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Terrorist attacks on American soil, the bloated federal government, brother wars, and Nazis. Let's talk about it with Corey Wing from Civically Minded. Here we go. Exploring theology, doctrine, and all of the fascinating subjects in between, broadcasting from an undisclosed location, Dead Men Walking starts now.

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Corey Wing, Civically Minded, and the Podcast Mission

Now that we got the business out of the way, I had a great discussion with Corey Wing. He's the host of Civically Minded. He's a teaching elder at a PCA church. And what a great brother in the Lord. Met him a few years ago, really got to know him last year at the Fight Left Feast conference.

And he talks about all the stuff that I'm interested in anyway, theology, culture, doctrine, politics. And we started off talking about the local domestic terrorist attacks that happened in New Orleans and then in Las Vegas.

We got into the bloated federal government and how a limited government works better for the people. Talked a little politics there. And then towards the end of the episode, which we went an hour and a half, because we are two talkers and we discussed a lot of stuff, got into his response on the brother wars, and then also Nazism, the rise of white Nazism within certain Christian national camps and within the reform community.

I gave for the first time ever my kind of thought on what's going on there. So for those of you who've been tweeting me and messaging and texting on our platform here, you can actually click the link below right at the top to send me a text that goes right to my phone.

And I can see what you guys are talking about, asking me, what are your thoughts on that? Decided to address it finally after six months. So if you want my thoughts on what is going on, that happens at about the, I would say, the hour mark of the episode.

And Corey kind of gives his thoughts and his response that got some traction on the brother wars, so to speak. So all in all, it was a good episode. Very thought provoking, very informational. Excuse me.

Sorry, I'm on my third recording today. So my voice is starting to go. But yeah, it was a blessing having Corey on. Love that brother in the Lord. We think probably along the same lines on a lot of stuff.

And it was good just to bounce it off of someone else and hopefully bring you guys some content that you can enjoy too on those issues. So not going to belabor this too much. Happy New Year. We are two weeks into, two episodes into the new year.

2025 is off to a great start with a nice, long, meaty hour and a half episode with Corey Wing. And that's who you're going to hear next. Me and Corey. So Corey Wing, welcome to the Dead Men Walking podcast.

Thank you, brother. I appreciate you having me on. Thank you.

I think tech question. Am I the first guest technically of the new year for your show?

We had, well, I pre-recorded one. We had Ben Merkel drop on January 1st, but you're the first one that we are physically recording in the new year. So yes, you can hold that title, my brother. I feel very honored.

Thank you. Hey, we got to start the new year off right with some Corey Wing, right?

Well, I'm not sure if that's right or wrong, but you're starting. That's for sure.

So yeah, Corey Wing, host of the civically minded podcast. Tell us a little bit about that for the listeners that might not know who you are there. Sure.

Practical Theology for Everyday Life

So my name is Corey Wing. I'm an associate pastor in the PCA. I'm a ruling elder heading towards ordination as a teaching elder. God willing, by the end of 2025, that's the goal, is finish up my MDiv seminary stuff and go through my ords.

And my older brother, who is a Southern Baptist pastor, laughs at me all the time and said, man, you should have been ordained as a Baptist years ago. You wouldn't have to go through all the difficulty of being a PCA guy.

That stuff's really hard. And he's not wrong. It is. But I host a podcast called civically minded. I'm really into current events, politics. My tagline is practical theology for everyday life. So I like to take the things that Christians are reading in their scriptures or maybe hearing in sermons at their church and kind of put hands and feet to it.

Because I'm kind of a blue collar church in rural North Carolina, and I've got a lot of really solid men who over the years have come to me and said, I'm leading my family in worship. And my wife and I read Amos this morning.

And man, I don't know how to apply Amos to our lives. So it was birthed out of that, out of guys in my own church that I just felt like, I think I could maybe help you. And then my wife sat me down one day and said, why don't you start something online?

And I said, well, who would care what I have to say? And she said, well, there's people at our church that seem to. And she said, what about you? Don't you watch a lot of guys on YouTube who aren't famous?

And I said, yeah, actually, most of the channels that I watch are not John MacArthur or R .C. Sproul. I mean, I watch those guys too. But she wasn't wrong. Most of the guys that I watch were just guys, you know, and some of them pastors, some of them not.

And she said, you don't think you could be that for someone else? And I hadn't even thought of that. You know, that just hadn't crossed my mind. So God bless my wife. Yeah, wise woman.

And you're not wrong. I'm not surprised, but I absolutely love the way God Providence works. And there's a lot of wise men out there that you can glean things from on the Internet being used to glorify God.

So that is awesome. Also, I would say with all those letters going to be behind your name, that's keeping with the trend of inviting smarter people than myself on the podcast, which isn't hard to do. So I love that.

And then when you made the Baptist joke, I got to think of our mutual friend Keith Foskey. There's a reason why the Presbyterian has the superior theology tag, right? I mean, you got to do a little work there.

You want to be a Presbyterian. That's true. We're in good company.

Two Presbyterians talking today. Let's go. Well, and I've got a good. Have you ever been able to to interact much or meet Josh Howard from Eschatology Matters?

Yes, a few times. Super solid guy.

He's just converted. I say converted whatever the correct word is. He just came on to the PCA as a teaching elder. He just accepted his first teaching elder position at a church in the PCA. So he just went through his transition from kind of more Baptistic theology into the PCA.

So I'm super pumped that we're growing. I like it. Yep. Yeah. Getting one baptism at a time.

That's right. That's right. Yeah. So civically minded. I mean, the wife said, maybe you should sit down, do a podcast. We're watching people who, like you said, don't necessarily have a huge platform or famous, but you guys are growing by leaps and bounds.

I know you had a lot of people down at the Fight Left Feast where we hung out at, knew who you were and are listening. So pretty cool that God can use technology to glorify him, you know? So what are some of the things you guys talk about on civically minded?

So I have kind of a signature show that I do that is called The Right Wing. My last name, of course, is Wing. So it just kind of, it fit. So whenever I do that show, it's called The Right Wing from Civically Minded.

It's all politics. So it's kind of just a very political, heavy, political forward show. And of course, I really got started, my first show was November 10th of 23. So really, my first full year, of course, was last year.

And man, was there endless amount of fodder to talk about if you were going to have a political show, right? You know, so it was a great year to kind of start a podcast that had a heavy influence from politics.

But the truth of the matter is, I've always been into that world. I was even, as like a high school and even middle school kid, I was just into, U .S. history was my favorite subject. It was just something that I was really fascinated about.

And so I've always been into that world. And so this was just kind of an extension of a passion anyway. And then I do, again, a lot of practical theology. I live on a 15-acre farm. I'm raising three kids.

I'm married. So, you know, I'll be out. There's a lot of like little shorts and things on my channel where I'll be out feeding our goats or, you know, doing something with cows. And a verse will just pop into my head and something that's very applicable to the world that I live in.

And then I think about Scripture, especially in the New Testament. And you see even Christ himself does so many parables that are kind of toward that agrarian agricultural lifestyle. Of course, Paul does a lot of sports metaphors as well.

So there's just a lot of ways to take very divine and biblical truth and then kind of insulate it or wrap it in something that's pretty mundane. So that's a lot of what I try to do. You mentioned Keith, and he tries to always, you know, incorporate comedy into what he does, and he's very good at it.

I try to incorporate the everyday, you know, so that really is what my show is about.

No, that's awesome. And I've spoke about it many times on the podcast about how probably my favorite time of year is when I'm hunting and I'm forced to sit in that blind for six or eight hours by yourself, no phone, and you're just looking into God's creation.

You know, even Paul talks about being without excuse. You know, even the unbeliever can look to creation and see God's glorious work. And I think there's a reason why the Bible and the parables and Proverbs and Paul and all these guys use nature and creation to make some analogies for us in the kingdom.

And I can only imagine being on a 15 acre farm. Yeah, you're probably out there. And a lot of scriptures can come to mind, a lot of godly principles, character of God kind of stuff. When you're working the ground, you're in nature, you're in his creation.

So that's very cool that you can translate that to a podcast, which I absolutely love. But talking about, yeah, fodder in 24 or 23 and 24. I mean, it's still going on. You know, I was the same as you, you know, in I think my senior year of high school, I did my senior thesis on the buying of Congress.

You know, all the other kids were like doing it on Smashing Pumpkins or, you know, whatever their favorite rock band was. And my teacher went, really, you're going to do it on? And I said, yeah, there's a big problem.

It was 1999. You know, it's a big problem buying a Congress. It's only gotten worse. So I've always been interested in politics. But then I even realized even 10 years ago, I had to repent because it was becoming an idol.

I was going through my news feed and, you know, hours and hours a day and going, you know, I'm speaking truth to power. And as long as I'm, you know, saying, you know, this isn't right, then it's okay.

But God really convicted me and said, well, which one are you running to first, your news feed or to the word or to prayer time? So I backed off it a little bit. I still keep my thumb on the pulse of what's going on, but not quite as obsessed as I was before, because, as you know, it can become a never ending rabbit hole of just looking up, studying, replying.

Right. And I really wanted to be focused more on God and his things of the kingdom than what was going on in politics. Now, with that being said, we should be aware of what's going on, you know. But 2024, geez, even in the last month, I know we were going to talk.

We got all kinds of stuff we could throw around. We've got terrorist, domestic terrorist attacks going on, immigration, the Trump inauguration. We got stuff in the theology circle with the brother wars and the rise of white Christian nationalism, I guess you could say.

I don't know. Where do you want to start, man?

This could go for like four hours. Yeah, we would have it. And then we couldn't, we hadn't even mentioned, we did the time when you were on my show, we're both, you're still in real estate and I have a 20 year real estate background.

My family's been in real estate for three generations. So we can go there. We could just do it.

We can make a day of it. But are you still active in real estate? Quickly?

Yeah, I still have an active license in North and South Carolina. I don't really practice much anymore since I went full time at the church. My wife still is full time. She works.

Give her a shout out. Let the listeners know if they're in North or South Carolina, who they should call.

She works for D .R. Horton. So if you're looking for a D .R. Horton home in North Carolina, listen, reach out to us. Her name is Kristen Wing and we would love to help. My mom and my brother are still in the business.

So if you reach out to Corey Wing through Civically Minded, I can get you a great realtor in North or South Carolina, anywhere in those two states because we can refer them out. So thank you. I appreciate that.

But yeah, it's put bread on our table for many, many years and God has used it to be a real blessing to us. Going back to that nature thing, just quickly, I said earlier before we hit record that I'm up, we've got a little cabin up in the Appalachians, up in the Blue Ridge Mountains.

So that's one of the things when we come up here that you just, I mean, you talk, you can't escape it. You know what I mean? You get on the side of one of these mountains and you just can look out as far as the eye can see and you see just the most pristine and beautiful creation.

And you're just reminded that God is so much bigger than all of these. They're not small problems. I don't want to belittle the loss of now 15 lives in New Orleans and 30 plus injured. And of course, the Cybertruck incident in Las Vegas and Montenegro's had a mass shooting just today.

And I mean, there's just, there's problems everywhere, right? And I don't want to belittle those, but God is so much bigger than all of that stuff. And he's just, he's not turned his back on us. He's not out of control.

He's not, you know, somehow twiddling his thumbs or, you know, biting his nails going, oh, what's going on? I need to really step into history. Nope. He's never, scripture is very clear. He will never leave us nor forsake us.

This is all this product of the fall, of course. But one of the things that you also mentioned was, you know, we've had these two attacks in the last couple of days. There was another shooting up in Brooklyn or the Bronx, and I can't remember which, at a Jamaican nightclub overnight, and thankfully no one was killed, but there was a number of folks injured.

It seems to be a really turbulent, turbulent time. And William Wolfe, who you and I both are familiar with and know, he was in the previous Trump administration. He worked at the State Department and some other things.

Really, really brilliant, brilliant young man. He's now doing a lot through the Forum for Baptist Leadership, and I know that's not the exact right name. So forgive me, William, if you see this. But he's really involved in trying to rehab the Southern Baptist Convention, which desperately needs to be done.

But he said in a tweet today, if you're a family with small kids, stay out of the big cities, if at all possible, until the inauguration's over. And I think he's probably, sadly, very right. You know, I think it's going to get worse before it gets better.

I think there's a lot of people very upset with how November turned out, and they're feeling like they don't have a lot of agency and their voices aren't being heard, and they're terrified about what another administration from Trump might be like, even though the first one was not nearly as scary as they all would lead you to believe.

And they're lashing out, you know, and that's pretty sad. But that's the reality in which we're living. So I think William's probably on to something, you know, be wise, you know, and just protect yourselves, protect your family.

Federal Overreach, Domestic Terrorism, and Media Fearmongering

Well, look, very quickly, I mean, the big cities have set themselves up for this. I mean, they've become Democratic leftist bastions, gun-free zones, resources. I mean, the people outnumber the resources three, four, five to one at most times.

So if you were going They're also sanctuary cities, you know, so bring all the immigration.

Yeah, with no background check and who knows what's coming across the border. And I would also say, I mean, if you're talking about people who are politically motivated or living in this country that are natural born citizens and doing these types of crimes, who's to blame for that?

I would say you have a mainstream media that has just kind of ginned up this panic and fear. And it's really sad because then you look at half the country and you go, man, a lot of these people don't think for themselves.

They kind of are spoon-fed whatever agenda the mainstream media gives them. Without Christ, they obviously live in fear and anxiety. They have no peace, no joy. They can try to mimic it. And I did a piece on that, why the left always has to steal the fruits of the spirit and try to preach that to their minions.

Oh, it's a campaign of joy. Oh, love is love. Well, no, love and joy and peace, sound mind, those all belong to us as believers that Christ has given us through his spirit. So it's one of these things where they're trying to mimic what Christ gives you, but they're living in anxiety and fear and anxiousness and all these things.

And then you have the mainstream media that just spoon-feeds it, like I said, and you get some people that just break and snap and do horrible, heinous things. But with the, I'm calling them terrorist attacks at this point.

I know I think someone from the FBI came out and said, oh, no, this isn't a terrorist attack. But I guess when you have a bomb in your car or you run through people, you got an ISIS flag, maybe we should start labeling it a terrorist attack.

What are your thoughts on those two attacks? You probably know more about it than I do.

The one in New Orleans, I mean, as soon as I saw it, and one of my crosses that I bear, sadly, is I don't sleep well. I never really sleep much. I try. I give it a good old college effort. But I just always toss and turn.

So I was, you know, doom scrolling at five in the morning or whatever. And of course, that attack took place at like four something in the morning. And obviously, it was New Year's Day by that point, New Year's Eve.

So big celebrations. But I mean, let's be honest, it's New Orleans. It's not uncommon for New Orleans to be, you know, especially down on Bourbon Street, to be pretty rocking late into the night. You know, so immediately that story started coming out.

And of course, there was this flag on the back of the truck. The police wrapped that up in almost like a police rain tarp, you know, kind of the type of thing that they would wear almost as a poncho. You know, and they wrapped all that up.

And they were very, really dismissive and quiet about any kind of identification for the driver. And as soon as my wife woke up a number of hours later, and she started seeing the news, she asked me very similarly to what you just said, you know, what do you think about this?

And I said, this will end up being, you know, something terroristic as far as this is probably Islamic related. And I don't use the term radical Islam, because that's such a bull crap euphemism. Islam by nature is radicalized.

If you've met Muslims that aren't radical, then you've met people that aren't even that Muslim, to be brutally honest, because the Muslim religion is a religion of radical jihad. And they constantly want to overthrow other religions and other nations, and they'll do it by any means necessary.

So I try to call a spade a spade. So I said early on, I think this will be that the fact that they're guarding both that flag and the identification of the driver means it's probably going to be someone of color, and it's probably going to be something of terror.

And she said, well, why? And I said, because if it was a white guy with a Trump flag, they'd have already said it in the first 10 minutes, because that fits their narrative. They want it to be a white guy with a Trump flag.

I mean, so and I know that what I just said is going to be, you know, people can clip that and make me sound like some xenophobic. I don't care. I mean, that if you're too blind to see the truth of that, I'll do it.

I'll do it for you.

There's no such thing as bad press. Come on, let's get the civically minded in the top 100. Let's make you a racist.

That's it. I mean, if you're too blind to see the reality of that, then you're blind. You know, and so you go back to kind of what you were saying about the spoon fed stuff from the media. And sadly, I see this in the church all the time, too, from from well-meaning Christians who are just lazy and they go to their churches, whether they're good, solid churches or sadly, sometimes they're not so good church and they just take whatever is said from the pulpit as just gospel.

And scripture even tells us that's a dangerous thing to do. You know, Paul commends the Bereans for being more noble than those of Thessalonica. And he says what makes them more noble is that they go back and check even what he what Paul himself would say and check it against scripture and say, is this actually biblical?

Is this actually true? And honestly, more people need to be doing that at church. And you need to be doing that in your in your everyday life. Don't just spoon feed, whether it's Newsmax or Fox News or CNN or MSNBC.

I don't care who you watch. Be very conscientious about, you know, cross checking some of that stuff with with now alternative media and just some of your own due diligence, because there's just a lot of gaslighting that has been going on for so long, because one of the easiest things to overtake is a dumbed down, lazy and uninformed populace.

Yeah, no, absolutely. And it's disappointing because. You know, politically speaking, as a limited government constitutionalist that probably has some libertarian leanings, you really want to believe in the populace, you want to believe in the voters and the taxpayers and the constituency, and you really hate the politicians that are apathetic towards voters and kind of use them as they need and, you know, make them malleable to whatever it is they want.

But once you serve or you're even around, let's say, state houses or Washington, D .C., you start to realize that you become a little jaded and you go, wow, there's a huge part of the population that is just uneducated in real basic things.

And if you're not careful, you can really start to despise the public. You can start to go, well, they don't know even know what's best for them, as a parent says to a child. And it's a really hard balancing act.

No, you're good. It's a really hard balancing act for me to to make sure you're not saying, well, I just discount all those people who don't agree with me. But then at the same time, sometimes can't even basic common sense stuff.

And they're you know, they haven't been taught it or brought up that way or educational public educational system has failed us. And you go, man, we could really get into some dangerous parts of here.

And I think we are in dangerous parts of the country because the electorate is so uneducated.

I agree. And the only and I say pushback, it's more of just kind of a I think you would agree with me, but some would say in our circles that the public education system has not failed. It's done exactly what it was designed to do, you know, that it's it's done everything that it was meant to do, which is to educate a population, a population, pardon me, to be more statist and more trusting of the big brother entity that is has become the federal government.

I know that, again, studying a lot of U .S. history, my wife and I have have talked numerous times about our founding era. And she's like, you'd have probably been like an anti-federalist, wouldn't you?

I was like, gosh, that's a hard it's I that's a very hard question. There's there is something very noble and I think very healthy about federalism. I think the loose collective that was the original colonies was great for a early nation that was still finding its way.

I don't know that that kind of. You know, Greek nation state kind of pattern would really work in a modern context with 50 states and then also other protectorate territories like Guam and Puerto Rico and other things we have.

Federalism, Anti-Federalism, and the Growth of the Administrative State

Really quick. For those listening, give us like the two sentence definition of federalism and anti-federalism for those that might not know. Oh, goodness.

I don't know that I could do it as well as like, again, William or maybe even yourself. You serve in government, sir. Federalism was the idea that that there needed to be a kind of federal government that is more centralized and has certain rights and powers.

And then the anti-federalists were the ones that pushed back and said that more states were kind of appropriate and we needed to keep a check on federal government and any kind of centralized power. Because the big fear of the anti-federalists was that once we centralized power with a federal government system, it would just continue to balloon.

It would continue to grow. It would continue to kind of become this almost unstoppable behemoth. And it's easy to now in early 2025 look at that and go, maybe the anti-federalists weren't so stupid.

No, it's absolutely happened. It's politically speaking, probably the reason for 95 of our ails right now. You know this. You look at our states and the way they were set up. Our states were set up as little countries.

Our governor is the president. We have a chamber of House and Senate in every state. You have an executive, judicial, and legislative. And the federal government, even for those that were federalists, were very, very limited.

It was like wartime protection. Not until we got into the mid -1800s were we talking even about commerce and interstate commerce and things like that. And it was funny because I just, we did a live stream together.

When was that? For Christmas. And I think you were there and William, or no, not William. Davis Younts came on and said, I would eliminate the Department of Justice. And we all went, what? And he had a really good point to that, to where states could control, you know, administering their punishment for crimes and things like that.

You don't need this overreaching federal department. And then when you start looking at Department of Education, right, you've got doubled up departments like CIA, NSA, FBI, ATF, National Intelligence Department, like all these different huge departments that really could either be combined or reduced to 10 of what it actually is.

It's pretty crazy how far we've come off of what the founding fathers, even like I said, even the federalists, I think, would, if you dropped one of them in 2025, they might go, well, this isn't what I imagined.

You know, I don't like the fact that when I pay taxes, it goes up to Lansing at my state house for every dollar that I give them. They give the federal government and then we get 92 cents back and we're funding the roads in North Dakota and we have horrible roads in Michigan.

You got this weird payer system. And then of course, for those listening to, if they want to know how it works, the federal government hangs it over your head. Hey, you want your money back that you got from your residents?

Then you got to do X, Y, and Z. This is how they have mandates, right? A federal mandate is not a law because the federal government, the executive cannot create laws, only Congress can constitutionally.

So they come to the states and they go, hey, we do have a law that says you're giving us all your money or most of it through intergovernmental revenue sharing. We're not going to give it back to you unless you do these mandates.

And every state legislator will tell you, well, that's not the law, but that's the mandate. Well, it effectively works as a law when you're strong arming me and essentially extorting us for our tax money to say, oh, you need to implement these DEI.

You need to implement this trans stuff. You need to implement this abortion stuff. You need to implement these things, or we're not giving you back the money that you gave to us. And that's not the way the country was set up or should ever be ran to where the federal government is doling out money back to the states.

Really, it was for a very limited role, like I was saying, mostly for protection. It was mostly for military. So the United States could come together as one to protect its borders, which now we don't even know what our borders are really.

Well, you've got, I mean, as far back as like the Barbary pirates, you know, off the coast of Tripoli. I mean, that's really one of the first instances where it was really the first war that the Marines were involved in.

And you get to see that the government at that time said, now we are something. We are a nation. You know, we were still so young at that point that it was kind of feeling everything out. What are we going to be?

And so that was really the first time that there was a federal presence that said, this is a real problem. And again, people don't even know what that battle even is or that it's small. I don't even want to call it a war because we so decisively went over and kicked the crap out of them.

But the Barbary pirates had kidnapped and then sold into slavery over a million, you know, mostly Europeans. The word slave actually comes from Slav or Slavic. So I always laugh when people act like slavery is some unique American crime that we invented, you know, in the 16 and 1700s.

I think, no, no, it's been around much, much longer than that. And the Bible does speak to man stealing. It was punishable by death, even in the Old Testament. So I hate when people say, well, the Bible is OK with with, you know, that kind of.