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On this 14th day of June 2018 I'm delighted to have as a returning

guest today Steve Martin who is the coordinator of the Association of Reformed Baptist

Churches of America Also known as ARCA and he's the dean of students at the new

IRBS theological seminary.

If you're wondering what IRBS stands for that stands for the Institute for Reformed Baptist Studies

which was until recently a separate institution of higher learning and now has

become Officially IRBS theological seminary in Mansfield, Texas with

classes beginning God willing in the fall of this year.

And today Steve is going to be addressing confessionalism versus

minimalism and It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Steve Martin.

Well, thank you very much.

Well, I I do consider it an honor and a privilege.

And before we go on to our discussion.

Which a lot of our a lot of our listeners who are not from confessional churches.

They may be New Christians, they may not even be Christians at all.

Or perhaps wondering what on earth are they talking about confessionalism versus minimalism?

They might even be thinking we're talking about the Roman Catholic sacrament of penance which

involves confession.

But that is not at all what we're talking about.

But before we get into that theme Please tell our listeners about the Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of

America also known as ARCA.

Well,

I'm an

in fact

you

use the word

that may have

struck a little

fear into

Baptist

listening.

You use the word denomination and ARCA is not a denomination.

Yes,

and

the.

President of the IRBS theological seminary the seminary that we will have you.

Describe in just a second.

He wrote a book specifically on the difference between denominations and associations, correct?

Yeah,

there

there

was a.

Very Primary Interest in when when ARCA

was formed in preserving the local autonomy of the local

church in that there was no hierarchy outside of the local elders other

than Christ himself in his inerrant word.

Exactly.

And now let's

hear about

the IRBS

theological

seminary, which is launching God willing this September.

Well.

Great, and

I

want

to

give

a shout

out

to

a

listener

in emo.

Ontario Canada named Jim who contacted me the last time.

Dr. Jim Renahan was on the show.

Jim said that he had tears in his eyes because he has a burden to go to seminary and he has been

Encouraged to do so by at least one pastor who he highly regards.

And I don't know if Dr. Renahan and Jim and emo Ontario Canada

have actually touched base with each other.

Yes, but I just yet.

But I just wanted to give a shout out to Jim in case he's listening and Provide for him further encouragement

to pursue a seminary education.

Especially since not only does he believe he has that calling himself, but he's been encouraged by others including a

Pastor that he has high regard for so.

Well.

By the way If anybody wants more information, I'll be repeating this later.

But if anybody wants more information about ARBCA, which is the Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America That

website is a RBCA calm that once again

is the Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America a RBCA calm and If you

are interested in finding out more about the IRB s theological seminary

Go to IRB s seminary org and Make sure you

put the two s's in the middle there.

Sometimes when there are two s's back -to -back people leave one of them out when they're writing out a website.

It's IRB s seminary org.

So there's two s's in there.

Uh, well, let's move on to our discussion today.

The theme of our discussion confessionalism Versus minimalism.

Why don't you obviously for those of our listeners who are unfamiliar with those terms?

Why don't you define both confessionalism and minimalism?

Good

point.

Thanks

Chris

writing

what

we

the

ears.

Yeah,

they

would

a

church

would

either

have

to.

Overcome the hurdle of abandoning altogether the confession that they once claimed to

adhere to.

Right, or they would just give lip service to it and be an actuality.

They would be lying.

And they would just have this as some kind of an official record of their their faith, but they would be

straying either far beyond it or They would

not be even recognizing a great majority of.

So if we

are going to

be.

Listing what would primarily be the confessions amongst the Reformed?

Of course, there were Lutheran confessions and others.

But if you're talking about within historic Calvinism and the Reformed churches, you would be Talk talk talking

about the Westminster Confession.

You would be talking about the Savoy Declaration you would be talking about the three forms of unity which

include the Heidelberg Catechism the Belgic Confession and the Canons of Dort and You would also be

talking about the 1689 London Baptist Confession, which is the confession that you and I

adhere to and it has cousin confessions like the Philadelphia Confession of Faith and the New Hampshire Confession and there's some

others and We even have the 39 articles of religion that

historically Calvinist and biblically faithful Anglicans Have adhered to

and a very small minority today still adhere to.

That's correct.

It's one of the tragedies.

I grew up in the Episcopal Church and my church was.

Well, I can give a plug to at least two Confessionally Reformed Anglicans

that in fact, I'm gonna have on my program.

This Tuesday the 19th of June.

Thomas Isham or Isham.

I can't remember how to pronounce his name.

He's been on the program once before and my friend Jacob Smith who is the rector

at the parish of Calvary st George's in New York City in Manhattan, and he is

a low church 39 articles Calvinist Episcopal minister and that church

is also a very historic church, it was the the congregation founded by

Stephen Ting who's.

And.

I had a tour of the building.

It's very fascinating and and ting had a lot to do with the input on the architecture on the

architecture of st. George's and it is Less ornate than

many Baptist churches.

Well, that's a good thing then.

Yeah, he only had a Simple wooden table for the communion table with no

candlesticks.

No golden chalices.

He did not even have a barren cross on the wall.

He had behind him on the wall the The

Apostles Creed and the Ten Commandments.

Wow.

And So there you have an example of a low church

Episcopalian and he is a great man of God and I'm sure.

Knowing Mike Gadosh and solid ground Christian books.

You must be familiar with some of the the books that solid ground Christian books brought into print

or back into print by Stephen Ting including the law and gospel and

The Christian pastor as I believe for the other book that.

Century.

The

man that

I

just

mentioned

before

Thomas

Isham.

He is the author of.

The the very biography that you're talking about about Meikle

vein.

Okay, there you go.

Well, so many churches.

Pretty

amen.

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To start the ball rolling with the value and importance of confessionalism.

I could just recall and I know that my listeners probably have heard me repeat this story two or three other

times.

But I just find it very humorous when I think of the the concept or the theme of confessionalism.

I have a very good friend who is a fundamentalist an anti -calvinist King

James only Fundamentalist and and despite those things we still remain

friends and He and some of his fellow pastors

within that background of fundamentalism.

They were clients of mine on the radio where I used to work WMCA in.

It is now in New York City.

It used to be in, New Jersey they had a program called the fundamental Baptist Forum and

One day this pastor was mocking me and

reformed Baptists in general and He said one of the reasons he would never be a reformed Baptist

is because they have the 1689 London Baptist Confession.

Where we fundamentalists think that the Bible is just good enough on its own.

We don't need any man -written documents and I said, oh that's interesting.

Because I happen to know that you and your friends.

Who host the fundamental Baptist Forum you have a guideline as to who is

permitted? to be a participant on this radio program and.

Those things include you must be pre -millennial.

You must not have rock and roll music in your churches.

You must not permit women to wear pants.

There there was this long list of things that they made as requirements For people

to be a speaker on the fundamental about this forum.

I said do you realize that this guideline is your confession of faith whether you call it that or not and it's about ten

times the size of the 1689.

So and as John Thornberry the Baptist historian.

Once said even to say I do not believe in confessions of creeds is

a confessional or creedal statement.

Well, tell us about if you want to get involved in a little bit of the history involving

confessions among the Baptists because.

Because most Baptists outside of our circles Either are non -confessional or they.

They perhaps never have even heard of the fact that there are Baptists that have something called the confession of faith.

So why don't you tell us about that and why it that proved to be an important thing in history?

You've probably lost about half of the audience with the Ed Sullivan reference.

I.

Carol Burnett would probably be more contemporary even though she's been off the air for a long time.

Yes, exactly.

Amen, in fact, we have to go to a break right now.

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coordinator of the Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America And he is also the

Dean of Students at the IRBS Theological Seminary in Mansfield, Texas.

We are talking about confessionalism versus minimalism and That this

issue especially amongst Baptists Seems to have been

a cause of division for centuries whether or not to use Confessions of faith and as we

said earlier It's really almost an artificial Distinction to say that you don't have a confession when even

saying that you you should not have a confession is a creedal or confessional statement, but tell us more about why

a confession of faith is a very valuable

and important thing for a church to possess especially In the

21st century there has never been a time Amid the religious

pluralism and All kinds of Compromise

and division and apostasy Within within churches and denominations that historically were

very faithful to the Bible I think having a confession is even more important today than it ever in history.

I.

Would

agree

with

you.

In a

weaker

condition.

Now.

Some people use the terms Confession and creed as synonyms.

They use them interchangeably, but others have said That a

creed is typically a briefer document with the goal of having a greater spectrum

of unity.

For instance like the Apostles Creed you have unity amongst nearly

everyone who professes to be a Christian at least one that would believe in the inerrancy of Scripture and they

would have as a basis the elements of the Apostles Creed.

But then you have a confession which is more detailed and it's not.

It's not its intention is not for a a wide spectrum of unity.

It's its intention is to have unity amongst a smaller group within Christendom that has

more specific beliefs.

Would you agree with that?

Differentiation of a confession in the creed.

Probably true,

but

or

creeds

or

either

one

of

them were

written.

But even

having said

what

you

did.

The great confessions are all Reasonably brief that it would be

probably not even probably I think it would be wrong for the drafters and

architects of those confessions if they were to make them massive tomes because then

there would be a lot more Speculation involved a lot more things that would be demanded that are

really areas of Liberty and where differences of conviction

are permissible and so on.

You don't have any confession that is a beloved Long -lasting historic confession that is

even near the size of for instance Calvin's Institutes or something like that.

You don't have anything there.

They're all.

They're all fairly brief.

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Steve we have an anonymous listener.

He gives me his city and state but since he wants to be anonymous, I'm not even going to Announce the city and state

he says Do you think the broadness of?

The BFM.

Allows.

Infiltration of feminism ordaining women and I am assume he means the Baptist faith and message

when he says BFM.

Thank you.

What did you think that it allows.

The broadness allows infiltration of feminism ordaining women critical race theory and

Normalizing homosexuality.

Subtle, but I fear it is actually happening.

And this is the anonymous listener.

Amen.

And there are obviously as you know, some very fine confessional reformed

Baptist churches within the Southern Baptist Convention many many of which are a part of founders ministries

and.

Of course.

Founders ministries churches are not all confessional and they're not all adhering to the same Baptist

Confession but there are quite a number of 1689 confessional brethren in that group.

Sure, and in the Southern Baptist Convention was founded entirely by Calvinistic Baptists.

Well, thank you very much anonymous and we now have sickly who.

Very very unusual name.

He already Informed me this is a Dutch name but sickly is

from Panoca, Alberta, Canada and He says this may be a little off topic.

But mr. Martin mentioned the intermediate stage.

What does he mean purgatory and he has five question marks and exclamation points?

Of course, you don't mean purgatory, but tell our listener what you meant by the intermediate stage in for as

far as eschatology goes.

Yes.

Well, thank you.

Sickly.

Keep spreading the word about iron.

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Well, you can

already

tell

that

it's

a

terrible

book.

Like what

you just

said,

yeah

exactly

and.

Wow, no, did you mention the name?

I must have missed it.

If you did the name.

I did not miss.

The name of the book is called eternal security.

Oh.

Is this a very very famous Baptist?

Very very famous.

No, I know who you're talking about because I was shocked years ago.

When I read some of that book, I know I didn't read it cover to cover.

But in that book if it's the same one, which I'm pretty sure it is there was

a clear teaching that one could Come

to a genuine saving Knowledge of Christ and then immediately

become an atheist or unrepentant evil Satanic person

for the rest of their lives.

It could be decades and that person will still go to heaven.

Well, you know, does it bother you if I mention his name because I think people should be warned.

Yeah.

All right.

It's Charles Stanley that you're talking about exactly and.

I think the

reason

why a warning

is important is

because.

Charles Stanley has a long history of Being a very popular

radio and television Bible teacher.

In fact when I worked for Salem media He was I think for all

the 15 years that I worked there the number one program.

And of course not everything Charles Stanley teaches is wrong.

He does he does on many occasions preach the true gospel.

But a lot of the baggage that surrounds that Counteracts that it's just by the grace and mercy of God

that he would use the preaching of Charles Stanley to actually save Sinners, which I know that he has and in

fact when I was a young Christian his TV show was a staple in my house on the TV, but I was

Not very learned at that time.

And when I grew to fall in love with the doctrines of grace I basically stopped listening or watching Charles Dan.

But.

Yes, we have Joey in Clifton, New Jersey.

Dear pastor Steve.

We met a few times a very long time ago.

I hope you are well and may God bless your work at the seminary.

I would like to ask based on what you know about the Baptist faith and message and How the

Southern Baptist Convention uses and applies it does it create any issue for churches to X

to be explicitly 1689 confessional.

So in other words does the Baptist faith and message in any way.

Would that prohibit somebody from being a 1689 adherent.

Or is it broad enough where it would not exclude those that are more strongly confessional

with a better confession.

No, I

would

not

because

there are

many

churches.

Wow.

It's such an irony and a tragedy that Today and for quite a long time

in the Southern Baptist Convention you are considered a traditionalist if you are an anti

-calvinist and The with the reason why that's ironic is

that as I said earlier the entire Convention was founded by Calvinists,

correct?

And so to call yourself a traditionalist is really disingenuous, it's a misnomer.

It's a Historical and these people really got to start not only learning their

history But admitting to it because if they know it there's no reason why some of

these seminary professors and pastors who are On a

war path against Calvinism.

There's no reason that they Cannot learn and discover that what their history is in regard at the

Calvinism and you cannot help but think that there's a lot of dishonesty going on.

Amen.

Well, we

have to

go to our

final break

right

now.

It's

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Martin Who is the Dean of Students at the IRBS Theological Seminary in

Mansfield, Texas?

We are discussing confessionalism versus minimalism.

If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and Steve we have a

listener in Bangor, Maine.

John who wants to know.

Can you recommend a Baptist edition of the Heidelberg Catechism

called an Orthodox Catechism by Hercules Collins.

Yes, I can.

Well, that was a brief.

Catechism.

Good.

All right, John.

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Well, I

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We have.

Let's see here we have Christopher in Suffolk County, Long

Island, New York who says Why did those that adhered to

the 1689 confession in? the United States or in the Americas

Switch to the Philadelphia confession, even though they're largely similar.

What are the differences?

Was there something about the issue of divorce that's also in the Philadelphia confession.

Not to my knowledge.

Okay, for some reason that's stuck in the back of my head that there was something about divorce that was more clear

in the framers understanding or convictions.

But well, well, thank you very much for your excellent question Christopher and keep listening to the program

and spreading the word about it in Suffolk County, New York and beyond.

Let's see here.

We have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania who wants to know what's the difference between

a church constitution and a confession?

That's a

good

question.

Yeah

a

confession

would

connect.

Christians of a particular congregation to the to the Saints of many

ages of many centuries.

Whereas the Constitution would be more localized and may even have specific things in regarding the use of the

building.

Sure that involved tradition or things like that that are that are

Allowed within the freedom and liberty that we have in the Christian faith to have certain rules about how we

use our building.

But it's not something that is establishing doctrine or something like that, right?

We have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York who says can you please give in

summary the best way to convince?

Our.

Fundamentalist Baptist and other Evangelical friends who are anti -confessional.

That these things are not a violation of Sola Scriptura nor are they

aberrant in regard to the history of Baptist and Evangelical churches.

Outside of the mainline and Pato Baptist Congregations there are many people that seem to be

perpetuating the myth that Baptists never were confessional people.

Yeah, he's a

friend

of

mine

actually

and

he's

been on

this program

many

times.

Amen.

And wouldn't it be wise for The the listener with the

question to remind or inform some of these anti

-confessional brethren of his That there are no doubt some of their

heroes of the faith that were Confessional even whether or not they know this like for instance Charles had a Spurgeon.

I wasn't adherent to the 1689 London Baptist Confession.

In fact from what I understand the Metropolitan Tabernacle has sealed within

the cornerstone a copy of the 1689 London Baptist Confession and Benjamin Keech's catechism and.

There are a whole army of great Baptists of history that are very known and beloved

By even the most ardent of anti -confessionalists that were themselves.

Confessional

amen, in

fact

my old

friend John

Thornberry who

I I

believe

I

mentioned him

earlier.

Now retired from the ministry, but for years.

He was one of those holdouts in the American Baptist Denomination, which is very

liberal today at least for the most part right even apostate.

But he was a faithful confessionally Calvinist Baptist in the American Baptist Association.

And he was having that same battle with them that they were claiming to be non -confessional and they

were using that claim to justify and legitimize all kinds of

horrible teaching and apostate teaching.

Exactly.

Confessions are amen.

Let's see here.

Oh, by the way I wanted to plug a book another book since you mentioned Tom Nettles that goes right along with that listeners

question By his grace and for his glory a historical theological and practical study of the

doctrines of grace in Baptist life.

This is a real eye -opener as far as the heroes of Baptist history the

Majority of whom were strong thoroughgoing confessional Calvinist.

Even those that are considered heroes by our anti Calvinist brothers today they they seem to be uneducated

about the the full orb teachings of many of their heroes because Many of them were

even many of them were even more hostile to the

The unfettered freewill Notions, I know that most non Calvinist Baptists refused

to be called Arminians.

But but if you will Arminian Baptist most of these men were far more hostile to

our Arminian ism then I would even dare to Be in some of my

rhetoric.

Like even Charles Haddon Spurgeon.

And his criticisms of those that believed in universal atonement was so harsh at times that I would

feel myself Very hesitant to repeat exactly those words coming from my own

mouth if you will.

All right, and but you can get that book by the way.

Also, it's CV BBS comm CV BBS comm that's by his grace and for his glory.

And I recommend that book even for our Presbyterian brethren Who have

Arminian Baptist friends and loved ones that they want to convince?

That the doctrines of grace Historically has been held by the greatest among their friends in the Baptist

circles.

So I think it's

even valuable for

Presbyterians to get

a hold of

a

man.

Well, I want you to have three minutes now uninterrupted to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners

about confessionalism versus minimalism.

I.

Grieve it.

Amen, well, I want to make sure that our listeners have all of the contact

information they need for you first of all ARPA the Association

of Reformed Baptist Churches of America.

Once again, their website is a RBCA which stands for Association of Reformed Baptist

Churches of America a rbca .com and also the IRB s theological

seminaries website is IRB s seminary org

IRB s seminary org and don't forget to put the two s's back -to -back in that website.

And do you have any other contact information that you care to share with our listeners?

That's right, you're the Dean of students you're Dean Martin.

By the way speaking of Dean Martin I one time one time years ago when I interviewed Richard

Bennett a former Roman Catholic priest.

Yeah, who is now a Reformed Baptist.

I Think I shocked him to a little bit of an embarrassment.

Because when I introduced him on the air, I played before he came on but he was listening.

Obviously I played at the introduction Dean Martin singing a Riva Dirci Roma.

Oh.

No, he never had and he's a very gentle spirit even though he's very very tough

on the heresies of Rome.

He's got a very meek and gentle and kind spirit about him.

I.

Think if you amen, well,

thank you so

much.

Steve for being on the show today.

I look forward to your frequent return to orange weapons iron radio as a guest you have an open door here as

Do all the members of the faculty at the IR BS Theological Seminary to be guests on iron

sharpens iron radio.

I want to thank everybody who listened today, especially those who took the time to write in questions.

I want you to mark down on your calendars that tomorrow we have my dear friend Anthony Eugenio as

My guest on iron sharpens iron radio.

He is a member of Hope Reformed Baptist Church in Medford Long Island, New York,

which is a Arbca congregation Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America

where my my other dear friend Rich Jensen is the pastor, but Anthony

Eugenio of New York apologetics will be on talking about starting a grassroots apologetics

ministry and Just to let you know his website is New York apologetics calm.

New York apologetics calm.

That's any w -y -o -r -k.

It's not abbreviated New York apologetics Calm and.

Please.

Stay tuned tomorrow because we have some exciting announcements to make not only involving the IR BS Theological Seminary

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And a thousand -seat facility there in Manhattan and we are having god -willing.

Dr. Tony Costa who is on the faculty of Toronto Baptist Seminary

who is going to be discussing the invasion of Marxist socialism

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Amen.

Amen.

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