Abortion and the Secular Worldview

Second Timothy 2 15 be diligent to present yourself approved to God a worker who does not need to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth

Alpha and Omega ministries presents the dividing line radio broadcast The Apostle Peter commanded all

Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us Yet to give this answer with gentleness and reverence

Your host is dr. James white director of Alpha and Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church If you'd like to talk with dr.

White, you can call now by dialing 5 0 8 0 9 60. That's 5 0 8 0 9 60 and now with today's topic.

Here's James white As far as we can tell there was nothing wrong with the little baby that the woman was carrying back in 1993 when she flew to Wichita, Kansas from New Mexico at the age of 15 for a late -term abortion

The young mother was eight and a half months pregnant eight and a half months pregnant that is

Significantly longer than for example, my firstborn son was carried. He was premature by seven and a half weeks just a few weeks from being delivered when

Abortionist George Tiller injected potassium chloride into the baby's brain

Tiller also administered a chemical solution that horribly burned the child's lungs and throat

Tiller expected a dead child as a result of the procedure But he later found out the child was not dead.

That was July 15th 1993 the day that Sarah Brown was born alive

Sarah Brown died last September at the age of five due to complications caused by the attempt on her life as an infant

Isn't it fascinating my friends that it is the same abortionist to whom a 14 year old,

Arizona girl is Either there has gone to I don't know

I've been out of town for a couple of days and I can't find anybody talking about this story anymore

Can't find any discussion of it any longer It seems to have been a tempest in a teapot that's gone away

But if you live in the state of Arizona, it's your story tax dollars and your leaders and your judges

Who have deemed it proper that a 14 year old girl go to the same? abortionist

Who killed Sarah Brown? for another abortion of From as far as we know a perfectly healthy and as each day passes more and more viable

Little child that's a society we live in. It's called a post -christian society It's called a society that no longer has a foundation upon which to make moral decisions

It's called a society that's been taken over by religious fundamentalists and you say excuse me

Religious fundamentalists. What are you talking about? Our society has been taken over by religious fundamentalists it has been taken over by secular humanists who are absolutely fundamentalistic in their outlook

They see only one perspective They are zealots for their cause and there is no length to which they will not go to promote their agenda

I've heard a lot of discussion. I've heard the John Jacobson for example, who is the president of Arizona right to life?

Saying I cannot understand the incredible desire on the part of The pro abortionists to see this baby dead

Well, I can understand it. I can understand it very clearly you see given the worldview of those who promote abortion as a

Safe and legal method of family planning Rather than what it really is the wanton purposeful

Destruction of human life Over against all of the

Simple factual data that we have today all of the the technology all of the facts that we know demonstrate beyond question

That that unborn child is a unique individual human being that the genetic makeup of that child will never be repeated again

That each one of us each one of you listening to me today once existed as a 28 week old preborn child

Aren't you glad you survived? Aren't you glad someone didn't kill you then? We all were there

That pre preborn child is a human being and yet we kill them Regularly all across the

United States and here in our state We do so though pro abortionists will not engage in meaningful debate on the subject because they know

That on the simple factual level they don't have a case Instead they will throw up all the standard emotional argumentation

They will throw sand dirt and dust in the air and do anything but engage in rational dialogue on Such a vitally important issue

There is not a single person that could possibly knowing the facts knowing anything Anything about science knowing anything about embryology knowing anything about developmental biology?

There's not a single human being who could look you straight in the eye and say I know for a fact and can prove

This isn't murder No They just close their eyes plug their ears and Say well, we need to talk about women's rights

And I wonder what about Sarah Brown's right At eight and a half months to be born and to live her life.

She didn't have that right? Oh Well, it's only certain women's rights. You see really it's only certain women's rights who agree with us

Those the only women's rights that we're concerned about We live in a post -christian

Society that is tearing itself up. We sit around and wonder in Shock at Columbine High School folks.

We shouldn't be shocked at Columbine High School Why in the world should we be shocked by what happened there

We murder unborn children every day. Why in the world should we think anyone should value life at all?

You can't put on the schoolroom wall. Thou shalt not kill How in the world can anyone be shocked the violence that surrounds us?

I was driving home Thursday afternoon The kind folks here.

In fact, I'd very much like to thank Chris Ward and the staff here at KPX Q I showed up at Sky Harbor International Airport on Thursday morning and it was actually sitting at the gate with my boarding pass ready to get on the aircraft to fly to Southern California and to be the in -studio guest for the

Bible Answer Man broadcast on Thursday and Friday and And they had a mechanical failure on the aircraft and canceled the flight and I was not able to go so as soon as I got in my car

After paying for a full day's parking for only being there for an hour and 46 minutes in the long -term parking anyways after having done that I called

Chris Ward and Chris jumped into action shall we say and I did the

Bible Answer Man broadcast Some of you I don't think we even were aware of this from approximately

Ten feet from where I'm sitting right now in one of the studios. It isn't quite completely finished but almost totally done for the switchover that's taking place with 1360 and 960 so on and so forth and that was the only studio

I could do it in that had the proper Had the proper hookups to be able to to do this

And as I said Chris Ward did a lot of work and getting that all set up and we're very thankful for that Did two hours there and I was driving home from doing two hours on the

Doctrine of the Trinity and I was listening to Marty Minto show and The representative of the

ACLU was on talking about why they were opposing a program over in Gilbert as I recall

And I could not help but think as I was listening to this particular woman speak

How our entire society has been absolutely positively hoodwinked

We don't think straight anymore Nobody does even

Christians have so allowed The secularism of our society to become totally unchallenged

That we don't think straight anymore Here was a situation and I don't claim to be an expert on all

I heard was the program But a situation where the ACLU writes a letter to Gilbert and says you don't want to do this this program

They're talking about this thing. They're talking about because it is not neutral If you go the website, they're

Christians so Christians cannot promote their worldview in our society and Nobody will stand back and say excuse me, but the

ACLU has a worldview Secular humanism is a worldview

That woman representing the ACLU is a fundamentalist secular humanist

She is just as religious. In fact, sadly more religious and more zealous for her religion than most

Christians are These folks won't give up these folks won't back off But they are promoting a worldview.

Oh But it doesn't have a God in it. It doesn't Really? There are no ultimate authorities

In this worldview you better believe there are just because people don't have the guts To rip the mask off and say here.

Here's your God Doesn't mean that there is not a God in this system.

They may not call their ultimate authorities God But you better believe they have their ultimate authorities

And you see this explains John Jacob six wonderment at The zeal of these people who want to make sure that that little child never sees the light of day

You see they have their God Their God is choice choice human autonomy

That's their God and you see if morality righteousness

The simple facts that this is a human child that deserves to live Gets in their way gets in the way of that choice

Well that goes against their God that goes against their religion and oh are they so zealous in defense of their religion

They won't stop. They just keep going and They serve their religion and They serve their religion.

Well day and night Tirelessly not just on one day of the week or two days of the week.

They serve their God every day of the week Scriptures describe such individuals the scriptures describe the zeal that they have

After a long catalog which includes murder and that's what abortion is after a long catalog of the sins of men in Romans chapter 1

Haters of God insolent arrogant boastful inventors of evil This is the incredible statement of verse 32 of Romans chapter 1 and although they know the ordinance of God and I'm sorry you can't look me in the eye and tell me

That Brian Finkel George Tiller and these people do not know what they're doing

They see those children someone well said that if a woman's abdomen were transparent we would not have abortion in our land

Well, I don't know if that's the case We certainly would know what's happening.

We certainly would know that we're killing an Individual human being Abortionists know they have to deal with the mess that they create by their quote -unquote procedures

They know what they're doing And although they know the ordinance of God That those who practice such things are worthy of death

They not only do the same But also give hearty approval to those who practice them

They will pat each other on the back They will encourage one another don't worry about those

Christians Bury that conscience don't let it bother you

Think of all the good you're doing and just let us define what good is let's not worry about having any external means of defining good

And although they know the ordinance of God that those who practice such things are worthy of death.

It's not that little baby It's not Sarah Brown It's the people who practice such things

God's judgment hangs over their heads and Even though they know that they not only continue to do these things

But they give hearty approval to those who practice them they encourage others to do it You see if more of us are doing it, then we feel better We'll take a poll and we'll discover what what the current viewpoint of the culture is and we'll determine

What's more on the basis of the poll? Isn't that what's happening in our land? Isn't that what's going on?

my dear Christian listen to what's happening in our society when you hear a fundamentalist atheist a

Fundamentalist secular humanist on the radio on television listen to how they speak

Listen to what they say These people are religious

These people have a worldview and we have to challenge it We have to rip the face off of this supposed neutrality to hear the

ACLU this program isn't neutral friends The programs that denied

God is creator are not neutral either the educational system

That has drummed it into the heads of every person that we're driving by on the road right now

Our next -door neighbor the person walking past us in the mall wherever you might be right now

The reason that so many of these people the vast majority of these people even those who call themselves

Christians Never give a second thought to the idea that God is their creator God is their maker and therefore

God can place demands upon their lives God has a law that says this is right and this is wrong. You know why they don't think about God that way well, first of all, they don't want to and Secondly the society we live in has said no there's there's no creator

God We're just the random result of a random process of chance

Life might have started on this planet. Maybe didn't start it doesn't matter It just happened to have it's all random chance and then we wonder

Why a Dylan Klebold shoots people If you think you're just simply the result of random chance, why not?

We sit around wondering why is all this happening when the simple fact matter is my friends the society's foundations have been destroyed and Christians sit around and instead of imbibing from the

Word of God the Christian worldview We imbibed from the world the world's view and then transport it into our view of Scripture and we wonder

Why there's not a strong voice that says this is right and this is wrong Oh, but certainly the the media and people are come down you like a ton of bricks

Oh, how close -minded of you you want close -mindedness? Listen to a humanist listen to a materialist you want close -mindedness go read the time magazine article that Stephen Jay Gould just wrote

About evolution you want close -mindedness That's where you'll find it. That's where you'll get it the closed -mindedness comes from secularism the closed -mindedness that says we will not listen to even the

Possibility that we are the creation of God and in fact, we will close your mouth Try being a creation scientist once all happen to you as you'll be mocked

No one will engage you in any type of meaningful dialogue They dare not do so It's a religion and Our society still remains very very religious.

It's just we've exchanged the God of Christianity For the

God of self We've placed ourselves in the center The sad thing is the result of that is a absolute and gross degradation of human life

Life's not sacred anymore You can have dr. Death running around up there in Michigan You can have abortionists that are have been turned into cultural icons and heroes

For being so brave to kill defenseless little children all in the name of women's rights

What about the rights of that child? Oh, well, let's not talk about that That's not really a child why not

Every argument that they put forward you can shoot it down in flames Within two minutes if that person will simply allow any semblance of logic to exist in the conversation and That's why

I don't find any Abortionist who is actually willing to address the issue in any type of debate format.

They won't do it. They can't the facts are all against them and they know it and They thrive on muddled thinking

They thrive on those that can be Emotionally swayed one way or the other who do not have the ability to sit back and say

I need to examine this issue on A factual and logical basis. No, they don't want that because facts and logic stand directly contrary to them

So the only way to do it is to dumb people down focus them upon their emotions and And well from what

I see in our society they've done a pretty good job of it a Pretty good job it post -christian society

What happens when you abandon the teaching of the Word of God what happens when what the

Word of God teaches us about who we are and what we are and The preciousness of human life what happens when you abandon that?

We see it all around us We see it every day in the behaviors of people the degradation of human life.

It's no longer considered something that is sacred It's something that's expendable What do we do about it as Christians?

Well, there's only one thing we can do about it We've only been given one power

We've only been given one ability we don't get rid of these problems by banding together and compromising on the central issues the faith

We don't get rid of these problems by compromising on what the gospel is The only power that has been given to us that changes the hearts of men is the gospel

All of the gospel and that includes the section of the gospel it talks about God's freedom

God's sovereignty and God's power We don't need to add a an update that emphasizes man's sovereignty man's freedom and man's power

That's playing to the very God of our society the God of choice Autonomous man

You see theology does impact a lot of other things What you believe about the gospel does impact

Even what you believe about how to interact with the society and deal with the society

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That's area code six. Oh two Five zero eight zero nine six two we've got to come up with all these numbers now

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I'd assume you need to dial six. Oh two to get five. Oh eight zero nine sixty Not one triple eight talk nine sixty

I'm telling you someday. We're gonna have 24 digit phone numbers, and I'm not sure how radio stations are gonna be able to survive that And get people to try to remember things like that five zero eight zero nine sixty one triple eight talk nine sixty

Why has this story? Fallen off the radar screen Why isn't anybody talking about anymore?

Flash in the pan type stuff boy when it first came out everybody's upset all this is terrible But you know folks as I listen to the people talking about it

I Didn't hear anyone insightfully getting to the actual foundations of what the issues are and that includes

Let's be honest here that includes the pro -life advocates That includes the good guys sadly

Many on the pro -life side treat this as a political issue it's one political side versus the other political side and In politics today, it's it's not really wise.

It's not really good to talk about things like moral absolutes

God is creator who creates man and that therefore life is precious That's a dangerous thing to do

You won't get elected if you say things like that so we make it a political football

I Haven't heard anybody talking about the fact. Oh, yeah, they talked about you know this baby's going into the 28th week

That's a viable child There's no reason to end this child's life.

Let's talk about. Oh, well. It's supposed to be the result of rape. Oh That's a big one today

See if the child is the result of an evil act Then we have the right to take the life of the child

What happened to the person who did the raping oh Well, we need to defend them.

I mean they may have come from a bad background a bad situation and know we need to kill the baby and Coddle the criminal you wonder why our world's upside down Backwards you ever get the sense that things have just simply gone nuts they have

But if you dare point these things out and say excuse me, but aren't you being grossly inconsistent?

Aren't you being? Grossly contradictory with what you've stated elsewhere. Oh, no no no no we

Who are you Oh unloving person? Who are you

Oh mean nasty Christian fundamentalist? To attack me the greatly enlightened one

You see it every single day in the newspaper you see it every single day on radio and television

It happens all the time. How did it happen? Wasn't there a good old time as the golden age back a number of decades ago when

Everybody just believed the Bible was the Word of God well. I don't think there really was

I think there was obviously a time in our society when when people would accept that there was a supernatural

Revelation and they would at least consider the possibility that they're subject to it there certainly has been a change that's taking place over time

But how do we get where we are now? well part of it is that we've been lulled to sleep and We don't listen to arguments.

We don't listen to what people are saying. We don't rip the mask off and say hey wait a minute You're telling me.

I can't quote -unquote promote my worldview But you can promote yours under the cover of law

That's what the ACLU thinks That's what the ACLU does Is promotes their worldview under the cover of law?

But says to Christians, huh don't don't you don't you start promoting your worldview?

That's religious that separates that violates the separation of church and state folks

The founding fathers never believed that you could separate Church and state what they said was that the state was not to make any law regarding the establishment of religion

You know the sad thing is I'll bet I'll bet 90 % of the

American populace today does not know what an establishment of religion is I Bet 90 % the

American population today does not realize that the colonies many of them had established religions

That is there was a state religion This colony was this particular religion, that's what you had to be to be in this colony and what the

Constitution says is no The government does not establish Anglicanism over Presbyterianism or Lutheranism over Baptist That's what they were talking about in their historical context, but we don't care about historical context anymore

What the founding fathers meant back then is irrelevant What we want them to mean now, that's what really matters

I'd like to hear what you think about it. Five zero eight zero nine sixty one triple eight talk nine sixty or the numbers

Why don't you dial in now and we're gonna take a break and we come back We'll talk to you about what's going on our society a post -christian society and what can we as Christians do?

To live as salt and light in the society. We'll be right back. I'm back to the dividing line My name is

James white with you on this Saturday afternoon Talking about our post -christian society how backwards and upside down and absolutely downright illogical it is self contradictory self destructive and Yet, so very politically, correct

Well, we don't mind being politically incorrect around here and neither do some of our callers

For example, one of our more politically incorrect callers is Dennis and Phoenix. I think that's

I'm sorry Paragon of political

Wait a minute. That's weren't you the one a little while back that when we were talking about a certain a

Certain television network that airs here in Phoenix on a channel. I never mentioned between 20 and 22.

That's uh, I think the terminology that you use I'm just quoting you now. Okay, it was the trash and blasphemy network.

Okay Okay, I quoted you accurately there, right? Communist lesbian union

How many do you have a book there or do you just sit around all day writing these things I don't know. It just comes to me.

I actually heard you call into a program recently It was a it was a program that I think I think it was

Don Matz at show As I recall and and that was you wasn't it? Oh, did that one I sort of freaked out at the end.

It has something to do with with reformed theology as I recall There's nothing very Calvinistic anything.

Well, if you want to believe that God forces there Exactly. That was that was the one and then you sort of disappeared real quickly.

Well, does that happen to you a lot? I'm saying with my finger on the mute button

Dennis Anyways, that's not what we were talking about today. Anyways, so Have you heard

I've been out of town for two days. Have you heard anything more about this particular issue in the past couple of days?

Yes, the 14 -year -old girl went off to Kansas. Yeah I guess so that has does no one has been able to confirm for me that the abortion is actually taking place

It's just like it has fallen off the radar screen anyone at all hurting. I love it judges. Well, we don't like our laws

We'll ship you off somewhere else. We like their That is probably the thing that has bothered me the most and that is you know

I said to my my children before the last presidential election I said one of the things you need to realize is that you're the presidential election is not just for one man for four years that man appoints judges and If there's anything that the

Bible warns us about in regards to society, it is unrighteous judges,

I mean What when I listen to the reasoning and I listen to the worldviews that are now

Informing the decisions of our judges I go that there's there's the issue

There is the the chief the chief means of the infection of our society

Has come through that means the idea of original intent is novel.

Oh, isn't it? Oh, yeah How interesting how quaint the idea that we should actually ask the question

What did the Founding Fathers actually intend when they wrote this imagine if if if far less important contracts are true that way

Well, yeah, I know you meant by this You should get the money But we have the power and we're interpreting it that we should get the money.

In fact, we're gonna take your dog, too That's right. That's right. Oh, but don't ask anybody to be consistent in their application of such things.

That's I I Shake my head and I just do not do not understand it outside of recognizing it is a it is willful rebellion against truth and Those who love the lie love the lie in many other areas as well as long as it doesn't hurt them

I mean look at the rationality in regards to abortion. I was standing outside of abortion clinic. I don't worry I wasn't throwing bombs or anything

Just talk to a friend, you know Well, you know a woman could say something like well I just don't want to bring a child into the world or maybe in this circumstance or whatever

Like what is your uterus the Twilight Zone? Yeah, really not part of the world.

It's already there they have to deal with that reality, but obviously many people go, excuse me, but I just made a mistake and and I want to Utilize technology to basically in essence forgive my sin forgive my rebellion forgive my

My activities and I'm just going to use it for that and the vast majority The vast majority of abortions are performed just for that reason.

They're not they're not these wild strange cases even in rape and incest It's like oh, yeah

I mean if I found my dad was a rapist would it be cool to give me the chair? Yeah Seems to be what we think as long as long as something magical hasn't taken place and that magical transition from womb

To atmosphere hasn't taken place. Have you ever tried to get an abortionist who made that argument? Oh, that's not really a human being until you're born.

Have you ever tried to get an abortionist to explain? Logically and rationally the metaphysical reason that lies behind that.

Excuse me. What about going from a womb to an operating room

Transforms something from being non -human to human. Could someone explain that? Around I mean like you want a breech birth pull them out feet first They're two -thirds out baby, but that heads in there so I can suck his brains out.

That's what partial birth abortions all about I mean, well, why don't you flip a coin at least give the kid a two out of three chance, you know?

It does not make any sense and that's why every time this issue comes up You will never hear those who support it ever trying to defend it on a factual basis.

It is always emotions. It's always Talking about rights and things like that.

I just it just absolutely blows me away Someone just mentioned that Ronald Reagan said it seems to me that all these pro -choice folks have already been born

Well, that's quite true There's I've never met a person Who was pro -choice who hadn't somehow managed to survive?

The very period of time that they have turned into such a deadly deadly time in the development of children.

It is It is truly incredible, well, thanks for calling in today Dennis we appreciate it

Already. Thanks for calling in. God bless That opens up the phone line at five zero eight zero nine sixty five zero eight zero nine sixty one triple eight

Talk nine sixty is the phone number. We'd like to hear from you and your thoughts this This weekend when we supposedly take time to remember

Labor and labor Workers and so on and so forth not labor as in child labor, obviously

But labor is in working we find so many things to think about To distract us from the fact that we live in a society that has blood upon its hands and you know

Christian if You go to church Sunday morning, and we stand around and say

Oh God bless America Whatever you do don't go back to your Old Testament Well, most people don't anymore.

Anyways, but if you happen to go back to your Old Testament, you might discover That God does not take very seriously those who say bless us bless us bless us in the midst of their sin

God said to Israel over and over and over and over again

I don't want your sacrifices. I don't want your religious worship. Your hands are covered with blood

How do we pray for our nation? It's a tough question.

I Was raised to love the United States of America. I was raised to be patriotic and Yet as I look at our society,

I Look at the fact that there is right now we were talking about this in our prayer meeting on Wednesday night

There is great concern being expressed by many Christian leaders that there are laws being

Contemplated that there are laws being promoted with large amounts of money and great zeal by certain elements of our society to make sexual perversion not sexual orientation

Orientation is whether you know whether you're standing upright or whether you're falling down your face. That's orientation That's knowing north from south

We're talking here about sexual perversion Making sexual perversion a protected class in our society and Pushing it and this is what they want

They want to push it so that if a church exists and has employees that you cannot

Discriminate quote -unquote discriminate that is to take away your freedom To hire people to work in your church

Who are not completely and totally opposed to everything you believe and teach Now the society the media doesn't put it that way the media does not say

There is a move afoot to remove the freedom from American citizens

To choose who will work with them based upon what people believe in regards to sexual perversion

They won't say that what they will say is there is a Wonderful effort being made to again protect the rights of all

American citizens So that there be no discrimination bigotry or hatred but that we all love one another and that there be no differentiation in our opportunities of of employment and So that we all have freedom and can live together and hold hands and sing the

Pepsi song together It's enough to make you really really become very very upset

When you realize the way that even words are twisted and perverted to avoid recognizing what's really going on and that is they want to take freedoms away from American citizens and specifically and purposefully

Christian American citizens and the ultimate goal folks is real obvious.

Don't kid yourself Don't kid yourself The ultimate goal is to stop the worship and the gathering of Christian churches in open in our society

You'll already hear atheists saying that they think that our society be should be completely free from religious

Expression. I remember a number of years ago and this tells you how old

I've gotten It's back when I had as much hair as Rich Pierce still has which

I really don't appreciate Yeah, which is actually thinning some though, I hate to tell you that rich but just a little bit okay.

Well, I Let's just put this way. I didn't have any gray hair at that particular point in time.

Anyways, this was a long long time ago Some of you may remember a man by the name of Tom Likas That name probably hasn't been uttered on Arizona radio for a long time

But Tom Likas used to be on KFYI KFYI I think has tried to distance itself from the fact that Tom Likas used to be on KFYI, but he was and Tom Likas was an atheist.

I Was on I think my recollections correct 16 times With Tom Likas and frequently

I was on with atheists. Sometimes I was on with just Tom alone as an atheist and The most amazing encounter

I ever had on the air And in fact, I think I think rich we still make available the

Brian Lynch interview, don't we it's still available on Is it on our website? It's available on the website if you want to hear an amazing and I was young back then

Okay, and those of you who have have read all of Antilles writings No, I had not absorbed all of them quite yet at that particular point in time.

So please forgive me. I was still learning But I had an encounter with Brian Lynch of the

American Atheist Society American no American Atheist not American Atheist Society was Madeline Maria Harris group.

I Had heard Brian Lynch on earlier with another minister and I had been shocked at the hatred that this man just Seeped over the air.

I mean it was incredible So when they called me and asked me to be on I you know, I wore You know asbestos that day because I expected to be totally flamed

And what I didn't know when I showed up was that he was in town. I expected to be on the phone Well, it was fascinating when he walked into the studio.

The man could not have topped 100 pounds he was about 5 foot 2 and He honestly sat down and and just so like well very nice weather we have today

Very interesting studio here, isn't it? And it was it was amazing I'm sitting here looking at this guy like no way

This is not the guy heard on the air before as soon as that mic turned on Somebody else was sitting in that chair

With all of the hatred the anger the ridicule the the absolute Detestation for God and his people flowed out and then as soon as the microphone was turned off my it's very hot out there today

Do you always have weather like this? That other person came back it was the most incredible experience of multiple personality disorder

I'd ever seen it was an unbelievable During that program one of the things that was said was hey,

I Think that if you want to be religious, that's your right but not in this society

Go off and find yourself an island someplace and be as religious as you want to but not in the

United States of America not in front of me and Folks need to realize that's religion that's religion and They're winning because we aren't we don't have the guts to say that's a religious belief

Who are you to force your religious belief down my throat? This is a war

This is a clash between worldviews and since we don't recognize what other people's worldviews are then we don't point out

Hey, hold yourself the same standard, buddy Do you want to force your worldview down my children's throats and their answer is you better believe

I do and That's exactly what they want to do Five zero eight zero nine sixty one triple eight talk nine sixty or the numbers.

We're gonna take a brief break and be right back My daddy will be right back.

If you'd like to talk with him, you can call him now at five zero eight zero nine sixty

And welcome back to the dividing line, my name is James white we're talking about our post -christian society

The society that we live in Has lost its moorings lost its foundation denied its foundation is busily involved in rewriting its history so as to you know

Sort of like you're walking along a sandy beach and you don't want anyone to know you were there So as you're walking along you're walking backwards and you're using a branch to wipe out your footprints as you walk along seems that the

Social engineers of our time don't want anyone to know for example how religious

Many of the founding fathers were they don't want anyone to know that shortly after The founding of the

Congress within a couple of years the founding of the Congress the very same men who wrote up the

Constitution and who pushed for its ratification Voted to expend what we would call today federal funds for the publication of Bibles for distribution

I Guess there's a lot of people today who feel all those people Hypocrites they were

Let's expunge their memory from the public conscience Not recognizing the hypocrisy

It's calling yourself an American patriot when you detest what America used to and was what used to stand for and what it was initially founded upon Shouldn't surprise us

Shouldn't surprise us you know I I look at the political leaders that are out there And I don't look to them for anything anymore,

I'll be perfectly honest with you Even those who are conservative even those who would who would be against abortion against this move to have homosexual marriages ratified that type of thing

Folks it's one thing to be politically against these things but you've got to have a foundation as To why you are against these things we've got to have a foundation and Anymore who's willing to stand up and say the reason that this is wrong is because of this

It's because of God's laws because of this for most people. They said hey that is the absolutely Certain way to make sure that you'll never be elected

You've got to give in And it is quite true a question was just given to me off -air

I Think this whole movement part and parcel of what is desired is to take away our freedom to do what we're doing today

To take away your freedom to listen to this kind of discussion take away my freedom to give this kind of discussion the idea of Christian apologetics of saying this is right, and this is wrong defending the

Christian faith Already many people call that hate speech. I remember about Nine months ten months or so ago someone contacted us and and Had indicated and we checked into it and did not find that it panned out

But the idea was that there are all these internet filters out there now. You can download a filter from all over the place and there are all sorts of organizations that will put out filter lists and They'll place certain websites on filter lists based upon there being hate speech type places

Well someone to contact us has said that They their experience was that we had been placed our website had been placed on a hate speech list

Because we respond to the claims of Mormonism or Jehovah's Witnesses or Roman Catholicism, whatever it might be

That doesn't surprise me Because hate speech is now defined as any type of speech based upon objective truth

If you say someone is actually objectively wrong about something You're being hateful.

You're being unkind the very idea of what it means to be kind and sadly

Within the church the very idea of what is meant to be loving Has been determined by our society to involve as a necessary characteristic the denial of absolute truth

You are unloving unkind if you believe that there is a truth that is binding upon all other people and So could we see a time in our society when this type of freedom that we are exercising right now that you are?

exercising by having your radio on that you're exercising by listening over the internet and I'm exercising by addressing these issues and saying

Abortion is murder Homosexuality is wrong. These are things that are against God's law.

Are we gonna lose that freedom? If the nation keeps going the way that's going we will if the nation continues to Self -destruct in this idiotic mass of illogic and contradiction we will

What do we need to pray for we need to pray for repentance both within and outside the church

Christians need to start with themselves They just start with themselves and repent of thinking in a worldly fashion

We need to pray God show me anything in my thinking That comes from the world and not from your word

We need to consider how ready we are to expose ourselves to the way the world thinks rather than the way the word would teach us to think

How much time do we spend being conformed old rather than being conformed the image of Christ?

That's where we have to start we can't simply point the fingers without saying, you know We ourselves

What about us? What about our mindset? What about our thinking? Are we promoting a Christian worldview?

Are we even living a Christian worldview when when we think when we examine the world around us?

Do we do so in a Christian way? With Christian presuppositions, do we start with God as creator or ourselves?

Do we put ourselves in the in the center place? Or do we recognize that we are creations of God that he has made us and formed us for his own purpose?

That's where we need to start. We need to repent. We need to pray that God will change our hearts our thinking our minds and then we need to pray for our nation, and I don't think it's the

The prayer Oh Lord bless our nation give us a good economy give us peace

We all love those things because we all enjoy them let's face it There are very very few

Christians within the sound of my voice that would not on a worldwide basis be considered almost royalty As far as the money we have the clothes we have the cars we have the jewelry we have the food that we can eat

That impacts things that impacts the way we think and when we ask God bless our nation do we mean that God if judgment is

The only way to bring repentance then bring it Is that what we think is that what we pray?

Is that we need to pray? So it depends on how much we really love our nation doesn't it? Folks as you listen this week, and I'm not saying that we should become ignorant to what's going on in our society

I'm not promoting the idea that you should not listen to the news that you shouldn't read the newspaper But when you do so do it with the mind of Christ do it with a

Christian worldview Rip the mask off of the hypocrites who say

I'm neutral and you're not no they are not neutral There is no such thing as neutrality

You are either subject to God's truth subject to Christ or you're in rebellion, it's one of the two there is no neutrality

And so when you hear these people recognize the inconsistency recognize the hypocrisy and Tear the mask off Make sure that your children and the people you love recognize the warfare that's going on Between these worldviews teach them these things

Communicate to them these things and most importantly in your own thinking keep these things right up front

So when you can hear it, you can say Oh God Bring repentance in this situation bring your truth to bear and Lord.

Give me the opportunity of speaking your truth Thanks for being with us today. We'll be back again next week this time here on the dividing line

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