Debate: Does God Exist? # 15
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Matt Slick (president of www.carm.org) debates Edwin Kagin (2005 Atheist of the year) in Pensecola, FL in April, 2008. Can the atheist worldview account for rationality/logic? No. The Christian worldview can; therefore, atheism cannot be true.
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- I can't believe in what you believe in. I'm physically, but I don't think I should be damned.
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- Because I'm not a bad person. I don't go out and hurt people. You're missing his point. You're missing my point,
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- David. You're missing his point. He, like Matt, is not saying, I condemn you, honey.
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- God does. It's God who wants you burned at the stake. It's a harsh truth. It's a harsh truth.
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- I think we're gonna wrap it up here. It's a harsh truth. God wants you burned at the stake. Here's why
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- I asked that question. Let's finish it here. The crux of that question is this.
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- In the country I currently live in, I have the freedom to believe that. Yes, you do. But you do not have the freedom to go out and commit crimes in the name of God.
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- This is true. Are you a proponent of continuing to uphold my freedom to believe what
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- I believe? As we said that we support you. And we don't look for the extinguishment for the sake of eradicating your behavior.
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- Sir, I have and I will continue to do so. Defend your right to believe anything you want.
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- I will not defend your behavior if your behavior and your belief forces you to violate the rights of someone else.
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- In other words, your rights end at the point of my nose. If we were to follow a process as well known as the
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- Hegelian dialect into a point where we come to a consensus that for the survival of the earth and its present state of growth that it should meet a point of critical mass that if everybody doesn't conform to one belief and God is a source of contention and is intolerable.
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- How about the one belief of the flying spaghetti monster, the pasta fairy? Now we're talking about the freedom for me to believe what
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- I want to believe. Is it going to be held up by you and you then? Because at that time, see if we go to that point where we follow that dialect to its consensus, are you going to support my freedom to still believe what
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- I believe? Not if it causes you to harm other people. Not if it is detrimental to the survival of the world.
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- Now you're talking some pretty dangerous talk here. I can see where this is going. It might be necessary in your worldview for the survival of the world to eliminate atheists who are interfering with God's plan.
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- Is that possible? That's not possible? Okay. You wouldn't do that? Okay. I've already said that it's not my desire to extinguish or eradicate anyone.
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- Thank you, sir. Can I just get that last answer, that last question?
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- If it came to that point, to the survival of the world, would you support my freedom to believe what I believe as a non -violent faith -practicing
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- Christian? Thank you. All right, thank you. Let me say this. It sounds like we began the night with the question of does
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- God exist. We kind of moved into more of the issues of Christian theology, the
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- Christian religion in specificity. So I would encourage you as students out here, as faculty, administrators, whoever you may be to continue the dialogue.
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- Absolutely. It's been very civil. You've conducted yourself, I think, for the most part, honorably. With very few.
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- But to continue the dialogue, do it in a civil way and do it in a way that is respectful and courteous.
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- Okay. Let's give each of our debaters a round of applause. Thank you.