November 2, 2017 Show with Keith Foskey on “The Core Necessity for the Protestant Reformation”

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And I'm so delighted today have to have a very special guest live from the

pride of Florida.

Jacksonville, it's the Jacksonville kid.

Keith Foskey pastor of Sovereign Grace Family Church in Jacksonville, Florida is our

guest today and We're going to be discussing the core necessity for the Protestant Reformation.

And we're also going to be announcing a Jacksonville Reformation celebration that's taking place this Sunday.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time the very first time I should say back for I

think the third time.

Keith Foskey.

I'm doing okay.

I hope you heard loud and clear the the Jacksonville kid by Lynyrd Skynyrd

that I was playing.

Yeah,

and unfortunately the fadeout button wasn't working inside to bring the song.

I had to bring the song to an abrupt halt.

But anyway in studio with me is my co -host the Reverend buzz Taylor.

Hello, and thank you for that musical number.

I'm glad that I got to hear at least.

Well a lot more people heard it than you.

Yeah, and Today we are going to be discussing as I said something that is

near and dear to the hearts of Not only myself and my co -host and my guests, but I'm sure most of our listeners.

That is involving the Protestant Reformation and we are going to be speaking about the core of the necessity.

For that historic event an ongoing phenomenon.

But before we do get into that topic pastor Keith if you could tell us

something about Sovereign Grace Family Church in Jacksonville, Florida.

Yes, sir Sovereign Grace Family Church is on the north side of Jacksonville, Florida near

the airport actually.

And we have been a church.

Well, we've we've been a church for over 50 years.

But we weren't always a reformed church.

I actually grew up in this church.

I told this story on a previous episode of your program.

I grew up in this church, and it was part of the old disciples of Christ Denomination, which

if your listeners are familiar is is actually one of the more liberal of the Protestant

would consider itself, you know among the Protestants, but a liberal denomination and I grew up in that

and Wasn't saved in the church was actually saved through the ministry of a friend who was preaching the gospel.

And I heard the gospel and by God's grace.

Was saved at 19 years old and after I got saved I came back to the church I grew up in and

Wanted to minister and and do something in the church.

So I began to work here as a as a just just helping the pastor out doing things around the church.

Working with youth doing anything that I could and then after 9 -11 2001 I

felt the call to full -time ministry felt the call to preach.

It was really a call to preach and Through my time in seminary.

I went to Southern Baptist not the Southern Seminary.

But I went to a Southern Baptist Seminary here in Jacksonville, Jacksonville Baptist Theological Seminary.

I was taught the Bible and The men that were there were not reformed but they were but they were

loving men.

They they loved scripture.

And they taught me the word and through the ministry of another friend Brother Jim Dutton who

who is actually here at our church now.

He he Sort of opened my eyes to the reformed Traditions and the

beliefs of the reformers and and through the ministry of dr. James White and dr R. C. Sproul and

others.

I began to really imbibe that study and and in.

2008.

By that time I was already the pastor our former pastor had retired.

So in 2008 I began to preach through Romans during Sunday school.

I was preaching to the Gospel of Luke on Sunday morning and.

And people began to hear things they never heard before.

And By God's grace he led us through a time of Reformation and in 2010 we

officially became Sovereign Grace Family Church.

So we left not only an old denomination, but even the old name behind it used to be called Forest Christian Church.

And we left all that to to seek to be a reformed church.

And so so really this church I guess you could say is about seven years old.

And I know that the website is sgfc.

Jax J X.

Org.

SG for Sovereign Grace.

FC for Family Church.

Jax nickname for Jacksonville.

J X dot org.

And you are having a god -willing this Sunday, November 5th an event

that Is involving or features of one of my dearest friends?

Mike Gay Dosh who? was the pastor that

Dunked me under the waters of baptism and Was my pastor for

the first I Would say ten years perhaps of my life as a

Christian.

Was my very first pastor as an evangelical Bible -believing born -again Individual

and he is still near and dear to my heart and we are in regular contact.

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very much longer, but Having said that I'm so delighted that you are making use of the extraordinary

gifts of Mike a dash at this conference and also Tell us about David Burke who will also

be speaking at this conference.

Well, David is a man who's very near and dear to my heart.

Interestingly, we met through a local pastors meeting.

Used to have met once a quarter now.

We meet every other month and it's It's a group of pastors here in Jacksonville all who are

who are reformed.

Not but but David is a Presbyterian Pastor and he just retired this past

year.

But he and I have known each other for many many years and I would go to his church.

He would host this pastors meeting and I've just I've spent many hours talking to him you know

sometimes sitting in his office sharing burdens as a young minister with him being an older minister and He

has just spoken to my heart many many times.

And been such a blessing to me.

So this year when when he retired I said well now he's now he's free to preach.

Because as you know, his ministers sometimes hard to get on a Sunday, so I was excited to get to have him as

a On a Sunday morning to preach for us and I am excited to have Mike as well.

I mean, I think the two of them are going to bring a very powerful message.

Mike's going to be preaching on the formal principle of the Reformation, which is the doctrine of Scripture and

And that's going to be at 930.

So that's going to be our first session is at 930.

Taking the place of our normal Sunday school time and then we're gonna have a little break and then we're going to have our worship

service which will include music and Participation and we're having a baptism this week a young

man received Christ wants to be baptized we're going to get to witness that and then brother Burke is

going to preach on on the ancient paths and and his his his

Focus is to show from Jeremiah that what we're teaching is is not the Reformation is nothing new.

There's nothing new about the Reformation.

It's all it's the old ancient truths that have always been true and.

So that's the focus of this weekend.

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The one of the things that is brought up in reference to the Reformation as you know, Pastor Keith is

that The Reformation was a horrible

Unfortunate tragic event in the history of the church because

it divided the church and And not only did it divide the church it

gave birth to Thousands of baby churches and splits and

splinters and divisions and rifts and schisms and many will call

the Reformation not a glorious day where darkness became

light and where Men women and children were free to

read the scriptures as they were originally written.

And they were able to read the scriptures in their native tongue and where

they were able to Believe in the true gospel of the scriptures the true gospel of Christ that

salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone to the glory of God alone without fear of

being tortured and executed and They will turn that

glorious Truth on its head and make it into a dark and

Horrific Historic event that

Continues to this day.

How do you respond to that?

Declaration, which is obviously typically a declaration of Roman Catholics and a Roman Catholic

apologist specifically.

Well, yeah, it's absolutely interestingly enough and I just I

didn't get to watch the video but I noticed that even Ben Shapiro who sort of become the

The golden boy of the conservative talking points Movement had had something to say

negative against the Reformation.

He had a guest on who was speaking and Ben himself as a is a Jewish man, right?

Man, I actually I actually love a lot of what he has to say and and and oh admire his gifts.

Yes.

But I just found it interesting that I think the man who was on was Roman Catholic and was speaking Negatively about this being the

500th anniversary.

And it is it is easy for someone to hear the

things that you just said to hear that the product of the Reformation is

division.

If people hear that Then the the instinctual sort of guttural reaction is well that that's a

bad thing.

Because if the product of the Reformation is split if the product of the Reformation is is is

a lack of Unity then it seems to be like we've gone against what Jesus wanted because he himself

prayed that his people would be unified.

And so it seems as if that that would make the Reformation a bad thing.

But one of the things that has to be remembered is that Division among

God's people is not something that began in 1517.

Division among God's people has always been.

There have always been God's people who love the truth.

And then those who call themselves God's people who don't love the truth.

I mean you go back to the early councils and you go back to the time of Arius and Athanasius and

the council of Nicaea.

There was division there.

And yet it was a necessary division.

I mean even even the Roman Catholics agree that Athanasius had to stand up

against the majority of bishops in their own church who had succumbed to Arianism.

Absolutely, and if you think of Athanasius in the same

vein as as Luther the idea that here him

as well.

He said we can say

it wasn't the first divided

and you go back to the council There's a product of

Reformation Division, but

at the same time as you said so eloquently a few minutes ago It also

the Word of God product of

giving people the Word of God is division.

Then it's necessary.

It hasn't kept

keeping the word out of the hands of the people has not kept

the falling in terror.

In fact, it's allowed the church the Roman Catholic Church.

That is it's allowed it to go So deep into the into error because no one knew How

far from scripture they were because no one was able to see it and when the Word of God became

Open for people to read and the plowman I had just as much access to the scripture as the Pope

then it became obvious that the things that were happening

transubstantiation the Marian teachings

and the and all of these

the papacy itself all of

these things.

Now we.

Disagree Radically with the Church of Rome on a lot of issues.

I mean we do agree on some core Beliefs

that are that are primary and essential beliefs for true Christianity to exist.

We believe with Roman Catholics in the inerrancy of

scripture we believe with Roman Catholics in the Trinity and

The correct definition of the Trinity.

We Agree and believe along with Roman Catholics in the deity of Christ in his

virgin birth in His atoning death his burial and

physical bodily resurrection his ascension into heaven Is being seated at the right hand of the

father?

We share with Catholics These and other important things and we as I said already we

disagree with them also on a multitude of things but the things that

are at the core of What we are discussing today the core necessity for the Protestant Reformation.

Would you not agree that?

Even though we would say a Roman Catholic cannot logically and consistently say he believes in

any of the five solos of the Reformation There is some

semantical dancing around some of these solos where they May

share in their profession in agreement with them such as solely be El Gloria,

of course and.

But.

When it comes to the core issue that required the Reformation the core issue that Protestants are that

I'm sorry that Roman Catholic apologists Get fiery

about and we're are openly Objecting to and

dismissing and declaring as heresy are The two solos

sola scriptura and sola fide.

Would you not agree that those are the two?

They're really at the heart of the Reformation.

Oh.

Absolutely, if you were to if you were to try to have a discussion with Roman Catholic

on this

man.

And then they have to read they have to redefine what not only what grace means but we redefine what

all of means.

Yes, and I don't know if James White our mutual friend coined this phrase, but I remember years

ago Finding it really profound And it really it really

made the issue sink in Deeply, but the the way that he described it.

He said and I'm paraphrasing of course, but that the true gospel and

the true grace of Jesus Christ Give you perfect Shalom

you are truly at peace with God for eternity once you are

regenerate and The Roman Catholic gospel, which is really no gospel at

all Offers at least to the Catholic mind a ceasefire

Where by God is temporarily at peace with you, but that peace could erupt

Into a full -blown full -scale war with God at any given moment.

You have no assurance That if you have peace today with God you

will have peace later today with God or tomorrow and That is really not peace.

That's really a ceasefire and it's not even really a ceasefire because Those who

are at enmity with God have no peace at all with God, but in the Catholic mind

they are experiences Experiencing a ceasefire even though they would never perhaps

Define it that way themselves.

It is clear.

That's what they're teaching.

Am I right?

Oh, yeah.

Sort of for a second sort of go back to something you said earlier because you asked about the division and the.

You know the Protestant when we talk about Roman Catholics you really can't

make you can't really make a unilateral statement about what they believe because.

Even though there's a there's a boasting.

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But you know, there's that there's a boasting of the unanimity of faith.

There are the of the of the agreement among Roman Catholics and and there may be agreement.

On paper speak to Roman Catholics and you actually engage them.

You find that there's there's as wide a diversity of views Among Roman Catholics as there is

among Protestants on almost every issue.

I mean there are people that are Roman Catholic who support gay marriage there.

There are people who are Roman Catholic who support abortion.

Now now I will agree that the church Condemn these things at least for now.

We don't know what the current Pope is going to do tomorrow.

There's no unanimity.

Among all.

Catholics on in fact, I would argue and I and I just recently did argue this

point when I was having a Conversation slash debate on

the UK broadcast unbelievable hosted by Justin Briarley

Yeah, Justin invited me on to give my testimony and he informed me that there would be a Roman Catholic who is

a head of Some Catholic apostolate in the UK and I can't

remember the name of it right now The Catholic Union or something like that and he's also a

barrister or in America we would call them an attorney and I didn't know that

this was going to be actually a debate not not one as

Rigidly orchestrated as those that we've seen with dr James White where there is a moderator and things are

timed very rigidly and there is ample opportunity for each side to

Equally present their case and rebut the other's case and that kind of a thing.

This was more of a conversational style debate, but anyway

The there is a claim by the Roman Catholic Church as mr. Bogle did in

the unbelievable broadcast That the Roman Catholic Church is a

monolith that they enjoy Unity that Protestants do not that we are

basically As has been said by some

notable Roman Catholic apologists Solus scriptura is a blueprint for anarchy and of course, they'll

throw one throw around the fictitional number of 30 ,000 denominations and

things like that.

But as I said to mr Bogle and to Justin Briarley the host of that program that

I believe there is a much greater Division under what is

called the Roman Catholic Church umbrella those who are Members of the Roman

Catholic Church in good standing people who have not been disciplined people who have not

been Excommunicated people who have not been censored people who are speaking and

teaching Openly in Catholic seminaries and universities and behind

Catholic pulpits.

Who and nothing of any negative consequence occurs by virtue of their notorious?

Heretical teaching even by Roman Catholic standards.

You have a such a wide spectrum of people who are still considered faithful Catholics

and yet We who are conservative Bible -believing Protestants and that

it is not fair to include within the pale of Protestantism.

When we're talking about the division that exists because of Solus scriptura.

It is not fair to include churches that don't even believe in Solus scriptura.

It's not fair to include liberal mainline Protestants that we don't even believe are Christians.

We believe they're apostates and Of course they will even include these Roman Catholics when they come up with

these Numbers and they bring out all the division that exists.

They will even include cults in amongst our ranks.

They will include the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons.

And it was quite ridiculous.

Watching the program the journey home.

I'm sure you've seen that program.

Marcus grodi who's a Roman Catholic?

Host of this program who was a former Presbyterian minister.

No, no, that was Jerry medetics.

Well Marcus grodi said that Solus scriptura leads to such cults as the

Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses, which is Laughably absurd because neither one of those groups believe in Solus

scriptura.

You have the Mormons who have other books that they are considered sacred

and actually have superior status in their religion in the Bible because

The Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price and the Doctrine and Covenants Are not filled

with errors as they believe the Bible is because of mistranslations and so on.

And the Jehovah's Witnesses.

They go exclusively by what the Kingdom Hall Teaches

they can they cannot be mavericks.

They cannot be Bereans and and and read the scriptures and

Declare from them what they personally have been convinced Our truths from the scriptures.

They have to be in lockstep with the Kingdom Hall.

So just they are there are closer parallel to Rome actually than to what we are.

Oh.

Absolutely.

The Bible for themselves.

Go back to this is Jehovah's Witness literature.

But I've actually preached we have a Twice -a -year in Jacksonville there's a giant Jehovah's Witness convention

downtown and and and we have some open -air preachers in our church and we go down and preach and.

Some of the literature that they have actually says, you know that that by studying the Bible without the faithful

witness.

Which is the Watchtower?

By by studying Bible without that people go back into the heresies of the Trinity and things like that.

And it's so funny to hear him say that because basically what they're saying is if you studied the Bible you'll believe What

Christians believe.

To believe what we believe you got up you got to take our extra literature.

You've got to take the Watchtower and awake and all these things and you've got to have the faithful witness.

Who's who's doing this?

Yeah, who's leading you.

Because if you only have the Bible you go into those ancient heresies of you know truth.

Yeah.

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We pastor Keith we have a Listener from Slovenia, his name is

Joe and he says dear brother Chris.

Many people say that the core of the Reformation is the doctrine of salvation.

But it seems to me that the doctrine of Scripture is even more basic.

It seems to me that the most basic core of the Reformation is the concept of going back to the original sources.

Isn't going back to Scripture alone as our soul ultimately as our soul.

He meant to say it to spell it S O L E He spelled it S O U L as our

soul ultimate authority for all members of faith and practice that produces all the Reformation

doctrines including Sola Fide.

Isn't this the only way to guard against the tyranny of tradition the chaos of private interpretations and the

absurdity of Religious experiences as our guides yet.

These practices are widely prevalent in Evangelicalism and much more so in the Roman

Catholic Church.

What is the key to recapturing the core of ongoing Reformation in?

Evangelicalism, thank you brothers for your faithful service to our Lord and his church.

Excellent question pastor Keith.

I'm sure you agree and It is true that Sola Scriptura is really the

primary umbrella under which the rest of the Solas logically fall.

They're the only reason I think that Those other watchwords are needed is

because there are people who twist the scriptures and So therefore the

other Solas are more specific about some of these scriptural teachings.

But Sola Scriptura is the umbrella really or the first domino if you will.

That should if if the scripture alone is really your soul inerrant infallible guide to all

matters of faith and practice.

The other dominoes falling should be in line with the souls of the Reformation, but isn't our listener correct there.

Yeah, I would agree.

I think when we're talking about It's like Mike's going to be preaching on Sunday, you

know, the formal principle of the Reformation is the doctrine of Scripture.

What is Scripture?

Is it the soul?

Infallible rule of faith and practice for the believer or.

Does it share its authority with something else whether it be a church tradition or a

magisterial Authority some type of you know, Pope or something like that.

And that's the key.

To to knowing what is the truth everything, you know in in Protestantism.

We have copious amounts of confessions.

We have in fact right now.

I'm teaching through in our church on Sunday mornings.

I'm teaching through the 1646 London Baptist Confession, which is actually the first London Baptist Confession

was written in 1644 edited in 1646.

And and and so we say this confession is important because it outlines the truth of the faith.

But everything in it is subject to the scripture everything we

do as a church is subject to the scriptures, so it is a.

It is a truth to say that The scripture is and the doctrine of

Scripture is the foundation of the Reformation.

Right where I think though I had an interesting part of the question.

Which when he said, you know in his mind people focus on the salvation issue.

You

know,

I

guess

you

could

argue that

yes.

Right when he

started translating the scriptures from

Latin

into

German,

right?

Yes, and that's why when I brought up the issue at the very beginning I said that the two key solas

are sola scriptura and a sola fide and.

And the way that we can eliminate.

False.

Offers of hope false gospels false systems of religion That teach

some other way to inheriting eternal life.

The way that we eliminate those is by going to the scripture alone As our sole infallible

authority.

And therefore you have the the false traditions of Rome

Shedding being or should I say being shed from our faith

and practiced and piety When we were driven into the scriptures alone and

it's kind of interesting that even the Church of Rome Even though they hold their tradition on an equal par

and in reality they hold it in a superior level Although they wouldn't say that

They Even though they hold the scriptures or the or their tradition on an equal par

with the scriptures They still only believe that the scriptures are God -breathed.

You know, it's it's very ironic, isn't it that They will not say that a Pope's

Ex cathedra Ex cathedra statements or declarations, even though they'll say they're infallible.

They won't say that they're God -breathed.

They won't say that their tradition is God -breathed and yet they still let those other things Trump the

holy scriptures and One thing that is interesting though going

back to what you were saying about the weight of salvation and the weight of justification by faith alone

in some sense sola fide is Is more important than the sola

scriptura even because We who are Bible believing Christians Do

believe that there are some?

Within the ranks of the Church of Rome and Eastern Orthodoxy who are genuinely born again

Because even if they are incorrect about sola scriptura Some of them

have found the true gospel and embraced it Whether not knowing that that is not

the gospel of their own church or by consciously rebelling against their own church while remaining within it for some

reason but that is Actually an undeniable fact that we could go to is that the

salvation is really the most primary issue, isn't it?

Yes, and Roman

Catholic or

maybe maybe in Protestant churches or

Baptist churches or whatever that don't really understand.

And are saved.

They don't understand the the principles of sola scriptura.

They don't they don't understand the weight and authority of Scripture as as much as they should or maybe as we

hope that they would.

But it's sort of like I Heard our see dr.

C's believing in justification by faith alone is not what justifies you.

It's it's faith alone that justifies you, you know.

And the same could be true of sola scriptura if a person doesn't believe in sola scriptura.

That doesn't mean that they're damn that means that they're that they're that they're wrong.

They're confused, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they don't believe in.

So we have to be careful how we define, you know.

How we define what it means to believe in Jesus Christ.

And certainly.

Problem.

No, no, not at all.

In fact, I was going to say that I even know Personally a

former Mormon who is now in glory with Christ William Norman Grigg who was a friend of mine and a

frequent guest on my old program Broadcasting out of New York.

He was senior editor for the New American magazine for a number of years.

He was an outspoken Christian libertarian a very

strongly pro -life libertarian and he Was saved according to

his testimony by believing in the true Christ and true gospel of the scripture while a

Mormon and he did not have the.

He Selfly admitted himself that he did not have the courage to

leave the Mormon Church immediately after that discovery because he still had an entire family

trapped in Mormonism and The day that his wife had come to faith in Christ

true faith in the true Christ he formally Resigned his

membership from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints.

And he admits that he should have done that much earlier.

But it just goes to prove though that you can have somebody in a cult even who

in their mind and heart know the true gospel and believe it but they Out of fear, which is obviously

a sin out of a fear or some other delusional notion of

bringing Reformation to that group or whatever.

The Thought is that there are people who remain for a time anyway in false

churches, even while believing the truth.

Yes, and think about within Roman Catholicism.

How many people are born into Roman Catholic families and they're born into a tradition?

That is that is Generations old and so to them

to deny that.

You know that it is what Jesus said, you know, you'll be hated by your by your father your

mother your sister Roman Catholic to deny.

Their very frightening.

Yeah.

In fact, I met years ago back in the 1980s early 1990s a

a lovely Jewish woman who was a member of the Messianic congregation

whose Pastor was and is still a good friend of mine.

In fact, he lives in Jacksonville.

I hope he goes to your your conference.

But my friend Richie Saxon was at the time the minister at the Beth Yeshua house of Jesus in

West Save a long island and I met a Jewish woman who was a member there and she

Started to investigate as a little girl.

I think somewhere in the neighborhood of eight nine or ten years old.

She started to investigate who Jesus was because many of her friends were at least

professedly Christian and Protestant and Catholic and she just knew about Jesus from their celebrations of

Christmas and Easter and things like that and she Began if after discovering

who Jesus was Began a private Prayer

relationship with Christ.

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she would get a hard smack across the mouth and be punished in this Jewish

household and You have this girl who I don't know with certainty if she was regenerate.

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Jewish household going to synagogue with her with her Jewish family

Week after week and celebrating the Jewish Holy Days and all that.

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on having involvement with Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox people

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And.

Joint worship services and things such as that.

Are.

These people going too far with a professing a professed love

for their Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox friends, a love which is sadly deceiving them and will

ultimately send them to hell if they do not repent of their false religion and false gospel.

Burke is going to be with us this Sunday to

the doctrines of grace.

We

worship, we're going to be worshipping together and those things will be opportunities

at times

where

there's not

as much for walking into the abortion clinics

because both are just as lost.

Right, in fact, Dr. White, our mutual friend, Dr. James R. White, years ago he had

to part company with a pro -life outreach that he was involved in because they

forbid him from evangelizing the Roman Catholics that were collaborating on this effort.

That happened to us.

We had a group

pitching

their

name.

But you

can't use the quote about abortion.

You have to use in

the Bible.

They're

not

here just to

slash

Muslims or

preach in

their

pulpit.

And that reminded me years ago Narcotics

Anonymous were renting the building that the church

where I was a member owned.

In fact, I don't even think they were renting it.

I think that we let them use it for free.

And my pastor, or one of my pastors asked me to visit the meeting

to see what was going on.

And he knew that I had an addiction background or an enslavement to

drunkenness.

And.

He knew that I was set free from that and he asked me to pay a visit to these folks

and there were all kinds of bizarre testimonies by these drug addicts or

struggling or recovering addicts, however you want to call them or describe them.

All kinds of bizarre stories of how they were able to fight urges to

return to their drug abuse and they included even religious

things like I can still remember vividly a Hispanic gentleman

saying that whenever he had the urge to shoot up dope

he started to pray the Hail Mary repetitively over and over and over and over again until the urge

subsided.

And so I got up and I gave my testimony and I told the people there

that if you want to find true freedom and liberation not only from drugs but from

death and damnation I invite you to receive Christ as your

only hope for salvation.

And I invited them to come to worship services at that church where I was a member, where the meetings were being held,

the Narcotics Anonymous meetings were being held and I handed out booklets by Jay Adams on

addiction and I had this very large armful of these

booklets and I was mobbed by these struggling addicts who were willingly and

eagerly taking the booklets and then the guy running the meeting pulled me aside and said

afterwards when the meeting was over he pulled me aside outside in the parking lot and he said you can't do

that and I said I can't do what?

He said you can't endorse your religion at our meeting.

I said are you kidding me?

I said people are endorsing all kinds of religious experiences and practices and beliefs

as their way to find freedom from addiction and because of me

being specific about the true Jesus Christ and true gospel of the Bible I can't say that?

No he goes no you can't so my church had to request that they depart

from our building and not use it anymore we barred them from continuing their

meetings with us because obviously that's a horrible message that you are sending to people that you can find

peace and freedom without Jesus Christ and in fact if you start telling people that that's the only place you can find

true peace and freedom you're going to be told to shut up.

It's amazing to me.

What happens.

You know people expect the church to be like a social reason

and we have a

questioner.

That is asking something along those lines.

We have B .B. in Cumberland County Pennsylvania and B .B. is asking about something that you

actually mentioned to me before the program even started.

B .B. is saying.

What is your assessment of Sean Hannity's participation at Pastor Jeffress Church in

Texas?

I understand Pastor Jeffress.

I don't know how to pronounce that correctly.

Jeffress or Jeffress.

He is a Baptist and Sean Hannity is a Roman Catholic.

Was this a proper meeting that Pastor Jeffress orchestrated?

Well.

Like I mentioned to you last night and unfortunately I did not get a chance to investigate it any

further but I don't know the church

because

that's the place for God's word to be proclaimed.

That's certainly not a place where you would let an unbeliever get up and simply

no matter what the subject so that would but you had

mentioned to me that it might have just been a meeting of some sort.

I haven't done any thorough investigation either and I intend to but the

only thing that I heard was that it caused an uproar.

But I heard some describe it as an interview in the church.

It was an interview that took place on the platform or stage whatever you want to call it.

Some people call it the altar but I don't.

It's not an altar there are no sacrifices.

Right I know.

But.

As you know some of our brethren misapplied that term but it took place in the

quote quote sanctuary of the building.

But even if that was what occurred would you think that that

is a safe and proper kind of meeting for bible believing Christians and bible

believing a bible believing.

Church.

Should have someone who is clearly does not believe the gospel someone who is

not born again.

Should we allow them to have some kind of a prominent presence in the walls of our

church building just because we agree with them on some political and

moral issues.

Well let me give you let me just you and I

would agree as an unbeliever

and we might bring them in for a debate.

Yeah it's actually been sinful to the extent of the attacks upon him have been I think at times

wicked.

I disagree

and

again I didn't see it.

And to tell

you the

truth even

the way he.

Describes himself on his own show he's really a nominal catholic because he even says

that he doesn't really go to church that often.

So you're talking about a man who's got his own political agenda and

beliefs that he adheres to and some elements of that.

Perhaps even many are things that I agree with him on.

But the gospel of Jesus Christ is where eternity

is hinged.

Not on many of these issues that Fox News champions.

And by the way and Fox News doesn't really champion the pro -life issue.

Nor do they champion the biblical definition of marriage

or the biblical design of men and women sexually.

They don't really champion those things that are the unifying factor between

Bible -believing Protestants and Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox and Mormons and many Orthodox Jews

and even Muslims when it comes to morality.

Now.

Absolutely

we would call

and in fact

some conservatives.

Would argue that they are too far to the left.

They really have become a soapbox for Donald Trump even though they have people on there that

disagree with him.

Primarily those that are in disagreement with Mr. Trump are openly liberal people.

They're not the conservatives that are anchors on that network.

Yeah.

I am intending to write a letter.

I think I'm going to write one to Tucker Carlson because he's the one that I enjoy most by far on Fox News.

I greatly admire him and his abilities.

I would like to write a letter to him asking him to see what he could do to have an

abortion televised on Fox News because I'm baffled as to why people who have

such.

A.

Opportunity and ability to reach the hearts and minds of millions.

If they claim to be pro -life in any way why wouldn't they show something like that that really can

give the truth of the matter rather than just a battle of

words.

We can see with our own eyes what is going on.

Just like the Holocaust deniers had to be forced to witness the

newsreels and the films of the aftermath of the Holocaust and the concentration

camps the mountains of skeletal remains and so on and even the living

who were walking skeletons that survived that satanic

regime the Nazi regime and people.

There are still people today that deny the Holocaust but many were convinced through

those films.

Yeah

absolutely

online.

The horrors of abortion.

But most people are not willing to open their eyes.

To see that well I think they should be aired before every major political race when you have a

debate especially between opposing candidates.

If this is supposed to be a freedom for women then let's see what you're talking about with our own eyes.

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We are now back with the final 25 minutes or so with Pastor Keith Foskey

of Sovereign Grace Family Church in Jacksonville, Florida.

We are discussing the core necessity of the Protestant Reformation and our email address is

ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

ChrisArnzen at gmail .com and we have C .J.

in Lindenhurst, Long Island.

Pastor Keith who wants to know how do you respond to the constant drumbeat I am hearing is

that the Reformation is no longer needed in the 21st century?

Reformation is no longer needed is that the vast majority

people who go to church don't understand what the issues were to begin with.

It's not what is being proclaimed, it's not what's being taught, it's not the focus and so

because they don't understand what the issues are, it's easy to say that it's no longer

relevant but if we know what the issues are and we know what caused the

need for the Reformation to begin with, then it's easy to see why it still remains

relevant because the issues have not ceased.

Indulgences are still being given by Rome.

People think that was something that happened at a very short time period in the 1500s and it

ruffled Luther's feathers to the point that he had to write 95 theses, most of which dealt with indulgences

and they think that that was a very specific time point in history.

No.

Indulgences are still happening today.

The mass and everything that's taught about transubstantiation is still happening today.

They have only worsened since the

Reformation.

Yeah.

Every time that your Catholic friends and family members

send you a mass card if someone in your family or someone close to you has

died, that mass card is one of the many proofs of modern

day indulgences taking place in the 21st century.

Those mass cards, the money from those mass cards are purchasing

prayers on your behalf being performed by either nuns

or priests or monks, depending upon who is selling the cards, who are praying

for your loved ones' release from purgatory.

So.

This is something that still goes on today.

And that's not even a secretive thing.

If you open up the mass card, you'll read.

That.

They're pretty open about it.

Yeah, I

was

re

-came up.

You know, I'm trying to share the gospel and I asked the question, you know, if you died today.

And Pope

Francis has.

Declared indulgences for

things that are, you know, those outside of Roman Catholicism find

humorous, certain pilgrimages that people can make to

lessen their time in purgatory or lessen the time that their loved ones spend in purgatory.

It's...

Yeah.

But this need for the Reformation is not just

because we need to continue reminding our Roman Catholic friends that they have a false gospel

because of the fact that they also dogmatically, whether

the individual Catholic views it that way or not, the Church of Rome dogmatically views the

reformers and their heirs, meaning us, view us as having a false gospel.

So if there's only one gospel, we can't both be right, right?

But it's not only for a reminder to our Roman Catholic friends and a reminder to

us to evangelize them.

It is also something that is needed quite urgently amongst the ranks of modern -day

evangelicals, not even mainline Protestants.

Alone,.

But Bible -believing or professedly Bible -believing evangelicals.

There are a lot of nonsensical and heretical things going

on under the banner of evangelicalism today that would violate

at least some of the Solas of the Reformation, if not all of them.

And one of them that violates Sola Scriptura, and I have to be very careful because I don't want to broad brush,

but there are certain things going on under the banner of Pentecostalism and the charismatic movement

that would defy Sola Scriptura.

Things that are involving a focus on New Revelation

and new extra -biblical experiences that have no root

in the Bible itself, or that have gone far beyond what the Scriptures teach.

Can you speak on that and why that many people might not even be conscious of the fact that that is

also a violation of Sola Scriptura?

Yeah, absolutely, throw

out

a

child

in

the

church.

You

should

never

do

that.

You should never pray that she be healed.

You should only pray.

And I think about if a

prophet pronounces that, do not fear him.

He's under the condemnation of God.

And I worry for these folks.

I worry for their presumption.

I worry for their seeking to, as it were, add to God's Word.

Yeah, although the consequences were not or the

subsequent occurrences were not nearly as dramatic as what you just said.

About 20 years ago, when I was in my early 30s, I felt

pneumonia.

And I remember one of my advertising clients on a major Christian radio

station where I worked owned a financial planner

organization, financial planning organization.

And.

Financial consultants.

The husband and wife were members of a Word of Faith.

Pentecostal.

Organization or ministry.

And when I was speaking to the wife on the phone, she said, you sound

like you're sick.

What's wrong?

And I said, well, I've just been diagnosed with pneumonia.

And she said, well, I'm going to pray for you right now.

And she prayed a prayer of healing where she was demanding evil spirits

to leave me.

And she was declaring with absolute 100 % certainty that I had been healed.

She.

Said to me after her prayer was over, she said, so what are you going to do now?

I said, well, I have a doctor's appointment.

And she said, why are you going to a doctor?

I said, because I have pneumonia.

She says, no, you don't.

I said, yes, I have pneumonia.

No, you don't.

I said, yes, I have pneumonia.

I can still feel it in my lungs.

I can still feel like I'm ready to collapse right now.

There's nothing that has left my body.

I'm going to a doctor.

So I think you've got to rethink your theology there.

Giving people 100 assurance that they're healed of something that could be actually deadly

like pneumonia.

But that still sticks into my head, the absurdity of this woman declaring with me, in fact, even mocking

me for thinking that I was not healed when it was clear that I wasn't.

Yes.

Absolutely.

And that's where I think the biggest, when a Roman Catholic talks about Protestants,

to Joel Osteen, to John MacArthur,

it's not,

but that's what happens, is they're put into the category of...

Well, I do want to make sure before we take any more listener questions that you, in

summary, can, uninterrupted for five minutes at least, encapsulate what you most want etched

in the hearts and minds of our listeners today before the program.

Is over.

I mentioned earlier in the

faith alone, he said, you know, the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith as it is

written to just.

Luther was with his own sense of condemnation.

He knew himself to be a sinner.

He knew that no matter what he could do, no matter what he did,

he would never pay for even one of his sins, and he knew that

you are

there

today about divisions

between

Catholics,

and he

died

and

if

you're not

in the

church,

which

we

must

be said to

the gospel, and I

know that we care for you and want to see you come to know the Christ that we know.

Amen.

And we do have time for one or two more listener questions.

We have Christopher in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York, and Christopher

wants to know, I know this is a bit off topic, but have you run into hyperpreterists and do you think that

their heresy is dangerous enough to consider them a cult bearing a

false gospel?

Well, the hyperpreterists who would believe that there is no future

hoped for return of Jesus Christ for us now because he once and for all

time came into or should I say returned in judgment to

destroy the temple in Israel in A .D. 70 and there will be no visible physical

return according to them.

There will be no bodily resurrection of the dead, either the sinners or the saints.

And.

The hyperpreterists would believe that, and of course there are different kinds of hyperpreterists, but in the majority

they would be unified in believing that everything in the scripture has already been fulfilled.

Yeah, I would

deny that.

I mean,

I didn't

believe that Jesus Christ were coming again.

The church is always, I think, a denial of that.

Yeah, I agree with you 100%.

And we do have another Christopher from Cumberland County,

Pennsylvania and this Christopher says.

Do you think that the ordo salutos must be correct in order for one to

actually faithfully believe in the gospel, meaning do we have to believe

that regeneration precedes faith in order to properly understand that salvation is

all to the glory.

Of God?

Simple answer, I would say no.

I have

never thought to ask the question of regeneration or faith.

I'll be honest with you, you know, I was saved at 19 and went to seminary in

which one

preceded the other.

But I do find this

interesting.

In that document.

That's a Southern Baptist document, right?

Even it indicates.

I'm actually shocked that it's in the Southern Baptist official.

I haven't had it in

today.

So this is not.

A 19th century.

Edition.

I think

it's

definitely.

And don't forget, ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters that this Sunday at 9 .30 a

.m. and at 10 .30 a .m. at the Sovereign Grace Family

Church in Jacksonville, Florida they're having a 500th anniversary celebration of the

Protestant Reformation featuring David Burke and Mike Gaydosh.

If you want more details call 904 -757 -1800

904 -757 -1800 904 -757 -1800 or go to

sgfcjax .org.

That's S -G for Sovereign Grace.

F -C for Family Church.

J -A -X dot org.

Thank you so much Pastor Keith, and we look forward to you returning to Iron Trip and Zion Radio in the very near future.

Well, thank you for having me, Chris.

I want everybody who listened to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than

you are a sinner.