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Hey, and welcome to tearing down high places. I'm your only host right now.

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Average Joe. And right now we're just setting up so that people can log in and we're going to have the rest of the crew here by eight 30.

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So I'm going to play a couple, a couple little clips just to entertain y 'all while we're getting ready for the big debate tonight between the two potential

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VP candidates. So I'm going to play a couple of things that I think nobody's going to talk about.

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One of the things is the equality act, which, uh, if you've watched our podcasts of late, uh, we've mentioned them multiple times.

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The equality act is, uh, something that passed in 2021 past the house of representatives, and it would literally, literally outlaw

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Christian orthodoxy. Now I'm not talking about the Greek Catholic, uh,

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Greek church. When I say Christian orthodoxy for all you average Joe's out there.

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Let me tell you what, uh, what I mean. So it means that you can't practice what you preach.

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Literally if, uh, that act was signed into law and, uh, Joe Biden would have signed it and if they had the

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Senate, um, in place, uh, if the Democrats held the Senate, then it would have been signed.

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So, so we'll play a couple of clips about, uh, about that as we wait till eight 30 for the rest of the gang to get on.

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If, uh, if you're logging in and, um, you want to go ahead and introduce yourself in the chat room, that would be great.

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And if you can't see, um, if you can't see your, uh, credentials in the chat room, then that means you probably got to go to, uh, sign in at stream yard and I'll put that, uh, up there.

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So it'll, it'll do that. Um, so live, your comments show up on stream yard.

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This is an example, click on a comp to show on a screen. Okay. Um, something else.

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So anyway, we're going to get started at eight 30. Uh, but yeah, log in and chat around.

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I've still got to get, I got a little error on the Twitter feed as I had last night, uh, when we did our little 10 minute practice, so, but, uh, yeah.

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Introduce yourself in the chat, please. I'm, I'm, I'm looking forward to, um, people interacting there and I'm going to put, uh, on this, a couple of short clips, uh, regarding the equality act and what some, uh, people were saying about it back in 2021, even though they're not talking about it.

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It is a big, big deal. Hey, Antoinette. Good to see ya. Glad to, glad to have you here.

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That's a interesting is that bell mountain in, uh, Sedona, Arizona by chance.

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So it looks like to me. Um, do, do, do, do. Yes. I think it's going to be great.

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I think we're gonna have a lot of good interactions. I think a lot of people are going to, um, benefit from just getting a chat about this.

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I cannot hear you. Uh, but I can see your texts. Right. So we can see those.

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And so that's what we're going to, that's what we're going to be interacting on, uh, when the pastors come on, uh, by eight 30 and, uh, we've got an elder to guess which elder, one of the elders is coming on too.

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So we're going to have, uh, some interesting conversation right now. I got to go fix something on Twitter if I can fix it.

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And then, um, so that that stream works. And so I'm going to play this video.

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It's just a few minutes, a few minutes long, have a listen here to Jim Jordan.

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Bill that just passed, uh, recently, uh, the Equality Act, of course. And you, you've been basically saying it doesn't actually promote that.

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No, it, it, it, it would actually undermine your most fundamental liberty. The, the liberty that the founders, the first liberty they chose to mention in the very first amendment in the

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Bill of Rights, which is your right to religious freedom, your right to practice your faith the way you think the good

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Lord wants you to, um, it goes directly at that fundamental right, not to mention the undermining of the spirit of Title IX, which we all know has helped so many, uh, uh, women in, in, in, in athletics, um, during the debate on, in, in the rules committee and on the

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House floor, um, Democrats said, well, there's nothing in this bill will, will harm women's right to participate in sports.

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And I said, well, that's true. It may not harm their right to participate, may not hurt their right to participate in sports, but it's sure going to make it harder for them to win.

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And that's sort of the spirit of Title IX, you know, be able to set your goals and work hard and actually, you know, accomplish your dream.

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So, um, uh, very, very dangerous piece of legislation. And, uh, I'm hopeful that it's not going to pass the

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Senate. Well, and so the Title IX stuff is talked about a bit more, but how, how is this an assault on religious freedom exactly?

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Specifically says in the legislation, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act passed back in the nineties, which was, which basically was, was, uh, statutorily, uh, stating what your

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First Amendment liberties are, defending your right to practice your faith. And that's, there's some compelling government reason to, to, to undermine that.

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And I always say like, look, there, there are a handful of key rights mentioned in the First Amendment. Uh, we're freedom of the press, uh, freedom to petition the government, freedom to assemble, freedom to speak and to speak in a political nature.

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And then of course, the first right mentioned is your right to practice your religion, to practice your faith.

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And Congress shall make no law, uh, hurting that fundamental right. And that was, was buttressed and emphasized with the

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Religious Freedom Restoration Act and this Equality Act that passed the house just this past week specifically says on page 25 of the legislation, you cannot use that as a defense against what the bill is trying to do.

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And that's a problem. That's a big problem. So what'd you guys think of that?

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Jim Jordan talking a little bit about the Equality Act. It's something I don't think either candidates going to speak about tonight.

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Uh, it's, you know, this is this, that would have been probably a great, um, a great, uh, primary conversation.

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If, uh, there was some, if we had more than one candidate running, um, on either side, really.

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Uh, it would have been a great, uh, conversation if, uh, RFK was involved in that, but, uh,

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I think tonight too, we're probably going to have, and I want to hear, I want to hear your comments here, um, you know, while we're waiting for the pastors to come on.

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Um, we're probably going to have a lot of talk about Israel tonight.

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So what do you guys think? What do you think about Israel? What questions, uh, you know, start loading up your questions in the chat and I'll make sure that the pastors, uh, chat about those things.

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Right. So if you've got anything now, by the way, Twitter will not be streaming tonight. Uh, we do have

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Facebook and YouTube streaming. So you, if, uh, if you told any of your friends,

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I don't know why it is, but some of my friends are like, I don't do Facebook, I don't do YouTube. I do

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Twitter. Okay. So we try to get Twitter on tonight. We're going to get Twitter next time. Uh, because, uh,

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Twitter is the place to be. It seems like, but, uh, right now the account's not at the correct level.

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Um, so, you know, that's what it is. So, uh, Hey, uh, Antoinette, what do you think about the equality act?

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I think, uh, you're the, you're the lone typer in here. I think we've got some other people logged on, but love to hear, uh, what you're thinking about that.

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Listen, we're going to play, I'm going to play another clip about this equality act. All right, here we go.

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This is chip Roy. This body being led by Democrats is trampling on the rights of the

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American people in the name of equality, in the false name of equality. The declaration is clear.

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All men are created equal endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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But God government is instituted among men to what secure those rights.

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Look around. This is about power, ladies and gentlemen, and you in the media should be as concerned about this as anyone else.

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It is your job to hold government accountable and get information to the public to know what's really going on.

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And look around, look at the fences, look at the razor wire. This isn't a free society.

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This is a government using its power to tell us to bow down to the will of a cultural elite in this town who want to tell us what we're supposed to believe.

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We're not going to do that. Let me be clear. We are not going to do that.

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My wife and I work very hard products of the public school system, K through law school, both of us to scrape and save, to pay our kids, to go to a private

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Christian school. Why? Because we're being pushed into the corner so that we can carry out our beliefs without penalty ostracization that this body now wants to do.

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The speaker Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and the Democrat leaders want to do. We're not going to be painted in the corner because this is about tyranny over the mind of men.

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Famous quote by Thomas Jefferson. That is what this is about. We're going to oppose this bill.

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We're going to fight this bill in the Senate, but to be perfectly clear, if you pass this legislation, it is not with the consent of the governed.

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That is what the declaration of independence talks about is the consent of the governed, and if you don't have it, then the law has no force because it has to come from the consent of the governed and they are trampling it and they are ripping apart this country by its threads.

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Our federalist system allows us to agree to disagree and we should be able to do that, but if this democratic

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Congress and if the democratic leadership and if this white house continues to trample the rights of the people of the United States, then it is they who will be destroying this union.

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It is they who will have to look in the mirror and say that they ripped this Republican park for their kids and grandkids.

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I'm proud to stand with this group. We'll oppose this legislation, but we're going to keep fighting it in the courts and beyond, but most importantly, through free will as American citizens and our right to live free and to alter this government as necessary if they continue to trample our rights.

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You know, that is what they want to do and we've got to be vigilant.

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We've got to be all over these guys because they really do want to take away some, well,

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I mean, they've taken away so many rights already. Am I wrong? So let's see some comments in the chat room.

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Please introduce yourself. And, uh, if anyone's trying to get on Twitter, uh, that's not going to work.

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X it's called X. I still prefer Twitter. I don't like saying X for some reason. It's kind of weird. Um, but it's a free place.

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It's a great place. And we're going to start streaming on X. Uh, but unfortunately didn't get the account upgraded in time for tonight.

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They're still validating our identity or something like that. So let's see, let's see what, uh, what we got here, man, man,

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X woman, X. I know who you are X Y under democratic leadership.

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They do not want free speech. They want to eliminate the first amendment. Yeah, boy, more than that.

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Uh, is, is anyone aware of what they did at the United nations last week kind of went quiet?

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You know, we've got all kinds of crazy noise out there. Distractions. Um, you know, how about Iran?

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Uh, are they, are they, are they trying to help someone out with some distractions today? I don't know.

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I don't know. What do you guys think? So this is what this chat room's about tonight. We want to, we want to engage in some conversations.

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So if you guys are logged in and you want to post some questions that you're going to have for the pastors, uh, get them up there first come first serve, you know, first in first out, um, love to hear, uh, get a list going here.

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So I can make sure that, uh, those questions get in front of our pastors tonight, and, uh, we're going to have a lot of fun with this.

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So just so you know, too, when the actual debate is on, we are not going to stream it through this channel that will shut us down automatically.

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We think not sure. I did actually reach out to the blaze, but I did it too late.

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Um, to see if it would let us stream without, uh, you know, throwing a stones at us.

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Um, so we'll say, uh, maybe next time they'll, they'll, they'll do that. I told him, I said,

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Hey, you know, it's the worst that could happen. We're going to promote your show. And you see the little B on there. Uh, if you see on the chip

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Roy video, I took that off the blazing and we have no, there's no legal problem taking a clip here or there that we comment on.

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As long as we comment on it, we just can't reproduce it. However, not sure about a live presentation.

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Um, you know, so I don't know if we've got, I think we got a couple of lawyers in the, in the church.

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I have to ask one of them. Um, I did actually have a lawyer who was going to come out.

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Um, how about this? What do you guys think about JD Vance? Do you like him? Do you not like him?

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I've heard a lot of people love him. I think he's the best thing ever. Some people, not so much.

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I've heard rumors that he was, um, I don't want to start a rumor. I better not say,

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I better not say anything like that. Uh, but yeah, so back to that, uh, quality act, uh, that's a big one tonight, uh, at some point

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I'm going to talk about, I'm going to show the freedom index. Uh, is anybody familiar with the freedom index?

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Oh, Joe S where can we see the debate? If not on YouTube.

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Okay. So now I know Joe knows the freedom index.

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He's a buddy of mine from the John Birch society. So anyway, that's where the freedom index is. It measures how, uh, how, how people vote in line or out of step with the constitution.

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It's a really cool tool. Um, so where can you see the debate if not on YouTube? Well, I'm personally going to watch it on the blaze on, uh, but CBS is, is broadcasting it for sure.

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And, uh, I can do a little search here. Where is the best place to watch the debates tonight?

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Anybody else got it? Uh, all right. Antoinette's going to watch it on real

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America's voice. Ooh, Antoinette, I just outed your secret identity there. What's your connection to bell mountain and Sedona, by the way?

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Oh, this is Joe Sager from church. Sorry, Joe. Didn't know. Now we do got to put your little face on there.

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Uh, let's see. Uh, uh, uh, uh, best place to watch do do do

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NBC. Chicago's going to offer a live stream. Um, CBS is going to have live streamed.

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Um, I guess CBS news. It's going to be their people that are asking the questions.

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What do you guys think about that? Why in the world? Why in the world does the Republican party, what, why do they even let these media channels ask questions?

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I'd like to get, I'd say, I think the best thing to do, and this is somebody told me that this would violate some rule, but certainly wouldn't violate the constitution.

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Uh, I'd like to see Clarence Thomas and any of the liberal judges, maybe soda, my order would be a good one, you know, and then just the two of them up there and they can both ask questions.

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I think there would be great questions. So, Hey guys, got it. Got, uh, got, got

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Miss Gatson coming in. Hey Joe, that's it in the house. My hair is kind of messy, so I apologize for that.

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Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. You can go back to the green room. You want to go back? There's no green room here.

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Yeah, no, no. Well, your green rooms. When I click the button, it removes your face. That's right.

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You're not ready to come on. That's fine. I'm just chatting with some folks in the chat. So I have a question for you.

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Can, can people chat on YouTube as well? Yeah. So if they chat in YouTube, it's going to show up in our stream, right?

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So, so you or the other pastors can, uh, go ahead and interact with them.

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Uh, if you guys are talking, uh, just for the audience sake, I'm going to try and, you know, if someone's got a question, it doesn't get addressed by you guys.

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Uh, I'm going to try and grab it and, uh, get people to, uh, look at it.

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But I S I assume that while we're, you know, we're not going to stream, I was just explaining this, we're not going to stream the actual show because we'll probably get shut down.

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Um, you know, it's, it's one thing to take acceptable use clips after a live event, but during a live event,

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I think we probably, uh, would break some, break some laws. So I actually did ask one of the channels.

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I asked the blaze if they would, uh, allow us to do that, but I asked them too late, so I didn't get any feedback. Okay. Yeah.

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They didn't get the, uh, yeah. Well, I haven't gotten any feedback from it all anyway, but I got a whole bunch of, man, did you see our clips that we did, uh, with David Benham last week?

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I saw a couple of them. Did you see the one where he was talking about the marriage, the marriage daggum supper of the lamb?

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No, he didn't. You didn't see that one. It was really great. And I just, I started shooting that out to a bunch of famous people saying you got to be on our podcast.

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Any, any bites? No, not yet. Yeah. This has got to be one of the best podcasts on, uh, on social, uh, out there.

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So I think this is going to be fun. Okay. Yeah. Now, Seth, let me introduce you to Antoinette Antoinette was the bold woman at the library.

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She was, she was the one in the, in the, in the, um, yeah.

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And the link for that, for that. So she, let's just say in side note, just finished numbers and the name, Elon, the

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Zebulite. Did I spell her name? Right. In judges.

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I forgot the T so it'd be Ant Antoinette. Yeah. What do you, what do you mean?

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What are you doing? I got herself named man X, Y right here. Okay. Did I spell

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Antoinette right though? I don't know where you tell you, look at the chat, uh, until you hit enter,

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I won't see your chat. Oh, okay. So I, I'm chatting. Oh, that's the private chat.

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Is that okay. I need to go somewhere else then. Yeah. Private chat is, uh, yeah, you want the comments go in the comments, go on the comment section.

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Okay. Okay. Private chat is if you want to chat to me and it's not public. Okay. Where you want to chat with Jeff or.

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Okay. So we got some, we got Joe and we got Antoinette. Mm. Ooh.

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Yeah. Yeah. Real America's voice. Yes. That's what we are. I agree with that. I didn't know. So anyway,

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I did not know Antoinette that Elon was a biblical name. I didn't know that either. Oh really?

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Yeah. How about that? He lied. Oh man. Oh man. And then we can,

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I don't know. Uh, if you, if you go to the comments, does it give you the ability to highlight on a comment? Can you click on one there,

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Seth? I can join the chat. Yep. Let's see. Connect your YouTube account. Yeah. Okay. Oh yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we should've, we should've done that. Do you, do you guys, I guess you guys have a streaming account. We could probably have streamed to your

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YouTube page as well at the same time, simultaneously. Okay.

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Yeah. Should've done that. I don't think we can do it right now. Yeah. Okay. So it says manager

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YouTube. And I think we're good. Yeah.

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It's it. I'm having to answer some questions here. Okay. But I'm in there. You're in, you're in, you're in.

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So, all right. Let me, let me see it. Let me try it out here. What do you mean answer that?

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Who's going to subscribe to what? Not sure what you mean. Hey, Seth, there he is.

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There he is. Yeah. So, so here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to, I'm probably going to watch on my phone here.

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The debate. Um, is that what you're doing? No, I, I got a second screen. I'm going to watch it on there.

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Okay. And, uh, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm going to pull it up on, uh, and then wait, and then we'll all be chatting at that time.

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Cause I'll just mute, I'll mute, I'll mute this. And, uh, you know, unless you guys want to, yeah, talk through it.

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It's up to you. I think muting it's probably, probably the best way. Yeah. We can, we can make comments throughout.

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Yeah. We can maybe write in the chat. Let's make a comment, but we'll do most of our talking before and after.

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Uh, I suppose Tim McCormick's in the house. Thanks for saying hi,

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Tim. Everybody else, please say hi. We want to know who's here so we can interact.

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We're excited about this. Uh, I think it's, um, it's just a great opportunity to, to fellowship, you know?

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Yes. Cause we don't, we wouldn't all fit in my living room. I'll tell you that I can't afford to fly

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Seth in. Yep. That's right. Yeah. No, although we might fly Seth in, in may, if we have, if we have the blood red, uh,

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Oh, yes. Yep. That's been rumored. Um, and it sounds like, and yeah,

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Jeff and I, Jeff and I actually texted about that today. So cool. Yeah. You're going to tell us something secretive or something.

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I don't, I don't think anything's official yet, but yeah.

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Yeah. Well, so, uh, Ivan's supposed to come on and he's, he's the one, it was his idea to have the blood red, the blood red summit.

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So, Hey, if anybody's joining us, doesn't, hasn't heard about the blood red summit, the blood red summit is, uh, you know, we want to have a bunch of folks, but the pastors, well, we have lay people too, but we want to have pastors that come from all over South Jersey to see which one is the bloodiest, reddest church there is and give them an award.

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Yeah. So, so these people in the chat, how many of them go to your church? I have no idea.

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Not a lot of them. If, uh, do you know Tim there's the red church pastor nominee.

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Okay. So I'm going to write in here, please say where you're from.

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There you go. I'm going to say, yeah, Tim McCormick.

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He's, uh, he's big, tall, tall guy runs a small group, a small group.

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Okay. He is a guy saw him last night.

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Okay. Yeah. There's people, uh, there's people in my, quite a few people

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I know are actually joining, so we'll get a lot of people from New Jersey and Wisconsin and Florida and Minnesota.

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Yeah. So what do you think the big three states are? It's, I think it's, it's, uh, it's

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Wisconsin. It's Pennsylvania and Georgia, right? Is Georgia the next hot one?

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Yeah. Trump needs to win. He needs to win Georgia. He needs to win North Carolina. He needs to win

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Arizona. Hi Rebecca. And if he wins those three, then all he needs to do is win one of Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania.

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Hmm. Uh, yeah, I mean, it's, uh, I think he lost, I think

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Trump supposedly lost by 70 ,000 votes last time.

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And in Pennsylvania, in Pennsylvania, yeah. Yeah. He supposedly lost by less.

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I think it was less than 20 ,000 in Wisconsin, 70 ,000 is pretty as a percentage is not, not significant.

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I don't think, well, the problem we have in Wisconsin is there's a County called Dane County. Have you ever heard of that?

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No. It's that's where Madison is. Ah, and it's, it's one of the bluest counties in the entire country.

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Well, it's cause it's all that money getting spent at the state. Yeah, that's what, that's where the, that's where the university of Wisconsin is, that's where the capital is too.

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Yep. Uh, and they, in 2020, uh, they voted 89 % for Joe Biden.

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Oh, 80. And again, Trump only lost the state by 20 ,000. I think, I think it was like 12 ,000 votes or something like that.

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It was very, a very small margin. Sounds like a good place to plan a church. Yeah. Well, yeah, a red church.

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Yeah. They probably got plenty of blue ones. I know. I know some very conservative people who live in that, in that area.

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So they're, they're, they are there, but they're missionaries. Come on. Yeah. They're missionaries.

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So, uh, have you guys, are you guys looking for, uh, uh, churches that are flying rainbow flags to see if the attendance goes down low enough so you can go buy the building?

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Oh, that's a great, that's a, that's a great question. We have, we have some of those. I was, I was actually invited to go to a, an event in a couple of weeks at, at one of these churches.

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And, uh, the whole goal is to try to, to fan the flames of the divide in our country.

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But it's a very, it's a liberal church that's doing this. So I'm kind of curious what they're going to say.

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Yeah. So, uh, so I got a couple of things I could pull up that are kind of interesting.

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Have you ever heard of the freedom index? No, no,

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I'm going to, I'm going to show you the, I'm going to show you the freedom index. Okay.

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Yeah, let's do it. Uh, window.

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Here we go. Freedom index, freedom index.

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Okay. You can find out J .D. Vance's positions. Yeah. So, uh, no, this is his percentage, his voting percentage against the constitution.

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Uh, this is put out by the John Birch society and they're very, they're, they're, they're like the

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Stallworth, um, group of people defending the constitution that we really just don't follow anymore.

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And, uh, so you can go down and you can see how we voted on stuff. Um, pretty good, pretty good stuff.

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That's pretty good. I mean, 86%. That's about as, that's about as good as we can hope for in 2024.

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Yeah. Now there's, there's a spending bill. He, he, he voted wrong on, but you know, uh, he, he might have to dig into the weeds on that.

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You know, 86 is a pretty good, pretty good boat here. Here's a map.

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Where do you want to go? You want to go to your state or Jersey? Uh, we'll go to both. Let's let me show you

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Jersey first. Cause I know where to, I know what to show you here. So here's, here's some of our, here's what we get in Jersey.

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Reginald Atkins. He got an eight. Oh boy, this is 8%. Right. So, so JD Vance was at a 85 or 80.

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No, he was an 88%. Yeah. This guy's at eight. So Robert off is good. Robert off.

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Yeah. 88. Good job for him. Good job, Robert, man. We like that. Christian 64, 61.

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Not so impressed. Do they have the U S people or just the state? Oh no, we can do it all. Yeah. Yeah.

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We can look at all this. I want to see what we're Ron Johnson is. So, so this, uh, this

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Friday I'm speaking at an event where Ron Johnson is speaking as well. Oh yeah.

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Yeah. You know, Ron Johnson, right? Uh, U S Senator, Wisconsin. No, I don't.

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Okay. You should know him. He's actually, I think he's, I think he's pretty good, but we're going to find out how good, we're going to find out how good he is here.

30:41

So yeah. All right. So let's see. Did it then is he, he's a

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Senator. He's a, he's the, he's a U S Senator. So I get to Wisconsin state.

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You want to go U S let's go back. Yeah. Congressional scorecard select

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Congress or congressional scorecard

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Senate. Now it's just the whole Congress. Yeah. It's okay.

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State legislators. What the heck is it? Yeah. Uh, so, so Antoinette wants you to send that as a link.

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Oh, she does. Yeah. Oh yeah. Here it is. Antoinette. I will post it in the chat.

31:46

There we go. Freedom index. Yeah. Yeah. I'm big fan of the

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JBS. Um, they educate people on the constitution and we don't follow it.

31:58

We just don't follow it. Just so amazing. I was playing some videos before you came on, um, about the equality act, uh, played one by chip

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Roy and, uh, one from Jim Johnson and, um, back in 2021 when it passed, they were talking to Jim Jordan.

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Yeah. Jim Jordan. Yeah. My bad. Yeah. I wish he was the speaker of the house. Yeah. I think that would have been great.

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He has a backbone. Here you go. Here's the, here's the congressional folks, not the senators.

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Okay. The U S who's your guy? Who do you want to look for? Oh, there's Tammy Baldwin. So Ron Johnson probably will cause

32:41

Tammy Baldwin. Yeah. She is a, she, she's one of our senators and she's like, she's up for election.

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Did you vote for her? Ooh, no, no. But if you go further down, yeah, you might see who else we got.

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He might show up here. Oh man. So many scores. This is against the

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U S constitution. How do you vote? 21 % against it. Hey Lauren Bovert, man.

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94. Good job, Lauren. She walks the walk. She doesn't just talk to talk. Here's our boy.

33:13

Cory Booker. 13 guy. Nice guy. I went down to DC. I tried to get a, get in his office.

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I couldn't get a single person to talk to me. Oh, really? Yeah. His, his peer did his peer talk to me, but that was cause he was under indictment and he needed an issue.

33:28

So yeah, Menendez, you ever heard of Menendez? He's just finally got busted.

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He's been under investigation for a decade. Yeah. Really horrible. Okay. So really horrible.

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If you keep going down, let's see. Yeah, it should. So this is the national level.

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Yeah. This is the U S house of representatives. Okay. Can you, can you go to the Senate? Oh man.

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Just asking for a lot, aren't you? I know. Yeah, I guess we can.

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Why not? Let's go back here. Let's go to legislatures.

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Nope. Freedom index. And we can search by name. Do you got someone by name you want to call up?

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No, Ron Johnson, Ron Johnson. Let's see what you got. Let's just go with Johnson.

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We'll get a few. There he is. There he is. Look at him. He's only a 70.

34:26

Yeah. Okay. Is that what you expected? Yeah, he, he's been really good at, um, at, you know,

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I mean, going after big tech and stuff like that, um, COVID -19, he was really good, um, his office actually with the

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Trump assassination attempt, they did a, uh, they did their own independent investigation because they don't trust the

34:56

FBI. Yeah. So, so yeah, I mean, there's, I think he's, he's someone who wants the truth, you know, in things.

35:04

Hey, anybody in the chat want to, you know, shout out a name and have us look them up. We can, we can look up Benendez.

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This is the guy I met with. Actually. I didn't meet with him directly. So yeah,

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I got an hour and a half with his lead attorney, which was good.

35:27

First time, if you, if, if you're a lobbyist, if you go down the lobby down there, the first time is usually just, you gotta, you gotta go through it.

35:34

They say you need to go three or four times before you get a meeting with anyone significant. So, so you scheduled a meeting?

35:40

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Went down there for a parents rights March back in 2018,

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I think it was. Okay. Yeah. And, uh, yeah. So we were talking to him about, uh, making changes in the family court.

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That was our, our goal. Okay. And Menendez knowing he was indicted was like, okay, talk to us.

36:04

What do you got? Yeah. Okay. Cory Booker said, see you later, buddy.

36:11

So what do you think about, uh, what do you think is going to be on the topic tonight, people in the chat, somebody say what you're thinking, uh, the big.

36:21

Oh, that would be good. Who what's going to be the big discussion tonight?

36:26

What's the thing dance and wells are gonna really lock horns over Seth.

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What do you think? Um, that's a good question. I, I don't know.

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Um, I really have no clue what walls could possibly, he doesn't, his record is so bad.

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It's indefensible. So it's going to be, it's going to be interesting to see how he tries to maneuver around everything.

36:54

Um, it's, it's a piece of cake for Vance to go after him. Well, it might be a piece of cake, but I mean, it's, it's difficult to get these guys to admit things.

37:05

I mean, they all know they have to run to the center. So, you know, as leftist as walls is

37:11

JD Vance. Here's what I think JD Vance should try to get them to talk about.

37:16

He should try to get them to talk about burning down his own city. Yes. Right. He should try to get him to talk about, uh, you know, putting, putting, uh, feminine hygiene products in schools.

37:29

Yeah. But I mean, it's going to be hard to get them to talk about that. Yeah. Yeah. But it would be great if you can actually get these guys to defend their leftist positions, which they never do, especially not at this point.

37:43

Yeah. How about, how about I go through? Okay. So I made a list of, uh, and Timothy McCormick is saying here,

37:50

I made a list of Tim Walz's accomplishments, or, I mean, I mean, failure failures is, is there, is there a better way to say it?

37:59

Oh, okay. So you want to share your screen? Should I go through this list here? Yeah. Can you share your screen?

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I can. I wrote it all down. Oh, you wrote it down. It's fine. Okay. I'll just list it off here. Okay. So, so, so just for, so anybody watching here.

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Or anybody watching later, you can know who Tim Walz is. Um, he's a former social studies teacher.

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In fact, uh, a lady at my former church where I was an associate pastor, she actually had him as a social studies teacher, uh, down, down in Mankato, Minnesota, down in Southern Minnesota.

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And, uh, in 1999, he sponsored a gay club in his school.

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Um, Tim Walz and the democratic legislature of Minnesota passed a bill that bans

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Minnesota teachers, uh, Minnesota Christian teachers from getting a teaching license.

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Now, is he one of these guys that's going to say he's Christian, but he's running the rainbow flag over top of his church? Well, he's a blue church guy.

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He's, you know, he's very much a far left. Um, guy. So that's the church he's in.

39:02

Yeah. Oh, I think I remember, I think I remember looking this up. I think it's ELC isn't it's ELCA, I think, which is evangelical

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Lutheran, Lutheran church of America. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so anyway, literally, um, if, if teachers in public schools don't affirm transgender policies in the state of Minnesota, they will be unable and actually are unable already to get a teacher's license, uh, when he was in the national guard and Tim mentioned this in the comment section, um, his, the time he was supposed to spend there, he cut it two years short because his unit was deployed to Iraq.

39:42

Wow. Um, so he, so the people who were alongside him in the Minnesota national guard said that, um, it was betrayal and a cowardly act on his part.

39:55

Uh, and then when he ran for Congress in Southern Minnesota, Jeff's here.

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Hey Jeff. Hey guys. Yeah. We're talking about Tim Walz's record here.

40:07

Yeah. Yeah. So when, when he ran, um, for Congress in Southern Minnesota, I'm going to move.

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Actually, I got to go this way a little bit here. And when he ran for Congress in Southern Minnesota, he ran as a second amendment gun owner.

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Uh, and so he ended up winning that election several times. And then, uh, when he ran for governor, he ran, he tried to run more as a center, but he, but when he, once he became governor, um, he ran, you know, he, he governed far from a far left, uh, position.

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So in other words, he's, he's your classic politician in the most negative sense of the word. He just goes, he goes wherever the wind blows.

40:48

Uh, he says here, he's a Lutheran and 20 % of Minnesotans are also Lutherans, but I'm going to guess there's different kinds of Lutherans out there,

40:57

Seth. What, what do you got? Well, you have Tim Walz at he's probably an, uh,

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ELCA Lutheran where they're very evangelical Lutheran church in America.

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Yep. Gay pastors and, uh, you know, very, you know, female pastors.

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I mean, that's, that's even minor for that movement. Um, and then you have the Missouri Senate, which is very conservative

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Wisconsin Senate, which is very conservative. Uh, yeah, there's the evangelical, um, there's the evangelical free

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Lutheran, um, of course is the very liberal. Then there's another one that's more conservative. I can't,

41:35

I can't remember the name right now, but yeah. So anyway, here's, here's an interesting thing. I, and I wonder if Tim Walz is going to bring this up tonight.

41:43

So during his first term as governor, he was for raising taxes. And at that time, the

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Republicans had the Senate in the state, in the state, um, government, and, uh, the, the

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Republicans were for lowering taxes and they actually won that battle and they ended up lowering taxes during Tim Walz's first term, but he was for raising taxes.

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But guess what? On the campaign trail right now, he is touting his lowering taxes as Minnesota governor, even though he was against it and, and, uh, only had to sign it against his will.

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So yeah. So are you surprised that he's taking credit for something somebody else did? Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, and then the worst thing he did, um,

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I think was, uh, during COVID -19. Of course he, he was for severe lockdowns in Minnesota, Wisconsin was free by the way, uh, because our

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Supreme court overruled, uh, governor Evers, who's a democratic governor. Hey, you know what?

42:45

Let's be fair though. If you're going to burn your city down, it's good to lock people up. So you don't burn people by accident, right?

42:52

Yeah. That's right. I mean, that makes sense, right? That makes good sense. But anyway, so Tim Walz, he actually was found at a restaurant.

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In Wisconsin, even though he closed down the restaurants in Minnesota. So it gives you kind of an idea of who he is.

43:10

Um, and then of course, I actually heard this today, 22 % of the buildings in Minneapolis are not occupied.

43:20

Well, that's all across the country. And they used to be just about a hundred percent occupied. Uh, and that's, and that's because of no, nobody wants to have their business there because it was burned down during 2020.

43:32

Well, one of the good things about. Uh, one of the good things about the actual real estate economy is that, you know, these cities can't afford to keep them empty, you know, they're, they're selling buildings, they sold some building in Chicago for a 90 % discount.

43:50

It was a, like a billion dollar building who can take a loss like that. You know, even the wealthiest people out there can't take a loss like that.

43:58

You know, some, some leftists is saying, take one for the team. And you're like, what, Jeff? I haven't heard your voice yet, man, buddy.

44:05

How are you? Oh man, I'm doing great. I've been running like a chicken with my head cut off all day long today.

44:12

Um, but I just sat down and I see we have still a few minutes until the debate. So what have you guys covered yet?

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Have we already asked questions like, um, what does Vance need to do? Great question.

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What does he need to do? Should I go first? You go, I I'll tell you what

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I did cover already. I said, I said, he needs to, he needs to get walls to admit that.

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And I think he's got to do it in a way where he gets walls to be proud of his leftism. Right. Yeah, because I think they're, they run to the center and they're hiding their leftism.

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And, you know, if he could get him, you know, poker prod him on one of those big issues,

44:55

I think Tim McCormick was saying on the border and military record, I was mentioning, um, you know, his, his, uh, his feminine hygiene product dispensary trees, um, or his burning down the city.

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I mean, burn it down. The city's gotta be the big one. You know, he's got, you get him in some way where he's like,

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I had to do it. I had to do it. You know, like, uh, you know, yeah. Like the truth, you know, you can't handle the truth.

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You know, that's the walls moment we need. Like he got to get him on the lawyer. Like he, he knows how to do that kind of thing.

45:30

Yeah. So I think there's, there's two separate things. One is the truth that we know.

45:37

Right. And the second is the strategy that will help the need for the moment.

45:43

So the truth that we know is that this walls whom he's debating is not just a villain, but a level of evil that's beyond comprehension abortion itself is, is just evil, but he's even said things about this botched abortion baby who is, is to be left to die.

46:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jeff in May of, in May of 2023, he signed a bill that removed the requirement to try to save a baby after a botched abortion.

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So that's already been signed into law in the state of Minnesota, you know, cause he has, he has the house and the

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Senate. Yeah. So he's, I mean, he's, and by the way, it's not just walls. Uh, Kamala Harris, uh, believes that as well.

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Yeah. In January of 23, the house Democrats almost unanimously voted for that same bill.

46:39

Wow. I remember back in, uh, Obama days, 2008, one of the things that really motivated me to get out and actually start talking about politics is when

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I heard that as an Illinois Senator, he was the one that fought in the Illinois Senate to let those babies die.

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And nobody had said that before Obama. So that, that's going way back to his, uh, pre -presidency days.

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And then I realized this is a level of evil that we have to resist or else, you know, who knows how, how far the country can go.

47:12

Yeah. So we know the level of evil that we're dealing with here, but most, most Americans think it's more just a matter of left versus right, you know, walls is a little more to the left and, oh, there's, um, there's

47:25

JD Vance off to the right. So that's how most people will think about it. And yet we know that there is a level of evil here.

47:32

That's just demonic. Okay. But strategically, I don't think that's where he needs to camp out.

47:38

I think he needs to talk about immigration till he's blue in the face, what immigration will do to this country.

47:46

If the, if, if the, the border is just left open, like it was for the last four years, there, there won't be another election that conservatives would even have a chance to win.

47:57

Yeah. So to focus on immigration, to focus on, um, things that will actually move the needle inflation.

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Yeah. Here's another one that I think if he is willing to do this, it could be a game changer.

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And that is to invoke Jehovah, the name of God, to begin speaking about God overtly and without fear.

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Like if he will come out and talk about how the bullet missed Trump's ear because God intervened and saved

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Trump's life. If he's willing to go that far and beyond and talk about the 10 commandments, talk about the law of God and to not pull punches,

48:41

I think it could bring home all these evangelicals that tend to sit on the sidelines and they sit on the sidelines because they have certain leaders like David French and, and, uh,

48:52

Curtis, whoever from the, you know, the after party. What's his name? Yeah.

48:58

Ray Ortlund just yesterday. He just came out and did a full face plant.

49:06

Yeah. So now you have many evangelicals saying, you know, I'm just going to sit it out. I guess it is okay. Or, you know, to, to vote for Kamala or just to sit it out.

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But if, if the Lord uses Vance tonight to show that there is, yeah, there's a spiritual reason to jump in on this thing.

49:25

I think that could move the needle. Yeah. This is between good and evil. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, and I mean, he's not going to say it, but I mean,

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Satan runs Tim Walls and Kamala Harris. I mean, look at, look at their agenda and look at what the

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Bible says about Satan. I mean, they're, they fit perfectly. Yeah. And it's, it's, it, it,

49:47

Satan's not even really hiding in it anymore. And let me, let me, let me say a strategy thing. They're going to try to pin

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Vance as a radical on abortion. You know, it's so crazy that they try to do that. And he should say, you know what?

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My view is pro -science. I believe the baby in the womb is a real human being. And you want to talk about radical?

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Let's talk about their position. He needs, he needs to attack them on their position and, and focus more on them than his own position because they're not going to,

50:16

I mean, a botched abortion. You can let the baby die. Like I'm pretty sure most

50:21

Americans aren't behind that. If they are God help us. They're not. If, uh, if Trump, if it was

50:27

Trump's debate tonight, I can tell you for sure, almost, almost a hundred percent certainty that Trump would be talking about that little tuft of hair at the top of his head.

50:40

Yeah, I, uh, I can make fun of him because I used to have one of those. That's why I decided to shave my head. And let me, let me tell you guys, we in Minnesota, that's my home state.

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And I lived there for the first 30 years of my life. And right now I can pretty much see Minnesota from my house, you know, just like Sarah Palin used to say about Russia.

50:58

But anyway, um, but Tim walls makes

51:03

Jesse Ventura look like George Washington. I mean, it's, it's, it's been that bad.

51:08

I mean, um, we, we had Jesse Ventura as a governor. I don't know if you guys remember that. I remember that.

51:14

Yeah. And it's funny you say that because a lot of people are cynically saying that watching this debate at all is like the worldwide wrestling

51:22

Federation. And it's, it's, it's all distraction because none of these guys are really in charge.

51:29

That's so they, you know, they say the deep state and all this other stuff. And, you know, they talk about what happened at the

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UN last week. You guys know what happened at the UN last week? They signed a, they signed a, um, an agreement, which they purposely didn't call a treaty because we're not allowed to sign treaties without congressional approval, but they signed an agreement of some sort that says that if another pandemic should happen, that we're basically going to give up all control to the

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United nations and every nation on the earth is going to do the same. Wow. So if that doesn't make you want to make sure that the person in charge doesn't, isn't, you know, is on the right side of the page,

52:15

I don't know what else will. Right. I'm just looking over my shoulder at the lead into the debate tonight on Fox news.

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They have a, um, an ad that Trump's team put out and it ends with them saying, she is for they, them.

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Trump is for you. Oh, that's good. That was one of the classic lines and they're just pressing this issue.

52:39

I think Bantz would be wise to talk about this, uh, transgender surgeries for inmates.

52:46

Yeah. How insane is that? Do Americans really want a politician who's pushing that?

52:54

Yeah. So let's talk about how we're going to watch the debate and, uh, what we, how we want to interact, uh, as we're going.

53:01

So Jeff, as I mentioned, I think we agreed, there's no way we should stream this debate live, even though we might get away with fair use.

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We could probably cause more problems than we, than we want to. Uh, and it might, it might be illegal.

53:15

We don't know. So I actually, I did reach out to actually the blaze network and they didn't get back to me. I'm not shocked, but maybe they will never before next time.

53:23

So someone as important as you, I'm surprised. Well, you know, I was, I was spitting out some, uh, some 60 second clips, uh, from our last podcast to some pretty famous people on Twitter today.

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So maybe, you know, I was telling them, I said, we don't always get 60 ,000 views, but if you come on, we might get better.

53:44

We do sometimes. And if you come on, we might do better. That's right. Let's look at some of these comments here. So, um, this, this is

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Antoinette. The question is who is buying them? Blackrock China. And then she's interacting with the point about the transgender.

53:58

Wow. That is sick. Yeah. Yeah. So as people put these up, Jeff, I'll, I'll throw them up there for you.

54:05

I don't know that you guys have that. I'm seeing streaming it on YouTube.

54:11

Okay. So that's, is that, uh, that's better than having to watch it on Fox news.

54:18

Yeah. Fox news in 2020 when they called the race before the votes were even counted.

54:25

Yeah. Well, you know, so I was reading that, um, one of the reasons

54:30

Trump picked JD Vance was because Tucker Carlson was pushing for Vance.

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And the reason Tucker Carlson was pushing for Vance was because Rupert Murdoch doesn't like them.

54:44

Oh, wow. And he said, if Rupert doesn't like you, I love you.

54:52

Yeah. I also heard they just had an incredible rapport just right away. They, they, um, hit it off just personally.

54:59

Yeah. That does matter. Yeah. I think it's a, you know, it's a great video.

55:05

If you want to watch it, if you're watching some Tucker Carlson, he interviews that, uh, that British guy who just got saved.

55:12

I forget his name. Russell brand. Yeah. And, and, and Tucker's like, yeah,

55:19

I just read the Bible for the first time in my life. Like a year ago, it was awesome. You know, it's like amazing.

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He's like, I always thought it said, I always thought I knew what it said without reading it. Imagine that. Yeah. Yeah.

55:31

In 2020. So I didn't, I didn't listen to Tucker Carlson until about 2020. And I'm like, I like this guy.

55:37

I mean, he, he was just a guy who just wanted the facts and he was so troubled by what he was seeing.

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And, and he, he showed a lot of courage and, and I, I actually enjoyed listening to him.

55:48

You know, someone who's not even a born again Christian, as far as we know, uh, more than so many evangelical leaders.

55:53

I'm just like, he cared more about the truth than they did. Yeah. It's just like God to do that though.

56:00

He, he often does things like that to just, Hey, Doug, what are you talking about? Give us some more details.

56:07

Yeah. I guess I could have, I could have typed that in for Doug. I don't know what he's talking about.

56:12

What happened to the separation of church and state? Yeah. What's he mean? The only reason we have separation of church and state is because of Christianity.

56:20

People miss that all the time. The left often uses it to say, well, the church shouldn't have any involvement in the government, you know, and they should be separated.

56:33

But of course that's not at all what the founders meant separation of church and state. But the founders meant is we, the state has no business telling a church what to do.

56:42

You know, they can't force you to follow any specific religion. They can't force you to, to how to do church.

56:48

You know, we saw that during COVID -19. Yeah. So, so Doug, that's a very good question because in 2020, a lot of churches actually gave up.

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The freedoms that are actually protected in the U S constitution by letting the government tell them what to do.

57:03

We heard a great quote last week on our last podcast about Martin Luther King jr. Saying that the church is not below the state or above the state.

57:13

The church is the conscience of the state. Yeah, correct. And when you got no conscience, blue churches, burn cities.

57:22

What can I tell you? Yep. Yes. So now someone in the comment section made a comment about China with Tim walls.

57:30

Tim walls has been to China dozens of times. Oh yeah. Which is what, you know, what politician does that?

57:38

Unless there's, there's some agenda there. And he's, he's spoken positively of China as well. Yeah. So there are, there are connections there.

57:45

I mean, so I believe they, a lot of them really think that if, unless we become one global entity, then we're going to have, they think they're preventing world war three.

57:55

Right. Which is not a bad idea, but I think it's because they've also don't believe there's any

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God that's involved in our world, you know? Yep. That's right. So we are three minutes away, ladies and gentlemen.

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So what I'm going to do is I'm going to stay right here and I'm going to watch, watch. I'm going to put my earphones on and I'm going to keep one ear open and see if you guys can.

58:21

Yeah. I'm going to comment very little because everybody's going to want to listen to them. Not us talking over, but I do want to pray before this starts that just interpose in some powerful way.

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Heavenly father, we lift up this debate to you and pray that you would use this for the glory of the name of Jesus Christ.

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Lord, we pray that you would deliver us from evil, that your kingdom would be established here on earth,

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Lord. And we pray that you would really give J .D. Vance words to say that you would protect him from walking into traps.

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Lord God, that you would give him wisdom in his responses. Lord, that you would just teach him words in the moment that are ultimately going to result in saving the lives of babies and protecting freedom and sealing the border and doing all that is right and good and according to your word.

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Lord God, we also pray that he would also receive just power from your Holy Spirit to be bold, to speak the gospel even, and that he would at some point lift up the name of Jesus Christ in this debate.

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Help him, Lord God. And if he doesn't fully know you, Lord, we see it seems he is coming to know you, but Lord, that he would learn to know you and have faith and that he himself would be born again in Jesus name.

59:35

Amen. Amen. Are the other pastors joining us? I think this is all we got.

59:42

This is all we got. Ivan said he couldn't get on with StreamYard right now. So he'll be praying,

59:47

I'm sure. Oh, there's Ivan. CBS News pre -commentary, so biased.

59:54

I can't believe. Game on. Is Ivan, are you watching CBS instead of us? He's bitter because he couldn't get on.

01:00:03

Oh, yeah. That would have helped you. Well, are you going to stream it right through here or are we watching on TV? No, no.

01:00:08

We're going to have to watch it on TV. If I stream it through here, well, let's see.

01:00:15

No, I can't. I see Britt talking. I'm going to turn it on now. Well, then.

01:00:20

Myself, so we don't get feedback. No, someone made the comment about Newsmax. So, yeah.

01:00:26

Oh, yeah. Yeah, Newsmax is better. But I'm sold, whatever. Yeah, I'm going to get my earphones.

01:01:13

OK, so I will. I will mute this. Jeff, I see you're muted already.

01:01:19

So you've got your you're watching. So, well, we can come at any time and I'll keep an eye on the on the chat.

01:01:29

And I'll pop that up and we can interact. So it looks like here we go. And we can also just chat with people on the side there without speaking as well.

01:01:43

Yeah, let's do let's do mostly that till the end. Seth, you're going to want to mute if you're if you can put your volume up.

01:01:58

OK, OK. Sounds good. Taking steps to try and.

01:54:45

Hey, do we have a break here? We got a break. OK, it's him.

01:54:50

Well, Tim Walls just lied outright, lied there. I just wrote in the comments. Which lie?

01:54:56

He Tim Walls said that that this bill that passed the or there was a bill that passed the

01:55:04

Minnesota state legislature in May of twenty three that said that if a baby if there's an abortion and the baby lives that the baby would would be left to die.

01:55:17

That's that's actually in the bill. So he just outright lied. And of course, he knows the mainstream media isn't going to fact check him.

01:55:25

I mean, conservative outlets will. But yeah, he has no problem telling a boldface lie.

01:55:32

Well, we've got we've got the only way to go. And I don't know. Tell me what you guys think.

01:55:39

We just got to get medicine out of the hands of the government. It's just it's just not it's not just the abortion issue.

01:55:46

There's a lot of other bad things happening in medicine. And, you know, with the pharmaceutical stuff, which we haven't really heard about yet, right, the

01:55:55

RFK stuff, you know, make America healthy again. What do you guys think about that?

01:56:02

Well, first of all, let's welcome Tim Robinson into the podcast. What's up, guys?

01:56:09

Yeah, he's like, it's pretty fun, man. He's just floating around. Yeah, I look like you were getting beat up by a pillow earlier.

01:56:17

No, I am. This brick wall. I'm at home with a pillow behind me, but I'm enjoying the comments.

01:56:27

I won't. I'm on my phone, so it won't let me comment. But these comments are awesome. Ivan is counting.

01:56:34

I think I think Vance is up eight zero and he keeps spelling Walz's name wrong. It's awesome.

01:56:40

Ivan, switch to YouTube. Guys, that last exchange was so important because did you see

01:56:49

J .D. Vance did hold his feet to the fire? He said, how? But how is it wrong? And I think most people watching that could see that this man was lying.

01:56:58

And Seth, you pointed it out. It is in the bill. Now, most people won't spend the time to go figure that out. But just the fact that this conversation is being had.

01:57:06

How could your mind not say what? How evil is the man who's having to defend this?

01:57:14

Yeah, yeah. And he makes the argument that it's about women and doctors making this decision.

01:57:20

Like, no, it's not. This is right and wrong. It's up to God. And God tells us this is in the

01:57:27

Ten Commandments, right? You shall not murder. And at 18 days, there's a beating heart.

01:57:33

So you are literally stopping a beating heart with any abortion. And I wish Vance. I mean,

01:57:39

I tell you what, if I'm on that stage, I don't care how many votes I lose. I'm going to tell the truth. I mean, we have to do that.

01:57:45

And say, are we a moral nation or are we a nation that is declining morally, severely?

01:57:55

And that's the same thing. We're going to meet those babies someday. I'm going to wonder if they're going to be able to remember that pain.

01:58:02

Yeah, that's right. In fact, in my biblical ethics in the public square study tomorrow night, we're talking about abortion.

01:58:11

And so we'll talk some about this. But yeah, I'm disappointed in Republicans.

01:58:16

And I wish Vance's answer was stronger. I'm glad that he said that he brought up Walz's bill, though.

01:58:25

Because I was afraid. I'm like, is he not going to mention that? And then he finally did. I'm like, okay, good. Totally agree with Seth.

01:58:31

I was looking for something stronger, just like someone to stand up and do something courageous or bold and do the right thing out of conviction.

01:58:40

You know, I think that even Vance should have had more conviction on that. That was actually kind of sad.

01:58:47

What do you guys want to see next? What do you want next? Tell us. We're going to run out of time. What's next? It's coming back on.

01:58:52

It's coming back on. It's going to be the moderators trying to slant everything for Walz. But we have to pray that the

01:58:58

Lord will help people see through that. Do we have time for a Pastor Jeff comment? Sorry, I think

01:59:03

I interrupted him. No, we want a Tim prayer real quick. It's starting. So pray quick. All right,

01:59:09

Lord, we ask that you would speak through Vance and that you would turn the hearts of America and everyone watching and people would get out and vote the way you would want them to.

01:59:19

In Jesus name, we pray. Amen. Amen. Everybody mute.

02:38:52

We're back. I thought this was going to be over.

02:38:57

We're going to 11 or 10. I think they're going to. Maybe they're doing their final statements at the end here.

02:39:05

Yeah, maybe. But yeah, it's just so interesting how there's this.

02:39:12

You can see that Vance doesn't think it's a winning issue. If you were to ask him privately, he'd probably say, yes, it was.

02:39:19

But he doesn't think it's a winning issue. So he's not going there. It's just amazing what they got away with four years ago.

02:39:29

Yeah. And we all know it's true. The deep state's been lying to us for years.

02:39:37

And that was another one of their tricks that they pulled four years ago. And so it's so interesting how

02:39:45

Satan is the father of lies. And 1

02:39:52

John 5, 19 says the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. How we've heard some truth tonight, but how many lies we've heard.

02:40:02

I mean, let's just let it all come out. And it's refreshing when the truth is told.

02:40:12

But yeah, it's just hard to watch politicians because they don't just go right out and say it.

02:40:17

Sometimes it's like, yeah. Yeah. I would have pointed out in Pennsylvania, the

02:40:26

Secretary of State, he changed the election rules without it going through the

02:40:34

House and the Senate in the state government. He did that because all these ballots would be accepted far after the time when the election closed.

02:40:48

The election, the opportunity for people to vote closed. And that's where that's how they stole it.

02:40:54

They had all these ballots, thousands and thousands and thousands of ballots that should have been rejected.

02:41:01

And it happened because the state senator of Pennsylvania changed the law, bypassing the state legislature.

02:41:11

Yeah, they almost gave him the veep, but it would have been too dangerous to take him out. Yeah. Yeah.

02:41:18

If you watch 2 ,000 mules, you can literally follow the cell phone data of mules running votes to the boxes back and forth.

02:41:28

And there's even video evidence to connect the mule with actual faces and license plates.

02:41:33

It's not a question of whether or not it happened. Oh, are they starting back up again? No. No, not yet.

02:41:41

No. Okay. Veterans benefits. At least that's what

02:41:46

I have on Newsmax. But yeah. Well, prepare your post -debate commentary, guys.

02:41:52

Oh, gosh, I've got a bunch. Yeah. Seth has been on the money, man.

02:41:59

I'm enjoying Seth's comments and commentary. Well, Seth knows this guy. This is what we should have 50 ,000 viewers because Seth knows

02:42:08

Tim Walz. Well, yeah. And I said Vance has to mention Minneapolis.

02:42:13

He hasn't mentioned it yet. You have. Burning. I'm burning. I'm burning for him. Here's how he needs to say it.

02:42:21

Mayor Jacob Fry, a Democratic mayor, begged Tim Walz to send the

02:42:27

National Guard and he wouldn't do it. Wouldn't do it. I don't think Jacob Fry is even voting for Tim Walz.

02:42:32

He despises the man. Tell us who Jacob Fry is. Who's Jacob Fry? Jacob Fry, he's the mayor of Minneapolis.

02:42:41

Democratic mayor of Minneapolis. Yeah, so, yeah, that would be a big miss if that was not brought up tonight.

02:42:52

Although I'm wondering if maybe it's strategic at this point. I mean, J .D. Vance has been so nice and so amenable.

02:43:00

That was a good call. I feel like I think Trump— Here we go. We're going back, guys. They think they have this election in the bag and they're just trying to—

02:43:08

Yep. They don't need to do anything tonight. Yep, we'll be right back. Okay, we're back. And I'm Norah O'Donnell and a reminder.

02:47:45

Okay. Yeah, we don't— Yeah. God bless you and good night, ladies.

02:47:54

Yep, did they say good night? They were pit bulls, man. Yeah. Biased. Oh, boy.

02:48:02

So awful. Yeah, I like the comment. Kamala Harris is bringing joy.

02:48:08

Ha ha ha. Yeah. So yeah, I thought that was a good closing statement by Vance.

02:48:15

It was. Yeah. That was right on the money. We need change, which is great to use their whole mantra of progress, change.

02:48:24

They have no standard, so it's just always change, change, change. But they've been the ones in office now and they can't run away from that.

02:48:31

And I like that he drilled down on that at the end there. Three and a half years and they've only made the problem worse.

02:48:36

So what's all this talk about on day one? You're 1 ,400 days into it. So I think that was a good closing.

02:48:43

It was kind of like Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan's famous closing was, is your life better than it was four years ago?

02:48:52

And of course, the American people knew the answer. We're paying more money for everything. And that was, of course, with Jimmy Carter.

02:49:00

And then Reagan won big after that. And then, of course, won again four years after that.

02:49:06

So, yeah, there's a contrast here between Trump's presidency and Biden -Kamala

02:49:14

Harris' presidency. It's a huge contrast where there was prosperity during Trump's presidency.

02:49:20

And I think people lose sight of that because there was so much chaos because of Trump derangement syndrome. There was a lot of prosperity during his presidency.

02:49:30

And then the last four years, I mean, all of us are poorer. I mean, we know about that.

02:49:38

It was media -induced Trump derangement syndrome. Hey, Joe, let me give my final sign -off here because I actually have to run.

02:49:46

But just my overall view of what happened. All that J .D. Vance was trying to accomplish was to make the narrative of the left seem absurd.

02:49:56

And he was extra nice. He was everything opposite what they're trying to paint him and Trump to be.

02:50:03

As Hitler and just the threat to democracy. So I don't think he was even trying to attack.

02:50:11

I think he was just trying to undermine the argument. And I think he accomplished that. I think it probably indicates that their internal polling sees that they've got this as long as they pull a little bit from the middle.

02:50:24

The female vote, just the ones that are still a little skeptical and afraid.

02:50:30

I think he just won them over. I think it was a huge win for J .D. Vance tonight, simply because of what

02:50:36

I think his goal was, was to just take the edge off of that argument, which is all they have.

02:50:42

Trump derangement syndrome. They have no policy issue. I think he just he deflected everything.

02:50:47

He was so agreeable the whole time, just smiling, complimenting. And I think he ruined a lot of Democrats today because they wanted to write the article differently tomorrow.

02:50:58

So that's my view. I think you're really seeing the farce there, Jeff. I think that was that's a really great observation.

02:51:04

You're spot on. It is a it's all strategic. And yeah, I mean, but so but were you disappointed that they didn't talk about some of this guy's really craziness, the burning down the city, the, you know, the crazy policies in state schools?

02:51:23

Did that bother you? I'm not I think strategically this actually made sense.

02:51:28

Like I said at the very beginning, I think there's a difference between what we know and what they need to do strategically to protect the lives of babies.

02:51:37

They couldn't make abortion the issue the whole time because sadly, this country has drifted so far from Christianity that most people are just fundamentally immoral on the issue of abortion.

02:51:50

And so that's right. Politically, strategically, it made sense not to go all in the way the way any one of us would, because we for Christ, you know, we're not speaking to win an office.

02:52:03

You have a very different station. And God, I don't know that either Trump or Vance are born again, but I think they're more like Darius, you know, the

02:52:14

Persian king and those who were favorable to Israel, even though they themselves didn't know the

02:52:20

God of Israel. That's my view of what's happening. Yeah, yeah, it's right. And I mean, watching these things reminds me why

02:52:27

I can never be a politician. I mean, I can't do that. I mean, I just I bring up the election question.

02:52:33

Oh, yeah, they stole it. You know, I mean, I mean, I don't know. And I think, you know,

02:52:38

I think and I think sometimes pastors can act too much like politicians. And of course, those are the kind of pastors that Jeff and I and Tim and Joe do not like, you know, because we're supposed to be more like the prophets, right?

02:52:51

And the apostles and Jesus. But but yeah, I think sometimes maybe we can set the bar too high for politicians when they a lot of times they're not saved.

02:53:03

They're in the secular arena. So so maybe we can maybe we do set the bar too high where we're like, you know what?

02:53:10

If Trump and Vance get in there, things aren't going to fall apart. And where, you know, we as a church, we need to do a better job of influencing our communities in our local communities and statewide and nationally to say, you know what?

02:53:25

We need to get America back to a more moral society. We can't put up with a corrupt media anymore.

02:53:32

We can't put up with corrupt institutions. And it may be gone. I don't know. But the church, the church has not been a witness the way that it's supposed to have been.

02:53:43

And I think that's why we find, you know, the Overton window, right? It keeps drifting further and further.

02:53:50

And and then we look like we look like a bunch of radicals, you know, because the church has not the church has not been a prophetic witness in society.

02:54:01

So so we do look strange. What do you think, Tim? I got to run, but I got to hear Tim's comments real quick before I go.

02:54:07

Oh, man. I just kind of thought, like, was it too mean of me to say that Waltz looked like a sad face emoji?

02:54:16

Is that a little too mean? I don't know. I just it looked like it looked like Vance is someone just by looking at him, someone that you can trust and have a normal conversation with.

02:54:27

But it looked like Waltz just kind of just looked fake to me. You know what

02:54:33

I mean? And looked like he was more of a liar just by discerning and and observing what they're talking about and just trying to visualize what they're really like off camera and things like that.

02:54:45

My my gut is saying that Vance is more trustworthy overall, just on discernment.

02:54:51

And like Jeff said, I'm not so sure any of them are Christian, but it was really fun.

02:54:57

Honestly, my favorite part of the whole thing was this the comments. I loved, loved watching

02:55:02

Ivan and everyone comment and Seth's comments. That was a great idea. But as the debate.

02:55:09

Yeah, Seth is right on the money. I like for me, it's like I'm jumping out of my skin because it's just like we would love to be on the world stage and be able to answer questions like that the way that, you know,

02:55:20

God would want us to. But dance around those things, which I don't know. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that I got asked those questions and I could actually stand for truth.

02:55:31

And I don't know if I could do the strategic game. Yeah, well, strategic in the way

02:55:38

Jeff put it. I mean, it was just it was it was more of a demeanor than it was the actual things that he said.

02:55:44

I think he probably does believe a lot of the things he said. I think he is a moderate. I don't think he's a very, you know, certainly not as radical as I would like, but I'm glad.

02:55:57

But he's but he's but he but he's he's very good. Very good tonight, Jeff. I really, really thought it was great.

02:56:03

Tim, I think you would have been mean if you called him Admiral Stockdale. That that might have been me if you know the reference there.

02:56:10

That was Ross Perot's running mate years ago. And they kind of reminded me a little bit of that guy.

02:56:17

Joe, what do you think? What do I think? What do

02:56:22

I think? You know, it's the VP breaks. I think Jeff just called it really well.

02:56:27

I mean, just from a from a high level looking at the forest. I got a whole bunch of trees I got problems with, you know, but the trees don't really matter.

02:56:36

It's the forest right now, especially, you know, and this is the end. This is the end of the of the of the final race.

02:56:42

And so what I was going to ask you, Seth or Jeff or Tim anyway, what do we do to make sure we have higher standards for the next race?

02:56:51

This is when we start thinking about the next race. Let's get those standards up, especially those people who want to come out and say that Donald Trump's the worst since worst thing in 50 years.

02:57:03

He's really not not even close. He's like the best president since Reagan. But, you know, that being said,

02:57:09

Reagan could have been a lot better, too. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's one of those things where we need to tell the truth.

02:57:20

And like, for example, like on the abortion issue, you know, say, you know what? We're pro science.

02:57:26

Everybody talks about wanting to be pro science. Like we are pro science that that baby in the womb is a real human being.

02:57:33

Like, why is it so hard to say that, you know, and say things like, you know what? We don't want we don't want a woman to be in that situation, obviously, in a crisis pregnancy.

02:57:43

But there's crisis pregnancy centers that they can help you. And I used to be on the board at one.

02:57:49

Seth, in your state, you're in you're in Wisconsin. And just getting that right this.

02:57:56

Yeah. Yeah. So are are they in your public schools? Are they teaching young girls that that baby is just a collection of cells doesn't feel any pain?

02:58:11

You know that it's are they are they what are they teaching out there? Because I'm going to tell you what, New Jersey, it's really bad.

02:58:18

Yeah, yeah, I don't I don't know exactly. My guess would be, yes, you know, that they are, of course, our governor would, you know, believes that, you know, but we have

02:58:30

I mean, like why the Republican Party used to talk about adoption a lot. Okay, so if someone if someone can't, if a woman can't take care of the baby, well, there's there's there's yeah, there's loving parents.

02:58:42

See, Jeff. Yes, gone. Yep, yep. See, Jeff. He dropped the mic. Yeah, yeah, there's loving parents out there.

02:58:50

Yeah, there's loving parents up out there who oftentimes don't have any other children who want to adopt a child.

02:58:59

So so why don't we talk about adoption? And so I have an article coming out on TrueScript sometime soon.

02:59:05

And it's an open letter to the Republican lawmakers. And my plea with them is, you know,

02:59:11

I'm complimenting them. I'm saying, you know, you're doing a lot of things right. But I said, you know, we used to be the party of life.

02:59:19

And we used to be the party of marriage. Yeah, and both of those have declined.

02:59:27

And it's kind of interesting, because even as I say that, you know, Bush was, you know, he held those positions, right?

02:59:34

He was strongly pro life. And he was George W. Bush. Yeah, he was he was strongly pro life.

02:59:41

And he believed in, you know, marriage between one man and one woman. But Donald Trump, you know, was was the much better president.

02:59:50

And I think that's the case, because what we what we discovered is that the establishment, these establishment candidates weren't that much different.

02:59:59

You know, Bush really wasn't that much different from Gore. McCain wasn't that much different from Obama. Romney wasn't that much different from Obama.

03:00:09

Do you think that's because of globalism? Yes. Yeah, Trump. Trump is against the establishment, which is he's against the deep state.

03:00:16

Let's call it what it is. Do you think do you think COVID changed how we view globalism?

03:00:21

And do you think it opened the eyes of some of us? Oh, it for sure did.

03:00:27

Yeah, yeah, it for sure did. Yeah, I think Trump what Trump has done, you know, Jeff mentioned that God uses flawed men to do good things.

03:00:37

You may see that in the Bible, Cyrus, King of Persia, Artaxerxes, Samson.

03:00:46

Yeah, yeah, Nebuchadnezzar. Yeah, you see some Old Testament examples of men whom God used for his for good purposes.

03:00:54

God used Trump to unmask a lot of evil, both in government and in the church.

03:01:04

Yeah, I mean, you know, Ray Ortlund is supporting Kamala Harris, for example. Yeah, well, that shows corruption that we probably would not have otherwise seen.

03:01:15

Um, yeah, well, I think that's I think it's wonderful that he has come out and said that because his yeah, he's one of those pastors that thinks that it's okay.

03:01:27

Anyway, he probably will listen to Matthew five in the Sermon on the Mount and hear Jesus say that if you if you lust after another woman, that it's a sin.

03:01:36

But then he's going to turn around and say, if you lust after someone of the same sex, it's not a sin.

03:01:42

Right. So he's one of those guys that's just inconsistent and arbitrary. And that's not

03:01:49

Christ. Not Christ like. Yep, that's right. Yeah. And Jesus was not a politician, right?

03:01:55

He he had no problem sending the crowds away. And of course, there's that scene in John six, right, where Jesus looks to his disciples after the crowds left and says, are you going to leave, too?

03:02:08

And then Peter says to him, you know, only you have the words of eternal life. Yeah. So so it's just yeah, it's it's it's kind of disheartening seeing politicians debate.

03:02:19

But let me ask. Let me ask Tim something. Tim, did you do you think?

03:02:24

Well, I said, how do you think we should prepare youth to get involved in politics?

03:02:31

What do you think? How do we how do we raise up some spiritual leaders?

03:02:36

I think like, my gosh, wouldn't it be great? I think Trump's got a great insight, but would it be great if he actually knew his

03:02:42

Bible or he could say one Corinthians correctly? Well, I think

03:02:48

Joe says this really good comment on their politicians appeal to people. And the reason why

03:02:54

Seth, me or Jeff would really have a hard time appealing to people is because we're not trying to please people.

03:03:03

We're trying to please Christ. And I think. I would love to see and I think there would be a big following of people if someone really did come out as an actual born again

03:03:14

Christian that knew their Bible and started running. I don't know, like who knows what God can do. I'd love to see that way more.

03:03:22

But as far as youth, I think that we could, you know, educate them on seeing things, seeing the forest through the trees like Jeff did, like educate them on the

03:03:33

Bible. So, you know, the Bible strengthens discernment. And I think they're not going to know how to discern things from the world.

03:03:41

The world is going to teach them more so to be a Democrat or to see things the way the world does. So I think preparing them with the word of God so that they can think for themselves and have a biblical perspective.

03:03:52

If you have a true biblical knowledge and perspective and we're taught the Bible, there's no be on the wrong side.

03:04:00

How are kids? How are kids prepared to deal with these liberals in college? Do you think do you think they're ready?

03:04:08

Oh, man, I think my wife just had a comment in the background. What'd you say? Come on,

03:04:14

Mayor. Come on on. No, no. She doesn't want to come on. No, I just think that a lot of them are very unprepared in the aspect of their boldness because I feel like they are too shy majority of the time to voice their opinions to receive any type of or deal with any type of adversity.

03:04:33

And I think that's something that as parents, they should be reinforcing that no matter like no matter what you're doing in life, if you're following Christ, you're never alone.

03:04:45

So too many kids are afraid of losing friends or kind of being outcast or, you know, being targeted.

03:04:52

And it's like, but that's the life of Christ that you're supposed to suffer. And it's not like you're suffering like in a sense of like, you know, it's bad because you know where you're glorious, like, you know, that you have, you know, an eternity in heaven with Christ.

03:05:07

So that's what I think that they're a lot of them are ill prepared for because they wrestle too much with compromise.

03:05:15

And I think that needs to be reinforced from the parents, knowing that parents would be proud of a kid to stand up against those lies and against falsehood, come with the truth and be okay to identify with Jesus Christ.

03:05:30

And parents being proud of that and reinforcing that more than, you know, maybe getting a good grade or being popular, things like that.

03:05:39

Kids do try to please their parents growing up. And if you have a parent that is following the

03:05:45

Lord and loves to see their kids following the Lord, the kids are going to try to do that. Yeah. What do you think about making a debate club between the

03:05:53

Cornerstone kids and like the public school kids? Oh man,

03:05:59

I don't know. I would say that the Cornerstone kids would win. That would be great. That would be great.

03:06:06

Yeah. Some kids from church in mind that would win pretty much any debate.

03:06:14

So I would love it. Let's get them on. Let's have it. Let's get them on. That would be great.

03:06:20

Yeah, right. I mean, we need to emphasize that, you know, to be a

03:06:30

Christian means that the world's not going to love you, right? You know, Jesus is the only person who never did anything wrong.

03:06:37

And look what the world did to him. They brutally crucified him on a cross. And Jesus said, what they did to me, they will do to you, right?

03:06:47

If the world hated me, then they will hate you as well. And of course, it doesn't mean necessarily we're going to die.

03:06:53

We could, but we will be insulted, right? There's a spectrum of persecution.

03:07:00

And so we need to teach our children that you will face persecution, but this persecution comes,

03:07:08

I think, you know, the connection with politics here is this persecution comes, where it comes is it comes through standing in the public square.

03:07:18

It's not so much just preaching the gospel. It's standing for the unborn. It's standing for marriage.

03:07:26

It's standing against the craziness of the transgender movement. It's standing against illegal immigration and being called a bigot.

03:07:35

It's, I mean, all these things, you know, the right to defend ourselves. I mean, these are all political issues that we need to stand on because the

03:07:44

Bible supports them. We need to stand on the fact that the government often oversteps its bounds that God has given it.

03:07:53

So do they even have a right to be in some of these things? You know, Jeff was just preaching a sermon this weekend on the different types of governments that are established by God, you know, starting with self, but then family, church and state, right?

03:08:13

They're all different types of government, right? And our state government, which is really the federal government mostly, but our states as well.

03:08:21

They've taken over the church and the family. And of course, then that means the self. All we've got is our, you know, much left.

03:08:29

Yeah. And that's what they do. They think they own our children and they don't, right?

03:08:36

Yeah. So you can see where persecution always comes from the government and persecution comes from being enemies of the state.

03:08:45

It's always been that way. You know, we don't worship their gods. We don't follow their idols.

03:08:50

We don't know our need is Caesar. You know, so we need to remember that, you know, so when people say

03:08:57

Christians can't get political, well, if you don't get political, if you don't stand for biblical ethics in the public square, then you probably won't get persecuted, but you also won't be faithful to Christ.

03:09:10

So that, yeah. So that's a big point I want to make, you know, that, yeah.

03:09:15

How about a little question from the audience here? I don't know if it's a question. It's more of a statement. But yeah, Christopher says the state has only taken over churches that allowed them to do so.

03:09:27

Do you guys agree with that? Yeah, go ahead, Tim. I mean, that makes sense if you allow it, right?

03:09:35

I don't know. Maybe you would have a better, better answer, Seth. Yes. I mean,

03:09:41

I would say, yes, I agree with Nate. And COVID -19, of course, is the great example of this.

03:09:49

I think most churches in America did not understand the relationship between the church and the state.

03:09:57

And how many people know of the Erastean heresy? You know, not many pastors were equipped in understanding that the

03:10:06

Erastean heresy teaches that government is above the church, but the

03:10:11

Bible doesn't teach that. The Bible teaches that they're side by side and God is above them so that the church only obeys the government when the government is within the bounds that God has set, the design that God has put in place, right?

03:10:27

So most pastors did not understand that in 2020. And therefore, all these churches everywhere compromised.

03:10:36

And yes, and I think it's one of those things where churches need to recognize, okay, we did compromise. And if these lockdowns come again, which they probably will at some point, we have a chance to actually do it right this time.

03:10:48

Hey, and I think a lot of that pressure not only came from the state, but came from the media, but also from even the church congregants that thought they knew better than the pastor and thought they wanted to lead the pastor and were recommending shutting it down or things like that.

03:11:06

And really, the pastor has to be strong enough or the elder board or whatever it is to say, no, this isn't right.

03:11:14

So you're saying there was an upswell of fear in the church?

03:11:19

Yes. Yeah. It was fear. Yeah. And that could happen again with who knows what's in store.

03:11:25

Yeah. I mean, hey, listen, the first couple of weeks, I was waiting for people to drop dead.

03:11:31

I thought it was... I was looking out my window. I was living on Haddon Avenue in Collinswood.

03:11:37

I'm looking out the window going, did anybody drop dead yet? Well, I was looking out the window.

03:11:43

I'm thinking there's no way people are actually going to be wearing these masks. I look out, they have them on outside and whatnot.

03:11:50

And I'm like, no way people are actually doing it. And then after a week, I'm like, no way they're still doing it.

03:11:58

The next day, the next day. And then it was almost a year into it, and I still see people still wearing the mask.

03:12:04

At this point, they're not afraid. They're just proving a point. I don't know, maybe virtue signaling with their mask on or whatever it is.

03:12:12

Yeah. Now it's a total virtue signal. What did those kids on the street say to us that were wearing the masks?

03:12:19

Tim, we're down in Kensington. I couldn't understand what they were saying because they had the mask on. Why you got a mask on?

03:12:30

I think they were saying, I don't know. I'm just comfortable wearing it. How could you ever be comfortable wearing that?

03:12:37

Yeah, that sounds like it. Yeah, and we want a president, guys, who is going to actually let the church do what they want, right, to truly have separation of church and state.

03:12:50

And of course, in this election, we know what the choice is. The choice is clear.

03:12:56

I was really glad that Vance talked about the First Amendment. That was a very strong ending.

03:13:02

It was a great way to end. Yeah, it was a good ending. I liked how he kind of took their slogan and was like, yeah, we need a change of what's been happening.

03:13:12

And it's true that this has been, at least since I've been old enough to view the world, this,

03:13:18

I think, has been the most change in one presidential term in the world.

03:13:24

So now it's like, yeah, now we need a change from that horrible change that happened. Yeah. Amen. And I think that, you know,

03:13:32

I think really looking at the forest, I think Jeff was really spot on talking about how, you know, how strategic this whole thing was.

03:13:40

And, you know, I look at, you know, I called, I called Walt Wentz or Walsey, Admiral Stockton, which was he couldn't, he could barely speak, that guy.

03:13:54

But the reality is he was very much on point. He said, he said at the very end of that debate, he started, he turned, he turned it all around on a

03:14:04

Republican saying, you guys are trying to imprison, make political prisoners.

03:14:10

I'm like, wait a minute. Didn't I just watch the Democrats for four years, try to put Trump in jail?

03:14:16

Like, I'm like the audacity of this man, the sheer, the sheer hubris.

03:14:25

Oh, I couldn't believe it. He said a lot. He said a lot of things. If you listen, like carefully, like that was really just talking about them, but they were trying to say the other side was doing that.

03:14:37

That's what he was saying, like the winner. We just want the winner of the election to, you know, act like a winner or something like that.

03:14:45

And we're like, yeah, well, like we want like the win, like the whoever wins to be the winner too. But that didn't happen the first time.

03:14:53

No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think, I think with Vance, when you look at Vance, you know, he's, if Christ's return delays and who knows, it might be soon, but if there is time in the future,

03:15:07

Vance is the kind of guy who people can get behind because he has something that Trump doesn't have.

03:15:14

And that's, and that's a sense of decency and that really came out tonight.

03:15:20

Of course, Ephesians 4 tells us, and I know that tearing down the high places, right? This is what this podcast is all about, speaking the truth in love.

03:15:29

And yeah, Vance did a great, I mean, I tell you what, if anybody wants to learn how to speak the truth in love, he did a great job at that tonight.

03:15:37

And so, yeah, so there's like a decency that he had. So if he is the future of the Republican party, I hope that he maybe gets some stronger convictions on some things, but.

03:15:51

I'm going to bite my tongue on that one, but I want to pray that you're right. Yeah. Yeah.

03:15:57

Yeah. So, but you saw the decency, right, Joe? Um, like I said,

03:16:04

I think they were both very strategic, so I don't believe anything that they're doing. You don't think it was sincere is what you're saying?

03:16:11

Well, no, no, no, it's not that. It's not that. I mean, I believe they think they're good people, you know, they believe that.

03:16:17

I believe that they believe that they're good people. Yeah. But you can at least see, like, more of a sense of self -control from Vance that Trump really doesn't have.

03:16:27

Unbelievably good self -control. Unbelievably good self -control. But I just don't, I just don't like some of his policies, some of the things he said about expanding child care.

03:16:36

And he spoke about, um, some other big government things, like, and just a little too much.

03:16:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'll, and I'll agree with Nate on this, you know, Nate, Nate said there is no decency in politics.

03:16:52

Oftentimes we don't know if they're sincere, right? Now, if he is sincere, you know,

03:16:57

God knows, um, you know, and that's why, that's why politics is a dirty game, man, because we don't.

03:17:06

Yeah, well, you know, and this is why we've got to, we've got to keep an eye on them. Yeah, real close, real close, you know, yeah.

03:17:15

Trust, but verify. And I think it's, here's something I tell people when we talk about, um, well, we'll answer this question in a second.

03:17:27

Um, and I'm, I'm already losing my train of thought here. Maybe, okay, let's answer this question. How about that? I don't know who

03:17:37

Jan San Mark is. So yeah, but, uh, I'm going to tell you what there are.

03:17:42

So if you talk to people in the John Birch society, which, you know, I'm already labeling myself as, you know, that, which is fine.

03:17:50

I think they're, they, you know, people thought they were a little, little out there before, uh, they were predicting everything that happened, uh, during COVID.

03:17:59

Um, but anyway, uh, yeah, I think he's too close to the deep state.

03:18:04

I think we're going to find out. We're going to find out who he is. Um, I think there's, there's, there's people saying that he is, but we don't know, you know, and, and, and there's, you know, people attacking him.

03:18:14

You just don't know. And we gotta, we gotta give everybody a fair shot. And, um, what's the connection he has?

03:18:24

So I've heard he has got connections to, um, uh, different globalist groups, uh, and he was funded, uh, and somebody in the, in the chat room could probably say, say more about this.

03:18:37

Some of his funding came from some people that were, were questionable, but that doesn't mean anything. Hey, I, anybody wants to send me money and fund me go right ahead.

03:18:45

I'm not going to look into your, your money's green. That's fine. I don't think I'm going to check your morals. You know what

03:18:51

I mean? Like that? I mean, but you know, how much, how much of, of a relationship did he have with certain people?

03:18:58

Who knows? Okay. Let, let me, this is, this is what I was going to say. It came back to me. Um, when we, when we judge someone, okay.

03:19:05

What they say does matter. Okay. But what's more important than what they say is what they do.

03:19:11

Right. Cause, cause you can get someone who's going to fool you by what they say. You know, I hate to bring this up, but like Steve Lawson, for example, um, you know, this big scandal, uh, this five -year affair that he had with a woman much younger than him.

03:19:26

He said a lot of good things. He said glorious things, the truth of God's word.

03:19:32

And yet you look at his life and you're like, okay, did, did this guy even mean anything he said?

03:19:38

Because you know, the book of James says we know someone by their deeds, right?

03:19:43

We, we, we know someone by their fruits. Jesus said that. So, so, so when we're judging someone, whether it's a politician or whether it's anybody in life, whether it's a pastor or a layman or someone in the community, what do they do?

03:19:58

Um, don't be fooled by what they say. What do they do? Look at their actions and then, and then make a judgment on someone's character.

03:20:06

Yep. Yep. That'd be great if we just, if, if we just had people that really knew the

03:20:12

Bible, but the spirit of the age, the zeitgeist being anti -Christian right now, a hundred years ago, the spirit of the age was the complete opposite.

03:20:24

We had a lot of people that were not Christians quoting scripture left and right. So, yeah, you know, how do you navigate that?

03:20:32

Tim, you got a Matthew reference in there. I want to know what, what was he quoting?

03:20:40

Because first he started off with, I'm not a guy that follows my own faith. But Matthew 25 or 24 or something.

03:20:48

And I honestly missed what he said. Cause I started laughing over him. I know it was, it was

03:20:54

Matthew 25, something. And I, I wasn't the, it wasn't verse 11. Cause I went and looked it up. He said, love your neighbor as yourself.

03:21:02

I think we can go back to the tape and see how it comes from Matthew 22.

03:21:10

Um, yeah, yeah. Jesus has asked the question, what's the greatest commandment.

03:21:16

And then he, you know, then he asked, and then he says, and the second is like it. You shall love your neighbors yourself. That's Matthew 22. I'm sure going to Lutheran rainbow flying flag.

03:21:25

Yeah. I mean, not flying, they're not flying a rainbow flag. Cause it, uh, cause of Noah. Right.

03:21:30

So, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. So, hey guys, this was great.

03:21:37

Let's cut it off. I'm going to repost this over the weekend for our weekly podcast. So, uh, maybe we'll, maybe it'll be interesting to see again for some folks out there.

03:21:46

Thank you everybody for coming out. And, uh, guys, we gotta, we gotta do it as we do every week.

03:21:52

Hey, let's do it. Come on, Tim. Fall on something. Fuck the dude. Yeah. You see a brother down, lift them up.

03:22:02

See a high place. Tear it down. All right, guys. Thanks so much.

03:22:08

We're going to, we're going to cut out for our, for all the people that came out tonight. Thank you so much. Please share this with people. And, uh, until next time, if you've got any other questions, uh, you know, send them out to podcast at cornerstone, sj .org.

03:22:21

We're so grateful that we're able to serve in this way tonight. Thank you, Seth, for coming all the way from Minnesota.

03:22:28

Yep. Great to be here with you. Great to be here. Thanks. I'm glad you got your gravity situations, uh, figured out you're floating all over the place earlier.

03:22:37

Yeah. Joe, I was in the, I was in a different chat room for some reason. The one I clicked from, from, uh, the email,

03:22:45

I was like, Oh, sorry. We're still live. My bad. I'm going to end the stream.