and as a result, it has to be new information added and that never happens in nature and that's a violation of entropy and.
The whole concept of atheistic evolution doesn't it require so many Unfathomable Occurrences that are the odds are extraordinarily against these events occurring within nature.
Barring miracles someone actually did some research on this back in the 70s and they said what's the probability of taking some amino acids and mixing them up together having all the ones you need to sense it for life and Building a simple protein one of the simple proteins.
I dealt with this in book number two just building a simple protein the odds come to. Of having it happen, you know figuring out, you know. All the mixing together the right ones connect in the right place and everything has to be exactly in the right place.
And you've got in there right hand at the left hand. You only have right-handed. I'm certainly left-handed. Amino acid so half the half of them can't can't. Any time they interact the material becomes dead.
So you've got this so they've calculated the odds. The odds were one. Two, I'm sorry ten to the two hundred and thirty seventh power. Now that's a big number. How big is it? Well the estimate of the universe.
Totally a number of electrons in the universe is ten to the eighty. The amount of grains on the sand of the beach and the stars in the universe because God says they're the same and they appear. To be based on the research we've done is ten to the twenty.
So the probability of a protein arising spontaneously from a mix of amino acids is virtually impossible.
Especially when you leave completely out of the equation a sovereign almighty omniscient omnipresent Omnipotent God. And these are just Happening. They're hap they're happening allegedly by chance. Yeah, you you you must have intelligent to design.
You don't walk along the beach looking for watches because everything that's on the beach is great. A watch I mean all the metals are in the salt water and the the sand is there to make glass just you know.
Give me a little time and we'll have find a watch. We don't find a watch on the beach. Why not. Because it requires a designer.
And I've found plenty of watches on the beach.
They drop by somebody else, right, right, okay.
Aliens, okay.
In fact, I wait for people to fall asleep on the beach to steal their watches, but anyway. Well, I want to make sure that our listeners Have your contact information. Yes six day creation calm rights.
That's SI X day creation. Not the number not the number six day creation calm and the email is charlie at six day creation. That's any other.
Website or contact information. Yeah, there's two other websites that are available that that sell the books. But you can get them on Amazon. To is what my websites are your Christian answers calm. That's your why are you are your Christian answers calm.
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Okay, great. Well, thank you so much Charlie for being our guest today. Thank you. For all many thanks to all of our listeners who Listen today and especially those who wrote in questions. Thank you. Reverend buzz Taylor for being my co-host.
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