August 1, 2022 Show with Jerry Johnson on “Valuable Lessons I Learned from God After a Stroke”

Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Introduces Jerry Johnson and the Theme of Lessons After a Stroke

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Wishing you all a happy Monday on this very first day of August 2022 and I am so thrilled after a seven-year absence. We have as a returning guest today my old friend Jerry Johnson who is a renowned reformed Christian apologist a Documentarian and producer of the very successful DVD series Amazing grace the history and theology of Calvinism today.

We are going to be addressing valuable lessons Jerry Johnson learned from God after a stroke and It's my honor and privilege and joy to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio. Jerry Johnson. Well, Jerry, I have been receiving a lot of emails And Facebook messenger questions from listeners who heard that you were going to be on the show today.

And pretty much they're all saying the same thing what happened to Jerry he disappeared off the face of the earth. We used to love against the world that recurring Documentary style YouTube Production that you had it was a video production nonetheless.

I don't know if it was on YouTube but and your books and other things that were coming from your mind heart and soul and pen and voice. So the last time as I mentioned that you were on this program was seven years ago.

I had the Honor and privilege to discuss with you a very important issue. It was your documentary before beware false prophets the case against Charles G Finney Which is a mind-blowing eye-opening Documentary about the The serious heresies of Charles Finney, which really put him well outside of the authentically Christian camp.

And.

Even knowing this to be true there are amazingly many fundamentalists to this day who tout Charles G Finney as one of the greatest Christian heroes of the faith for the last 2 ,000 years. But that was the last time we were on seven years ago.

So exactly September 9th 2015 which is the same year iron sharpens iron radio relaunched after we moved from New York to Pennsylvania, so give us a update on all the things that have transpired since that date in.

2015 until now video. Beware of false prophets. I read a review a while ago and It was quite evident. The guy never watched it. And uh, let me just pause here real quick and make a statement. Since my stroke I do get tired talking and I slow my words.

Let's start slurring my words. And if I do that and you have to ask me to repeat myself, it doesn't hurt my feelings. So I just want to let you know that and let your listeners know that I've had a couple of people tell me I sound the same but It's slowly coming back.

But anyway, that's one thing. Let me talk about the Charles Finney video. Um, like I said, I read this review a couple of years ago and it was quite evident. The guy had not watched the documentary. Because this was not our reformed Calvinist versus our Arminian video.

John Wesley was an Arminian. I do believe as long as he was John Wesley was still my brother in Christ. I Would say that about any evangelical Arminian, I believe they're wrong. But on the gospel itself, they don't understand what they're saying, but they still believe it.

Charles Finney did not believe the gospel and that was the sharp distinction. He was actually a Pelagian and he really believed that you made yourself righteous. By obedience to the law of God we both know that the law does not provide Salvation.

Salvation you can never measure up and that's what the law does. It exposes your sin and points you to Christ and if you are not pointed to Christ According again, John Wesley if you deny total improperty or original sin Which Finney did you are still a heathen that is not me talking over.

I agree with it. That is John Wesley.

Charles Finney, Pelagianism, and the Gospel

Yeah, and that that actually came up and your documentary actually came up very recently. When I was interviewing a man Dr. David Lawrence who was for many years most of his life in fact a Member of the Church of Christ a minister in the Church of Christ and a professor at one of their most prominent universities Lipscomb University in Nashville, Tennessee and and we brought up the fact that many that not all we have to be careful not to brush the Church of Christ because Each congregation is independent and autonomous.

So they're not a cookie cutter but many within The Church of Christ are just as Pelagian as Charles Finney.

Yes, they are. That is true. And We'll let you know. I'll let you know this Chris. I was an Evangelical Arminian and I was actually debating a Church of Christ Reference over baptism and I was one that believed that.

Although you should be back. It's not if you're not baptized. You know. You're not that way. I looked at the guy and I said if you stood before God's throne basically question. If you stood before God's throne and he asked you why should I let you into my heaven?

What would you say and the Church of Christ? Apologists said well, I was baptized. I did this. I did that I joined the right church that had the right name blah blah blah, and I looked at him. I said, you know what?

Your problem is you said hi.

That's right. That's pretty much what David Lawrence said as well when in his description of his Question to many in the Church of Christ as well.

Yeah. And I realized he was right.

Haha. And I think I think Yes, and I think a good answer would be to Repeat exactly what the tax collector said in the temple after the Pharisee was bragging about himself in prayer That God be merciful to me.

A sinner.

And that's it God, amen. Anyway, let me go into. Probably know by now. I had a stroke and I can honestly say that was the worst day of my life. They actually had a massive and and how long ago was this?

Okay. And tell us all the sit tell us all the symptoms and everything that led to that.

You know, I better call my doctor. There's a friend of mine and I called him and he was in one of the patient and One of his nurses said can you tell me what the problem is and in my own stupidity? I said no.

And I said I'll call back later and I never did and Come to find out. He probably would have sent me to the hospital right away all of this Happened because six weaker six weeks earlier my wife and I had been going down 81 and I've seen my truck slammed in the back of our car and totaled it.

Praise the Lord. Neither of us wish I threw myself in front of her because I didn't want her to hit the dashboard. And when I did I hit the windshield. And although we can't prove it because it was six weeks later My doctor thinks that's what led to the stroke, but we can't prove it my wife I had parked behind her and we had a you know a single car and what I did was I usually went out and moved her my car and scraped the ice from our windshield before she left for work and All of a sudden this day I started not feeling good.

I started getting sick to my stomach and So I went the room that my middle son Jacob had occupied. I went and laid down in the bed now. He was no longer there. He had moved out with him and a friend while living together.

And so I laid down in the bed and I did regurgitate at one point and But it wasn't much. But I could remember laying down in the bed and I guess I fell asleep and my wife Tracy came down. And said are you okay?

And I said, yeah, I'm just feeling a little bit under the weather. She goes over here. Are you gonna move my car? And I said, you know, I just take mine. I don't want to move and She said are you gonna be okay?

And I said, yeah, I think so and she said I'll stay at home if you want me to. And I said, yeah, that'll be all right. And And I tried to go back to work and I still didn't feel and I decided just to log off and whatever.

And I went upstairs and I thought yeah, I'll turn on the TV and I'll fall asleep on the couch. Maybe I'll feel better when I wake up and my youngest son was home and I Could tell all of a sudden my right side started getting paralyzed.

My voice box started. I better say something before I can't talk anymore and My youngest son. He usually has or had his ear buds, and I don't know if he does any more. I caught out to him. I said by the way, he's named after Benjamin Breckenridge Warfield great name.

So So I said Ben come here for a second, please and he comes upstairs and he goes what's the matter and I said You better call an ambulance. And he looked at me and he goes are you joking? And I said no and He called the ambulance and they of course I walked downstairs.

I walked down the stairs, but I had to hold on to make sure I wouldn't fall. Because I'm a big guy I'm like and I weighed 250 pounds. Good, and I didn't want those ambulance drivers to have to carry me downstairs.

The ambulance got there pretty quick and the guy started checking me out and he goes I don't know I think you're having a stroke and they put me in the ambulance and I heard one of them say should we go to New River Hospital, or should we go to Pulaski Hospital?

Pulaski Hospital is small and the New River Hospital is bigger, but it's about 20 miles away and The Pulaski Hospital was about seven miles away and I heard the guy go. This guy's having a stroke. We better go to the Pulaski Hospital and about halfway.

There I realized I didn't want to talk anymore. They took me off the ambulance and That's the last thing I remember really and I was out for two or three days.

Wow, you were unconscious for two or three days.

Yeah, and I was it. Wow. They did not think I would make it through the bird. I did and I want to get back to that and then they said I would never walk or talk again. All I would have in is locked-in syndrome and all I could do is move my eyes and I proved them wrong on that.

They said I would never walk or talk again, and I proved them wrong on that. I work out now three to four times a day and I mean, I'm even walking Up and down our street with ankle weights on and weights in my hand without holding on to anything.

So. Yeah, I have those moments every single day many times a day.

Yeah, in fact, I just read a meme on Facebook recently that said, you know You're getting old when you can remember the lyrics to 1980s songs. Far better than you know, why you walked into the kitchen.

The Stroke, Recovery, and the Reality of Human Frailty

Well, you were talking about how you were on in the hospital for 45 days this is after being unconscious for three after your stroke and So what. Develop. Well, I would like to know what was going on in your mind as a believer.

Not all believers react The same way when they are experiencing a frightening crisis. The strongest of believers can react differently. Some Might remain very calm and be a perfect.

Very calm, although I would tell you I didn't like it. I mean, that's obvious. I've had some people they say a brother. What do you think? And You know, I pretty are written numerous articles. I published numerous books.

I've written a cup. Why would God let this happen to me. And I'll give you a short answer. Why not me? Because the only thing I deserve is the wrath and curse. I am in continual Manifest Rebellion against his glory and his majesty.

Every breath I take and all I could do is God. All I could do is cry out. God have mercy on a poor pitiful sinner like me. That's all I could do. Just like the top. Yeah. That is my answer. What I deserve is hell for us.

Pure grace, it's pure great. Oh, I know what I wanted. It's kind of a 5050. If you will people say to me, aren't you glad you didn't die. The Bible tells us to be absent from the body is to be with the Lord.

Do you think being with the Lord would have been a bad thing. Disappointed. Women strike me dead right now. That is the thing I think about sometimes. How close was I to be in with Jesus. You know when you come that close, I mean it really never did before.

Idea how I know I am gonna die because the wages of sin is death. How do I know I'm a sinner because the wages of sin is death. I'm going to die. Everybody will. Cuz all men are sinners. And we're saved by the grace of God.

Amen and You have had a very Accomplished life as a Christian. Your Works that you've produced Not only what we were just discussing the the documentary exposing the heresies of Charles Finney, but the amazing no pun intended Documentary series called amazing grace the history and theology of Calvinism.

Every time I speak to somebody who is aware of that series. They say that is the very best Tool available to teach the doctrines of sovereign grace aka reform theology aka Calvinism. What was going through your mind during those? periods of your life That needed changing that perhaps this stroke has been used of God to get you to change some attitudes or Beliefs or practices in your life.

You may have been Dealing with pride for all I know. The thing that's amazing about Calvinism is That the doctrines themselves if rightly understood humble the sinner even after they are saved and yet there is an abuse of them where People who claim to be reformed in Calvinist are very often exalted to a proudful state In contradiction of what the the doctrines teach us.

I'm just guessing here. What what were things? And these lessons in fact that was the very theme that you wanted to address. Valuable lessons God taught you After a stroke, so tell us about at least a couple of these before we go to our first station break.

Thing I would tell you in the video amazing grace and by the way, just so you know I'm not I not only produced it a loser or the executive now Eric Holmberg. He's a much better writer I'd write like a technical journal.

Eric did a good job on writing it as a journey and One of the things had to me why does God don't know I could tell you why he doesn't choose. In fact Jerry we're gonna have to go.

To a station break because we have been kicked off the air somehow. I don't know. It's a technical issue and I'm going to go to a commercial break until we figure out what's happening. Yes, just hold on and we'll be right with you and We'll be right back after these messages.

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We are now back with Jerry Johnson. It appears that even though there was a temporary Glitch in our broadcast that Apparently the recording never stopped. So we still have all that content before the break you were talking about your magnificent Series DVD series.

Amazing grace. The history and theology of Calvinism Calvinism. How many CDs? I'm sorry DVDs comes in that How many DVDs comes in the the set?

Right. If somebody just goes in great and I think that it is important that we inform our listeners.

That unfortunately the host of that documentary, I don't know why I'm pronouncing it that way. Documentary. The host of that documentary Eric Holmberg has converted to Eastern Orthodoxy That and I do not say this as a as an attempt to insult Eric or to be mean-spirited, but that is a very serious and grievous departure and I would ask everybody who? believes in the doctrines of sovereign grace to pray for Eric's Theological restoration and his return to the truth because Eastern Orthodoxy is a is a pretty.

A.

Very seriously. Dangerous departure from biblical faith. Am I saying anything out of step here? Brother.

You know, there you go. So let's put that's the best way to answer it. And the only reason I thought the doctor any kind of orthodoxy like that.

Right, right, right.

Right. They were making terms of us, would you do that?

Yes, and in fact Paul warned Timothy to be on the lookout for Wolves rising up within the church. So the the age of a theological system is not a litmus test for biblical accuracy. And and of course, there are many reformed people who?

Enjoy. Right. And. And of course. The study of patristics is something that we should not throw out the window, but you cannot or should not have a.

Disproportionate.

Value of what the father's had to say.

Right. I read it when I was still an evangelical Arminian and it was from the pen of R .C. Sproul. I worked it into the amazing grace. If you come across a certain passage and you have an interpretation every notice of every other Christian for 2 ,000 years or has been championed by a universally recognized heretics that you ought to abandon your.

Interpretation. Amen. And by the way, I would like to at this point plug very enthusiastically an interview I had on April 13th 2018 With dr. Jack D. Kinnear that spelled K I n n e e r. He is a Presbyterian pastor and a professor at the Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

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Going on.

Sure Interview.

I read it from his own words. I read it from his own words. Yes, it was a.

Discussion he was having with people who are wondering why he was so silent for so long and not being engaged in public discourse and He had said that he had converted to Eastern Orthodoxy and thought it was the wisest thing to do to not immediately start publicly Identifying himself that way and getting involved in debate and discussion.

He wanted it to sink in for a while and I'm putting words in his mouth he basically he in that Area of life. He was actually doing the wise thing. Not that his conversion was wise in my opinion being a reformed Christian.

But he was. He was not rushing out into the arena of debate with this new faith of his. So but I saw it coming from his own. His own source, so, you know, these were words coming right from him.

Was in 1989. So I've known him wind-up doctrine and you would not believe how many times was a charismatic. He was involved in the word faith movie and Then he became a Southern Baptist. Then he gave overtures to the Roman Catholic Church and when I wrote amazing grace and I sent him the script He became reformed.

I was thinking. Oh good finally, and So that doesn't surprise me, but it does this. Yes as it should any.

Believer in the doctrines of sovereign grace. And as I said, I want our listeners to pray for Eric and I repeat that I'm not trying to be mean-spirited here at all. But I just I just take these things very very seriously.

I was raised in Roman Catholicism and It wounds me greatly to even think of the anguish of experiencing Observing beloved family members still enslaved to superstition idolatry and works righteousness and.

So therefore when I. Right now he and Randall Terry's right. And one thing I could say about the Roman Catholic Church is they are. They're not pro-abortion.

Right, although although their current Pope Gave the mass to Nancy Pelosi knowing that she is a believer in child.

I saw that. And I'll deal with these guys. Let's a lot of them would be there. They would start crying and praying together and Eric said are these people really not Christians? And I would tell him if they do this Christ and the Apostle Paul and the arrest of the Apostles Said about the gospel then know if they're putting their faith in their system, then they are not.

Now have I ever met Roman Catholics that I believe were saved. Martin Luther was a Roman Catholic. John Calvin was a Roman Catholic, so you gotta say yes, but at some point they come out of the church or God calls him home.

I don't know. That's up to God, but I can say this with confidence if they do not believe that Justification is by grace through faith in Christ alone. They are not Christians. I don't care who they are.

Yes, we.

Have Ted in Moundville Alabama who's listening and just chimed in. Say it ain't so. Mr. Holmberg was instrumental in my Understanding the biblical gospel for the first time. Dating back to my early college years.

So there's another person lamenting over this news.

You know what? You never know in five years. Eric could change his mind again, right. And let's pray that he does. Yeah, he could. Right now I'd scrammed.

Yes.

Start the interest. Yes. Yeah, in fact, I'll ask him why and I'd like to get George back on the show.

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Iron sharpens iron radio over the years. Right? Oh great. Well, I hope you come too and What you know email me the details? I will maybe I'll try. I will. Since my stroke, I'm not driving. Uh-huh. Well, maybe somebody get somebody else to drive.

Yeah, well bring.

Bring a Whole contingency from. You're in Virginia, right? Yes, sir. Yeah, bring a whole group of folks if you if you want. Yeah, in fact. In fact, I would love to see you at my pastor's luncheon as well with dr. James R. White on September 22nd here in Pennsylvania at Church of the Living Christ in Loisville.

Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Wasn't it a cruise it was a. Yes.

Well, I would love to see you again, in fact, wait a minute. Believe it or not you and I have never met face-to-face have we. But I would love to have that occur for the first time even though we've had.

Well, I hope they were all Armenians. Just kidding just kidding.

The East, Rome, and the Need for Doctrinal Discernment

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