February 13, 2017 Show with Conrad Mbewe on “Foundations For the Flock: Truths About the Church For All Saints” PLUS Andreas Kostenberger on “Women in the Church”

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Proverbs 27 verse 17 tells us iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another. Matthew Henry said that in this passage quote we are cautioned to take heed whom we converse with and Directed to have in view in conversation to make one another wiser and better.

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arns in your host of iron sharpens iron wishing you all a happy Monday on this 13th day of February 2017 and the day before my birthday I might add.

The second hour of today's program 5 to 6 p .m. Eastern Time will feature a live interview God willing with dr. Andreas Kastenberger. He's going to be discussing a book. He contributed to with other authors titled women in the church an interpretation and application of 1st Timothy chapter 2 verses 9 through 15.

But the first hour of the program I am airing a partial rerun of a recent interview I conducted with my dear friend, dr. Conrad M.

Bayway.

Pastor of Kibwata Baptist Church in Lusaka Zambia Africa on his book foundations for the flock. The reason why I'm airing a part of this interview the first half of this interview that I recently conducted With dr. M. Bayway is because dr. M Bayway is one of four featured speakers at the Sola Scriptura Reformation conference to be held at New Life Presbyterian Church in San Diego, California on February 24th and 25th.

I wanted to air this interview with dr. M Bayway as added publicity for this conference, which I hope that you will attempt to attend if at all possible. The other three speakers include dr. Michael Horton host of the white horse in radio program dr. Robert Godfrey president of Westminster Seminary in California and Phil Johnson the executive director of grace to you the Ministry of world-renowned radio and television Bible teacher and author and conference speaker and pastor Dr. John MacArthur, if you want more information on the Sola Scriptura conference go to Sola 500 .com.

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500 .com, but now here's our interview with dr. Conrad M. Bayway and I can tell you as many of you heard me yesterday Raving about what a blessed time I had at the g3 conference in Atlanta. The way I was overwhelmed by God's grace and encouragement Through all the brethren.

I met there who listened to iron sharpens iron Radio from all of the United States and even some from the UK. Some who also have listened to my show going all the way back to the old days in New York Starting in 2006 and some who have followed the debates the live public theological debates that I've arranged with.

Dr James R. White. Going all the way back to 1996. The only drawback the only thing that really let me down during that whole week in Atlanta Georgia was the fact that I did not have the opportunity to interview.

Dr Conrad and Bayway face to face for the first time. I was looking forward to that I was actually only two booths away from you when you were being interviewed by somebody else Conrad and I kept looking over.

Looking over to see if you were still there because I wanted to jump on the chance to interview you immediately after and then. Something distracted my attention and I looked over and you were gone. But I figured you know, it was probably providential anyway, because I assumed that you were probably by that time day exhausted and It's probably better that the Lord just providentially opened up this opportunity today for us to have a more lengthy discussion and I'm gonna let our listeners know right off the bat what our email address is if they'd like to join us on the air with a question.

It's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris.

Arnzen at gmail .com and please include at least your first name your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA. And. Before I even go into our main topic foundations for the flock truths about the church for all the Saints I want to know something about you Conrad.

We've had you mentioned this before on the program, but we have new listeners all the time. It seems every week. It seems I have new listeners To iron sharpens iron. So I'd like our listeners to know something about your own Childhood the religion of your family if any and how the Lord providentially drew you to himself and saved you.

And then subsequently how you came to embrace the doctrines of sovereign grace also known as reformed theology.

Thank you. It wasn't until a that I consequently so I was actually whatever it was my praise God. Well, how did you know that?

God had put a call upon your life to become a gospel minister.

Well, you know, I found that whenever I was so.

Was Kubota Baptist Church an existing congregation or was it something that you started as a church plant or how did that come about?

What happened praise God and.

Tell us something about also Lusaka Ministerial College and the African Christian University. Now I've noticed that quite a number of prominent preachers from The u .s. Who are from Reformed and Reformed Baptist backgrounds have been traveling overseas to Be in some way in cooperation with you in the African Christian University.

Yes, how is Vodie Balcombe and his family adjusting to the. I'm sure a quite a stark.

Contrast of living.

From being in the United States over there in Zambia Africa had the privilege of hearing.

Vodie Balcombe. For the first time Preach that is in a live public setting in a church. Not long ago in New Jersey when he was speaking at a conference and I was totally blown away with the power and the gift that he has the command that he has of the scriptures and Was thoroughly edified and blessed not only by hearing him preach and teach but also meeting him personally.

And Let's also Mention the The Central Africa Baptist College and Covenant College of Zambia.

Yeah, and last but not least we can't forget about the African Renaissance University.

Project of the African Alliance of YMCA's won't you tell us about that? And some people might be wondering if you are in Zambia Africa why you have repeatedly used the phrase over here in the u .s. During this conversation.

That's because dr Conrad and Bayway is still here in the u .s. After having preached at the g3 conference. And that was one of the certainly as far as I'm concerned one of the great highlights of that Conference is to hear my brother preach again, and I don't want to swell his head.

But he is truly one of the most if not the most powerful preachers of the gospel I have ever heard in my life and I relish every opportunity to hear him and see him preach The gospel. And it just so happens that Providentially, he will be at Grace Baptist Church of Canton, Michigan this Sunday January 29th at 9 45 a .m. 11 a .m. And 6 p .m.

And if you could tell us about what you'll be speaking about at this church.

Well, basically first thing in the morning. I'll be Giving a presentation on them in the that I will be giving in order.

Well, they this church a Grace Baptist Church of Canton, Michigan has one of the best websites I've ever seen. They must have grabbed this in the early days when websites were spurs being made available.

It's sermon org.

Serm.

O n org and What a great website and easy-to-remember website they have so if you need any further information on how to get there or if you cannot make it to The services this Sunday how you could get recordings of it go to sermon org.

And I'm sure you'll be able to get all the information that you need. And if you are able to get to Canton, Michigan this Sunday I strongly urge you to do so because you will Have a cherished memories that you will never forget of hearing pastor Conrad and Bayway preach.

That is if you truly love the Word of God love the gospel and love biblical preaching powerful preaching thunderous preaching. I Just cannot come up with enough adjectives to commend my dear brother in the gift that God has given him to proclaim His precious and holy word.

So, I hope that you go to sermon org and find out more information about that Conference. The book that we are going to be addressing as soon as we come back from the break is foundations for the flock truths about the church for all the Saints and I just want to thank granted ministries for providing us with copies of this book today and The wonderful folks over at the church that is affiliated with granted ministries Christ Fellowship of Hannibal, Missouri.

But if you would like to join us on the air with a question for dr Conrad and Bayway when we come back from the break, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. That's CH RIS AR n Z n at gmail .com.

Don't go away. We'll be right back. God willing with dr Conrad and Bayway and foundations for the flock truths about the church for all the Saints and don't forget about the Soloscriptura conference that is February 24th and the 25th at the New Life Presbyterian Church in San Diego California featuring dr. Conrad and Bayway as well as dr. Michael Horton dr Robert Godfrey and Phil Johnson of grace to you ministries the ministry of John MacArthur.

So we'll be back with more of this rerun after these messages.

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And we're returning now to our rerun of our interview with dr Conrad and Bayway and. As I said earlier, he is one of four speakers at the solo script Torah conference on February 24th and the 25th at New Life Presbyterian Church in San Diego, California.

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500 comm. Welcome back. This is Chris Arns. And if you just tuned in our guest today for the full two hours of the broadcast is my old friend. Dr Conrad and Bayway who I have known since 1995 when he first came to preach at Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island, New York where I was once a member while living in that area and I am glad I'm so delighted that the Lord has Continued a friendship all these years between us and I have had the opportunity to interview him a number of times.

He is pastor of Kubota Baptist Church in Lusaka, Zambia as I mentioned before and today we are. We are addressing his book foundations for the flock trues about the church for all the Saints which has been published by granted ministries and Just in case I forget to mention it later when the time is running out The website for granted ministries is granted ministries org granted ministries org and tell us dr. M Bayway how you First came up with the concept for this book.

What was the catalyst that led to the?

The compilation of this book. I knew that if I Wouldn't be give so I began an annual seminar has come up with it and so on so I would Do a washer. Seminar materials would then be? Compiled he found Approximately 30.

He asked if for me it was and I want to give pastor Chad Thompson a plug.

His congregation is Christ Fellowship of Hannibal, Missouri as I mentioned before and if anyone wants to find out more about that Church go to Christ Fellowship Hannibal org and Hannibal is spelt at H a n n I be a L dot org Christ Fellowship Hannibal org.

And well you begin the book on something that Shouldn't be controversial but seems to be very controversial. In fact, it has been controversial for issue for centuries. It is the issue of baptism that is not only something that has divided true believers from false, but also even to some degree divides we who call ourselves Reformed Christians the issue of credo versus pedo baptism believer only baptism versus infant baptism.

But you have in the first chapter Your baptismal class notes and if you can explain what you mean by that. Now we who are theologically reformed Do not believe that baptism is salvific. We believe it is something that an obedient Christian.

Must do.

And in order to obey and honor Christ but it is not something that saves them and In in response to that there are many Christians Who would share the idea that baptism is not salvific that unfortunately therefore Conclude that it's not important and they think it's a very trivial issue.

But this is not the case at all. Is it? Amen. And Perhaps if the Lord grants us many more opportunities for interviews we can go through each of these Concepts and actually devote a whole program to each one.

But since we have a broad Range of subjects here. We'll move on for now until we address some of the listener questions. Which we already do have a couple of folks waiting for their questions to be asked.

But I will address them a little bit later after we get through some of these major topics here this is another chapter that is quite controversial in the church that Brethren in Christ disagree with a biblical church government.

We who are Reformed Baptists as you know Conrad we have folks that disagree with us both from the Baptist background and from the Presbyterian and other Reformed groups who? Disagree with us because they the latter the those that are Presbyterian and from Dutch Reformed backgrounds and other Denominations have a denominational structure.

They have presbyteries they have they have boards and denominational hierarchical structures that extend beyond the local congregation and Although our fundamentalist Baptist friends and other Baptists on the other side Would agree with our views on local autonomy and independence as Congregations they would disagree with us many of them would on the plurality and parity of elders in the church.

But if you could address those issues.

Yeah, there are very.

Helpful beneficial and perhaps even crucial vital. Checks and balances. When you have a plurality of elders. Does it not tend? Toward preventing although nothing that we humans do is perfect. And it doesn't absolutely with perfection prevent dictatorships in a church.

But it very often can when you have one man as the sole leader of a congregation. That can be Potentially a very dangerous thing. Can it?

Yes, so the parity aspect of the plurality of elders.

Would that be that The men are recognized for their different gifts and abilities But at the same time have equal authority. Would that be some way of describing parity of elders? There are. I mean sometimes people listening may think that I'm broad brushing too much or Making reform Baptist a cookie cutter concept where everybody's the same.

There are Churches that identify as reform Baptists who do not believe in the plurality of elders. But there are also reform Baptist churches that have one pastor not because that is their Church, that is not their adopted church polity.

It's just because there are no other men in the congregation that are qualified. Would you say that every church that only has one pastor for that reason? Should be always praying for and seeking for other men to be raised up in the congregation.

So there is a plurality of elders.

Yes, definitely, but still it must be something that they are working towards. The there's no need to to rush to the point where now as I mentioned.

Before the other side of the spectrum that we have some disagreement with is in regards to denominational structures of polity and government. Our dear Presbyterian brethren and other Dutch Reformed Pato Baptists and other groups.

Perhaps even if you want to include some of our Calvinistic Anglican brothers. They obviously have a denominational structure in a hierarchy that extends beyond the local Church. Now what is in your opinion the most valuable?

Reason that we who are Reformed Baptists are not a part of denominations. We believe in the independence and autonomy of local congregations, although having said that we do believe that it is very important that congregations cooperate and have communication and Fellowship with each other, but we don't believe that there is authority outside of that local congregation other than Christ himself.

So if you could let us know what you think is so valuable about that concept.

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Women in the Church: Genesis, Editions, and the Meaning of the Text

Where dr. Conrad and Bayway who you just heard speaking on a rerun our was airing. Dr. Conrad and Bayway will be speaking along with dr. Michael Horton of the White Horse in dr Robert Godfrey president of Westminster Seminary, California and Phil Johnson of grace to you ministries the ministry of John MacArthur.

That's solo 500 comm but don't go away. We are going to be right back after these messages. And we will be joined live By dr. Andreas Kastenberger on our discussion on women in the church, so don't go away.

Complementarianism, Egalitarianism, and the Genesis of the Book

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen. And once again, I want to remind you for those of you who are listening to the Prerecorded interview the rerun that we had on for the first hour with dr Conrad and Bayway of Kubota Baptist Church in Lusaka, Zambia, Africa if you're interested in going to the Sola scriptura conference that he will be speaking at in San Diego, California.

At the New Life Presbyterian Church in San Diego. You can find out more information about that conference at Sola 500 calm Sola 500 calm and Dr. Conrad and Bayway is going to be speaking along with dr. Michael Horton Dr. Robert Godfrey and Phil Johnson, so we hope that you can make that Conference and now as we had mentioned before our guest who is live right now.

Dr. Andreas Kastenberger is senior research professor of New Testament and biblical theology and director of PhD studies at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. He's the founder and president of biblical foundations org an Organization devoted to encouraging a return to the biblical foundations in the home the church and society.

Today we are going to be discussing his book women in the church. And if you'd like to join us on the air with an email or with a question, I should say You can email us at Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron. Dr. Andreas Kastenberger. Dr. Kastenberger the subject at hand that we are going to be addressing a Book that you co-authored along with other contributors, and I believe they are the other contributors are taking different sides of this very controversial issue.

Controversial issue on women and their role in the church. But if you could tell us something about the genesis of this book women in the church and why? This project was first launched. There are other books in print about this very controversial issue, but if you could tell us how this came to be.

Absolutely, so the first edition of that book actually appeared 20 years ago over 20 years ago in 1995 and the book has become some sort of a you know the standard treatment of 1st Timothy 2 verses 9 to 15 and it went to a second edition in 2005 and then last year the the third edition appeared and I think that's a tribute to the sustain power of the discussion on the role of women in the church and The the new research that is continuing to be done.

And so that third edition is Featuring fresh articles on various aspects of the passage and and even some some new chapters. And so we're just very grateful that the conversation continues.

And I understand that when you first began to do exhaustive research on the issue of gender roles you actually set out. With an egalitarian mindset that you really wanted to see to find in the scriptures.

That women had the freedom to be involved in any role. In the church and perhaps even in the home without restrictions. But then you came to discover something quite different during your Exhaustive research if you wanted to be honest with what the data had told you.

My co-editor and also Bob Yarborough who's one of the main contributors to the volume they both Write in their chapters just like you said that they started out actually Believing and certainly wishing to believe that the egalitarianism was true.

But they also had a firm commitment to the authority of scripture. And so as you mentioned if they began to engage in thorough study of That passage they became convinced not only that the passage properly interpreted Says that women ought not to serve also that that was not just Timothy in the first century continues to be relevant today.

And how long? During your life as a Christian. Did you have an egalitarian view and were you a Pastor or a professor at that time when you held that view well.

My personal life story is actually quite unique in that I grew up Roman Catholic and never read the Bible till I was about 23 years old and at that time I someone witnessed to me while I was traveling and I started reading the scripture on my own and then had a fairly radical conversion experience and felt the call to the ministry and as a result then Simply read the Bible Essentially inductively just trying to make sense of it.

You know without anybody really guiding me initially and so it was just the graces together and Then also with some other people who had done some extensive research background research. We have one chapter in the book that is on first century on first century.

He really helped me understand the backgrounds You know a lot better and also some of the other Contributors in the Jesus whether it's hermeneutics whether it's even you know, the relation every culture.

Now you said that this book women in the church that you contributed to was first published in its first edition in 1995 and It is now in its third edition. What has changed if anything in the church at large in regard to this issue?

Or the view of this issue since then.

Well, there have been some massive changes certainly in the culture with regards to Not even just you know, the role of women in the church people conceive of gender altogether. Not only the Supreme Court ruling on same-sex marriage, but also the the transgender revolution and so clearly.

You know, the culture has moved a lot further away from the biblical teaching in the last 20 years I would say even in the last five years than many of us ever thought would be possible and certainly in such a short time.

And it's probably helpful for us to give definitions right off the bat on What we are discussing here. There are two major views and of course, um I'm assuming that there are other views in between the two extremes, but you have the complementarian view of Gender roles in the church and in the home and then you have the egalitarian Understanding of gender roles if you could define each of those.

Absolutely. Certainly, that's very important to define our terms and you know labels sometimes can be a bit misleading because the fact is complementarians to believe in gender equality and Egalitarians also believe in complementarity and so in some ways those those labels are not perfect.

But I think the way they're conventionally used Complementarians believe both that men and women are equal with regard to their status before God as you know that With regard to salvation, but when it comes to roles in the church There is a primary responsibility assigned to the man both in the family and also in the church and As a result men should be the ones ultimately In charge of the church and of the home.

And egalitarians on the other hand They also call themselves biblical or evangelical feminists. They believe that men and women are equal not only with regard to You know personal status before God, but also with regard to role both in the home and in the church.

So there ought to be no You know Authority on part of a man in the home, you know, the women should be pastors just like men in the church and.

What what in your opinion are the? The prevalent arguments that are most compelling made by egalitarians as to why they believe women should not be Prohibited from any role or function in the church or in the home.

Well, I think what I've seen egalitarians do is on the topic. I think they typically use Galatians 328 which says that there's neither male nor female but all are one in Christ as some sort of a foundational passage and I think and that the Bible does affirm male-female equality when it comes to salvation.

I I think when it comes to the first Timothy 2 12, which says that All says I do not permit a man to teach a woman to teach to have authority over a man. I think what they say is either that the passage Only applied to Paul's day because of unusual circumstances such as women's lack of education.

But it does not apply today anymore. There I would say that first Timothy 2 13 and 14 ground Paul's command and creation order God making Adam first and then Eve and then also in the role reverse where that been at the fall and so I think My concern there is they substitute a rationale that is not made explicit in Scripture for the one that is Actually stated explicitly in verses 13 and 14.

You know, it seems sometimes the the feminists and the egalitarians who are pushing for Equal opportunity for women in every role and function in the church and home. They sometimes I think say things that backfire on their own agenda.

Like for instance, I have heard the argument perhaps you have that one of the reasons why the Apostle Paul Prohibited women from speaking in the church or that women should remain silent in the church was that they were prone to gossiping during the worship services or just chatting On other matters that did not involve what was taking place.

And to me. This seems to be actually playing into a stereotype of women being Gossips and chatterboxes if you will. It just seems to be it seems to be against what a feminist mindset would be in regard to women.

Yeah, I think you know what what I've seen egalitarians do the you know, the coach and Often affirm that you know, there is are given just because of a given abuse in a church or a given and It's clear that you know, all of Scripture has Is occasioned by particular, you know need in the church or any need for instruction, but I think at the same time because of that need then The inspired authors would give instructions that are not just limited to that particular Circumstance even if argument sake you would say that Paul only told You know women not to teach men or have authority over the church because there was a particular problem in the church Because he grounded it in creation order.