January 4, 2023 Show with Emilio Ramos on “Transhumanism & the Need for an Updated Apologetic”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com. This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this fourth day of January, 2023, our very first live program of the new year.

And I'm excited to have back on the program a returning guest. It's been quite a while since he's been on the program. His name is Emilio Ramos, he's an author, he's the founder of Red Grace Media, and the teaching pastor of a new church plant in Frisco, Texas called City View Church.

Today we're going to be addressing a very controversial issue, an issue that a lot of our listeners might not even know how serious an issue this is. It may seem as if we are discussing urban legends or conspiracy theories that are out of this planet, but the things that we are going to address today are really happening, and we are on the brink of some very bizarre things in our future.

And we're going to be discussing transhumanism and the need for an updated apologetic. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Emilio Ramos.

Hey, it's good to be with you, Chris. God bless you. Always great. It has been a little bit of a time since I've been here, but it's always good to see you and it's good to talk to you.

Well, I'll let our listeners know about Red Grace Media.

Oh, sure. Yeah. Well, Red Grace Media is just an old ministry of mine, really started out as a blog and has now kind of become a ministry that focuses on media content, filmmaking. You know, some time ago I made a film called Unpopular with James White and Paul Washer.

I've also kind of partnered with AGTV, which I think you are aware of, but the American Gospel Films and now AGTV, the live streaming service. And I've got different media projects on that platform as well.

You know, one of the passions that I have is producing theological content that is also very cinematic in terms of its quality. And, you know, I recently did a project with Lane Tipton, The Biblical Theology of the Mountain of God.

People can find that on AGTV as well. But yeah, so Red Grace is just a great ministry for media content creation. And I have lots of stuff coming in the near future here.

Well, if anybody wants more details on Red Grace Media, go to redgracemedia .com, redgracemedia .com. And I'm just guessing, but the name Red Grace, does that have anything to do with the blood of Christ?

No, actually, no, it's an abbreviation for Redemptive Grace.

Oh, okay. Well, that does involve the blood of Christ.

Not the color, not emphasizing the color.

Okay.

Well, that would be a great answer anyway, even if it was.

Yeah.

Yeah, I could go with it.

Well, tell us also about this new church plant, City View Church of Frisco, Texas.

Well, we're just a small church just starting out. And I've planted a couple churches in North Texas, in the Fort Worth area and the Dallas area here. And City View is now the place where I am fulfilling my calling, I believe, to be a preacher and expositor and evangelist and to disciple the body of Christ with the truths of Reformed theology.

But we're a small congregation at this point, and we're just starting out. We don't have a website, but all of those things will be forthcoming.

And your wife, Trish, she operates a ministry called Fish with Trish. Tell us about that.

Oh, does she? I didn't know that. She hasn't done anything for Fish with Trish in a while. Actually, my wife right now has an incredible ministry called Realistinct, and she's a realtor here in North Dallas.

So if any of your listeners are moving here, make sure to reach out to my wife on Facebook or something. But my wife's ministry is just evangelistic. And it's funny because even in real estate, her ministry is so overtly Christian that people in the real estate world just really don't know what to do with her.

But the Lord is blessing her business, and we really, really look at it as a ministry because so much ministry has come out of that. Families, friendships that have been formed, ministries that have happened because of real estate.

It's just kind of wild, but that's what she is really focusing on now. And of course, with the new church plant, my wife is going to be fully invested in the church as well.

Great.

And if anybody has any questions about transhumanism, not transgenderism, transhumanism. Most people, as soon as you get the word started, trans, they're probably automatically, tragically and horrifically these days, automatically, instantly thinking, oh, transgenderism, right?

No, transhumanism is what we're talking about today. Something perhaps equally as sinister. But if you have any questions about that and the need for an updated apologetic, according to our guest, Emilia Ramos.

Our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. As always, give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

And please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. I'd also like to direct our listeners, after this live show, if you want to hear a program that we did on Iron Sharp and Zion Radio five years ago, back in 2017, we had David Herbert on the program, the author of Becoming God, Transhumanism and the Quest for Cybernetic Immortality.

And we have not done a follow-up program on that subject since then. So you might want to just put down in a note somewhere to look that program up, David Herbert, H-E-R-B-E-R-T, and that interview will come up when you type that into the search engine.

Defining Transhumanism and the Urgency Behind the Topic

Well, for the sake of our listeners who are very unfamiliar with this theme, could you please define transhumanism?

Sure.

Transhumanism in the most basic definition is just augmenting or enhancing humans with the use of technology. According to some of the more popular transhumanists that are actually advocates of transhumanism, they have much more extensive definitions of what transhumanism is, just in terms that transhumanism is actually a philosophical and intellectual cultural movement that's directly from the transhumanist reader, Max Moore, and also, obviously, Natasha Vita-Moore, just for people that know.

Matter of fact, the episode that you referenced that you did some years ago, back then, you guys did talk about Natasha Vita-Moore. I remember that. And of course, the transhumanist reader is where not only her writings are found, but also her husband, Max Moore.

And there, he talks about transhumanism being exactly that, it is a cultural movement, it is a philosophical movement about life, and it all focuses on how to move the current human condition forward through the use of applied reason, as they would say, but ultimately culminating in available technology and the technology that we have available to us today, which was not the technology that was available five years ago or 10 years ago because it's changing so quickly.

But that really is what transhumanism is, a philosophical intellectual movement that seeks to enhance humans through the use of technology. That would be, I guess, one way I would define it.

Now, what was the sense of urgency that led you to really dive into this subject and study it and become more familiar with it and begin warning about it and teaching about it, and to the point where you wanted to discuss this on my program today?

Oh, you know, what's funny about that is that I think we all have had a sense of urgency regarding transhumanism ever since you were exposed to your first sci-fi movie or even like a horror action film like The Terminator, right?

Going all the way back to the 80s, where you're aware that the potential is there for some sort of technological monstrosity that gets out of control and seeks to kill us all, whether it's an artificial robot or Skynet or whatever.

But here recently, I think what led me to a more concentrated focus on transhumanism is the convergence of not only the explosion of technology, Chris, but also the emergence of globalism. We really cannot talk about transhumanism without also talking about globalism and the implications of an increasing globalist way of thinking and everything from a socio-economic to an eco-spirituality that is emerging today.

And that this is why in our conversation about this, I talked about the need for a new apologetic and kind of updating our apologetics. But once I saw that we are being kind of fast-tracked into a globalist way of thinking, where everything is reduced to one, and whether it's in the area, again, of economics or it's in the area of sort of identity politics, everything that we have seen in terms of the sexuality debates, the gender debates, those kinds of things, and to know that there is actually a globalist agendas, and that those globalist agendas rely very heavily on the rolling out of transhumanist technologies and banking on the fact that we will enhance ourselves through technology down to the point that we rely on implantable technology for our commerce, so in our economy and our finances, so maybe getting ahead of ourselves a little bit.

But I think those things coming together increasingly. And then I would say probably the other thing would be once I identified that many of our leading global companies, wealthiest, most powerful companies in the world are heavily invested in transhumanist technology, that also gave me a reason to pause.

And then I began reading books on it, and now I am immersed, completely immersed in it.

Where Christian Bioethics Draws the Line

And what is the issue about this that would, in your opinion, cross the line in the realm of bioethics from something that is not only completely acceptable within a Christian world view, a biblical world view, but something to be celebrated?

You know, there might be things going on that we are not even aware of where scientists and physicians are coming up with new ways to make life much more enjoyable and tolerable for quadriplegics, let's say, or paraplegics, or people with all kinds of disabilities.

And yes, folks, as far as those folks that I know who have disabilities or handicaps, they don't complain about using those terms at all. So for the sake of you who are getting upset that I'm using those descriptions, the people that I know who have spent their lives in a wheelchair and have other limitations physically don't mind those labels.

But as far as those kinds of things are concerned, what would you say, all right, this is wonderful and fine. I'm excited about this progression and these new developments in science. But then there's this area where you're saying, wait a minute, that's just way too far.

That violates biblical principles, et cetera. What are we talking about here as far as the union of technology and the human body and the human mind?

That's a great question. That's almost like the million-dollar question there, because it asks the question of when do we move into the area of concern and where we can actually legitimately say that biblically something is in conflict, let's say, that we've come to a point of conflict between the transhumanist worldview and the biblical worldview, let's say.

And there are many factors, actually, that inform the answer to that question, at least for me. For me, one of those would be the worldview question. And when you understand that transhumanism is built on a particular worldview, it is not a neutral enterprise.

It is not a neutral starting point that transhumanism is operating off of. It is absolutely committed to post-Enlightenment rationalism. It is absolutely committed to an evolutionary presupposition in the way that you interpret cosmology.

It is absolutely committed to the idea that is—philosophically speaking, Chris, it is an anti-fundamentalist movement. It is a movement that says that there is nothing fundamental in existence, that human nature, for example, and the essence of humanness is not a fundamental reality, let's say, rooted in the image of God, but that the image of—that the nature of human beings can actually be changed and should be.

This is maybe one of the more pertinent issues, is that it's not that it can be. It's that the transhumanist agenda, or what I call the transhumanist dream, stipulates that people can not only be enhanced by technology, but there's a moral component they should be.

And that in the literature, for example, the transhumanist reader, there are scores of articles written of all the moral supremacy, why it is superior to augment yourself versus to rely on your old evolution.

And so when you see the evolutionary presuppositions, when you understand the anti-fundamentalist ideals that fly right in the face of the image of God theology that we believe in, and when you understand the trajectory that the transhumanist movement is on, there is a book written by a good Reformed author.

His name is Jacob Schatzer. He wrote a book called Transhumanism and the Image of God. Now, one of his central focus is the concept of morphological freedom, and whether or not morphological freedom is just a fancy term for saying whether or not you have the freedom to change, and that the transhumanist movement eventually is going to get into the realm of the loss of morphological freedom.

And this is why I kind of started out by talking about the factor of globalism, because technology is not necessarily economic, but globalism is. And so when the global economy is moving in a transhumanist direction, and if you would like to keep up with the global economy, you're going to have to imbibe transhumanist thought and transhumanist technology.

And therefore, you will enter into a moment in time where you will be challenged in terms of your morphological freedom. My personal conviction is that the next 10 years, probably every Christian family, if not every family in the world, will have to discuss the decision to get implantable technology or not.

Now, you're talking about completely healthy people that don't require something to improve their lives, like the aforementioned quadriplegic, paraplegic, somebody who has had severe brain damage in an accident, all those kind of things.

Well, I'll try to explain the hypocrisy of that line of thinking. The recent announcement and presentation by the company Neuralink, which is owned by Elon Musk, you may have seen it. I watched the entire two-hour presentation of what they revealed there in terms of a viable BMI technology, brain machine interface technology, where they are proposing to put an implantable chip or a piece of hardware into your skull that is connected to the cloud or the Internet, and this thing will augment you.

And that was presented as an incredible step forward for exactly the type of physical maladies that you described. But the hypocrisy in this is that Elon Musk then came forth and said, I hope that the next time we talk about this, I will be wearing one of these or possessing one of these computer chips in my own skull.

Now, the last time I checked, Elon Musk is not a quadriplegic. So why would he be offering up coming out and parading himself on a stage with a computer chip in his head if he's perfectly healthy? It's because that's always the plan.

We're not just recent weeks here, both Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates, some of the wealthiest people on the planet, literally just invested hundreds of millions of dollars into BMI technology in a company known as Synchron, a competitor of Neuralink.

You're not spending hundreds of billions, millions of dollars into this technology all for the purpose of helping people with disabilities. I promise you that. And it's not even that's not even the stated goal.

Chris, in the literature, in the articles, in the globalist literature, they are openly, nakedly, brazenly telling us that the application of this technology has nothing to do with just helping people with their physical disabilities or neurological disorders.

They want to augment humanity in the preparation for something much, much bigger.

Hive Mind Technology and the Globalist Dream

Like a super human race, something like that.

Well, I'll give you an example of a potential. Um, one of the things is you get invested in researching transhumanism, uh, globalism, technological singularity, however you would want to phrase that, um, is that you start researching TED talks.

TED talks is one of the stage, uh, one of the, um, you know, it's one of the places where a lot of these, uh, sort of cutting edge ideas are presented. They're presented in a very sort of easy consumable kind of way, non-threatening type of way.

And these are presentations done by professionals, uh, that are, are wanting to advance an idea or to promote a technology or something like that. And sometimes those presentations can be very interesting.

I'd say that most of the time they're interesting, but when I started researching this, you can't imagine how many presentations have been done on concepts like transhumanism. And one of the, one of the recent presentations that was done was regarding hive mind technology.

Uh, it's not just helping you again, overcome physical limitations, but the, the idea that has been advanced by leading transhumanists is that we will then also be connected to the cloud in some sort of universal cosmic network.

Okay. And this is how you started your show. But now by now, if we don't sound sci-fi enough, dystopian enough, I mean, we do now, right. But that, that is what is being proposed. And so, for example, in 2018, um, the, the organization, uh, known as the world government summit, uh, rolled out an entire presentation on hive mind technology and how we will all be connected.

This was done in Dubai, uh, uh, and that this technology will, uh, connect us to one artificially generated avatar.

This is hive like a beehive.

Like a beehive. Yes, sir. Hive mind, which means there's a collective mind that we're all connected to one collective central network, a technological network, a network of data. Um, and maybe we can get to data ism in a moment, but, uh, you know, this, this, uh, this world government summit, uh, at the end of their short presentation on this hive mind technology said 8 billion people on the planet are our customer.

So they want everyone connected to the hive mind technology. Now, how far away is this kind of technology? I don't think anybody knows for certain, but maybe we can get into some important timestamps regarding transhumanism.

Well, we're going to go to our first station break right now. And once again, if you have a question for Emilio Ramos on transhumanism on bioethics on, uh, in fact, since he is a pastor, if you have a pastoral question, uh, we would welcome that, but we don't want to take too many questions that are, uh, too outside of what we are trying to focus on today.

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We are discussing transhumanism and the need for an updated apologetic. Our email address is chrisarns and at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, your city and state and country of residence.

Before I go to any listener questions, I just wanted to get something clarified from you. I may have overstepped in my description of today's program by saying to our listeners that these things are going on.

What I meant by that was that they are being seriously discussed. They are being financially supported and funded. But what actually has already been created and has been established as a bona fide device or any other way you want to describe it when it comes to the transhumanism worldview, ideology and efforts that are going on with Elon Musk and others?

Well, there's various technologies that are already in place, that are already under development. And then there's kind of more ambitious technologies that are being proposed. Of course, there are artificial intelligent technologies the world over at this point.

Artificial intelligence is already, in a sense, a transhumanist type of technology in the sense that it extends our reach. It enhances our knowledge. It enhances our ability to compute at a more astronomical rate than ever before.

It allows us to predict behavior, predict thinking, predict patterns in human life and society. And that level of technological sophistication is all around us. It's what controls our streetlights. It is what controls many of our shopping experience online.

It is what Google uses as artificial intelligent algorithms that suggest to you what you should buy next. It predicts what you will do as a consumer based on what you've done in the past. That kind of technology is already full swing.

I mean, we are already entering augmented technology definitely just in terms of the use of such technologies as a cell phone, a smartwatch, a Fitbit, as well as smart appliances in our home, such as a ring doorbell, a smart refrigerator, a smart speaker, and those kinds of things.

All of these things right now are technologies which in your previous episode on transhumanism, the gentleman that you had on there did a good job of explaining the various levels of technology in terms of things that go above the skin versus things that are aimed to go beneath the skin.

And wearable technology, external technology is something that is already there. What the transhumanists want at this point, however, is technology that goes beneath the skin that enters into our very biology.

I don't know if you heard, but in 2022, December, not December 11th, but not 9 -11, but 9 -12, there was an executive order that was released by the White House, official executive order by the Biden administration on bioengineering.

And the opening statement of that executive order stated in no uncertain terms, we will program human cells the way we program computer software. Some people that are in the conversation of bioengineering said that that was the darkest day in the history of America and that we just don't know it yet.

But these are the kind of ported now technologies that we're looking at. We're looking at technology that becomes increasingly miniature, technology that becomes increasingly imperceptible to the human eye.

And of course, leading all the way up to nanotechnology, which is a technology on the level of a blood cell that is then programmed and injected. But where really this is heading is in the direction of intelligence.

It was John Irving Good who said, this super intelligent machine is the last invention that man need to make. And of course, because by the time you get to super intelligence, we are no longer programming the computers to be intelligent.

We are now on the cusp of the kind of intelligence where computers are programming themselves. We're not there yet, but we're reaching that tipping point where we're moving away from artificial intelligence and we're moving to what's known as artificial general intelligence.

And general intelligence is certainly the point of computing intelligence where the machines are as smart or smarter than human beings. And so you have transhumanists that are committed to the idea that the future is actually determined by the machines, not by human beings.

Now, some transhumanists are completely sold on this idea completely there and they have no reservations about it. Somebody, a respected scientist, such as Hans Marvich in his book, Mind Children, has written about the future, the extreme future, we could say, let's say 100, 200 years from now, where he believes, and he is advancing a proposal where robotics become the children of our mind and they leave us behind, as it were, they leave us in the dustbin of history and that we need to embrace, this is actually what he teaches in his books, or this is what he, these are some of the ideas that he advances, that we must, like proud parents, that we must see our robotic children off into the distant future and that we better prepare to simply admire them as they leave us behind.

I mean, this is, you can't make this up, but these are the kind of books that such respected transhumanists, no less than Ray Kurzweil, is also citing from and pulling from and endorsing. So, I mean, think of that.

I mean, we have some of the leading transhumanist people telling us technology is coming such that humans will be left behind and that the artificially intelligent machines will lead the future of the universe.