What does the Bible say about demon possession? Does demonic possession still occur? -Podcast Ep 118

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Welcome to the God Questions Podcast. Today, Jeff, Kevin, and I are gonna continue in our series of discussing angels and demons.

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So if you've not listened to the previous episodes where we've covered what does the Bible say about angels, what does the

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Bible say about demons, what does the Bible say about Satan, and today we're going to be covering what does the

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Bible say about demon possession, and also the question, very important question, can a Christian be demon possessed?

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Thanks. Joining me today is

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Jeff, the editor for BibleRef .com and Kevin, the managing editor of God Questions Ministries.

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So this is a question I'm sure you guys know also that we receive quite a bit, and often it's more recently

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I've seen some questions on, does it still happen? Because when you read the

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Bible, especially the Gospels, where it discusses multiple instances where Jesus heals someone who was demon possessed, and we don't seem to be seeing that same kind of stuff today, or do we?

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Or is it more of a matter of where there's some confusion between what could be a severe psychological disorder versus a demon possession?

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We'll be discussing that a little bit. But Kevin, why don't you start us off, and as you looked into primarily the

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Gospels and what it says about demon possession, what are some of the key points? Yes, it's good to take a look at Scripture and see what's happening there.

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And that's where we start forming our theology, and we come to our conclusions based on what we read in Scripture.

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This is the inspired Word of God, and we know that when Jesus walked the earth, he interacted with spiritual forces many times.

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Especially in the book of Luke, we see a lot of encounters with the demonic, and of course,

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Jesus always just dealt with it with a word. He spoke, and it's the power of Christ that cast these demons out.

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I'm going to take a look at some passages here that specify demonic activity, and in fact, demon possession.

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Not every case where there's a demon involved is there possession, but in these cases where I'm going to read these passages, it actually says there was a possession of some kind, and the demon was cast out.

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And so, I have like, I don't know, four or five of these passages here. Matthew chapter 9 says that while they were going out, a man who was demon -possessed and could not talk was brought into Jesus.

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And when the demon was driven out, the man who had been mute spoke. Crowd was amazed and said, nothing like this has ever been seen in Israel.

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The display of the power of Christ was amazing to them, and it was Jesus who drove out that demon.

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And the effect of the demon in this particular person's life in Matthew chapter 9 was that he was mute.

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This demon was preventing him from speaking. As soon as Jesus drove the demon out, the man began to speak.

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And so, there was a direct correlation there between his condition and the demon possession.

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In Matthew chapter 12, then they brought to Jesus a demon -possessed man. So again, we're specifying that there was a demon inside this man.

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And this man was blind and mute, Matthew says, and Jesus healed him so that he could both talk and see.

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So, here the effects are a little bit different, but we do have the mute aspect, but also the blind aspect.

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He could not see and he could not speak. Jesus cured both of those conditions when he cast out that demon.

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Matthew 17, they came to a crowd and a man came up to Jesus and kneeling before him said,

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Lord, have mercy on my son, for he has seizures and suffers terribly, for he often falls into the fire and often into the water.

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And so, there's the description of the condition of this boy. That is brought to Jesus.

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And at this point, there's no mention of a demon. It's not until we get a couple of verses later on in the passage, this is

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Matthew 17, verse 18, says that Jesus rebuked the demon and it came out of him and the boy was healed instantly.

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So, there was this boy that was suffering terribly, Matthew says, he had seizures and there was some self -destructive stuff going on here.

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He was being thrown into the fire, thrown into the water, different ways to harm this boy and maybe even destroy him.

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And Jesus healed him specifically by rebuking the demon. So, in this case, again, there was a demon possession in this young boy.

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Mark 5, this is the story of Legion, where Jesus goes to the area of the

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Gadarenes and he steps out of the boat. Immediately there met him out of the tombs, a man with an unclean spirit.

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We find out later that there are many, many spirits in this man. And then listen to the description of this man.

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He lived among the tombs and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain, for he had often been bound with shackles and chains, but he wrenched the chains apart and broke the shackles in pieces.

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No one had the strength to subdue him. Night and day among the tombs and in the mountains, he was always crying out and cutting himself with stones.

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Jesus said to him, come out of this man, you impure spirit. There's a little bit of a conversation after that and the demons, plural, leave the man.

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So, again, it's the power of Christ and just simply speaking, come out of him, that cures this man.

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He's later found clothed and in his right mind and sitting at the feet of Jesus, listening to Jesus' instructions.

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But before this, I mean, he was out of control. He was associated with cemeteries and the tombs and the uncleanness there.

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He was exhibiting superhuman strength. No one could overpower him.

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No one could tame him, except for our Lord Jesus. He has the power with his spoken word.

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He drives this demon out, or actually this legion of demons. In the book of Acts, we have the case of the apostle

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Paul, who is going to a place of prayer. This is

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Acts chapter 16 in Philippi, and they're met by a female slave who had a demon by which she predicted the future.

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So, this particular demon possession was giving her some special knowledge that she would not have ordinarily had.

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She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune -telling, and then she followed

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Paul and the rest of us, Luke writes, shouting, these men are servants of the most high God who are telling you the way to be saved.

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She was turning this whole thing into a circus act. Verse 18, she kept this up for many days.

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Finally, Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, in the name of Jesus Christ, I command you to come out of her.

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At that moment, the spirit left her. So, we see through these passages that demon possession did occur.

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There were actually demons possessing human bodies. They seemed to have been in control of the actions and the thoughts of these people that they were inhabiting, but it manifested in various ways.

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Sometimes it was a sickness of some kind, a physical malady. Sometimes it was great strength.

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Sometimes it was special knowledge. It was different things at different times, but we also see that they are driven out by the power of Christ in each case.

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Even when Paul casts out the demon in Acts chapter 16, he is doing so in the power and the name of Christ.

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There's probably one other case of demon possession that we need to mention, and that is

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Luke chapter 22, when Judas Iscariot is leaving the

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Last Supper. Luke says that Satan entered Judas, who was one of the

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Twelve. We know the result of that as Satan was indwelling

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Judas Iscariot, and Judas went out and betrayed the Lord Jesus Christ to death.

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So, Kevin, that's great reminders of what Scripture says about demon possession and the symptoms, so to speak, of it.

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I'm just kind of thinking in the study I did in preparation for this conversation, and I don't know that there's any place in Scripture where it explicitly answers this question.

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Maybe, Jeff, you can touch on it, or Kevin. I think I have some ideas, but why do the demons desire to possess people?

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What is their motivation for it? We've received questions about, do demons possess people because they really want to have a body, or do demons possess people just because they love to steal, kill, and destroy?

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What would you say? What is the main motivation of Satan's demons to possess people?

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It seems like mostly what they're doing is they're spreading fear and uncertainty and doubt.

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People have a tendency to respond to those things in different ways. Sometimes people turn to God, sometimes people don't, and in a culture that's full of things like idols and false religious beliefs and superstitions, then seeing those things can actually drive people to other things that aren't true.

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I can see how it's possible that a demon could use those things. A guy like the one who was in the tombs, who's supernaturally strong and cutting himself and just acting insane, that's going to inspire an awful lot of fear and panic.

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We see what happens when people are afraid. They resort to all sorts of strange things in order to try to fix that.

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I can see that as possibly being one of the things that demons are attempting to do when they're doing this, is just to use that person as some sort of an influence in the world that promotes fear and panic.

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I think sometimes it may even be that the demon's intention is not necessarily for other people to notice as much.

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Some of the cases that we talked about there in the Bible, the effects are on the person in question, and it's possible that other people didn't necessarily connect that with explicit demon possession, that they knew that there was a problem, but they did not realize or recognize that there was something that was supernatural that was going on there.

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In that case, it could be very much the same as we see Satan interacting with other people today, where he's trying to interfere with or confuse or slow down your belief, your approach, and the things that you're doing in faith.

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I think there's probably a couple different reasons for why demons would do what they do, but they aren't given any explicit motivation, so all we can really do is speculate.

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That's true, and again, the fact that the Bible doesn't directly answer this question, I think leads to some of the confusion.

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Go ahead, Kevin. Oh, I was just going to say, yeah, we're in the realm of conjecture now, but yeah,

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I think what Jeff said is perfectly sensible as to why demons would possess people, and going back to the

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Legion there in the area of the Gadarenes, what a spectacle that man was, and everybody in that region,

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I'm sure, knew of him, and going along with that knowledge, and what he was doing was a fear, an unhealthy fear of the demonic, and people were probably saying, you know, this is a powerful force.

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Nobody can deal with it. We had better appease this force. We had better worship this spiritual force.

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We had better offer some sacrifices to this thing. We better make sure that we're appeasing it so that we don't, and that just leads right into paganism, leads right into idolatry, the worship of demons, and Jesus comes and puts a stop to it all, and then

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I love when Jesus is ready to go back across the sea, and the man wants to come with him, of course.

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You know, let me come with you. I want to be with you. You are the Savior, and Jesus says, no, you stay here in your region where people know you, and you go and tell everybody your testimony of how you met the

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Messiah, and he healed you. What a testimony this man had, then, as he shows that there's a greater power than the power that these people had feared for so long, the power of God and Jesus Christ, the

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Savior. Another thing that I think is interesting when we look at those different passages is we have the same thing with demonic possession and demonic influence that we do sometimes with miracles.

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People will look at miracles, and they'll say, well, why don't miracles happen as often today as they happened in the

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Bible, and we have to remind people they didn't happen very often in the Bible. They're recorded there, so yes, when you read the

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Bible, you'll come across miracles relatively often, but that's sort of like you come across presidential assassinations fairly often if you read through history.

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It doesn't mean that it's the kind of thing that happens all the time. It's the same thing with demonic possession. One of the first passages that Kevin was reading there, people made a point of saying nothing like this has ever happened before.

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In the specific context, they're referring to the healing and the miraculous aspect of it, but that still suggests this is not something that happens especially often.

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So I don't think that we necessarily have to look at these things in the Bible and say, oh, in every town there were 5, 6, 7, 20 people who were overtly possessed by demons.

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It was likely something that needed some sort of special circumstance or some particular environment to happen, and that leads to one of the reasons that I know another question that we sometimes run into is this question of Christians and demonic possession.

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I think the fact that we don't see it as often as people seem to think that we do and that it's not the same nature that we see in pop culture, which is something we can get into later, but I think that recognizing that it is not something that happens especially often in the first place is a good place to start with our understanding for why it's reasonable for us to have a conviction, not necessarily an ironclad absolute 100 % insistence, but a pretty strong conviction that born -again

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Christians cannot be demon -possessed. And that's a starting place, it's just not the ending point for that because there's a lot more to consider.

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Jeff, let's definitely jump into that one because that's, to me, probably the most important question related specifically to demon possession.

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But if you look back to demon possession in general, just for a second, if you look at, off the top of my head,

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I can't think of any occurrences of demon possession throughout the Old Testament. And then it happened quite a bit during the time of Jesus, and then a little bit in Acts, but then throughout the epistles, there's never any, okay, you're going to be running across a lot of people who are demon -possessed, here's what you do.

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So I think that gives weight to your, this is not something that happens that often.

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And even the fact that it seems to happen most often when Jesus was here during his ministry, and that makes sense if the goal of the demons is to instill fear in people to attempt to thwart

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God's plan, or what more would they want to thwart than Jesus accomplishing his mission? So I've heard some

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Bible scholars say that they think demon possession will become more common as the end times approach, and that seems a reasonable assertion to make.

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But again, even in scripture, aside from in the gospels, demon possession is not common.

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This is not something that happens that often. And I think that's due to God's protection over people, whether that's believers in Christ or even his protection over non -believers, and they're still created in his image, and he is perfectly willing to protect them from being attacked by demons in that way.

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There seems to be, it's not just like you're walking down the street and boom, you're at risk of being demon -possessed.

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There seems to be more to it than that, that there has to be some sort of engagement with dark spiritual forces that opens yourself up to those sorts of things.

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But again, like Kevin, this is a little conjecture because the Bible doesn't say, I don't think in any of the cases it specifically says what caused that person to become demon -possessed.

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So it's fascinating. There's been so many movies, pop culture made about demon possession that we have all these ideas about it, and the scripture honestly doesn't say that much about it.

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But with that said, let's jump into the, can Christians be demon -possessed? And Kevin, why don't you start off?

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Because I know you had several points, arguments for why you and we believe that Christians cannot be demon -possessed.

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Yes, I'm of the conviction that a believer in Jesus Christ, someone who is united with Christ, cannot be demon -possessed.

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And I have that conviction because of, or at least for these three reasons, that we are indwelt by the

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Holy Spirit of God, 1 Corinthians 3 .16, don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?

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1 Corinthians 6 and verse 19, your temples of the Holy Spirit again. And then

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I'd also point people to Romans 8 and verses 9 through 11 that talks about our indwelling by the

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Holy Spirit. So, we already have the Holy Spirit living within us, and He's God. I don't think that He's going to be making room for a demon to move in, even temporarily.

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Also, Scripture says that we have overcome the evil spirits of this world.

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1 John 4 and verse 4, you, dear children, are from God and have overcome them.

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In the context, it's the demonic forces of this world and the false teachers that go along with them.

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We've overcome them because the one who is in you is greater than the one who's in the world.

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Again, we're being pointed to the power of Christ, the power of God Himself.

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And then 1 John 5 and verse 4, everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.

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And Paul talks about how we've been given the shield of faith, and we have this indwelling Holy Spirit, and we have overcome the evil of this world through the power of God.

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And then God is greater than the one who's in the world. John points that out in the verse

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I just read, but I love Jesus' parable in Luke chapter 11. This is verses 21 and 22.

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When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up his plunder.

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So here we have Satan, who is pictured as a strong man, who's guarding his house.

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Satan is in this world. He's armed. He has all kinds of weapons. He knows how to use them.

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And he's guarding his house. He's pretty formidable in guarding the world, this possession of his, at least something that he considers his possession.

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And he thinks he's got all these people under his control. But then here comes

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Jesus, and Jesus is the stronger one. And he attacks this strong man.

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He overpowers this strong man. He takes away his power. He takes away his defenses, and he divides up the plunder.

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That's us. He divides up the people that were under Satan's control. So now we are no longer in the kingdom of darkness.

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We have been transferred to the kingdom of light. We are not children of the night or of the darkness.

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We are children of the light now, because Jesus has rescued us. He is the stronger man that came and overpowered the one that seemed so formidable at first.

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And so for those three reasons, I believe a believer cannot be demon -possessed. That is, we have the indwelling

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Holy Spirit. We have been promised that we have overcome the world. And the greater is he who is in us than he who is in the world.

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Those are similar reasons to where I am on the concept of Christians being demon -possessed.

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That same passage in Luke 11 goes on to talk about the idea of a house that's been left empty, and the idea of a spirit being kicked out of the house, goes around, doesn't find anywhere to stay, comes back, finds the house empty again.

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And I know it's important for us not to blur the implications of separate parables.

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However, those come right on top of each other. So this idea of us being indwelt by the

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Holy Spirit suggests that we're not empty vessels. We're not just these places that are waiting around.

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There's so much in the New Testament about believers, true believers, being filled with the Spirit, led by the

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Spirit, guided by the Spirit. At least from a logical standpoint, it just doesn't seem to jive with the idea that a demonic spirit could take up residence in somebody exactly the same way as the

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Holy Spirit. And there again, I think the mention was made of things like popular culture.

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We tend to get dragged into thinking about demons and demonic possession in these superstitious science fiction

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Dungeons and Dragons kind of ways, where we think of things like The Exorcist and movies like that, where somebody has a demon that acts like a physical animal that latches itself onto somebody, where there's no control, no sense of And then also the people who are demon possessed act outrageously.

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The only person in scripture who seems to act even remotely like something we see in a horror movie is the guy in the tombs.

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Everybody else, the effects are relatively subtle. It's much more likely that demonic possession, demonic influence is going to come in that sense.

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But there again, that's what people are looking for. They're expecting, they're thinking is it's going to be something like that.

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And that's because again, we want to treat religion, Christianity, spirituality, like it's magic. I have my amulets,

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I have my words, I have my prayers, I have my spells. I think when we have the right understanding of who we are, either in Christ or not in Christ, I think that leads us away from those superstitious ideas.

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And it leads us towards a better understanding where we're not as afraid and we're not as prone to those misunderstandings.

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Yeah. I just want to stress what Jeff just said, that we need to be getting our theology from scripture and not from horror movies.

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We don't look to Hollywood for what we believe. They're not our theological teachers.

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We need to always go back to scripture. What does scripture say? What does scripture not say?

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And we need to be basing our lives on that. And one thing that scripture says is that we are in Christ, Christ in me and I in Christ.

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There's great safety and security in that. And I think that's true, but I think it's also important to remember that we can't and shouldn't downplay the idea that demons or demonic influences can be harmful to people, even if they're

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Christians, even if they're believers. And that's sort of a separate category from demon possession.

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But an example that I think is at least a good shorthand of that is Job. In the book of Job, Satan does certain things to Job.

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And one of the things that he does is he gives him a disease. Now that's a physical infliction on Job.

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And it's something that comes through some sort of demonic or evil spiritual source. Job's not possessed.

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He's not being controlled by Satan, but there's an example of an evil spirit that's causing some sort of blatant effect on somebody.

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And we can get into the theological debate about Job being an Old Testament believer and indwelling of the

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Holy Spirit and everything else like that. But I think the point is that we can see there's precedent in the Bible for the idea that demons and evil spirits can harm or afflict somebody, even if they're not directly possessing them.

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And I'm of the conviction, the inclination that most of the demonic interaction that most people are going to have is in that nature at the most.

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Most of it's really going to be in terms of things like influence, temptation, psychological aspects, and things like that.

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I just don't see anything in scripture that leads me to believe that demon possession of non -believers is very common or that full -blown demonic oppression is something that's really that frequently happening in the lives of believers.

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Yeah. Good points, both of you. And it's been a really good conversation. If I were to,

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I mean, again, I entirely agree. My firm conviction is that believers cannot be demon -possessed.

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Maybe I'd say my conviction is 99 .9 just because I've heard from missionaries who are other ministers who are firm

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Bible believers and were of the same conviction who have then witnessed what to them truly seemed like a believer being demon -possessed.

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So whether that was a severe case of demonic oppression, as Jeff was talking about, or maybe the person was not actually a true believer.

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And then I heard the argument, I mean, so we would think of the Holy Spirit indwells us, so there's not room for a demon in there too.

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Well, I don't know that in a spiritual sense, room really makes the same sense as in, okay, there's only room for one person in this closet.

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Well, that's physical space. How does space work in the spirit? I don't know. But again, it does not make sense that the

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Holy Spirit is indwelling a person that he would allow that person to become fully possessed by a demon.

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But all this to say, and as both Kevin and Jeff said, dealing with spiritual forces,

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Satan and his demons is dangerous. It's not something to be treated lightly because throughout scripture, you see multiple examples of lives as they've destroyed and ruined, and they tempt, they deceive, they lead us astray, they can have all sorts of negative impacts.

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So even putting demon possession outside of the normal possibility for believers, that's not to minimize how dangerous it can be.

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The next episode we're going to do is on spiritual warfare, and we'll be going into the demonic oppression a little bit more in that episode as well.

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But this has been primarily a focus on both demon possession in general, and then the question of whether Christians can be demon possessed.

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So hope you found our conversation helpful, encouraging, edifying. Jeff and Kevin, thank you for joining me.

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Thank you for your insights. And I know you guys have been studying this issue alongside me for the past couple of weeks.

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So tune in next time for what does the Bible say about spiritual warfare? That'll be a very important conversation as well.

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It's been the Got Questions podcast on what does the Bible say about demon possession? Got questions?