August 15, 2016 Show with Todd Friel on “Stressed Out: A Practical, Biblical Approach to Anxiety” PLUS Ron Elkin on “Evangelizing Our Jewish Neighbors”

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Who are listening via live -streaming?

This is Chris Arntz and your host of iron sharpens iron wishing you a happy Monday on this

15th day of August 2016 and I am delighted to have back on the program

Todd Friel who is host of wretched TV and wretched radio.

He's a prolific writer and we're going to be discussing his brand new book hot off the press.

If There is ever a book that I needed to read and interview taught about it is

this one because it is a sin that I am personally plagued with and the title of the book

is stressed out.

A practical biblical approach to anxiety and.

And the guest that we have today as I mentioned is the author of that book Todd Friel and it's my honor and

privilege to Welcome you back to iron sharpens iron Todd Friel.

And I.

Have to admit that this issue Where Jesus's command to be anxious for nothing

is is a command that I violate probably more than any of his other commands that I can think of but I

Was even filled with anxiety and stress before you called in worrying that you were going to be calling your own phone number

again for 10 minutes and not hooking up to the program like you did last time, but I am.

But in studio with me co -hosting for the second day in a row is

My friend and webmaster.

What's your name again?

Eric P Nielsen and Eric P Nielsen is an elder at the Community Evangelical

Free Church in Champaign, Urbana, Illinois.

He as as I said my webmaster and He is visiting Parallel with his family so

he Has been helping me out with the studio here and co -hosting for the last couple of days and it's great to have you

back in.

The studio.

Eric, thanks Chris and.

Let me announce right away our email address if anybody listening would like To send in

their own questions for Todd about stress.

Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Now Todd this may sound like a silly question.

But if you could define what you mean by stress and what you're specifically referring to in the book.

Because people might Use the term stress to define different things that are going on

in their mind and heart and soul and life.

That may not be specifically what you're talking about.

So perhaps you could.

That's

that's

very

important

being Depressed.

Figure

out what that

thing any

difference

checked out

to see

if

there

is a

Christian

having said

5

So

be

it,

but

that

isn't

what this book addresses.

Sinful anxiety and that is when you say the word sinful or did you say

simple?

Because I was gonna say would you say then that the root of all anxiety is sin because we

are not trusting in God.

Is that really why it's a sin?

And the whole thing about Whether or not we should

express Real serious concern or worry some might

say that That there would be something sinful or weird about you

if you were like.

For instance, you're sitting home in your living room with your wife and you've given strict

Curfews for your children to be home by 10 p .m.

Or something and it's already midnight and that kind of thing.

And you're starting to get worried and you know.

And perhaps the other spouse is sitting there with his hands behind his head in the recliner.

Just watching TV without a care in the world and the spouse might think what's wrong with you.

You're you don't even care about your child.

If you could perhaps let us know about any proper level of worry or

expression of worry that that a Christian should be.

Exhibiting

I.

Have personally been told that I've been recommended or suggested

because of Prolonged grief.

I am a widower.

My wife passed away in 2011 and I have had people

just when I mention the fact that you know when they say how you doing?

I say well, I do I still deal Struggle with depression over the loss of my

wife, even though it's been five years now and Immediately

some brethren in Christ say Have you thought of any kind of? Prescription for

that and I have resisted that and as you were saying that there's nothing wrong with that

but I have personally resisted it because It has not immobilized me.

It is not It is not have I'm not in a fetal position in the corner of the

room Every day or or it's not something that has made

my life a wreck or I haven't become an introvert or a Hermit, but you know, it's something that in the

quiet of my own Privacy, I have these struggles.

But do you think that?

Brethren in Christ are really too quick with the trigger finger to say hey, I think you should get something

prescribed for that.

Well.

And

it's

so

going

back to my original question, then you would say that many Christians are then too quick

to.

Suggest that you take medication.

Obviously, we do have a listener

and go

ahead.

I'm sorry.

Well, I would

say Chris

what what.

Right

and.

We do have Tyler in Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York.

Who says ultimately is the root of an anxiety a realization

to a lack of control Which can lead a Christian only to trust in the

sovereign triune God of the Bible.

And Tyler

guess what you

are

getting

a

free

copy of.

Todd Freels book stressed out and If you give us your full mailing address, it's going to be mailed out to you

compliments of not only the publishers New Leaf Publishing, but you'll also be getting

that shipped to you by our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service Right here

in Carlisle, Pennsylvania who ship out all of our winners free books.

And we thank both the publishers and CV bbs .com.

For.

Providing these books and shipping them out.

And.

We have Susan in Newville, Pennsylvania who wants to know is it sinful

to be filled with stress.

Regarding the eternal state of your children.

Yeah, and I guess It would be a fairly normal

response though for parents to at times of sleepless nights worrying and.

You know.

Amen.

And in fact

that

goes way beyond parenting because people are.

Very often filled with anxiety about the eternal state of their parents

their siblings their friends their spouses and.

Isn't it true that the doctrines of God's sovereignty and his grace? Are really the

only system of theology that we have on this planet that

truly when consistently and logically held to will give a Christian true

peace.

Because if you believe that it's somehow up to your abilities to

shift the free will of the listener and to convince them of truths that they don't

currently believe and through your own.

Clever.

Articulation of facts or your own persistence or your own loving Compassion manner

through which you evangelize if you're putting all of this on the human both the the

evangelizer and the one being evangelized that is where a lot of

Stress would come especially if the person dies without Christ.

I mean then you'd I don't know how those that reject the doctrines of God's sovereignty can have

a Sleepful night because the only reason I think they do

is God has Mercy upon them and lets them rest in things that are not

consistent with their own theology.

Amen.

And by the way, I've got good news for our listeners, especially those who live

Near Atlanta or are in Atlanta or able to get to Atlanta this January.

Todd Friel is one of the speakers at the upcoming g3 conference and

My friend. Dr. James are white who we mentioned earlier is a speaker and da Carson

and vody Balcom and my friend Conrad and Bayway of Kubota Baptist

Church in Lusaka Zambia Africa who is probably the most powerful preacher alive on the planet earth and

many other speakers are going to be at this conference and Guess what Todd?

I'm gonna be there too.

So I'm gonna be stuck to you like glue.

We're gonna stay up all night smoking cigars and playing poker and we're gonna have a great.

No, actually, I don't smoke cigars.

That was just a joke.

I am a reformed Baptist.

That is an amazing lineup then even the the number of them is just amazing.

Yes, the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther 90 nailing the 95 theses up to the

door of the castle church in Wittenberg and I could go on and on with the Speakers there.

Most of them have been guests on iron sharpens iron and I'm looking forward to getting those that haven't been

on this broadcast and My friend Phil Johnson who's probably been on the program more than anybody

is going to be there.

The executive director of John MacArthur's ministry and a Rosaria Butterfield who we have had on this program.

In fact, she's going to be our guest again next Monday August 22nd.

She is a former as she describes it a former leftist lesbian who came to Christ

and has been totally Transformed by his grace and is now married to a pastor.

And she's gonna be on next Monday.

God willing to discuss her second book that she has written.

But Todd, I know that you could only stay with us for a half hour.

I hope one day that you could stay with us for two hours, but I want.

I.

Hope that you can now really give our listeners what you most want etched in their hearts and minds.

Regarding this subject today before we run out of time.

We have right now, well if you really stick to the three, I'm sorry the half -hour

Restriction we have two up two minutes and 45 seconds.

Thank you very

much

and if you

could.

Todd we have a listener from Scotland who has a question if you could just answer that before you leave.

That would be I'm sure make his day since he's writing all the way from Scotland here.

Would you would you be able to do that?

Yes, we have listeners all over the world because we do live stream.

Oh, yes.

His name is Murray and he's from Kinross Scotland and.

He says.

First of all, he says hi Chris.

Really helpful show tonight.

Having done plenty of bereavement counseling I would agree with everything Todd Friel has said on the matter and his question is

as I understand it gayus Davies and others see stress as being

one of several sources of anxiety.

Although in normal talk we seem to have lost the distinction between the two in the light of what

Todd Friel has already shared.

Would it be fair to say that stress can be sinful but anxiety the state that stress brings us to

Is not sinful in itself.

Where would you place our Lord in Gethsemane exceedingly sorrowful even unto death?

Is that anxiety or something different?

Well, you did kind of address that but if you could.

Like to feel those things and

that you need to take control then

you need to recognize that.

The line that you've crossed over so let's make sure we understand.

We're not automaton.

Well,

thank you so much.

Murray in Kunro, Scotland, and I just want to remind our listeners of Todd Friel's

Website it is wretched radio .com.

That's wretched radio .com and.

The.

Website if you want to learn more about the book we have been discussing stressed out new

leaf publishing group is NLPG .com

NLPG .com and if you want to attend the g3 conference where Todd Friel will be one

of the Speakers and if you could please remember if you come to that Look me up at the exhibitor booth

along with the Alliance of confessing evangelicals.

I'm sharing an exhibit of booth with them and thanks to their graciousness and also to Josh

Bice and all the folks at the g3 conference who are Welcoming me to this

event free of charge.

The g3 conference is g3 conference Dot -com and that's g

the number three Conference dot -com.

Well, thank you so much Todd.

I look forward to having you back again and very soon and I hope well you can spend a little bit more time with us.

Well, I really appreciate that that met made my day.

I'll tell you that that alleviated a lot of anxiety and stress.

Oh.

Yeah, I I know it will be by God's grace and I hope that many of our listeners

Can come so I can meet them face to face for the first time.

Well, god bless you brother.

Say hello to Josh Gravitt and all those other folks over there.

All right, god bless you brother.

And.

We have coming up after our break.

Ron Elkin is going to be joining us and Ron Elkin is the founder and director of AMI

ministries.

He is a Presbyterian Brethren Christ who is also Jewish and he has a heart for the Jewish people and

AMI ministries was founded specifically to Form an outreach from a

theologically reformed perspective to the Jewish community.

So I hope that you could join us as we get some valuable advice from Ron Elkin

on evangelizing the Jewish people and.

Our email address if you'd like to join us with a question for Ron is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Barnes and if you just tuned us in our first guest earlier was Todd Freel of

wretched TV and wretched radio and Now our second guest with on the program for the

next 90 minutes is Ron Elkin.

He is returning to the program.

We had so much to say and so little time to say it last time in regard to

Evangelizing the Jews that we wanted to have Ron back.

In fact, he's not only going to be on for the remaining 90 minutes.

But God willing he is going to be returning on the second half of the

program on this Wednesday the 17th of August and It's my honor

and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron Ron Elkin of AMI ministries.

And

if you could before we even have a another brief description of AMI

ministries if you could.

Greet my co -host Eric Nielsen who is an elder at

the Community Evangelical Free Church in Urbana, Illinois, and he is

Also my webmaster here at iron sharpens iron in town.

Visiting the area with his family.

Well, they're on vacation.

But if you could Eric could greet Ron.

And Ron greet Eric.

Hi, I'm Ron.

Good to talk with you.

Oh, that's great.

That is great.

Praise God.

Yes there I've know quite a number of wonderful folks in the evangelical free denomination and

And a number of them are strongly Theologically in harmony with me and and

they're sharing the doctrines of sovereign grace as does Eric Nielsen and the congregation where he is an

elder the Community Evangelical Free Church there in Urbana, but if you could

Ron if you could let our listeners know something about me.

Obviously, you've been on the program a couple of times already.

But there are always new listeners tuning in to iron sharpens iron for the first time so I want them

to Become introduced to your your ministry.

Sure. Thank you.

People are what

their

wants and

desires are

awaken.

But

also a very dramatic way around the

world

and

cause simply

because they're Jewish.

Now who are predominantly the perpetrators of this or perhaps it's a variety of different people.

You

know

as much

as

anyone

coming

into is

French had a

very more more.

That's

right.

But not with

a think

of a typical

street

preacher.

They're thinking of somebody

who's

going to be

mercy as we do that.

That's our approach to that.

Well, obviously in this day and age of political correctness.

They're going to be people who are accusing you of hate speech just by telling them that they need Christ for salvation.

Well, let me.

Let me announce our email address if anybody would like to join us with a question for Ron Elkin about

evangelizing our Jewish neighbors.

It's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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And so unfortunately, you're gonna hear occasionally some things that you may not expect it to hear.

But that's just in an effort to make the program

Free from problems or as many as possible in the future.

So by the way, Eric you're from Illinois in the area from Illinois that

you that you are from where your Congregation community evangelical free

churches in Urbana.

Is there a heavy Jewish population there?

There is not a heavy Jewish population there, but of course there.

Is.

At least one local synagogue and in the past we've Had interaction with them.

A former pastor Took a conversational Hebrew with one of the young

men there.

Really?

Wow, and of course when I when I think of Illinois and the conversation about the Jewish people

comes up I immediately think of Skokie which had

Been in the headlines back.

I think it was in the 1980s perhaps Ron you could correct me but when the American Nazi Party was trying to

get the right to have a rally or a parade in Skokie, Illinois because of the fact that there were the highest

number of I Believe Holocaust survivors living there or perhaps even the highest population of Jews in the

United States.

But perhaps you could tell us more about that area if you know anything about it, Ron.

Well, I know the

yeah.

I just know that there was something that was not quite as grandiose in the outcome of the Skokie.

Event.

Well,

let's get

some

advice

from

you as a

Jewish

believer.

As a Jewish Christian who is not only a Christian but who is theologically reformed and of course

as you know Perhaps more than anybody there are many Christians especially

those from a dispensationalist background or messianic background who think that that's an

oxymoron to be a.

A.

Calvinist Jew.

But if you could tell us about developing friendships with

with Jewish people you know, we just had Todd Freelon talking about his book stressed

out and I admit that there is a certain level of stress

that I may feel or anxiety when I'm speaking with a Jewish person about the gospel

because I am concerned that they are going to.

Feel that my the motivation of my wanting them to come to Christ has some has something to do with anti

-semitism.

Has something to do with bigotry.

Hatred.

So there is all that lingering in the back of my mind, especially in a day and age when?

Political correctness is at its height and.

The.

The speech police are wandering all around us Waiting to pounce when we say

something that offends their sensibilities but.

As far as a Jewish person in the neighborhood, perhaps this Jewish person is a

colleague at work or perhaps they are married into the family of a

Gentile home and You know, you want to get to know this person so you have

basically a.

A.

Level of familiarity with them where when you present the gospel to them They can be

convinced that you are really saying These things about the need of Christ because you

love that person and you care about them and also you you love Christ above all else.

Well a

couple

practical

and

over

the

centuries

are beautifully

Exalting God and a

killer

Jewish.

They

may

say

well we

get

to get

information.

So

knock

is

a

celebration

not a

celebration,

but

right.

Night of the broken glass is what it actually means.

And

we

do have a listener again from Mastic Beach, Long

Island.

We have Tyler who says since the scripture teaches that God is a

respecter of no person.

Do we as Christians often forget that the true Jew is one inwardly of the spirit and not

just the flesh Romans 2 28 through 29 being a reference.

United

are

you

there

Ron?

We

lost

your

sound.

Okay.

Can you hear me now?

Yes, we can.

He goes on the list all the evil deeds that the Jewish people have done.

He should in some way

with

the

Jewish

and I'm

gonna

give you

a question of my own and let you.

Think about it while we go to a break and then you could answer it when we return.

But one of the things that obviously concerns me if I start requesting a Jewish neighbor or

friend or family member if I can accompany them to the synagogue is the

Wrong impression.

I may be giving that I am some kind of a modern Ecumenist who believes all

religions lead to God that they do not need To embrace

Christ.

They do not lead need to leave the religion that they are currently in and that kind of thing.

And if you could respond to that when we return because obviously that kind of thinking is rampant today

in the modern ecumenical movement and we even have some evangelicals who are teaching that Jews do

not need to embrace Christ and that they by virtue of being the

chosen people are Basically guaranteed heaven or if

perhaps if they keep the law to their best ability or whatever the case may be which we obviously as Christians

know the reason why Christ died for us is that Keeping the law is impossible.

But we will be returning after this break and we'll have Ron respond to that.

And if you'd like to join us on the air as well with your own questions, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Barnes and if you just tuned us in our guests currently is Ron Elkin.

And he will be our guest for the remaining hour as well.

He is the founder and director of AMI ministry and that is a ministry bringing the

gospel to the Jewish people.

Their website is AMI ministry org and that's spelt a M M as

in Michael I ministry dot o -r -g and we hope that you look to that

as a great resource for Information regarding evangelizing the Jewish

people with the gospel of Jesus Christ.

And Ron also happens to be theologically reformed.

He is a Presbyterian and a Calvinist and a believer in the doctrines of grace and

In the Westminster Standards as a summary of biblical faith.

So that does make AMI ministry somewhat unique in our

theological Spectrum today, and if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnzen

at gmail .com chris ar n ze n a gmail .com and Ron before the break.

I asked you about Giving the wrong impression by saying to a Jewish friend or loved one

or neighbor.

Hey, can I come to synagogue with you?

How do we go about doing that without giving a False impression that we think that's just neat that you go

to this place and God just is thrilled with this kind of worship that does not involve

Christ and.

That

kind of a thing

that you

would

be interested if

you

can

be patient

because they're

looking

for

Jesus.

It's a

man tricky.

Just I mean we have to be relaxed to some degree.

We don't want to compromise their faith.

I did mention about and if you don't mind,

I could just take a

couple minutes.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

If

the

details

here he

died on

the

same

day

that

Jesus was born slaughtered

going to be that

Edition called

pulmonary edema

as

your

body Was hanging

breathing

they would lift the

soldiers would

break and the

blood of the

way

with the

blood.

When we believe in Jesus God for

all these things

to happen

on

the same day the same out to be

a and do you?

Bring up.

I'm assuming you bring up the fact that and this may be a lot more sensitive a

discussion but the fact that the Jews do not do this anymore because the

Temple was destroyed in 80 70 and now the Jews do not have a

sacrifice.

Do you use that?

Truth to lead them into the necessity of.

Eating.

How

can

you believe

in

that

nonsense about

Jesus

and he's and

he didn't

know.

He actually did not know.

I'm of Jesus.

He didn't mean and

this is where we have to be

Jack of knowledge that exists in the Jewish community.

Many Do not read the scriptures.

No, there's religious Jewish have

a significant influence at the same time the larger number of Jewish people in

America

keep.

Tiffany had

a temple

and to

cleanse

it and

that's what

it's.

Because God

completed a

moment

of Jesus.

Amen

God

Israel.

There's a group

now.

You as a Presbyterian and a theologically reformed Christian not being dispensational.

What is your view on that?

Because I know that there are varying understandings of eschatology amongst the reforms, but typically

they would not involve a restoration of a temple as a positive thing because of

the.

The.

Sacrificial system in that understanding being Restored and many

Christians would even view that as a mockery of what happened on Calvary.

So, how do you view that?

Do you care

to identify

your eschatological

position

with a label like

a millennial post -millennial

pre -historic.

Pre -millennial or what have you or would.

I prefer not to but

So few Jewish

people believing

because

it's

it's

right.

I was actually very surprised recently to find out that Michael Brown who is an Arminian

Messianic Jew, he is not dispensationalist.

He's historic pre -mill, but he's not dispensationalist.

I did not know that prior to.

Maybe four or five months ago.

If I had to

eschatologically or yeah, I know that that's what

Donald Gray Barnhouse the predecessor of of James Montgomery Boyce,

I believe was in that category.

That's right.

Reform

theology.

Apply them to

the in

fact, I

want

you to go

through.

Obstacles that we need to overcome when we return from our final break that we're gonna take right

now.

Sure, and if you'd like to join us on the air our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail

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Chris Arnzen at gmail .com if you have a question for our guest Ron Elkin of

AMI ministry and for those of you who just tuned in.

Ron is a Theologically Reformed Christian.

In fact, he's a Presbyterian part of the Presbyterian Church in America denomination

also known as the PCA and He has this ministry, which is an outreach to the

Jewish people called AMI AMMI and their website is AMI ministry

org AMM as in Michael I ministry org so you can

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This is Chris Arnson If you just tuned us in our guest today for the remaining half

hour.

On today's program is Ron Elkin founder and director of Ami ministry.

He is our second guest for the today.

We started off with Todd Friel of wretched radio and wretched TV who was talking about his book stressed

out now.

We have Ron on For the remainder of the show and he is discussing

evangelizing our Jewish neighbors.

And if you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

In studio with me is My friend and my webmaster Eric

Nielsen.

Without Eric I would likely be speaking to myself in a hairbrush right now

with an audience of one and And probably taken away to

a Sanctuary for the Mentally disturbed or something.

Um, but anyway, we thank Eric from the bottom of our hearts for his work behind the

scenes.

For iron sharpens iron and he is an elder at the community evangelical free church in Champaign,

Urbana, Illinois.

And let me give another plug to their website, it's community EFC org.

Community EFC which stands for evangelical free church org and

me ministry.

For those of you who would like to investigate more about Ron Elkin our guest that's Ami ministry org.

Ami ministry org a mm as in Michael.

I ministry org before the break Ron I asked you

to give us some of the obstacles for Jewish people to Be open to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The

option

of

God is

given that

can be

shared

directly

from the Jewish

scripture.

Make

it

more of

a conversation.

You know, what

could be

that's

interesting

because that defies

what David's.

That's right.

Another

in

spite of

all the

level of loyalty to the Jewishness now

in this moderate

number

of Jewish people is

even if they're not feel loyalty to

sample the Israel supreme

person can

come to

Israel and

Jesus by the arm the Jewish community.

Because I

have they you

could have a.

Messianic Jew or a Christian who is Jewish who has infinitely more in common than an

Orthodox Jew than an atheist or an agnostic or a Jewish person that's

practicing Zen Buddhist meditation or some nonsense and They

they will be considered Jews and yet the Christian will not.

Yeah,

I

know.

It's

really

not

reality

before

group.

Well, they could

be a

Jewish Italian.

Ron is the is the sense when somebody Becomes a Christian

having been an ethnic Jew that they are.

They're then joining the persecutors essentially.

Yeah, I

have

a

friend

who.

Ironically before becoming a Christian before accepting

Yeshua Messiah as his own Messiah.

He was a nominal Jewish individual his family is nominally

Jewish they do not Go to synagogue regularly.

They only in a cultural way celebrate the Holy Days and

yet Before he became a Christian he was

embraced by the family as if there was nothing wrong with him when he was a male

stripper and When he became a Christian they sat Shiva for him

and wrote him off as dead and

Dead.

Well, this was a very strange situation.

In fact his mother when he attended a funeral with his Gentile Christian

wife his mother physically attacked the wife and caused a great

scene in the place, but it is a It is a disturbing thing.

One thing that I wanted to backtrack a little bit to the messianic

Jews that you mentioned who are living as Orthodox Jews, what is the

line of demarcation between that and someone becoming?

Full -blown a full -blown Judaizer.

Where they're doing what Paul actually Condemned in the book of Galatia when he

was writing to the Church of Galatia.

The.

Judaizers who were insisting on the Gentiles being circumcised.

Understanding

remembrance

news

for

Jesus has

a

bush

lifestyle.

So that

was sort

of theology and

somewhat of a some wing of the messianic

movement and and actually there's no

reason they

can't.

Teen century or.

That a Jewish person who doesn't publicly confess faith in

Jesus out

of love further to deep end.

Oh, I have even heard from not only Non

-christian Jewish individuals, but even some who are

Jewish believers in Christ who are from more of a similar theological background and that then you

and I are embraced who are upset by

Some of the messianic movement because they think that for instance

Rabbi Patrick O 'Reilly or Rabbi Patricia O 'Reilly.

Is.

Something that infuriates a serious Orthodox Jew because the in

-depth study and the long process of

Study and education and so on that a North the Orthodox Ras by for instance

goes through or a person Orthodox Jewish person, but before becoming a rabbi and they

look at these people who just You know put on these these

costumes and wear these Labels of rabbi and so on it's almost like

a charade.

It's something that's insulting to them.

You have any comment on that?

Right.

And I'm glad you stopped doing that.

I Gave it up for a lint and.

I was forced by legal reasons to stop calling myself.

Dr. Chris Ornson.

But anyway, that's another story.

Some of the other

Church Philadelphia and this Jewish doctor came.

I have mentioned the book Jewish

doctor

came up to

me and said

that he was believe in

Jesus.

But he was what I did

and he

enabled

him

to get to at

least make a profession

of faith, by

the way.

You've mentioned doctors Jewish doctor is coming to Christ.

Have you ever?

Heard of the booklet or read it that Chapel library publishes

called Charlie Calson the drummer boy by ML Roswell

II who was a Respected military surgeon in the Civil War.

Who was led to Christ by the testimony of a young boy who was?

Dying after receiving mortal wounds on the battlefield.

I don't know if you've ever read that story, but it's quite remarkable.

Yeah, the website for Chapel library is Chapel library org at Chapel library org and you

can look up Charlie Calson that's co u l SON Charlie

Calson the drummer boy by ML Ross Valley.

ROSSVALLY who.

Lived from 1828 to 1892 and his whole family

Abandoned him his wife and children abandoned him when he came to Christ, but I don't want to blow

the ending of the booklet.

But there is a wonderful end to that story.

And I actually brought that story up when I was asked to speak at a Christmas banquet.

Because I tied in the fact that everyone has heard the song the little drummer boy.

But let's hear about a true drummer boy.

Not one of fairy tale and legend, but a real drummer boy who had a profound impact

For the cause of Christ upon the heart of a Jewish physician.

And I went on to tell the whole story That is found in this booklet.

We're we are going to have our guest Ron Elkin back on the program.

God willing this Wednesday During the second hour of our program Tom

Askell is the guest for the first hour who is a He's well known amongst reformed Baptist.

He is the current director of the founders ministries, which is a Southern Baptist

Ministry that is trying to bring Southern Baptists to return to the doctrines

of sovereign grace or Calvinism, which all of the founders of the Southern Baptist

denomination Embraced which is why they call this the founders ministry.

All of them embraced this theology in the 19th century and Yet today

those who are theologically reformed or a tiny minority in that giant denomination.

But Tom Askell will be our guest for the first hour and Ron Elkin will all be our guest again.

From 5 to 6 p .m. Eastern Time the second hour, but if you could now Ron Wrap up

with what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners before you leave the program today.

Inoculated

people

makes

a lot of

praise

God

and.

Just so our listeners have that website again.

It's on me ministry org amm as in Michael I ministry

dot o RG and I hope that you visit that website often and

I hope that it further equips you to Go to your Jewish family

friends loved ones neighbors and bring them the gospel of Jesus Christ and

And I know that in a day of political correctness People are

wrongly thinking that To present a Jewish person with this kind of message

is a message of hate bigotry and prejudice prejudiced and all that kind of a thing, but

There could be no greater act of love than to Bring somebody the gospel of

Jesus Christ, even when it may mean being alienated from them and cut off from them.

And of course even we have brothers and sisters and in Islamic lands that are Risking and losing their

lives to do this.

So obviously bringing the gospel to your Jewish neighbor is not likely to have that kind of an outcome so

you should have the boldness as a Christian to do out of love bring them the gospel and

We pray that you do and I pray that I even are am more motivated to be more aggressive in

that.

Well, thank you Ron.

Look forward to having you back Wednesday.

I look forward to having My friend Eric Nielsen back in studio whenever he is able

and the website for his church where he is an elder.

It's community evangelical free church in Urbana, Illinois, that's community EFC

org.

Community EFC org.

I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.