TiL- Reformed Covenant Theology pt 9

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We are on part 9 or chapter 9 of covenant

Theology, let's see reform covenant theology by Harrison Perkins chapter 9. We're going to be going over that tonight stick with us

Dan how's it going? Good. You just said chapter 9.

I'm in the wrong chapter. Oh That's not good. Here's the cool. Here's the fun part about it.

I wrote down chapter 7 I wrote down the title to chapter 9 So I'm ready to do all the stuff that we're supposed to do, but I don't have any of the right information written down I Will muddle our way through it go team

And we've not been together since November 2nd the day in which

Dan and I share a birthday. So happy birthday, Dan Well, thank you. I turned 40 this year

Nice nice, then I had to take a nap for the last three weeks What does that say for me

I turned 46, are you used to it? Well, I got you. I got you.

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So we'll give Dan just just a few minutes

Dan lives in a northern state in America and They recently had he said over a foot of snow which caused them to lose power he said they just got power back the other day and they're trying they've been trying to do some catching up in the house and He's fortunate to have power and was able to be on with us tonight

He may have had some power issues there at the house So we're gonna give him a few minutes to get back on with us

As he is working his way back And I don't have my phone. I don't know if he's texting me or not maybe he can send me a

Message via the internet But we're looking at covenant reform reform covenant theology by Harrison Perkins It's it's a really good book if you're interested in learning more about reform covenant theology reform covenant theology is most prevalent in your

Presbyterian and Reform Baptist churches or Christians who identify as Reformed or Presbyterian or Reform Baptist And there's there's so many different distinctions that that that can be made and differences that we could talk about between and in nuances between the different denominations between the different Ideologies and and doctrines between and even

There there's a reformed church out there. That's Definitely not related to the the Presbyterian idea of reformed theology or the reformed

Baptist idea of reformed theology and Maybe that's something that we can tackle

Later on of what they believe as a reform as a reformed church

Not a reformed Presbyterian reformed Baptist, but just the reformed church. I'm gonna try to take this off while I'm talking

I've got to find it first. We've got two people watching. Thank you guys for watching Dan something happened to his internet and he

It froze on him and he left. I'm I'm hoping that he still has power and he's able to get back on with us

I'm gonna give a few more minutes to try to To try to join us and get back on so we can look at chapter 9 of covenant theology

But if he doesn't they've had some power issues where he lives because of snow and things so we will get back to this eventually either tonight or Another night when

Dan has some more stable internet access But one of the questions that I want to ask

Dan first off when it comes to this chapter chapter 9 of reformed covenant theology

Was this as we've been looking through the different chapters in this book and And getting

Harrison's Perkins understand of reformed covenant theology and he's pulling from the Westminster Confession He's Presbyterian, but there's been reformed

Baptist who who recommend this book I've enjoyed this book and I really don't have too much disagreement

I've not read too much disagreement as as we've worked our way through this book But here's what surprised me as as This has been a book on reformed covenant theology,

I Feel like there's been a lot that a dispensationalist could agree with especially this chapter the the title of chapter 9 is covenant of grace in the benefits of Christ, so Just leave off the word covenant a dispensationalist believe that we are saved by by growth faith

Through faith by grace by grace through faith. They they believe that we are saved by grace just like we did and So and they also believe that when you are saved by grace by God's grace.

There are also benefits that come with being in Christ being saved by God in Christ and You receive those benefits you enjoy those benefits and they will be the same benefits many many many of the same benefits that we would see as Those who hold to and believe in reformed covenant theology so my question that I wanted to pose to Dan is

Where's that distinction if if we are? Going to this material reading this material on reformed covenant theology

Where's the distinction from a dispensationalist? That's the big question if I want to learn about Covenant theology or form covenant theology.

I want to understand the difference between it and the dispensational covenant theology like I said in the in this chapter a

Dispensationalist is going to agree that we are saved by grace and that there are benefits in Christ Let me read you this quote.

I was going to share this with Dan And I'm gonna hate to backtrack and and And Double up say it again repeat myself once he comes back but um,

I'll read this and and Actually Bear with me for a second.

I'm going to pull up Pull up the messenger here

And see if I can reach out to him on messenger. Well, it says something went wrong not working

That's not very helpful. See I don't have my phone with me, which is odd. I usually have my phone and It is not with me tonight.

This is my only option is messenger and it's telling me something's going wrong That's not working.

Let me close this out open it back up see if I can get in So what's the difference between?

Dispensational and reformed covenant theology when it comes to being saved by grace and the benefits of Christ Well on page 221, this is what

I offered to Dan I was hoping to hear from him and eventually we will hear from him and his answer

Let me see Sorry for the silence.

See if you can see that So this this little section and again, we'll cover this when

Dan gets back because this was a question directed to him. It says Herman Bavick describes this

Continental dimension of union with Christ as a bond but already forged between the

Mediator and those who were given to him by the father in eternity in election.

So there's a key part there There's there's something to take note of by the father in eternity in Election so there would be a distinction there will be different and more precisely in the pact of salvation.

So You have in eternity in election That's one thing and then you have this pact that he's talking about.

The pact is the I would say And I won't confer with Dan to the covenant of redemption

This is the covenant between the the triune God between God the Father God the

Son and the Holy Spirit to redeem mankind so there's there's this act from eternity past and You have election in eternity past which

Election is going to be part of that pact And then he goes on to say by the decree about this

Union the son became the elects substitute ex -promiseur

Precisely because he already was in communion with them and was their guarantor and mediator

So there's there's another huge huge part of this precisely because he

Jesus already was in communion in eternity past when this pact was made between the triune

God and part of that being election Read into the the fruit of that pact is that he was already in communion with them who the elect and Was their guarantor and mediator?

So we were already seen as in Christ in eternity past Because of this this pact and there's a distinction

There's a distinction between Dispensational theology and reform covenant theology.

So we both believe in the covenant of grace We both will or we don't we both believe that we are saved by grace

We both believe that because we are saved by grace and found in Christ there are benefits to being in Christ and We maybe can have a conversation about Are there distinctions between the two theologies?

And when it comes to the benefits of being in Christ, however Here is where I think the distinction is that and and Dan can correct me if or he can make an addition if the if you'd like to at some point, but the distinction is those who believe in Dispensational theology are going to believe that this this salvation by grace is during this this particular dispensation

Which is going to be I don't remember the seven dispensations, but this dispensation the

Post Christ after the post cross. Here's the dispensation of grace, I guess

And I haven't memorized the the seven dispensations because I'm not a dispensationalist but here it during this time is when grace grace is offered and This is when we can be saved by grace and They would not say that there was a pact a covenant a promise made

In eternity past which part of that pact was to elect for himself a covenant people and so therefore

Jesus was our We were seen in Christ because of this covenant because of this pact and there

I think is part of part of a big distinction that can be made between Dispensation Dispensationalism and reformed covenant theology.

So I've been going 15 minutes. Dan was with me at the very beginning I'm going to cut this short because I want him to be involved in this conversation so as I said

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All of the pastors all the preachers, but one will be working our way through Luke chapter 9

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