Watch Now Before Its Gone! - AD on Bart Barber on 60 Minutes

Hello there, this is AD Robles and my camera is not facing towards me. That is very strange. Let's fix that. Hello, hello there, this is AD Robles and you're listening to AD on the Fight Laugh Feast Network.

Alright, let's jump into it today. I had a great time at the Fight Laugh Feast conference. Some of you guys only listen to the podcast. You don't actually watch the YouTube video. So I just wanted to say if you if you don't watch my YouTube videos.

Thanks, if you introduced yourself to me at the Fight Laugh Feast conference, thank you so much. It was very very encouraging. God bless you. I hope you find this video helpful today. So what I wanted to do is I wanted to talk a little bit about SBC president's Bart Barber's 60 minutes interview.

Anderson Cooper Interviewed Bart Barber on a variety of topics and I want to just to talk about one of them. He did he in the middle of the interview. He asks him about Christian nationalism and he has to because Christian nationalism, you know.

Still a very small movement in the grand scheme of things, but it's gaining steam every single day. It's gaining influence every single day. It's the kind of thing that is is gonna have to be discussed.

It's just that simple and I gotta say it warms my little heart to see this because I never thought I'd see the day Where this kind of thing would be gaining traction and a lot of mainstream attention.

So I'm very grateful for that. God is so good and God God is going to be God's going to win this is the thing about this God's God's got this fight and We get to be just humble servants in the fight. So I did want to talk about this, but I do want to say to on a whole, you know I'm not gonna talk about every part of this Bart Barber interview.

But on a whole. You know, it was alright I mean, I saw a lot of very positive reviews of it when I first heard about it in my mind I thought man, this is gonna be just a complete disaster. I mean Bart Barber.

Yeah, so so anyway moving right along I Thought it's gonna be a disaster and then I started seeing Tons of reviews from people that I respect that said it was great. And so I watched it myself and I think I probably was influenced by seeing people say it was great.

After thinking that it would be a disaster because to me it's just like yeah. It's alright. It's not a disaster. And I think that's the thing like when you expect it to be a complete disaster and then it's not.

It's like great by comparison. But because I heard both of those things beforehand I can kind of split the difference and you know It's it's not as bad as I thought it would be it's really nothing special.

It's nothing that and you know, great. You know, I got to be honest like if this is our leadership I mean, this is non-threatening to a guy like Anderson Cooper. You know what I mean? It's non-threatening to the world system.

That's that's the reality. But anyway, so they get Bart Barber on and at some point towards the middle of it they start asking him about Christian nationalism and and Bart's answer is very typical. So let's just listen to it.

And then I'm gonna make a few comments about this. We asked oh no Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I gotta pause this real quick. Sorry about that. I never had my audio set up the right way I'm just very very very unprofessional in that way.

Here we go.

What Christian Nationalism Actually Means

It's about the Christian nationalist rhetoric increasingly being used by some elected officials like congresswoman Lauren Boebert of Colorado.

The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church.

It stands cut. Okay, so so Anderson Cooper says a really good example of Christian nationalism rhetoric is Lauren Boebert. Now she's a lady I don't really want to you know rip her to pieces but Let's just suffice it to say that Lauren Boebert is just intellectually not a good example of anything except being a ditz.

I guess I don't know. I mean because here's the thing though. Like like, you know, the answer to this Anderson actually is this that Lauren Boebert is wrong. The church is not supposed to direct the government because that that would imply sort of a hierarchy where you've got the church at the top and then you've got the government underneath the church and that's not at all how it is.

The Bible is Crystal clear about how this works, right? The way it works is that the church is under God, right? The church is directed and controlled and commanded and ruled and right by God. And so the church can't just do anything it wants like the church can't just decide one day, you know instead of wine and bread.

We're gonna for communion. We're gonna have Skittles and iced tea like that. That's not something the church has the authority to do so the church can only do that which the Which God has told it to do and it can and it can't do the things that God has told it not to do.

Right, so it's under God in that way. It's it's it's it's got a certain realm of authority over certain spiritual matters. Couldn't you know amongst amongst its members, right? And then the government is sort of next to the church.

It's not below the church. It's sort of next to the church and it has a completely different sphere of authority, right? So it's still under God though, and that's the important thing. And so when you're a Christian Nationalist what you are saying is that the that the government the civil governing authority the nation who rules and reigns in the nation.

It's ultimately God. But God gives that authority to the civil governing authority and what God says to for them to do is to punish evildoers and to promote what is good. It's a two-fold, you know mission punish evildoers and promote what is good now we can imply all sorts of other kind of Things that the government can do there.

But the thing is we can't go too crazy with that because God's also given us a lot of case laws. He's also given us the Ten Commandments and so the government their duty their only duty is to acknowledge what God has said is so and Then do their duty according to what God has said is so because if God says that it's evil to murder.

The government doesn't get to decide actually it's not evil to murder. They don't get to do that. That's not their authority. That's not their role. The only thing that the government can do is acknowledge God has said that it's evil to murder.

Therefore we are going to punish murderers and I would argue and now you don't have to be a Christian nationalist. To go with me a little bit further right because I think that you should also be a theonomist.

They're not synonymous. So it's not the same thing if you're a Christian nationalist, you don't have to be a theonomist necessarily. I think you should because God gives us a lot more information because here's the thing like like in my opinion If God says that murder is Is is is a crime and the civil governing authority says, okay I'm gonna acknowledge that God says that murder is a crime and I'm gonna now punish murderers the civil governing authority does not have the right to say and Here's the punishment when you murder someone you get a slap on that little wrist bad boy.

The government doesn't have that authority because God has said much more than that thou shalt not murder. He's also given us case laws on how to handle murder how to handle certain types of murderers and it's different depending on the situation.

And all of that, but that part's not necessary to be a Christian nationalist. What a Christian nationalist is is someone who identifies God is in charge here and God has given us Moral commands and we all we do as a civil governing authority is confirm and acknowledge them and to carry them out.

That's what we do. And so Lauren Boebert is wrong. Maybe she just misspoke and maybe she's really one of the most intelligent women around. I have no idea. She doesn't strike me as very smart. But hey, I could be wrong.

I don't really follow her. I don't really know anything about her. I just know about her gaffes, which are pretty hilarious in any case. So that's the real answer here. So so so if if Bart Barber was smart He could see Anderson Cooper's play for what it is because what Anderson Cooper is doing and this is not just Anderson.

So Bart gets no credit for maybe I didn't know where Bart where Anderson Cooper was coming from. This is the play everyone is making right now. So if Bart Barber doesn't understand this play he is completely foolish.

He's a fool if he doesn't understand this because what Bart Barber is gonna say is that I'm sorry. What Anderson Cooper is saying is that anytime a Christian attempts to assert? Christian morality upon the civil governing authority in other words say you have to do this civil governing authority because God says that this is wrong.

You have to outlaw abortion because murder is wrong. Anytime a Christian does something that he doesn't like he's gonna call that Christian nationalism. That's the play according to the eyes of the pagan and Anderson Cooper is as pagan as they come according to the eyes of the pagan.

Anything Christian in public life is Christian nationalism. Bart Barber has to be smart enough to know that and so he has to make this distinction, you know. You know Anderson Lauren is wrong. The church doesn't direct the government.

But what is true and this is what every Christian ought to believe and you could say it in as nice a way as you Want Bart you could be a good old boy. You can even say it like a doofus. But what every Christian needs to believe is that God has spoken and he's got rules for the church.

And he's got rules for the civil governing authority and the civil governing authority ought to affirm that. Now, let's see what Bart Barber says cuz cuz cuz Anderson Cooper just challenged him with a with a Lauren Boebert clip here we go.

Contrary to 400 years of Baptist history and everything I believe about religious liberty. I'm opposed to the idea of Christian dominion churchly dominion over the operations of government. Why do you object?

Okay, stop.

Every time I leave the fight last feast conference. I always think to myself, you know, I should be Nicer. I Should be nicer, you know you hear Doug Wilson speak about the serrated edge and when he does it He does it in this very jovial Jolly, you know kind of way.

There's a lot of mirth. In fact, I've used that word twice in two days because that's just the word he chooses to use. It's a good word mirth. But if I'm honest There's a little bit of rage in my heart right now.

Man not only does Bart Barber Not see the play for what it is. This is the most telegraphed pass in the history of NFL football. This is I know this is not NFL football, but you know what? I'm saying this is the most obvious play in history.

Every every Christian action in government is now Christian nationalism according to this federal agent on the screen right now. That's right. He's a spook in any case and Bart Barber goes. It goes against 400 years of Baptist theology and it goes against everything.

I believe about religious liberty. I oppose Christian Direction of the government and then he kind of switches it. He says Christian Church direction. This is the thing he just played right into this is why he's interviewed by 60 minutes because he I'm not saying Bart is on the payroll.

But he's non-threatening. They knew they could mold him and turn him into anywhere they want and sure. Yeah, he'll disagree about abortion. You know, you're allowed to disagree about abortion. See this is the trick I think people would that thought this Bart Barber interview was so awesome.

This is what they miss right? This is what they miss. The pagans don't care if you are opposed to abortion. Just so long as you're not gonna do anything about it. You can say whatever you want. But the minute you start doing something about it, then they call you a Christian nationalist and then you get your PayPal account canceled.

That's what the see that's what they fear when you actually do something about fear Bart Barber he's he's for he's again, he's for for 400 years of Baptist theology and I'm for religious liberty. I oppose Christian direction of the government.

I oppose it and Anderson's about to turn him into a pretzel because the thing is Anderson's he senses blood in the I mean He probably sensed blood in the water from the beginning. But now that he said this Anderson's gonna jump all over abortion because how does that jive with what you've just said?

Well, it doesn't jive. It doesn't jive with what you've just said because if Christians Shouldn't direct the government in other words if Christians if Christian law Christian morality should not Judge what the government can and cannot do if the government can decide on its own what it can and cannot do then all of a sudden you've got chaos and you really have nothing to say about anything, but Because Bart is not entirely awful He does have something to say about something and now he's gonna be turned into a pretzel now.

He's gonna contradict what he just got done saying Christians shouldn't be directing government. But what about abortion? Okay, I.

Abortion, Murder, and the Unborn Child

Object to it because Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. I object to look at how look at how proud he was.

Uh, my kingdom is not of this world. That's like that's like the Trump. My kingdom is not this world the Baptist theology says so. That's not what the kingdom is not of this world passage means if you know anything about the kingdom is not of this world passage, you know, it was asked at it was it was towards the end of Jesus's life and He talks about how if his kingdom was of the world was if it was if it derived its power from the world.

Then his servants would be fighting, you know militarily to stop him from from from being killed, right? So what he's talking about is look we don't win. The same way you win the only way you guys can win is Fighting and you fight it out and you you slaughter each other and stuff like that and then whoever's tougher wins.

That's not how our kingdom works. Our kingdom is not of the world in that way. It's not deriving its its authority from this from from from from the world the same way yours does you get authority by killing?

That's not how God gets authority. God gets authority because he has it because of who he is. That's why he has authority. And so it's a completely not it's a non sequitur. It's a non sequitur and and Anderson is gonna deliver a death blow To this perspective in about five seconds, maybe not five seconds.

I don't remember. I listened to this earlier. He's gonna deliver a death blow to this perspective because as proud as bar my kingdom is not of this world. He doesn't understand what Anderson is doing here.

Anderson is making the case for Christians to not bring their Christianity into government and and and and and and this guy on the screen this this man. He's a key. I think Bart Barber's heart is in the right place.

I do. I don't think he's an enemy. I don't think he's. He's not equipped for the role that he's in. Let's just put it that way and He's agreeing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Christians shouldn't be directing the government because it goes against my kingdom is not of this world and What Anderson's about to pounce on this because he's got him.

He has him looking like a fool. Bart Barber ends up looking like a fool. Because of what he just said and now he has to not. He has he has to be inconsistent in the very next question he has to be and Anderson made him look like a fool in.

Two questions within two questions. Do it because historically every time it's been adopted it wound up persecuting people like me. Doesn't stop at persecuting people who are not Christians. It eventually winds up persecuting people who are Christians.

For him the flavor of their Christianity is different from that of the government.

Do you even do you even see like like like I have I have grace for Bart. Because I can't say that I would do better with Anderson Cooper because I've never been in a situation like that. So I can't say that.

But do you say I see I I oppose Christian nationalism because it's just assumed. It's just assumed that when when Christians are involved in government when Christians are directing a government It's persecuting instantly.

It's persecuting non-believers. He accepts that premise. Can you can you imagine a Christian man accepting the premise that when Christians are in government when Christians are directing government?

Automatically it assumes non-believers. You don't even challenge that part, but you say well, but but I oppose it. That's not because so much. We're a Persecuting non-believers because they're gonna persecute me Anderson me.

I'm the nicest guy. No, they're gonna persecute me. It's like he's and maybe maybe there's something cut there where Anderson talked about persecuting non-believers. But if there is even if there is he has to challenge that premise.

No, no Christians don't persecute unbelievers, that's not what we would do and If we did we'd be acting inappropriately wouldn't be acting Christian Lee. But if there's no cut there and and and Bart just offered that red meat to the pagans.

Yeah, here you go. You want some persecution? Yeah. Christians if they're in charge of government, they persecute. It's unbelievable like like this is gonna be nice I'm gonna be nice and I'm gonna calm down but anyway, so let's continue because again, he's about to Contradict his his a whole premise in in a second.

Support for the separation of church and state was a foundational principle for Baptists who faced religious persecution in England and America in the 1600s. Baptists split in 1845 over slavery, which is when the Southern Baptist Convention was founded.

The SBC supported slavery and later segregation on abortion. The SBCs opposition has hardened over the years. In 1971 they made exceptions in cases where there was quote the likelihood of damage to the emotional mental and physical health of the mother.

But in 1980 they narrowed that exception only to cases where pregnancy threatened the life of the mother. Bart Barber says he stands by that today.

So the trap has now been sprung because Anderson Cooper in his in his mind Bringing Christian morality into government is Christian nationalism. Bart Barber Pretty much without a fight said oh, I oppose it I oppose Christians directing the government and I be goes against the Baptist theology and By the way, Jesus his kingdom is not of this world and Anderson, you know, he's he's a smart guy, you know.

He's he's he's obviously a you know an agent, but he's a smart guy. And he says oh really Bart What about this abortion thing? Because that certainly seems to be due to me like you're bringing a Religious Christian conviction and insisting the government do something about it.

Is that not Christian nationalism? How how do you stand by that? And you know and Bart Bart has a good listen this is the best part I in my opinion of Bart's a little Interview here. We'll listen to it, but that's checkmate.

Your perspective Bart has been has been has been completely Demolished you're inconsistent. You're a hypocrite. Andrew Cooper has exposed you because it's like no, I actually kind of do believe in Christian nationalism.

Just yeah, but I still want to be friends with you. So I'm gonna say no no, no, no No, we can't do this. It's gonna they're gonna come after me. They're not just gonna persecute unbelievers. They're gonna persecute me.

Our interest with abortion is not it's not to police everybody's sex life. Our interest with abortion is that we believe that's a human person who deserves to live.

There's just why do you believe that Bart? Why do you believe that I Know why you believe that Bart. It's because God has said you shall not murder. It's because Jesus was Jesus fully man and fully God in the womb.

We know this. It's because Jesus it's because God says that that he knits together life in the womb and God says you shall not murder. That's why you know this and that's why the civil governing authority must Protect the lives of innocent babies According as murder if you murder them or murder for hire.

That's why we know because God has spoken and The civil governing authority is under God now. Tell me the difference between that and Christian nationalism.

Continue. Case. Recently a ten-year-old girl who was raped barred from having an abortion in Ohio. Was able to obtain one in in Indiana. I mean this is a little girl who. She has a right to life too sure.

Even in that case you think she should have the child. I do.

She should be forced out the child. I think I don't want that to sound like. I don't have tremendous compassion for her and her circumstance. I Wish we could put an end to ten-year-olds being raped.

I'm I'm trying to work against child sexual abuse because I think that's atrocious.

But you don't see forcing a ten-year-old child to Go to term with a baby that from rape as abuse of a child.

I I see it as preferable to killing someone else. Not surprising. I don't see this horrible.

What would be horrible would be to force them to murder or to allow them to murder because of this. That's what I would see as horrible. But the thing is like but but but that was pretty good. I mean, I mean, that's the that's the that's the sob story you know.

Example that everyone's going to use now if you're going to talk to somebody about abortion. You need to be ready for that story, right that story and they'll have others like it. And and and and and this is the thing Anderson.

We're talking about murder here murder. So you say oh, he'll be forced to have the baby. No, she's just barred from murdering the baby. That's what it is. She's barred from murdering the baby. Just like you'd be barred from murdering anybody.

Because it's a human being because we know it's a human being because God has said so because God has said you shall not commit commit murder and there's no caveat for. Unless you really really really want to because you know something bad happened to you.

It's not a justified killing. It's just that simple. That's what it is Anderson. It's not it's a sad situation. No question about it. But but but that sad situation does not justify a murder. It's just that simple.

BC, you know, I don't I don't know how many people notice this but but his whole perspective that he just got done saying a minute ago about how he believes in religious liberty and Christians shouldn't direct government because it always ends up in disaster because Christians always persecute because Pretty good commercial for Christianity Christians in government always persecute unbelievers.

And then eventually they could turn around and persecute believers do and it's like man like yeah I want to sign up on the dotted line to be a Christian there. It's ridiculous. It's a ridiculous perspective Bart and everyone who holds this perspective.

It is a ridiculous perspective. Give it up and the thing is the trap is being sprung right now you guys are going to end up being on the side of People that are actually persecuting Christians that actually hate Christians that actually want to bar Christians from the from the government.

That's the side that you're casting your lot in right now. And maybe the trap isn't completely sprung yet, but it's going to be sprung. Anderson knows when he says Christian nationalism. He's talking about you being against abortion.

He connects them. Anderson connects them. Why doesn't Bart connect them? I? Don't know. I don't know. I know some people think I'm naive for thinking that Bart is not a Bad a bad actor. I Mean he definitely acts poorly he just definitely not helping, but I don't think he's intentionally doing that I just don't think he's equipped for this.

I really don't. In any case I hope you found this Podcast helpful tune in next week on Thursday for ad on the fight laugh feast.