Jew Hatred, Sacralism, and Crashing the Net by Mentioning Leighton Flowers

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Well greetings welcome to the dividing line we're still here in Ridiculously hot

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Phoenix, Arizona I I you know to be honest with you. I've stopped looking at the weather because it's just sort of like it's

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I don't think it's it's a hundred and five right now and 107 tomorrow oh

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Okay, I do see a 99 next Thursday But that's just I've just discovered.

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Yeah, I've just discovered that once you get past about seven days Rest of it's just they're just putting what the standard for this time of year is they don't know what it's in it

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So yeah, yeah, I don't see any lows in the 60s all right

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Getting a little tired of it, but hey, I'm gonna be pulling out of here in a couple weeks But I'm gonna be down south so it's not like I'm gonna be you know going up north where it's gonna be a whole lot cooler, that's like me 105 any of those places, but Anyway looking forward to that the debate coming up Thesis I've read it before but my recollection is it's the only

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True way to worship. God is through the Roman Catholic Mass Concept I appreciate debating a

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Roman Catholic who actually believes more Roman Catholicism than the Pope But that's the problem

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Ecclesiastically speaking and yeah, that's that's that's gonna. That's gonna come up I think in the debate that I don't think the

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Pope would would agree with the thesis statement At least not the way Pope's did hundred years ago

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But that's coming up and then the fight laugh feast Get together

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I predict interesting conversations between sessions and maybe after sessions at restaurants or whatever

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Thankfully I'm Since I have my RV That's where I'm staying

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So so if I don't want to get mobbed at the hotel restaurant

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There is no hotel restaurant I've got my my Stouffer's beef and macaroni frozen meals in the refrigerator in the freezer and And they're wonderful.

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They're great. They're fantastic. I may Well, I still need to actually need to contact our friends at Carolina's to get my my machaca my mini machaca burrows to take but I may cook up some some

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Turkey meat to take with me freeze some of it just to throw it into the ground turkey meat into my beef and macaroni

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It's great. Wonderful. Love it Stouffer's beef and macaroni Tastes almost identical to what my mom used to make we called it goulash.

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It's not goulash goulash is a technical thing, but she called it goulash and I always loved that and So once I found that that stuff, oh, this is a taste from a taste from the past So long long ago,

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I'm good. So anyways, that's coming up that trips coming up and then we're gonna be heading for Home for like two and a half weeks then back out on the road to prior,

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Oklahoma And then I'm actually gonna be having Thanksgiving with Derek Melton Because we're doing we

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We had to move it up and so I'm gonna get to have two Thanksgivings this year, that's pretty cool.

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What do you think about it? and Then off to st. Charles and the G star and the folks at Covenant of Grace Church There in st.

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Charles, who knows we might have some interesting people show up since we're gonna be talking about the LGBTQ I a

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XYZ One two three revolution and All the stuff that goes along with that and the new books that have come out.

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I will definitely Probably forget take this with me. I probably should just go ahead and grab it now or I will forget it but The new

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Hayes and Hayes book. I will be talking about that and that'll be coming up the first full weekend in in December and Possibility exists

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We don't have details on it and I've run it up to Utah Maybe even before New Year's, but maybe just after New Year's we'll see

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And doing some stuff with apology Utah up there obviously That would be look at the weather app and hope it's right try to try to dodge the blizzards because You know, it'd be one thing to drive my big old four -wheel drive truck

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Do a blizzard, but when it's got 16 ,000 pounds attached to the rear end, that's a whole different different ballgame

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I don't even know how long it would take to stop that thing in those types of conditions Very very long distance.

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I would I would imagine so so yeah, we've got some some trips coming up there and If you're in those areas we'll be looking forward to seeing you then

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I Look I Mentioned this on Twitter this morning

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I don't I don't know what to believe I know if the government says that I'm not gonna believe it these days and it's a it's it's right for an election and I'm seeing stuff

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Maybe you had the same experience. I did this morning. Did you see the picture? Someone put a meme up with Zelensky smiling broadly

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And all that kind of stuff in Washington and Then the contrast picture is this

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Cherub like little girl soaking wet Looking utterly forlorn and crying holding a little puppy in a with a life preserver on obviously from the floods after the hurricane and Then all of a sudden you're seeing all this was just a

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I generate that's just a I generated okay, and then I saw like three or four of her and It's like okay.

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Yeah that some things have changed. So yeah, it does look like it was a I generated But how do you know?

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I mean, okay, the consensus now is that she was a I generated but how

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How do you recognize that? I saw and There was another meme

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I saw Oh, it had a picture from London like a hundred years ago and Then it had a picture of a street in London and it said

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The styles of dress have changed greatly in London and what it was was a huge crowd of Muslims in London and okay

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I have personally experienced How much London has changed

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I you all may remember this was not quite ten years ago, I Think it was probably 2017 maybe somewhere around there

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I got on the tube in Wandsworth and Got off near the largest mosque in London where I did a debate and You walk out of the underground out of the tube and You are in a different country

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The the signs on the buildings are in Arabic You don't hear any

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English around you Yeah, it was a massive

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Culture shock really to recognize You know, I was only on the tube for 20 minutes and you're now in another completely different culture

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But when I looked at this meme, I'm like Something doesn't look right here and I don't know why

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AI does this and I'm sure they'll fix it eventually but when

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AI Remember the the Was wasn't more than a month ago there was the picture of an alleged crowd waiting for Kamala Harris and When you zoomed in on it

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No, it wasn't the airplane one that one that one was pretty cool because it was the reflections that proved that it was that it

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Was photoshopped and it was fake. No, this was one of the crowd itself But what you do is when you zoom in on the crowd the farther you get back in the crowd the more

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People with three heads and their faces all distorted and and you know, maybe they do show up at Kamala Harris rallies that That I'm gonna say that because that's what they really look like it's kind of right out of Walking Dead, you know

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Yeah, yeah, yeah But no for some reason

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AI I think it's tired producing faces so the smaller small they get the more they start looking all crazy stuff and so I remember that one

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I zoomed in on the one in London and The farther back you got you had all this.

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Yeah, so it was all AI generated. It was fake So, okay

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AI will eventually fix that So, how are you gonna know?

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How are you gonna be able to tell and Both sides are doing this That the left is doing it and people on the right are doing it

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So, let's say the the little girl with the puppy Which really is absolutely designed to just you know, rip your heart out

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Because There have probably been little girls and little puppies who have died and are dying right now seemingly through the incompetence of or the purposeful incompetence of the current regime

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But that's just it when a Friend of the ministry a real good friend of ministry mentioned.

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I don't think it was yesterday of day before yesterday That it looks to him like a lot of the commentary

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Being posted in response to my stuff in social media May be AI generated

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But I'm not actually talking to human being And again, this is not something I'm sort of like why would anyone take the time because you still have to have a human being go

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Respond to this guy type stuff. You still have to have that happening but I Not that kind of a techie person and so Especially when computer people start using all sorts of acronyms assuming that everybody else knows all the acronyms and we don't

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I got lost pretty quick, but I think the idea was that somebody had tricked

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This AI thing into actually responding to them and And hence, you know the odd the issue is

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How much of your frustration on Twitter is because you're arguing with the computer Because for me it's like how can people be so stupid because it's a computer that's why

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That's sort of what the issue is But we're right before an election

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How can you You know when when? I'll see I'll see stuff coming out about people trying to go in and trying to rescue people, but then they're being threatened with with arrest

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And we're not sending in anything from Fort Bragg Which is right nearby and they have all the equipment that they could do this with and FEMA says we ain't got nothing left.

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Why? Because they've given all their money to illegal aliens to illegal invaders Who are given ridiculous amounts of money far more than any of our veterans are given

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For invading our country, which is the most wild act of treason

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I can if Show me a worse act of treason than to throw the borders open and then give all of our money to the invaders it's just But when but when you see people talking about that all of a sudden you get this pushback and it just you just go

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So who's telling the truth? We don't have a media any longer. We don't have journalists any longer any journalists that function now exist outside of Anything it'd be called mainstream.

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I mean ABC CBS NBC. They're just In 40 years ago, they would have had to have registered as Functionaries of the

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Democratic Party because that's what they're doing. They're they're just they're this the advertisement wing of the

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Democratic Party and So it's really hard to to know what to believe

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You know, you see the stories about what's going on here in the state of Arizona where they won't take people off the rolls that aren't actually citizens and You know in violation law and you just left feeling so completely helpless.

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I Mean, I may not even get the vote in this one because I'm not gonna be here. I've requested a ballot nothing's shown up Nothing's shown up so Be honest with you

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Even if it did I don't think it's gonna count. I don't think it'd even be counted But that's because I live in Arizona and Arizona is extremely compromised

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Maricopa County, especially but Tucson as well. I mean any place with U of A and ASU It's just you're stuck with those universities and the black hole of moral and ethical thinking.

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So it's a It's a it's a challenging time for Christians to know how to respond to this information and One thing's for certain.

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I'm awful glad You know people are always going. I don't know how you can live your life

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Based upon what was written two thousand years ago and I just look back at him Oh, and you're living a life based upon what you don't even know is true being written today

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I'm glad what I have doesn't change And doesn't have to get you know, well,

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I know I'm hearing you King James only guys out there. Oh No, it doesn't There is there is there is a true blessing to having a

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Consistent revelation from God that men and women of God have possessed in every generation that's

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That's a wonderful thing that's a that's a very very good thing and I think we should be thankful for it.

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Um Let me I'm not going to comment because I have not had a chance to finish

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Listening to it. I've only heard a little bit of it, but It looks like there's gonna have to be more discussion at some point

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About some comments that I made a couple months ago About Holocaust denial

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Jew hatred and Jew mockery and church discipline Let me just say for now what

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I meant then and what I mean now is I was talking about someone who would not repent of Mocking The sinful murder of human beings based upon Ethnic origin or ethnic status and so if someone will repent of such things

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Obviously, that's the whole point of church discipline is to bring about Repentance and the purity of the church is got to be included in there as well

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That's vitally important but you know, I made those comments in the last road trip and That's what started off all the red avatar blue -eyed guys going crazy and and blocking more people on Twitter than I'd ever blocked before and blocking more people 1689 in their bio than ever before and all the rest that kind of stuff, but The The fact the matter is there there

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There is sadly a Tremendous amount of willingness to buy into This the

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Jews are behind everything they own everything they run everything Conspiracy thinking that you see in stone choir and groups like this and One thing that I Have now learned very fully

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I once believed that reformed people had a bulwark

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Against Well against the woke nonsense for example and in 2018

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I admitted this in in numerous I had a bunch of people asking really since that last incident as well

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Have you ever admitted to be wrong about anything? Yeah and one of the things that I admitted to be wrong about was thinking that because We are so committed to solo scriptura

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That we would we would not give into the kind of woke nonsense that has decimated so many churches and ostensibly evangelical churches even in our lifetime and That I was wrong about that.

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Now, it could be part of that could be that we didn't That that I was wrong that there was as much of a dedication to solo scriptura as I thought that there was and Unfortunately, I have seen that in my own close plan of Theological orientation

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I Have sadly seen that there are many who are willing to adopt a

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Less vibrant Definition of solo scriptura than then one that I've certainly defended over the years

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My debates with Roman Catholics and Mormons and Muslims and everybody else So, yeah, we have admitted we thought that would stop stuff like this and The same thing is true here

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It it does astonish me and I think part of it we've talked a lot about the gospel the gospel the gospel the gospel, but if you're not defining it, and if you're not

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Defending the definitional elements of it. It's easy to turn the gospel into this whitewash you just Just put it on there.

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Everything will be fine. I Can never do that You know just mentions atop the program in less than a month.

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I think it's three weeks from tomorrow No But I think it's 26 so Yeah, you're we're only talking two weeks away now.

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Um, I Will be defending a key element of the gospel

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Which is the all -sufficient once -for -all nature of the atoning work of Christ on the cross and so people might have this vague idea of the gospel, but I'm talking about the gospel as it as it is honed and Delineated and clarified in The furnace of trial and tribulation and fire and most evangelicals haven't been there

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You know most evangelicals, you know, I I thinking about those first Moran missionaries

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I met with recently and thinking about We had them over for for dinner once Kelly and I had only been married a few months at the time and we sat in My little teeny tiny office thing

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And at the time my book library I don't think it was any larger than what's in the background here as far as the number of books that I had

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Okay, so I was just starting my addiction point in time to buying books and because there weren't any electronic books or anything like that back then and I Remember fielding their objections and recognizing and This is not the kind of stuff we we talk about in church

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We don't most most of the people I know would not be able to respond to what these guys are saying

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And these are just two more missionaries you know, um

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And so it it just seems to me that since we don't get out It's one of the things look

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I'm not trying to pat anybody on the back, but it's one of the things I love about apology You if you are on our members page, but you shouldn't be if you're not but pictures every week of The outreach out on Mill Avenue out at ASU going to Mormon Ward chapels

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Outside abortion clinics. Our people are taking this stuff on all the time and That makes a huge difference.

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It really really does Because you start seeing how interrelated

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You know the atonement the atoning work of Christ is intimately related to Justification and it's intimately related to election and it's intimate to the nature of faith and what about works and they're all

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Interrelated with one another and if you're not

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Getting that from the preaching and from the practice then it's real easy to just sort of Push that stuff off the side and not worry about it and you end up with this vanilla

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Gospel thing that doesn't really say anything and So it just I'm admitting that Amongst reform folks

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Only a few years ago, I would have thought our commitment to solo scriptura would keep us from this this and this well

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It doesn't partly because we don't we aren't really committed to solo scriptura and partly because it takes more than that you can

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You can lay some of those commitments aside to make room for your current conspiracy theories and all the rest is so anyway,

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I Just wanted to before we end up having to talk about all that stuff again,

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I just wanted to emphasize that I Do believe that the elders of a church have the responsibility to make sure that the people within the church understand the church's stand and position on Such things as hatred of the

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Jewish people Because because that's just it's demented

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It ascribes to the Jewish people an ability that we do not ascribe to anyone else Because it it it they're no longer individuals

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So you you can't have Jewish. It's it's the idea I've now seen people expressing it once Jew all is a

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Jew. I saw it on Twitter once Jew all is a Jew So the idea is that Jewishness is somehow

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Able to Allow people to act as a single unit and and they don't and and Jewishness doesn't produce that now, you know, it's all sorts of stuff going on about Israel right now and I Just remind everybody that in if you if you could somehow have a

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Ever heard of a heat map, you know, those of us are cyclists You'll have a heat map of where you ride and more often and stuff like that if you had a heat map of the popularity of LGBTQ stuff in the world, there would be a big bright blip in Tel Aviv and Israel The modern state of Israel is not a

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Believing religious state they have to allow the minority

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Orthodox to exist, but the vast majority of Israelis are completely secular and very supportive of the

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LGBTQ and so You know people people who pretend

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That the UN is a part of biblical prophecy and that therefore this nation is somehow

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Biblical prophecy even though it's a secular state that's promoting transgenderism

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You know, they they have to they struggle with this And and they struggle with with how

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Christians should view Israel And I Think it is appropriate to recognize that There is a

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Strain of Religious Judaism Most religious

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Judaism is Not lamentably but just sadly so left

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So far on the left side of it, you know, you know, most Jews vote for the Democrats and everything else It's so leftist that it doesn't say anything

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I Mean what a tragedy to hold the scrolls of Isaiah in your hand and Not be not be filled with wonder

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Not only at the beauty of what is said, but to not have faith in What is said in those scrolls?

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What tragedy that is? But so the majority of religious

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Judaism just worldly philosophy

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Has no meaningful claims but That element of Orthodox Judaism that is deeply committed to the

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Talmud is Deeply anti -christian It has to be

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I mean given what took place after the time of Christ and look

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Bad stuff happened on both sides. The New Testament records the persecution of Christians by Jews and then

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People later who called themselves Christians decided to return the favor and have done for so for hundreds and hundreds of years

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That doesn't help the situation, okay the the history of Christian persecution of Jews is sad is really is it can't be denied

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Shouldn't be denied It's It's just everywhere and again it was

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Sacralism That was very much a part of that Were there sacral lists were there

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Roman Catholics who tried to protect? Jews like from the Crusaders. Yes, there were

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Unfortunately, they were normally in the minority not in the majority But yeah bad bad bad bad stuff happened in history and that's that's a reality

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The result of that is that Talmudic Judaism Developed a deep detestation for Jesus It's very clear that The Muslim view of Jesus is much higher than the

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Talmudic Jewish view I Mean they've they I mean Jesus isn't even at the top level when

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Muhammad visits heaven But he's at least considered a prophet and he's at least up in a level of heaven whereas Judaism no

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And you can you can try to explain that away by saying That's because so many of them died

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At the hands of people who are calling themselves Christians and using the name of Jesus I I get it, but that's where it is.

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It is deeply anti Jesus and so that makes

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So here's here's the question. Do you even try to reach out to people? Who have been taught?

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that which is deeply anti Jesus and It it just seems that for many people today.

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No No, just let them let them rot it's

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The number of reformed guys That I've seen over the past number of months

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That have proven to me that if there were three Muslim guys

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Across the street They wouldn't cross the street to talk to them for nothing

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In fact, they'd walk by Wishing for stricter immigration laws, basically they're there they're the wrong color and They're the wrong religion

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Rather than ignoring the color and Recognizing Wow, here's an opportunity because if you had three

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Muslims over on this corner and You had three white university students

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Over on this corner Guess which group wants to talk about Jesus with you

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I can guarantee you something that ain't the university students The chances are those three

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Muslims over there if you walked up to them and Said you know

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I've read the Quran And I'm one of the people of the book and I've found it fascinating what the

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Quran says to the people of the book You're gonna be in a conversation for the next three hours if you want to be if you want to be

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Problem is most of you guys don't want to be You don't want to be because you will first of all, you're not prepared but you just don't have a burden for these folks and And that's been a sad thing to have to realize and to have to go

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Yeah, well, we we've tried and we'll keep trying Don't know how much longer but we'll keep trying and do our thing so Anyway, I'm not sure how

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I got into all that. I was trying to get over to something else which is Want to tell you a little story and then you know,

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I'm I've been feeling really bad recently That I have not mentioned a certain name in months on this program

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And I know it makes this particular individual very very sad And it hasn't been purposeful

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But I might make a comment about Layton flowers And it's not that I would be debating him, um

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So I Tell you a little story from church history, there are many stories in church history that can be beneficial to us but there is a there was a

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Young man by the name of hands Brett hands

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Brett and Hands Brett Lived in the

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Netherlands Under This is post -reformations, this is late 1500s so so these northern

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European nations have broken with Rome and They've established their own sacral

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Systems So as I've always said the initial reformers were sacralists

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So 1577 is only 13 years after Calvin's death.

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So you still have a Church -state Mixture that is inappropriate and improper at this point in time and So there was a young man by the name of hands

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Brett and He Was a

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Confectioner he He made yummy cookies and stuff like that which is probably, you know, just perfectly bad for everybody's health, but everybody loved it and One day

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Knock comes on the door Are we having issues? Okay, all right

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I wonder what's going on with that Wow We are we are having internet issues and that concerns me because I like doing programs and stuff from here

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It's normally in the afternoons. So We probably never did make the phone call This one's weird

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Okay Yes, my my system is saying

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I can't find that anymore anyway He was working in the bakery one morning and the

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Bailiff of Antwerp and a number of his Assistants which were called

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Beatles Beatles be be a DL ES Beatles Came to the door and They he was able to yell and rest the family is able to escape, but he was he was arrested and So he was arrested under the authority of a reformed

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Calvinistic governmental system Okay, so These are not

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Roman Catholics that are arresting him These are religious authorities Looks like it's coming back.

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These are religious authorities But they are reformed religious authorities

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Just as you would have in Germany Lutheran religious authorities who imprisoned

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Fritz Erba Until his death in the

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Castle there in Germany and But these are Calvinists that are doing it and they're doing it to a

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Baptist and He was beaten he was tortured

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But he would not change his view And why was why was he in prison?

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Why was he beaten? Why was he why would he be viewed a threat? by the sacral state because infant baptism was considered to be a definitional aspect of what it meant to be a citizen of the country and Calvin had actually laid the groundwork for no longer viewing things in that way

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But it hadn't developed that point yet took took more time back then than it does now

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Eight months tortured in jail eight months tortured in jail

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Finally after eight months he Again would not recant brought before The council

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So again, this is the government making theological decisions and He was condemned to be burned at the stake and so On Saturday the 4th of January, I believe it was 1578

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The executioner comes into Hans's cell and He orders him to stick out his tongue and This was because Sadly over the many decades where Roman Catholics had been murdered by Protestants and Protestants were being murdered regularly by Roman Catholics then and The Baptists were just being murdered by everybody

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But Anna Baptists out see that's why it's when you talk about the

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Munster Rebellion and what they did It's not even fair to put them into the same category

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But what they had learned was that people going to their death who have the opportunity to speak and preach

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Can very frequently have a tremendous impact upon the people hearing

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What is being said because I mean you're going to your death and you preach passionately that can really

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Have an impact on all sorts of folks so Are we back up so the people in our

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Twitter channel thing are blaming me For the internet failure here at the offices of Alvin Omega ministries because I said the name that starts with an

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L and an F and that that crashed the Internet and I I Don't think that's really probable

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But there is an AI Generated meme coming where YouTube had to go and add several servers and they had to reset all the pictures

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All right, we're going back to hands of Rhett here People had learned you don't let people preach on their way to their own martyrdom and So the simplest way that happened to a lot of people a lot of people was they'd have you stick your tongue out and they cut your tongue off Just slice it right out.

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I'm it's start starting the torture of because In those days it wasn't enough to just Execute someone they didn't take you out and shoot you

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They took out and burned you and If you're probably aware of the fact that for example

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Tyndale They strangled him

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Before they burned him. So you you time the stake and then you'd run a thong around two holes around the neck executioner

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Strangles you to death your you die and then they burn you much more merciful

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Than actually actual burning You know if there was a wind if it was dry wood

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You know, okay, it could consume you fairly quickly. But if it was there wasn't a wind there is it was greenwood

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You could be there for a very long time Literally cooking just like like the turkey on Thanksgiving and it's bad

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So but so they would frequently do like when they executed the people at Munster They they spent an hour torturing them before executing them and it worked

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I'm talking Red -hot tongs the whole nine yards torture and if you passed out they stopped the timer and Revived you because you had to undergo a full hour of horrific pain

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Before you were stabbed to the heart and killed so What they did with brother

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Brett With hands Brett was he stuck his tongue out and they put a clip a metal clip on his tongue and Then burned the end of his tongue so it would swell up so he could not pull it back out of the clip

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You can't speak that way That seems like a long way around doing the same thing of just cutting the tongue out but That's what he did and so he is taken

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To the place of of execution and Was burned to ashes and a his pastor and his friend

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Hans de Ries Um Once the flames had died down stepped out of the crowd risking himself in the process and grabbed out of the ashes the tongue clip that had been put on his tongue and It has been passed down through his family for 450 years like that.

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I've seen a picture of it as a Remembrance of the steadfastness

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Now I have to say When I think of steadfastness in refusing to embrace pedo -baptism

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Okay, Hans Brett was steadfast But his death came fairly quickly when

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I think of Fritz Erba seven years In a cell with no windows no doors

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Just blacked seven years I My views of baptism would change very quickly

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This didn't this didn't um, that's what you get with sacralism. That's what you get with sacralism and I don't

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I don't care who you are if you're gonna make the argument that yeah when

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I read the New Testament Yeah, I think we should be Executing heretics the state should be

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Cutting people's tongues out and flaying them alive and burning them at stake you know, yeah,

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I just I just want to go I Think you skipped a few steps somewhere along the way.

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I think you really did Um the power that the church has is

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Power of the gospel and the sword is for is for punishing evildoers and Yeah, you have to have a standard what that is

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But once you once you man, I do not want Kamala Harris making theological decisions for for the church and neither do you and She doesn't want to do it either because she doesn't know what theological means so that would be another issue

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All right. Let's go ahead and crash the net here Yes, let's let's test the theory, you know, y 'all y 'all have this theory.

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Okay. All right, let's let's Let's see. I had this sitting here

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From last week or Or Maybe only

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Tuesday but I actually saved this and Here's here's what it says

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If there are two this is soteriology 101 if there are two long -held viable interpretations of a disputed passage in Scripture one which leads most people to question the goodness of God and the other which does not err on the side of caution and Don't risk impugning

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God's character for the sake of your sis your systematic or tradition Even if you're not fully convinced the interpretation which defends the character of God it's best to tread carefully rather than dogmatically assert your opinions as if they certainly represent our

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Holy God and if an Anticipation of some referencing Romans 9 as if it defends your particular opinion

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Please take a moment to get to know what many scholars believe about that Passage before you beg the question by assuming your interpretation is the right one.

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I'm not gonna bother with the Romans 9 stuff We know what? The provisionists do with Romans 9 and the scholars and blah blah blah blah.

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I Just want to think with you briefly here toward the end and find out again if this is

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What destroyed the Internet? If there are two long -held viable

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Interpretations of a disputed passage in Scripture now, I can't think of any passage of Scripture That could not be disputed by somebody

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I mean The many many passages saying there is only one

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True and living God. I mean Isaiah 40 through 48 Jeremiah chapter 10

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You know the gods did not create the heavens there shall pass away from another heavens in the earth and There a guy besides me

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I know not a there's all this Very plain stuff. Guess what?

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There are people who will dispute that So what do you mean by disputes normally when there's one of two ways?

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I mean sure we can have Argumentation about John -1 -1.

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It's a disputed passage, but it also can be used. It's a disputed passage in the sense that there's textual issues

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And that's not even being raised here, honestly And so if there are two long -held viable interpretations, what's a viable interpretation?

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What's a viable interpretation? It seems to me that a lot of a lot of folks are like what any interpretation is viable and If you do not believe in the sufficiency and consistency of Scripture to tell us the truth about the character of God Then there could be many viable interpretations because you don't have to be worried about consistency and in the large majority of Theological writings commentaries things like that today

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The assumption is That there is no

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Consistent perspective Communicated by Scripture so the the assumption on the part of most people

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They call themselves Christians today is that you know Paul has his view even he changed his view

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Each of the Gospels has different views the Old Testament's a mishmash of Badly edited and redacted

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Material that does not go back to anyone named Moses or Even an

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Isaiah or anything like that's why you get Deutero Isaiah and stuff like that that's what's taught in the vast majority of theological schools

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Bible colleges things like that and As a result those people don't don't even enter into the conversation about a

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Consistent interpretation of Scripture, but this is one which leads most people to question the goodness of God.

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Oh Hmm this is this is where it gets really really interesting

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Because what's really being suggested here if you if you boil it all down and you work through it and you see what's happened over the past few years with this

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Novel provisionist idea thing even though it's it's funny to see them trying to say and ours was a view the early church

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Right, okay When you when you when you boil it all down what's being said is that you can come up with a

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View of the the goodness of God of God's character and Then interpret scripture to substantiate that view but I thought you had to start with scripture to get an understanding of God's character and the goodness of God in the first place and What we've seen from provisionists for a long long time is their definition of the goodness of God is

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Very much from a human perspective God needs to fit within these parameters and over the years, you know,

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I remember One fella if I recall correctly,

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I actually engaged him on unbelievable at some point But I don't believe

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I was in studio I Don't think it was when I was in London I can be wrong, but I don't think it was when

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I was in London But he was a quote -unquote former

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Calvinist and the whole thing of his book was You know God's character and and and and when you listen carefully

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It was very much mankind looking at God going this is what I would find acceptable about God and If it doesn't fit into that I'm not going to accept it.

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And so I'm going to come up with a hermeneutical methodology that will give me an interpretation of God how

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I want God to be and I just for years and years and years and I I didn't look up the quote, but I'm And I'm not even sure how long it would take me to find it

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It's in those the books arrived are there which are the two? That's right, which are the two

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Oh Micro font, I mean the two

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I Had just happened to open to the distinguishing marks of a work of the

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Spirit of God But I can't read anything else because distinguishing marks are in large font, but oh my goodness

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I'm thankful that that banner of truth put out this massive collection You know, here's

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Brainerd's life and diary. But the only thing I can read in this are the titles the top of the pages.

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I Know know I'm okay. Yeah, I hopefully

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Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, we can we can pull that off with with the old man glasses

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You know, we can we can do it but I would I would say this is about four point font

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Three or four point font I would say is what this is. But anyway, sorry about that Hey, this is what

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I read Edwards in and which is probably why I can't see anything Or hear anything or anything else.

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Yeah, it's great. Um It was Jonathan Edwards, okay who

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Said something long ago. That was very very very wise when discussing

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The best evidences of regeneration Because you remember he had to deal with the

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Revivals and you know, there was all sorts of discussion about things like that he said that one of the best evidences of regeneration is when we love those aspects of God's character

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That are the most reprehensible The natural man, so he said one of the best evidences of regeneration is when we love

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What God's Word reveals to us about the character of God? But that though that aspect of God's character is the most reprehensible and offensive

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To the natural man. It's one thing to love those aspects of God that are Not Offensive don't put a pressure upon the natural man

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But if you love those aspects of God's character They're the most reprehensible natural man.

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This he says is one of the best evidences of Regeneration now, obviously he would put that in the context of Loving long -term not just displaying some fascination with for a while and then walking away from that But that's what

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I thought of Because you know he says err on the side of caution and don't risk impugning

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God's character for the sake of your Systematic or tradition and yet that's what exactly provisionism is.

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It is a systematic It's not very systematic. It's very poorly systematic because it's so new

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But it's a tradition That is used as a filter To remove those aspects of God's character that are the most offensive to the natural man

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That's why Edwards would never have even recognized what these guys are saying is having any validity

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Whatsoever whatsoever So Yeah, yeah, so I don't

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I don't didn't see that the net crashed there so I guess that pretty much That pretty much just YouTube already had the servers online and so they were able to handle it, but we're not on YouTube right now end of arguments

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We're on Twitter and so you did that that didn't The channel capitulates, okay good,

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I'm glad that the channel capitulates Okay, all right All right, okay, well, thank you for sticking through the technical difficulties we will be uploading the full version with the rest of the story of our martyr and his tongue clip

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In a little while so that'll be there if you missed part of that hand spread But hopefully you'll find that to be useful as well.

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We will Be keeping an eye on things and I'm sure Next week we'll have interesting things to cause us to get together once again here on the dividing line.