Matthew 24 the end or not the end

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My name is Jeff. I'm the pastor of Covenant Reformed Baptist Church. I also have a
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Yeah, I'm Pastor Brayden Patterson. I hope you guys are having a blessed day today. I have the privilege of pastoring a church in Hagerman, Idaho called
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Valley Baptist Church. I also have a YouTube channel called Reformed Ex -Mormon.
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I'd love for you guys to check it out, and it's a privilege and honor to be on here with Jeff and also
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Haps, who isn't here with us today, but on Open Air Theology. It's a blessing to be here with everyone. Yeah.
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Yeah. Ready to merch out. She did an awesome job on that, so if she's watching this, just know that we absolutely love it.
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It looks amazing. Yeah. So Matthew 24, it's the end of the world as we know it, or is it?
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Yeah, so we're going to get us started tonight, and so what we're hoping is we're hoping that there is a dispensational that watches us and that's willing to come on here and have a conversation, but not willing to get mad and angry and upset, but if you're watching this and you hold to a dispensational view and you can, like my
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Theocast friends would say, calm down and trust Christ and have a conversation, we welcome you on live with us, and as we get into it, we'll explain our positions, but right off the jump, so as you know, since we're looking for a premillennial dispensational to come on here and discuss these topics with us, we're not premillennial dispensational, so.
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Yeah, which I, this topic on Matthew chapter 24 in particular, dispensationalists have a, and to be fair, not all dispensationalists have this kind of view, but many, many, many dispensationalists would say that this is yet future for us, and I think this is one of the, the alarming part of this is that if you say this is yet future for us, it would seem that Christ got his prophecy or prediction of future events wrong, and that's because he says in this text that, that this generation will not fall away until these things have happened.
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It says in verse 35, or not 35, excuse me, there's verse 34, truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place, and so in my studying and preparation for this today, there was a, just looking through stuff, there's a book that came out in the 1900 period,
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Why I'm Not a Christian, and it comes from a person that used to be a dispensationalist that left the
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Christian faith, I would say that he was never a Christian, but he left the Christian faith, stopped professing to be a
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Christian because of some of this text that we see here, as he saw it as a failure of wording of Jesus Christ, a prophecy of Jesus Christ, and that's no bueno, not good.
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And there's a popular atheist right now doing the same thing. Is there? Yeah, so it's just like this real tall, blonde -haired guy, he's posting his videos on Facebook and all over the web talking about, you know,
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Christianity can't be true because the person they consider to be their prophet in God has false prophecy, and he goes to Matthew 24.
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Yeah, so it's, you know, it's fun things. Yeah. You know, of course, like I think
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I've commented and stuff like that and try to put them in this place. I know other Christians have as well.
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I'm pretty sure some of the main guys have challenged him to a debate, and nothing like that has flourished.
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Yeah. But so, yeah, if you are a premillennial dispensational and you can, you know, have a good conversation and you don't mind a little push and pull, and if you're willing to push and pull us, you know, we think it'll be fine.
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And as a matter of fact, so me and Brayden don't agree on everything when it comes to Matthew 24.
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Yep. So, I mean, like y 'all probably don't know this, but me and Brayden debate all the time.
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Like, we're always kind of, you know, behind the scenes pushing and pulling with each other, arguing, and we still love each other.
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Like, we still get on here and do this, and so we're hoping that some of that will come out.
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I'm not sure if it'll all come out tonight, but definitely once we get past verse 34, we're going to see some differences between Brayden and myself.
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Absolutely. But we're hoping that someone else jumps on here with us and has a different view.
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And excuse me for my voice. I know Brayden's struggling as well with allergies, the pollen, and I had pollen all over my vehicle.
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And maybe I put my hand on it and touched my face. I'm not sure, but I've been jacked up for a couple of days.
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And so, I downed some emergency before I got on here. Well, my voice is probably a little deeper.
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Well, probably a little more manlier than normal. That's right. Yeah. It's working out in your favor.
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Yeah. You know, if I can have allergies all the time, I'd sound real good. Yeah, I'm right there with you.
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This year so far has been killer for me. So, it's going to be fun. So, I'm sorry if I'm sneezing and blowing my nose in the background.
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I'll try my best to mute the mic. All right. All right. So, Matthew 24. Yes. All right.
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So, we didn't contact each other before and just kind of have a script of how you want to do this.
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So, do you want to read the whole thing or you just want to read a portion and kind of answer some questions?
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You know, the main thing to answer is at least to get to the three questions that's asked.
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Yes. Yeah. I'm trying to think of the best way to do it because not that I'm opposed to reading it every single time that we talk on this subject, but trying to think of the best way.
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Yeah. Let's maybe just read verses one through three and look at the questions that the disciples have to ask and then maybe we can talk about context of what's going on here.
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And maybe that would be a good place to start. You like that? Yeah, sounds good. You want me to read verses one through three?
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Yeah, if you want to. Yeah, absolutely. It says in here verses one through three and Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when his disciples came up to the point to point out the temple buildings to him and he answered and said to them, do you not see all these things truly?
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I say to you, not one stone here shall be left upon another, which will not be torn down.
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And he was sitting on the Mount of Olives and the disciples came to him privately saying, tell us when these things will be and what will be the sign of your coming and what will be the end of the age or the consummation of the age.
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And that is really the direct context that we see here coming into Matthew chapter 24.
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But there's a much broader context. I don't know if you want to go through some of that stuff. Let's just look at the three questions real quick.
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Let me pull up my Greek. I have my Greek on hand. I should have done this earlier.
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Forgive me. I'll grab my Greek. Our desk, my desk that I'm at now is the desk that I normally work from.
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I pulled up, pulled up Calvin. I don't need Calvin. Yes, you do. You need Calvin.
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Calvin, where art thou? There we go. I got to get away from these electronics, man.
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Okay, here we go. All right. Got everything pulled up. Yeah.
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So the, so I have wrote down here and as you can see in the text, three questions.
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First question is, when will these things be? Second one is, what will be the sign of your coming?
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The third question is, and the end of the age, right?
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Now, would you consider that, would you say that he answers this as one question at a time?
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Or would you say that these three questions that were asked has one answer? So I, my, my thinking on this is that traditionally and contextually wise that the
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Jews would have thought at the time that if the temple was being destroyed, the end of the world was happening, that that was, that was judgment taking place.
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The world was ending in that time. And so I think what they're doing in here is they're asking questions in regard to the fact of Jesus just saying the temple will be destroyed.
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And I, so I think what Christ has done is he's answering and how I read this, especially, and I think you would say that how you read this too, correct me if I'm wrong.
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We just may place the flip of this answer of the question in a different spot, but I think Christ is answering two different questions going on in here.
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I think that they ask three questions because they think it's one event, but Christ is differentiating two different things going on in here.
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Yeah. So I would say that there's three questions, but there's one answer. Yeah. Okay.
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But well, well, there's three answers, but they all culminate in the same event,
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I would say. So, so when I see when will these things be, it's coming right off the heels of him, given the, you know, depending on your
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Bible, the seven or the eight woes. Yeah. In chapter 23 and verse 29, he gives a woe to you, scribes,
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Pharisees, hypocrites. You build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous saying, if we had lived in the day, if they had lived in the days of our fathers, we would have not taken part with them in the shedding of the blood of the prophets.
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Yeah. Right here, 31. Thus you witness against yourself that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
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Fill up then a measure of your father. You serpents, you brood of vipers.
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How, right here, how shall you escape from being sentenced to hell? So he's speaking to the religious leaders and he says, how will you, the religious leaders,
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Pharisees, escape from being sentenced from hell? And then right here, verse 34, therefore,
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I send you prophets, wise men, scribes. Some of them you will kill, crucify, and some of them you will flog in synagogues and persecute from town to town.
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So that on you, speaking to the religious leaders, may come all the righteous blood shed on earth from the blood of righteous
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Abel to the blood of Zachariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.
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Truly, I say to you, the Pharisees, all these things will come upon this generation.
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The word generation, the Greek word is genea, and it is in the near demonstrative.
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So whenever his disciples say, when will these things be? I think they're speaking about him sending prophets, wise men, and scribes that will be crucified.
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And then when you get down here in Matthew 24, he actually explains to them that it's going to be them, and they're going to be dragged before the council.
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You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. So that would be my answer for the, when will these things be?
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And then it says, and what will be the sign of your coming? Mm hmm. You want to take that one or you want me to roll with it?
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Yeah. So sign of your coming, I would, and this is just me assuming where you're coming from on this as well, because this is where I would be coming is
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I think that the sign of your coming is again, uh, them thinking, uh, because in, in verses four through 34, particularly, there's some, some very strong wording about judgment coming upon a certain group of people.
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And it seems like it's a localized event and we'll talk a little bit more about that. Um, so I would maybe even preface the context a little bit more.
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Uh, chapter 21 has the triumphal entry of Jesus Christ and coming into the temple. Um, on his way into the city, the people are crying out,
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Hosanna, Hosanna, blessed be the name of the one who comes in the Lord. Uh, Christ comes in, cleanses the temple and begins to teach in the temple, these different things.
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In chapter 22, I would take special note of particularly, and this will drive some of my contextual reading later on in the chapter, which
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I don't think will affect us today. Um, but in chapter 22, it gets, he gives a parable of a wedding fest feast.
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That's going on fest wedding fest, wedding feast that is going on in here. And it's, I would say that one needs to take special note of in 21 as well, that it talks about these vine growers who the vineyard is going to be taken away from and given to another group of vine growers because the vine growers went and killed the servants that were sent on to them.
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Um, and I was saying that the vine growers would be the, the, the prostitutes and the tax collectors, as it previously stated.
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Yep. Yep. And so I'm tracking you. And so, um, in chapter 22, it says in there, um, it says, uh, well, so the wedding feasts has begun.
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He tells them to go out and send messengers unto his, uh, servants. And in verse four, it says again, he sent out other slaves telling, saying, tell those who have been invited, behold,
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I have prepared my dinner. My oxen and my fattened living livestock livestock are all butchered and everyone is ready.
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Come to the feast. But they said they paid no attention and went their way one to his own farm, another to his business and the rest seized his slaves and mistreated them and killed them.
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So just to kind of talk a little bit more about this and verse four, we see that the wedding invites don't take place until the father or the person that's putting the wedding on has dictated for the wedding to be ready.
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This was common tradition in the Jewish time that the father got to dictate when the wedding took place.
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So he was raising the animals to be killed and to feed the people. He was getting the wine ready.
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And though you could see with your eyes, the fattened cat, whatever was being sat, whatever was being killed, you could see whatever was going to be killed, getting fat.
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And you knew that the time was near for the wedding feast. You could see these things take place, but it was ultimately up to the father to say, this is the go time.
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And it was an honorable thing, just like how we, in our day, go to the father to ask for your future wife's hand in marriage.
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This was the honorable traditional thing in that day. And I'll play some stuff later on, but just take note of that in Matthew chapter 22, that there's been clearing out of the temple, wedding language that's been used.
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The Sadducees even ask more questions about wedding stuff because they've heard Jesus teach on this now.
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Another interesting thing to take note of is after these individuals in that wedding parable have seized the slaves, it says that the king was enraged and sent his armies and destroyed the murderers and set their city on fire.
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Then he said to the slaves, the wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Go therefore to the main highways and the many, as you find there, invite to the wedding feast.
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So we see that there's wedding that's been talked about. And then especially in chapter 23, with those seven or eight woes, depending on how you read that and how your
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Bible is set up, these woes are given to the Jews. And so I would say that the things that we see in here is judgment and a wedding.
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That's the common themes that have taken place. Judgment and wedding. So when
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I see here in the son of man is coming, we see later on in this text that he is coming on the clouds.
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Let me see here. Pay attention to verse 29 in Matthew chapter 24, verse 29.
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It says, but immediately after those days or immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.
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And the stars will fall from the sky and the powers of heaven will be shaken. And then the sign of the son of man will appear in the sky.
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And then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will see the son of man coming on the clouds of the sky with great power and glory.
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Now in chapter 23 verses 28 through 39 says part of those seven woes,
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Christ says, behold, your house is being left to you desolate for, I say to you from now on, you shall not see me until you say, blessed is he who comes in the name of the
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Lord. This I'm thinking of the next place I want to go. Mark chapter 14.
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And this is just to see the commonality of this language that is being used here by Christ.
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Mark chapter 14, verse 61 to 63. This is when
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Jesus is before Caiaphas and the high priests. In verse 61, he says, but he kept silent and made no answer.
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Again, the high priest was questioning him and saying to him, are you the Christ, the son of the blessed one?
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And Jesus said, ego me, I am, and you shall see the son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming with the clouds of heaven and tearing his clothes.
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So the high priest tears his priestly garb, tearing his high clothes. The high priest said, what further need do we have as a witness?
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You have heard the blasphemy. How does it seem to you? And they all condemned him to be deserving of death. And so when we see this term, we need to understand it as judgment coming upon.
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In Mark chapter 14, he was speaking to the person questioning him. And in this text, it would seem that he's talking about the nation of Israel for rejecting him, for desecrating his father's temple, for violating it, for rejecting him as the
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Messiah. To me, when I read this, it sounds like Christ is coming in unfettered wrath against the
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Jewish nation, particularly in 70 AD. So when I see them asking, once again, they're asking,
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I think they're asking three questions, but I think it's they're thinking in their mind that this is one event that's taking place.
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And so they're just saying, okay, when will these things be? When's the sign of your coming? And what's the consummation of the age?
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They're asking these things, even though the 70 AD is not yet. I think you're letting some of your amillennialism out when you say consummation of these things.
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I am. I am. No doubt. I'm catching it. I'm grabbing it. No doubt. I'm going to rebuke it later.
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I love it. Love it. No, you're good. I was just going to say, yes,
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I just see that Christ is going to be answering them and particularly correcting them a little bit in their misunderstanding, as he often does.
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So I hope that answers the second question. Yeah, man, it was good. And I would also point out where it says, like it clearly lays out the three questions.
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Tell us when will these things be? And right here, I forgot to turn my phone on silent.
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Excuse me. No, you're good. I'll answer you in just a minute,
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Matt. What will be the sign of these things and the, hold on.
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Okay. When will these things be? And what will be the sign of your coming? So when I look here in my
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Greek, the word for coming is, I just moved away from it.
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Here it is. It's parousia. So this can mean.
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And so you need to understand that they're in the presence of Jesus and they're asking him, what will be the sign of his presence?
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All right. Well, well, something's going on here, right? So they're in the presence, they're in the parousia of the bodily
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Jesus, God in flesh. And they're saying, so when can we expect your presence?
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Now, if that doesn't make you think, you don't have a heartbeat. So I know there's a lot of full preterists that out there that would say that this is speaking about the, the coming of Jesus in 70
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AD. And I would agree with them in that, but I wouldn't say that that was his second coming. So his coming in 70
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AD is not his second coming, but then the premillennial dispensation or maybe even some all males out there would say that this is speaking about his, his future bodily coming, the second coming of Christ.
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But it just doesn't seem to make sense because he's in their presence and they're asking him about when his presence is coming.
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And as you read through the scriptures, it's, it's, it's, it's actually very clear that they don't have a clue what's going on.
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Right. Like, like they have no clue. Jesus is constantly having to remind them of, of things, remind them of the gospel, remind them that, that, that, that he is going to die.
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He's going to be buried and he's going to raise from the dead. He's constantly having to remind them these things.
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And so when I read this, I don't think that they get it right, right here of that.
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Okay. You're going to die. You're going to bury, you're going to raise, you're going to go to the father, and then you're going to come back to us years and years and years down the road.
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Like, I don't believe that this is what they're talking about. I believe it's, you know, it's like the, they know that this is talking about the ushering in of a new covenant, a new age.
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Hmm. That sounded not good, Jeff. I don't know if you caught that.
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I did. Okay. And then you come to this last point and what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age.
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And so like the whole part of Matthew 24 is going to be explaining those three things.
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And we're going to see all three of those things in this section. And so just to get my, like,
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I'm not going to explain my position right now and you can go ahead and do yours as well. So when
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I see the end of the age, it's the Greek word aeon. So there's different ways that you can say the word world.
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And so like the most popular way would be a Cosmo, which basically means all of earth, basically.
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So if you see the word Cosmo, it's actually speaking of the created order, all the earth.
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Then there's the word oikomene, which we would see as again,
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I'm not going to go through the text right now and explain all these things. We will definitely get there. So oikomene would be the known land.
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And we can use Luke chapter two, verse one to see that this is speaking about the Roman providence. Rome was over 10
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King. I mean, Rome had 10 Kings and they were over 10 kingdoms. Seven heads, 10 horns, 10 diadems, just throw some revelation in there.
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And then the end of the age,
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I would see as the end of the old covenant,
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Judaic age. And so you would see that we're still in the age that they're talking about here, correct?
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Yeah, I would. I would. Yeah. And I would say that the end of the age took place at 70
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AD. And then we can get into that if you want to tonight, or we just go through whichever.
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But the three questions go around that. When will be the sign of, when will be these things, talking about the persecution, when will be the sign of your coming, his parousia, his presence coming in judgment, and when will be the end of the age, which
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I would take as the end of the the, the earthly kingdom people, their system.
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And you can explain how you want to. No, I love it that. So just to kind of reiterate some little bit on the sign of the coming of the son of man,
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I would also look at the book of revelation. And I want to say in the very first five chapters that uses that word coming four or five times.
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And it's, it's continually about coming in judgment. He tells different churches to repent unless he is coming.
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It sounds like this, there's multiple comings of Christ or God to people that are in sin against him that are going against him.
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And so that doesn't necessarily always have to put it in the category of the second coming. And so when I see 70
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AD, I see that as an absolute prophetic fulfillment of God's wrath against the people that rejected him and called out for him to be crucified when they were the first ones to receive him, the ones that should have accepted him.
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And so I see that that is a, a coming of Christ and judgment when it comes to the, the, the, the consummation or the end of this age.
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I, once again, I think because consummation is, is once again, marriage language.
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And so I think that what they're doing is they're, they're consummation in here, the, the
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Greek, let me see here. Let me see. Like, so for, for my
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NASB translation, it says that one other way of reading that would be consummation. I'm going to pull up on my
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Matthew 24 bio level blue letter Bible app right here.
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Mine has it, the Jewish messianic period. And of course my, my
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Greek is a preterist. Yes. Yeah. So mine, I don't know if you can see it, but the interlinear blue letter
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Bible app, it says completion, consummation or end millennial dispensational.
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Gosh, dang it. Dang it. Yeah. Can't even trust my own apps I'm using anymore.
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Anyway. So I do see that this is marriage language that they're asking about personally. And so being the position,
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I would say the marriage language comes in, in chapter 25, which we're going to go through it. Oh, totally. I think it does as well there too.
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I totally do. But I think that's part of the question that Jesus is answering because of the question that they asked.
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I think the question that he asked is driving him to use that marriage language later on in a parable.
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That's where my mind goes with this. So, but this age and the age to come, I see those two phrases used often throughout the new
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Testament. I think that the stuff in this age, I see that this age, the day of the
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Lord and the age to come, age to come, I would say as eternal state or the consummation of God's kingdom.
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So what do you do with first Corinthians chapter 10 verse 11? First Corinthians chapter 10 verse 11.
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Yeah. And let me answer Matthew real quick. Hey, so you asked if I was post male.
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Well, I used to say that I was post male, but every time
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I did, people would assume that I am a, a theonomist, a theonomist, and I am not a theonomist.
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So instead of saying post male, I say that I am a optimistic partial preterist, an optimistic partial preterist.
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There's a, there's definitely a lot of things that I agree with the post male about. And there's a lot that I agree with the all males about.
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But I think the post male can get too physical when it comes to the kingdom and the all males are too spiritual when it comes to the kingdom.
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So I kind of ride the fence and I'd rather just say I'm an optimistic partial preterist.
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I find that's my safe zone. You should just say you're a partial preterist you'll be well accepted into the home.
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I'm just kidding with you. Again, I mean, you know, there's a lot that you say that I agree with.
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Yeah, absolutely. And we'll get into that. Yeah. If someone asks some questions, poking prime, we'll have to figure it out.
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Yeah. So, so, so going back to that question of first Corinthians chapter 10 verse 11, I don't know the text off the top of my head to be able to speak well educatedly on it, but the word basically says, now these things happen to them as an example, but they were written down for our instructions on whom the ends of the ages have come.
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So that word end is different than the word end in the question that's being posed to him.
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It's a different Greek word. So, like I said, I don't know the context off the top of my head to be able to speak educatedly on it, but like I would,
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I would push back and ask if, if, if you think that the age to come is the age that we're in right now, how do you deal with Luke 20, 35, that in that verse, it says that there will be no marriage in the age to come or any, really any texts there's.
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So there's several things. If we look at the age to come, there's, there's blasphemy, that's not forgiven, which is also not forgiven in this age.
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We receive eternal life in the age to come no marriage in the age to come and power and superiority superiority of God in the age to come, which is also, it's really easy.
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It's really easily answer because the, the, the age to come is a here and not yet. Okay. Yeah.
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So that sounds all nil. Well, already not yet. Yeah. Well, what?
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Yeah. I mean, well, it's just like the kingdom, the kingdom is here, but it's not consummated.
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So the, the age is here, but it's not consummated. Yeah. None of that consummation takes place until the second coming of Jesus.
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His first coming is basically inaugurates it, but then the consummation doesn't take place until, but of course, you know, like with his blood and stuff like that, because there was a period of time to where you had the old, the old covenant on the earth, then there was an overlap of the new covenant.
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And so, and I would say that these covenants represent in the ages and all, and, and, and, and, and let me go to some verses real quick.
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I got written down just to kind of point out. So in Galatians chapter one, Paul calls it the, the, this evil.
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Let me pull it up real quick. I said, pull it up as I'm thumbing through my
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Bible. While you're going there. Yeah. I'll just,
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I'll just quickly just say though, I do think that that's the question being posed to him as a wedding type question about this age coming to an end.
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And I think that that in the first coming of Christ, he inaugurated the kingdom, inaugurated his, his wedding.
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He was betrothed at that point in that sense, and not a metaphorical language.
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And in the second coming, he is presented a bride as the wedding day. The consummation of the age is what
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I, how I read that text. And so that's kind of the lens I'm going through. And I think that that's where the Jews are getting it wrong at, or the disciples of Christ that are asking him about it.
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They're getting it wrong because they're just wanting to group it all together. And then Christ explains a little bit more about what he's meaning that the temple is not the end of this age, in my opinion.
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Right. Right. Right. So Paul, in the letter to the Galatians, he opens up as Paul and apostle, not from man nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God, the father who raised him from the dead and all the brothers who are with me to the churches of Galatia, grace to you and peace from God, the father, our
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Lord Jesus Christ right here, verse four, who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the will of our
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God and father. So I would say that the president, I got one more verse, the present evil age is the, the
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Jewish system, the system that, that, that command for obedience to the law, circumcision and all this other stuff.
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And so in Hebrews chapter nine, he's explaining the furniture of the, of the, the furniture in the holy place and in the holy of holies.
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And then how the, the priest would enter in on the day of Yom Kippur, Yom Kippurim, the day of atonement.
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And then in verse eight, he's speaking of, of the holy spirit, but also the section, the holy places is by this.
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The holy spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet open as long as the first section is still standing, which is symbolic for the present age.
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All right. As long as that temple is standing, it's symbolic for the present age.
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Temple goes, that age is gone. I, I would, cause
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I still think that we're in that sinful age that was being spoken of in that one verse. And I, I, what is, what is
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Galatians about is about the Judaizers trying to get people underneath the, the old covenant system.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. Come on. Absolutely. No, I know that. I know that. I still do.
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I think that that's still speaking of, of this present age where sin is still residing.
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And that's why I think that the age to come is, is a glorified state where sin is no longer present in our flesh.
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It's been glorified. I'd have to think on that a little bit more, Jeff. That's a good one.
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Yeah. Hey, I have, I have one or two of them. So I got, we got someone asking a bunch of questions. Yeah. We have a lot of questions.
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I can't really catch them all. Do you mind if I just respond real fast to KLH arts real quick?
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They said, I don't remember why I'm subscribed to this channel. Once saved, always saved. We are thankful that you were subscribed, but we do believe that the atonement of Christ is powerful enough, not only to save us, but also to keep us.
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And that are us being saved is not a reliance on my faithfulness, but on God's faithfulness.
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And I fall short every day. And I'm thankful for the tone of Christ that keeps me in him. That's my response back to Kelly charts.
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I appreciate you being subscribed. I hope you're stay subscribed. All right.
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Success by force. You have posted a lot. If you could pick one of these questions you've asked and say, okay, answer this one, but there's no way that I could get to all 10 or 15 of them.
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So have patient with us patients with us. If there's one, you really won't answer posted again.
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Okay. Just put, if Jesus established a covenant in the house of David, doesn't one of David's seeds have to establish it with him?
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No, Jesus is the offspring of David. Acts chapter two, Peter makes this very, very clear.
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And I'll just leave it at that for right now. I was like, I can keep on going on it. Yeah. Well, we can get rabbit trailed real here fast here.
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So do you just want to keep on going through chapter 25? I'm sure we're going to come back to verses one through three often.
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And I think for everybody, let's just move through the verses and we'll just go from there. And I mean, of course we're going to the answer to this age is going to pop up here and there.
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I mean, and it's okay to say that we're on this side or that side. Yeah. It's funny because we were still saying, like,
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I'm still saying I'm partial predators. Definitely not as firm as a partial predators is what you are, but I'm saying a partial predators of Matthew 24 through certain verses.
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Yeah, definitely. Once we get to verse 35 and onward, it's really going to come out. And I don't want to give everything
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I've got right now. We can't spoil. You guys just got to pay attention next week when we come back again.
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Actually, I won't be here next week. Just heads up. Okay. I'll be back at work next week. We'll probably take a break next week then.
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All right. So let's read that again. So verses one through three, and let's just read the verses 14.
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Read the verse 14. Yeah. Copy. You want me to read that again? If you want to. Yeah, absolutely.
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And Jesus came out from the temple and was going away when his disciples came up to point out the temple buildings to him.
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And he answered and said to them, do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here shall be left upon another, which will not be torn down.
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And as he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately saying, tell us when these things will be.
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And what will the sign of your coming be in the end of the age? And Jesus answered and said to them, see to it that no one misleads you.
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For many will come in my name saying, I am the Christ and will mislead many. And you will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars, seeing that you are not frightened for those things must take place.
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But that is not yet the end for the nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom. And in various places, there will be famines and earthquakes, but all of these things are merely the birthing of earth pains or is merely the beginning of birth pains.
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Then they will deliver you to the tribulation and will kill you. And you'll be hated by all nations on account of my name.
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And at that time, many will fall away and will deliver up one another and hate one another.
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Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. And because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold.
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But the one who endures to the end, he shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a witness to all the nations.
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And then the end shall come. All right. So, yeah, I mean, like we can totally see this is happening right now.
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There's people out here that are claiming to be Christ. There's wars. There's rumors of wars. There's definitely earthquakes.
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There's, you know, there's, you know, this is definitely the beginning of all pains. I mean, everyone's supposedly experienced in tribulation.
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The you here is actually me. You know, I've known people to fall away and betrayed me.
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Again, there's many false prophets and lawlessness has increased. But, you know,
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I mean, of course, we're not saved by grace through faith because we have to endure to be saved, endure to the end.
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And, you know, this is happening today, tomorrow. It's going to happen. Right.
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Right. You could you could, you know, and to be fair, you know, I've read commentaries with idealistic interpretation of this text, and that's that's their argument is very similar to what you said that this is this is ageless.
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This is timeless. This is rhetoric that's given to all people in all times, in all ages, in all situations to help encourage them through such.
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I think contextually wise that that falls short. This is definitely speaking of a certain time, a certain place, a certain event that's going to happen.
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I think personally, I think when you read this in context, I think that the most damning evidence of this is in.
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Where is it at? In verse.
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Sorry about that. There's a lot of verses here to remember where I'm looking at. And just in the next couple of verses in verse 16, it says, then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
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And this is just this is just after it says in verse 15. Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel, the prophet standing in the holy place, let the reader understand, then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
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We have to remember you and I are not Judea, Jeff. What? We're not.
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We're not. We're not part of the twelve tribes of Israel, ethnic Jews. We're not in Jerusalem currently.
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We're not in Judea. Not only that, but let's think about this rationally.
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If we were to say versus three through fourteen, and that's just what we're talking about right now is speaking about a future tribulation, right, that the dispensationalists would often put in the time frame of a seven year period.
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Right. If we were to say that, can the Christian, can the believer escape it from by going to the mountains?
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Can they escape the seven year tribulation by going to the mountains? Well, I just get on a plane, fly to Jerusalem.
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No, you can't do that. And not only this, but if you believe in a secret rapture, which is complete, not true.
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I'll just be nice and say that that's not true, not biblical. If you believe in a secret rapture, why then does it say then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains?
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You don't have to flee to the mountains because you've already been secret raptured out of here. This is speaking about a localized event with people that are heeding the words of Christ that can escape the tribulation, can escape the wrath.
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Now, we're talking about the wrath of God, whether you say that this is in the seven year tribulation period or this is the second coming of Christ, you are even worse because you cannot escape the judgment of God in the second coming.
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Right. You can't. And so in verse sixteen, it's damning that those physical people that heeded these words of Christ were able to escape this tribulation, this desolation that was spoken of Daniel.
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This is most fitting to the generation that did not pass after Christ, which is once again spoken of in this text, and that is the people of 70
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AD that were able to escape the destruction of the temple and flee to the physical mountains outside of Judea and find safety.
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Right. How do you want to break those verses up? You want to talk any more about that? Well, I mean, so it definitely says in Jesus' answer, it says, see that no one leads you astray, for many will come in my name saying,
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I am the Christ and many will lead you astray. Now, I really couldn't point you to a text where someone is actually saying, hey,
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I am the Christ. Right now, there's there's extra biblical sources that point to Simon, the magician who who rose up in those days and and started a little
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Christian set, a false Christian set. But I think for the most part that what
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I could what I can point you to is in first, excuse me, second John, second
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John, verse seven, second John, verse seven, says this, for many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh.
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Such a one is a deceiver and the Antichrist.
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So at this time, when John's writing this letter, there's a man by the name of Serenthes. Serenthes is a teacher that rose up during this time, and so this would be early
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Gnosticism. He taught that as Jesus was being baptized by John and as he came up out of the waters, the
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Christ came down out of heaven and rested upon Jesus. And that Jesus had an earthly mother, earthly father, and that there was nothing significantly special about his birth.
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But that after the Christ rested upon him, that the Christ performed miracles through Jesus.
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And then when Jesus was crucified, the Christ left
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Jesus and went back to being in heaven. And so Jesus died, buried, did not come from the grave.
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All right, so this was a teaching that was being taught during this time, and Paul is saying that such a teaching is false and it's
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Antichrist. And so this could be put into what
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Matthew is trying to tell us about what Jesus is saying, is people are saying that the other
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Christ could be another teaching about him differently than what he has taught.
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And that through that, of course, I'll get into it later, I guess, when it comes to 1
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John 18, where it's talking about Antichrist as well. And I would say that that's speaking of the
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Jewish religious system, those that deny that Jesus is the Christ. So there's two
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Antichrists. If you deny that Jesus is the Christ, you're Antichrist, and that's what the Jews were doing when they denied
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Jesus. And then Sorrentis, who denied that Jesus Christ came into the flesh.
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So one denies that Jesus is the Christ, the other one denies that Jesus Christ came into the flesh. And in both ways, you're
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Antichrist. And so if you follow a teaching about Jesus that's not the true biblical
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Jesus, then you're... So I would say you have been led astray and we see that that happened then, but we also see that that happens now.
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I mean, my brother Brayden was LDS for 19 years.
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There's Jehovah's Witnesses. There's all different kinds of religion, Islamism. There's all different kinds of religion that speaks about a
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Jesus, but it's not the Jesus of the Bible. And by that, if someone listens to one of these cultic religions, they're falling for, they're being led astray.
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And false cults are nothing new. Like it was taking place the moment
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Jesus left the earth. They were already people claiming different things about the Messiah. I know you said you needed to go at 50 minutes.
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Yeah, I got to get going. I wish we could talk a little bit more about what Succeeded by Force is saying right now.
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Just trying to keep along with reading what he's been saying. I mean, I can stay on and answer questions if need be.
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Don't go any further into Matthew 24. I've got to be here for that. No, it's been a blessing going through this.
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I'm excited about the further conversations that we have in it and just talking about our conclusions in the text, looking at it.
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You bummed me out. I was a part of the, you bummed me out, Jeff, bringing up Mormonism. I was a part of the spirit of the
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Antichrist. Dang it. But that's what it is. It is. It is. Yeah. Anyone who,
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I mean, take an atheist. An atheist would deny that Jesus is the
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Christ, the son of the living God. They would deny that the Christ came into the flesh. The spirit of the Antichrist. That's the spirit of the
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Antichrist. Anyone that denies that Jesus is the Christ is
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Antichrist, period. Yep, period.
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Succeed by force. If you're willing to come on and have a conversation, we would set up a conversation, but you'd have to come on here where we can talk.
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It's so much easier. It's fine for us to answer one question or something like that, but to keep on pouring and pouring and pouring, it's so much easier if we can just set a time one night on a here.
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We're looking at each other. We can have a conversation and you can ask whatever questions you want that way.
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If that's fine with you. Yeah, but yeah, you have to be cordial. I would knock you off the screen, but if you're cordial and you want to have a conversation, we welcome you on to have these conversations.
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We always invite people with questions. If you want to come on and have a conversation with us, please do.
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We're actually looking for someone at the Dispensational View who wants to come on here and walk through Matthew 24 with us, but whenever it comes to pushing and pulling, you can't get mad.
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We don't get mad. You can't get mad, but if you have one or two questions, that's fine, but you're going to hit us with a whole bunch of things, so if you want to come on here and do that, please email us or message us how we can get a hold of you, and believe me,
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I will get a hold of you. Love it. Well, since you got to leave, I'll go ahead and get off.
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I haven't got to prepare my sermon this week, so I probably should get off and work on my sermon.
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We'll pick this up next week. We love everybody. Any last words? Just once again, that's succeeded by force that I am open to that, and that makes a lot of sense.
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I can do it without my face cam on video, lol. If you go on to Facebook, look up Open Air Theology, and then just get on there, message us, and we'll get it all set up because I would be blessed to have you on here to talk with you about that kind of stuff for sure.
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So yeah, final thing. Jesus is Lord, King, Redeemer, Priest, Prophet.
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He is the fulfillment of all Old Testament prophecy. But is he the Christ? Oh, he is the
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Christ. Thank you for bringing that up. He is the Christ, and he has purchased for himself a people to glorify himself, and upon that I say amen.
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He is the Christ, and Jesus is the Christ. And next time, I promise, we'll kick off next time before we even get into this talking about our different position.
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I'll dive into more partial plethorism and being optimistic, and I'll let you dive into all male partial plethorism and idealism.
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And then we'll get into the verses. All right, see y 'all next week. Hallelujah. Hallaback! God bless.