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The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm .org.

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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live.

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I hope you're all going to have a good time. Oh, I forgot to do the rumble thing right. I messed up on that.

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Okay, let me see if I can fix that. And so, there you go. May the Lord bless you for listening. I hope you're all going to have a good time and by God's grace, we'll just have to see where I was going to go today.

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All right. Now, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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I want to hear from you. Give me a call. And you can also email me. That's easy to do.

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Just email me at, let's see, info at karm .org.

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Info at karm .org. And all you got to do is put in the, let's see, put in the subject line, radio question or radio comment.

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And if you do that, it should work out. Mui Guddo. Mui Guddo. That's advanced theology.

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All right. So, there you go. All right. Now, I want to hear from you. Like I said, give me a call. So, last night, last night

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I was on doing some, I'm going to be right back, guys, in StreamYard, but that's something

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I'll be right back. And so, I was working on a discussion I had with a bunch of, let's just say, people who are traditionally minded and who are very difficult to work with.

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And me, I always enjoy this kind of stuff. I enjoy the discussions that I can have. I enjoy the repartee.

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So, what I've noticed is that a lot of times, people, what they want to do is simply get the last word about everything and find any little bitty thing that they can in order to bolster their opinion or try and make me look bad.

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And last night, I was having a discussion with a guy and he was talking about the nature of free will. And I said, well, let's talk about this and that.

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And he kept just hammering on one thing. I said, look, dude, come on. Look, there's five times I've answered your question. Why don't you just go on to your point that you have, the question you have.

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I want to know. And he wouldn't do it. And I said, come on. And it was interesting.

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I get irritated. And I said, no, come on, come on. Just get to your point.

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I want to know what your point is. And he finally started to and then said, but you're free, you're free, you're free.

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I just went on to something else. It does happen like that. So it's not a big deal.

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It's just how it was, you know, it's just how it was. And so, oops, no, it's not that.

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Look at that. I got this thing going here. So if, well, anyway, I can do that.

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There we go. Oh, man, I see what I did wrong on that. There we go.

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Okay. So I'm getting rid of that. And then hopefully that'll work. And hopefully it'll be in there.

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And there we go. So there we go. All right. I want to hear from you. Give me a call. We got one caller coming in.

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And hopefully things will work out pretty quickly here. Let's see. If you want to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276.

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Give me a call. You can also email me, like I said, at info at CARM .org. Info at CARM .org.

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And just, okay, there we go. So there we go.

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All right. And in the subject line, put in a radio comment, radio question. All right. Let's go out and we'll get to them in a second.

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Oh, I got to tell you that I will be in a debate in Ogden, Utah, at the end of the month.

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I'm going to give you the information where it's going to be. Now, to find the information, it's real easy to do.

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All you have to do is go to CARM .org, C -A -R -M dot O -R -G, and do forward slash debates.

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And you'll find there, it says upcoming debates, and then there's a link, debate on 5 -31 -2024.

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You click on that link, and there it is. So it'll be on Friday, May 31st, it'll be from 4 to 6 p .m.

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in Ogden, Utah, at Weber State University in Ogden, Utah, at the

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Wildcat Theater. So that's what's going to happen, it'll be there at Weber State, and I've got to fix a typo there, so I've got that taken care of.

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And I put a map in there, three maps, so you can see it if you bring up your phone, but also with the address and everything like that.

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And if you have questions, you want more information, please just email, or excuse me, you can call

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Russ East at 801 -645 -7433.

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I'll be debating a Mormon, David Robinson, and we'll be debating, does the Bible teach salvation by works, by faith or by works?

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And of course, the true and correct answer is by faith, not by works. All false religions add works to salvation, and I'll say it, and I'll defend my position from Scripture, and I know the position that they're going to use,

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I know how it works, I'm very familiar with their arguments. So there you go, all right, okay, all right, so let me know if it's working, does

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Rumble work now? I don't think it's working now, I'll have to fix it during the break, we'll see what happens.

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Let's get to Christopher, from North Carolina, Christopher, welcome, you're on the air.

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Hey Matt, awesome to ask another question from you. I was going to ask yesterday, but I had to get off, because that lady you were talking to, like, took up the whole show.

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But yeah, anyway, so I'll try to make this as concise as possible. Kind of want to preface, explain.

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So since I became a believer, I always was taught, preached at, all this about, you know, where Jesus took upon Himself the wrath of God for our sins.

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But recently I was actually sitting with a friend, and he's like, yeah,

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Scripture doesn't say that. I'm like, wait, what do you mean? And you know, he said he got this from N .T.

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Wright, I was like, okay. And I looked it up, and I can't find a

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Scripture that explicitly says Jesus took the wrath of God upon Himself.

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Now, my question to you is, I don't even know how to word this question.

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I guess, in viewing Scripture, do you believe that's what

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Scripture teaches? And if so, what Scriptures back up that doctrine?

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Well, the first thing we have to do is define our terms. What does it mean to bear the wrath of God? Now, if we say wrath is damnation, then no,

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Jesus did not do that because He wasn't damned. If we say wrath is judgment upon sin, well, that's too abstract, because sin isn't judged.

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The sinner is judged. Sin is something a sinner does. So the wrath of God would be upon individuals.

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And if the wrath of God is such that they go to hell, then that's the judgment, that's the wrath.

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The Bible talks about that. We're pointed not to wrath, but salvation. And some people take that verse out of context, say it's pre -tribulation and all that stuff.

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It's not. It's about damnation and stuff. Anyway, so if we say, did some form of punishment come upon Christ for our sins, that's different.

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Because the Bible says in Isaiah 53, that our griefs He Himself bore and our sorrows

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He carried. That's Isaiah 53, verse 4. And then it says in verse 10, but the

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Lord was pleased to crush Him, putting Him to grief if He would render

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Himself as a guilt offering. So what we see here is that there is a sense in which a certain kind of punishment did occur, and He bore some of that to some degree in His body.

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There was something, because the wages of sin is death, and He died. So there's debate on this.

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And we really can't say to what extent it was.

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I don't like to say, He bore the wrath of God. Well, what do you mean by wrath? And that's the issue.

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And so I like to say, let's find out, okay? You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

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That makes sense, because I thought about even the Passover lamb and how it's not really highlighting punishment of the animal to put over the door for the angel of death to come through.

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It was more so highlighting the sacrificial blood that when the angel of death comes over, anybody who has the blood over their doorstep, the angel will pass over.

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And the reason I bring that up is because it's a foreshadowing of the blood of Christ, and we're covered by the blood of Christ.

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But I just thought it was interesting. I wanted your take on it, because I'm researching it right now, trying to go deeper into more theology.

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And I didn't know if you had any resources, or even if you've written about it.

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That would be awesome. Yeah, I've written 6 ,000 articles, so I don't know if I have or haven't.

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So here's the thing. A lot of the heretical, charismatic people—I believe in the charismatic gifts, but not like these wackos—but they'll often say that Jesus bore the wrath of God, He went to hell, paid for the sins there in hell, was punished in hell, and that's just false doctrine.

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That's false doctrine. So the issue is, what occurred on the cross? And I'm going to be very careful about this, because I don't know exactly how it went on the cross.

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And this is critical information here. I can tell you that Jesus bore our sin in His body on the cross, 1

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Peter 2 .24. I can tell you that He bore our griefs, and He was struck, and He was beaten for our iniquities, as Isaiah 53 says.

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And that's where we would have to look and say, well, to what extent did any punishment come to Him based on us?

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Because surely our griefs He Himself bore, and our sorrows He carried, Isaiah 53 .4.

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He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He did not open His mouth. Well, that's just by the unbelievers.

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And then it goes on, but the Lord was pleased to crush Him, putting Him to grief if He would render

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Himself as a guilt offering. So that's Isaiah 53 .10.

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So that's where we would say, okay, what happened here? And then discuss it and be careful at the same time.

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You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. And one last thing to add to that, there's a scripture where it says

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He condemned sin in the flesh. Because I have, you know, coming from a charismatic church,

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I don't claim charism, charismania, I do believe in the gifts of spirit and stuff, whatever. But anyway, that is one thing that they do teach that He, you know, took upon the wrath of God, but He condemned sin in the flesh.

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I think, do you think it's possible that in Isaiah, it's talking about how, not exalting the fact that God is punishing

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Jesus, but kind of giving an explanation of how it would go about the shedding of Jesus' blood?

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Not saying like, hey, this is it. If that makes sense. I don't know if my question made sense or not.

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Well, yeah, it's difficult for you to ask because it's difficult to understand because the scriptures aren't super clear.

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And so I get it. And you're doing fine. But I would just say that when it says in Isaiah 53 .10

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that, and you were quoting He condemned sin in the flesh, that's Romans 8 .3.

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But when it talks about this in Isaiah 53 .10, that's where it is. He's an offering.

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And it looks like the offering stands in the place of judgment, in that there's a judgment that comes upon the animal that was killed, which is the way it is in His death, which is a type of judgment that's upon.

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I would say there's a type of judgment upon Christ who became sin, 2

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Corinthians 5 .21, and Borah sins, 1 Peter 2 .24, and then death and wrath, not obviously wrath, but death occurred to Him as He was beaten and stricken.

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So was that from God? No, it was from man. So this is just not easy.

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Okay? It's just not easy. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Thanks. All right, buddy. All right, man.

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God bless. God bless. Hey, folks. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned.

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It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. I think I got the Rumble thing going.

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I rushed through it during the break, so refresh and do all your stuff. All right. Let's get on the air with John from Georgia.

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John, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. How you doing today?

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Oh, doing okay. Hanging in there, man. Hanging in there. A little bit more hanging than in there, but I'm hanging in there. Good to hear it.

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Good to hear it. Hey, I'll keep it brief as I can. I am an atheist. You're an atheist, you said?

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I'm sorry. You broke up a little. You said you're an atheist? Oh, yes, sir. I'm an atheist. Okay. All right.

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My question is kind of two -fold for you. Speaking of morality, if you use the whole, you know, like, as an atheist,

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I go to the Bible and I say, God is evil and unjust, and there's a lot of Christians that say, well, what do you mean by evil?

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As an atheist, you have no outside standard to judge him. And if you do hold to that, my standard is

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I'm judging God by his own standard. So, I guess the question is, how do you...

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We're breaking up again. What? You're in and then you're completely out. Okay. So, what was your question?

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Okay. Sorry, hold on one second. I'm talking to... All right.

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Okay. Can you hear me? Yes. That's better. Okay. Okay. Okay. Basically, my question is, when

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God commands these things in the Old Testament, like he tells Israelites to kill children, babies, and slavery, and all kinds of stuff that atheists would say is wrong, and y 'all might come back and say, well, y 'all have no outside standard to judge

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God. I'm saying I'm judging him by his own standard. In the God worldview,

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Christian worldview, is it wrong to kill babies? And if the answer is yes, then how do you square that God commanded that evil?

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It's not wrong for God to do it because the Bible says in Christian theology, if you want to do what's called an internal critique, within Christian theology,

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Adam sinned. He represented everybody. And then because of his representation, all people inherited a sin nature.

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They are therefore guilty. This is Romans 5 .18, Romans 5 .19, 1 Corinthians 15 .22.

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So all children are by nature under the wrath of God. God's mercy is that he sends people to heaven.

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So in the Christian economy, to execute babies is simply to execute judgment upon them. There's nothing wrong with it for what

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God is doing. He's the lawgiver. And so therefore, they're not, well, let's just say they have a sin nature.

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And then when they have the imputation of Adam's sin, it's called original sin. So that's why we'd say, no, it's not a problem.

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Furthermore, when he orders the killing of entire nations, it's not like five minutes, they got a five -minute warning.

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Okay, guys, I'm just going to go kill them. He's realized we'll kill everybody just because. It's never like that. God sends people into the nation like the

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Canaanites and warns them, you stop this, you stop it, you stop what you're doing. What they were doing was all kinds of fornication, all kinds of adultery, sexual immorality, all kinds of stuff.

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And they were taking newborn babies and they were burning them alive at the altar of Moloch.

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And the babies would scream and they would raise their music to drown at the babies screaming. This went on for many, many, many, many years.

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And God's told them, stop. He sent people in, stop, stop, they wouldn't do it. So God said to Israel, go wipe them all out.

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In the wiping of them all out, it's a judgment upon them. And as far as the children go, if we were to make the case that babies go to heaven when they die, then by delivering them into his hand, he's saving them and they go to eternal salvation.

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If they had grown up to become evil, full evil, they would probably go to hell. So you see from the Christian perspective, we have answers for this kind of stuff, okay?

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Yeah, I appreciate the response. And if I can just give one more response to your response.

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Do you think it's any kind of contradictory for God to command, this commandment about kill, but then turn around and like you just said, he commanded his people to kill babies?

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Or would you say, well, God can override himself? No, he's not overriding anything. The Bible actually says don't, the issue is murder.

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Murder is the unlawful taking of life. So if someone breaks into your home and is going to hurt someone you love or a wife, you know, whatever, and you, in the defense of your family, unfortunately, kill somebody, you're innocent.

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It's okay. We don't want that to happen, of course, but you're not wrong for that.

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If, however, you were to just shoot somebody in the head because you didn't like their haircut, well, now that's a problem, and then you'll be judged.

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So all murder is killing, but not all killing is murder. So when

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God says don't murder, he's saying there are certain rules you have for self -defense.

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But you can't just go in and arbitrarily kill somebody. And that's what he's saying to people. So when he executes people, they've all sinned against him, and therefore, he has the right to execute them.

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It can never be murder for God because under his own law, he judges the sinner, and he judges them and executes them, and it's just righteousness.

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But for us, it doesn't apply because the sins aren't against us, so we have to go through the legal system that God has ordained through governments and things like that, okay?

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Okay, so you're saying when God's not murdering anybody because we're all guilty before him, even the infants?

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Even infants. This is out of Romans 5 .19. Through the transgression of the one, the many were made sinners.

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Now, whether you like the doctrine or not isn't the issue now. It's called federal headship.

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That the male represents the descendants, Adam represented mankind. When he fell, we fell.

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When he sinned, his sin became imputed to us in our sin nature, and so therefore, we're all guilty, and he can execute whom he desires, okay?

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Okay, hey, I appreciate the response. I mean, and hey, I'd love to show it. This is just an example of how two opposite people can have a great conversation.

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Hey, Matt, thank you. You have a good day, man. Well, can you hold on a sec so I can try and set you up and get you to see something?

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If you want. No, that's okay. Oh, I guess we lost him. All right, because I had a...

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I thought it was going to go in. That's okay. Hey, let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania. Welcome. You are on the air.

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Go ahead. Hey, Matt. So I have a question today because this is kind of difficult for me to try to figure out myself.

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So I know that Jehovah's Witnesses in Seventh -day

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Adventists both believe that Michael and Jesus are the archangel

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Michael, but the difference between Jehovah's Witnesses in Seventh -day

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Adventists on this issue is that the Jehovah's Witnesses take this way too far. And in the

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Seventh -day Adventists, they just keep it in the area that Michael is just, you know, the name for the angel of the Lord, which is the incarnate

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Christ. But yesterday I was watching a debate on Standing for Truth, and somebody wrote a super chat in saying that Michael and Jesus are the same person.

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And I understand what he's getting us from. And if you could answer these scriptures for me, that would be great.

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So in Jude 1 .9, it says Michael was debating with Satan over the body of Moses, and it says,

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Michael said, the Lord rebuked you. And I know many scholars think it's referring to the

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Assumption of Moses, but some people actually think it's referring to Zechariah chapter 3, verses 1 and 2.

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And in verse 1, it says it's the angel of the Lord. But in verse 2, it identifies the angel of the

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Lord as the Lord himself, and the Lord says, the Lord rebukes you. Okay, hold on, hold on.

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You're giving me a lot of stuff here from different verses quickly, plus we have a break. So what

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I want you to do after the break is just give me a question, and we'll see if we can tackle it, okay? We'll look at the verses we've got too.

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Okay, buddy? Okay. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. We have two open lines.

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So if you want to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back. We're having some fun in the chat there at Rumble.

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So I'm going to do the newsletter tonight for Karm. And I was saying, hey, how many are signed up for it?

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And what would you like to see in it? And I'm thinking about adding some stuff into the newsletter, like theological terms and summations of articles and things like that.

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And I put in there, I said, oh, I could add pictures of my wife washing dishes and making me sandwiches while I relax with my feet up.

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And so anyway, having fun. Laura wrote back, yeah, with a knife in her hand.

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So anyway, we're just having fun. All right, brick sandwiches, says Joanne. All right, if you want to participate in our stupid chat, and a lot of times a good chat, too, just go to rumble .com

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forward slash Matt Slick live. And you can join us there. Also, I just want to remind you that I'll be at a debate on Friday, the last

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Monday, last Monday, last Friday of this month. I'll be down in Ogden, Utah, which is about an hour north of, 40 minutes north or so of Salt Lake City.

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And I'll be at Weber State University at the Wildcat Theater from 4 to 6 p .m. is when the debate's scheduled.

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I wish it was a little bit later so people could get there for, you know, a lot of people are just getting off work. But that's just what it is.

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And if you have any questions or comments, you want a phone number and all the information, all you have to do is go to karm .org

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forward slash debates, D -E -B -A -T -E -S, debates. And then you'll see upcoming debates.

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And just click that link. Information's right there. And everything you need will be right there. All right, let's get back on with Elijah from Pennsylvania.

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Welcome. Okay, buddy, go for it. Yeah, so my question between Jude 1 -9 and Zechariah 3 -1 -2, first question is do you believe that Jude is referring to Zechariah 3 here?

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And my second question is if you believe that, then okay. Because it says there in Zechariah 3, the

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Lord showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and the Satan standing at his right hand accused him. The Lord said to Satan, the

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Lord rebuked you, Satan. Okay, so that's that. But in Jude 1 -9, or Jude 9, but Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, different topics.

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Okay? Oh, okay, okay. Okay, I see. Right, right.

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Because Moses is mentioned in this chapter. Right, right. Okay. So I can talk about the

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Michael and Jesus relationship in SDA, also with the

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JWs and what the differences are, and I can tell you why the JW one can't work.

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The SDA one can, but they have things wrong. Okay, so it's up to you.

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What do you want? I'm more interested in tackling the

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SDA one, because I already know that the Jehovah's Witness one is very easy to dismantle.

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Yeah, it is. The SDAs, what they're going to say, for those who don't know, is that Michael the archangel is the pre -incarnate

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Christ. They're not saying that Michael is a created angel being.

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They're saying it's just the form of Christ in the Old Testament, and that's how he's appearing.

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So that's what their view is. So technically, it doesn't make them heretics on that doctrine, because they're still holding to the pre -incarnate nature of Christ.

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Generally, they go to Daniel 12 .1. Now, at that time, Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise.

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There will be a time of distress such as never occurred since it was a nation until that time, and your people and everyone who's found written in the book will be rescued.

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This is generally the verse that they go to. And I'm surprised, because it doesn't say anything about Jesus being

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Michael, the archangel. So, in that sense, the angel just being messenger. So I ask them, show me from Scripture where that is the case, and they can never show it.

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It's just something they conclude and just say, but it's not there.

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It's just not there. Okay? Yeah. Yeah, I understand that.

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And I know there's different interpretations when it comes to Michael and Daniel 12 .1.

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One of the interpretations that I'm leaning towards is this. I know you have a different interpretation because you're an all -millennialist, but my current interpretation is that Daniel 12 .1

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is a prophecy about Revelation 12, when

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Michael will rise up and fight Satan in the heavenly realm, and then he'll cast him down, and then once he casts him down, after that, that's the rise of the antichrist.

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That's my interpretation. But what do you think about that interpretation? Have you ever heard of that interpretation before?

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So you're saying that Daniel 12 .2 is about the rise of the antichrist? Is that what you're saying? No, no.

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I'm saying that Daniel 12 .1 is referring to Revelation 12 .7

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-9, and I believe that immediately after that, in Chapter 13 of Revelation, that's when the antichrist arises, soon after that, because I believe that in 2

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Thessalonians, when it says that the person is taken out of the way,

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I can't remember what it's called. 2 Thessalonians 2, the one who restrains will be removed. Yeah, 2

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Thessalonians 2, yes. Yeah, so my interpretation of that that I share with others that I know that share this is that I believe that the person that's taken out of the way in that verse is not the

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Holy Spirit, but it's Michael, the archangel, and I believe that once he gets taken out of the way, he goes to fight

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Satan and his angels and the heavenly leaders, and they kick him back down, and once Michael is out of the way, he can no longer restrain the antichrist, so after he's taken out of the way, that's why the antichrist arises, because Michael is no longer restraining him.

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Okay, I see what you're saying now. I wouldn't go that far, personally, but I see why you're saying it, because there's an issue of Michael wrestling with the devil, so to speak, and so there's that there.

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So I'm just working through this. So I wouldn't say what your view is of this article. I wouldn't say that. I'd have to think about it in light of that.

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I've always understood it to be the Holy Spirit that's removed, not removed, but steps aside. You know what restrains him now so that in his time he will be revealed as the antichrist.

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That's 2 Thessalonians 2. Now, just to review, in Jude 9, it can't be pre -incarnate

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Christ because it says, The Lord rebuke you, and Jesus, the Lord, the pre -incarnate

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Christ, doesn't need to have a rebuke addressed by someone other than himself because he's God.

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So I don't believe that that verse, I know you don't agree. I mean, you agree with this, but I'm not saying you do believe that Michael is the angel there.

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But yeah, I have to think about that. Is it within the realm of exegesis?

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Maybe. I think it's a possibility. I wouldn't go too far because I think what you might be doing is,

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I'm just thinking out loud, is giving a little bit too much credit to an angel to battle

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Satan. But on the other hand, if they're of the same class, let's say archangel, then it might be an equality issue.

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That might be an interesting thing to explore. But anyway, it's interesting. I haven't heard of that before, so that's different.

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I have to think about it. Yeah, it's an interpretation that I learned through a person named

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Ryan Pedersen. I'm not sure you ever heard of him before, but he's written a few books on angels.

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Angelology. In the Bible. And Donnie from Standing for Truth, he also doesn't believe that the

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Restrainer is the Holy Spirit, but he doesn't believe that the Restrainer is Michael. He believes that the

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Restrainer is the Antichrist. And I just found that strange.

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I saw him trying to explain his position, but I just don't agree that the

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Restrainer is the Antichrist. It just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, I agree with you. It wouldn't make sense. We'll talk to Donnie about that.

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Yeah, it's interesting. It's an interesting view. The first thing

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I'm thinking is, does it cause any heresy that is a serious problem? And I don't see that.

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I think it's just, well, it could be Michael the archangel. I think it's within exegetical possibility. I have to look at some more stuff to see if it's consistent.

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But I don't see it. If that's what you believe, okay, okay. If I believe it's the

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Holy Spirit and you believe it's Michael, okay, neither one is heretical against Scripture, the clear teaching.

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So I think it's interesting to think about that. Okay? Yeah, and plus,

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I don't see a problem with some Christians believing it's the Holy Spirit and some believing it's

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Michael because the text doesn't actually tell us who the Christian actually is, though.

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Yeah, Michael's the warrior angel and Gabriel's the messenger angel, just so you know. So it would be consistent if it was

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Michael. All right, buddy, I've got to go. There's a break, all right? Appreciate it. All right, have a good one.

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Okay, God bless you. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages, talking to Jan from North Carolina about the

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All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Hey, let's get to Jan from North Carolina. Jan, welcome.

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You're on the air. Hey, how are you? Can you hear me? Yes, I can.

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Okay, excellent, excellent. Yeah, so the public school system is telling my children, things about dinosaurs that I cannot square with the

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Bible. And I would like to know where the Bible falls on the dinosaurs in 65 million years ago.

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They're wiped out. And just to have some correct information to perhaps give them. Well, let me open up my science file, and I'll get to the stuff in the

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Bible here in a second. Science is a philosophy, first of all.

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It's based on philosophical assumptions. And when you do that, you are inconsistent.

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And I'll just leave that for there. I agree with that totally, yeah. Yeah, it's a philosophy.

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It is based on certain philosophical assumptions. Now, the Bible does talk about dinosaurs. There are, and I've got to get the documentation for this, but there are cave drawings of dinosaurs in different parts of the world, which just demonstrates right there that dinosaurs and humans live together.

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Now, as far as dating methods go, that's really important because, here we go, because they say these dinosaurs have to be millions and millions and millions and millions of years old.

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All right, they say that because they need evolution to be true. And for this to be the case, then the

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Earth has to be old. And, therefore, that would justify long periods of time for evolution to work.

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All right. Well, if that's the case, and they're 50, 60, 70, 80 million years old, then why are they finding soft tissue in bone marrow of dinosaurs' bones?

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Right. And they are. Right. That's a problem. Yeah, I know. Yes. Also, there are different rock layer dating methods, rock layer positioning, like Pleistocene rock layer, which, according to just stratigraphic analysis, should be 1 .6

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million years of age. But with the Rubidium -Strontium method, it's 773 million years old.

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And I've got a whole bunch of these kinds of things where the differences are 500 million years old, 20 million years old, a billion years of difference, that's what

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I meant, between different dating methods. Okay, well, that's a problem. There's also polystrate fossils.

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So you have trees that are fossilized through 600 million years of rock strata, vertically. You can't have that.

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So there's problems with this. And plus, there has to do with evolutionary stuff.

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And here's a big, big, big, big, big problem in evolution.

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It's called the Cambrian Explosion. So it's roughly 530 to 500 million years ago.

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The Cambrian Explosion is anywhere from 5 million to, I've seen it read as much as 35 million years time span.

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So let's just pick an average of 15 million years. So imagine rock strata, that you're out there looking at a cliff face.

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And where you are is 700 million years ago at your eye level.

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And you look up a little bit. And then it's 500 million years, 600 million years. And a little bit above that is 500 years.

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And let's just say this. The 500 -year mark is what the Cambrian Explosion, that's the Cambrian Period, begins at the 500 -year mark.

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And what you see suddenly right there at the mark, not during the 15 million years, but right at the beginning, you see 40 new body types of dinosaurs.

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40 suddenly appear. Now wait a minute. It's not that they emerged over 15 million years.

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It's just that they're suddenly there. How do you explain that? The Cambrian Explosion is a huge problem. Because it takes millions of years, they say, for speciation and phylo -development.

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Phylo is a body type. And all of a sudden, there it is. So these are problems. But your kids won't be hearing about these problems because they don't fit the evolutionary model.

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They don't fit. And they were literally scoffed at at school for some of the things that you say. Yeah, I agree. And I've already researched out.

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And they were literally scoffed at, which really makes me look bad when they come home.

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So it's not a good thing. Yeah, and if you were to email me,

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I can just email you back documentation. And you can give it to them, and they can take it to school. And that's at CARM .org?

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Yeah, info at CARM .org. I have 50 pages of notes. 50 pages of notes on this stuff.

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Well, I guess the question they literally hit me yesterday with was, were they on the ark?

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They said that kind of laughingly at me. And I'm like, well, I think they were. If they were on the earth, they were put on the ark, most likely.

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Yeah, no problem. Maybe not a full -grown Tyrannosaurus, but maybe a baby one.

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That's exactly correct. So if you go to my website and you look up, can the ark hold all the animals?

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The average size of an animal is something like the size of a sheep. And the fish don't need to be on the ark.

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And insects can be easily stored inside of that ark in a relatively small area.

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And plus, I did the calculations and how many species, and I went through and did all this stuff. And let's see if I even have it here.

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There's something like, I think, 40 % or something. It's been a long time since I wrote this. There's 40 % of the space that's left over.

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And you have all the species represented. Well, you know, I read that recently that if you put 50 ,000 animals on the ark, it would only take up 36 % of the floor space.

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Right. There you go. You know, I had read that. If the ark was 450 feet long and 75 feet wide and 45 feet tall, then that would be plenty of room.

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But, you know, again, if the teachers don't reinforce that and they talk a whole different genre.

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I know, but I feel like homeschooling now, okay, so it made me upset. Right. In fact,

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I found my file, okay? There's 3 ,700 mammal species, 8 ,600 birds, 6 ,300 reptiles, 2 ,500 amphibians, 20 ,600 fish, and other marine life, 192 ,000.

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That's insects are 850 ,000. That's a million species. But the only ones you need on the ark are 72 ,000 species.

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Right. And the number of animals would be, I've got all this math there.

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So you'd have 31 boxcars, and I've got all this stuff. You can go through and read it, and it works. Yeah, I'm going to do that.

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I'm going to try to get some more information to use as ammunition. So, yes, thank you. Okay, so you'll agree with me then.

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We agree that that is not correct. Evolution, to me, is just so false.

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It makes no sense. Oh, yeah, it's false. Here's something else that I've got to put in my study here, my notes. I don't have it in there. The woodpecker, of all things, the woodpecker.

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Oh, man, you bring it up to science teachers. Can you explain this in evolution? Oh, there's problems.

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Yeah. And the woodpecker's tongue goes down its jaw, by the vertebra in the neck, back up behind the head.

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There's a groove in the skull. It goes along the groove in the skull, up over the top of the head, down between the eyes, down in the nostril, and out the mouth.

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Now, plus there's a cushioning area inside the brain for the brain to handle it.

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There's also cushioning inside the eye sockets. And if you were to understand that the arc of the neck, the head, has to go in an arc, like a part of a circle.

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But that doesn't work. What happens is that the head goes level from back to forward, which means the vertebrae have to expand and contract super, super fast.

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The musculature has to be in place and all this stuff. Now, here's the question. How does, just on the basic level, how does a tongue evolve getting stuck in the back of the skull and come out through the nose, the nostril, and work?

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Mr. Evolutionist, can you explain that? And I've read articles where they try to explain it. And, boy, do they stretch the logic. Oh, yeah, they do try to explain it based on the foraging activity of the bird and based on his diet.

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He had to do that for his diet to be maintained. Yeah, I've heard, yeah, I hear their narratives.

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Yeah, it's pretty bad. But then you've got these, and how does the groove go in there? And how does a tongue get stuck in the back of the skull and it works and he can survive?

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It's just ridiculous. Well, how do they want me to believe that we came from monkeys? That's the next thing, you know.

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No, no, no, no, no. It's not the theory of evolution that we came from monkeys. It's that monkeys and humans came from the same ancient ancestor.

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Well, okay. Okay, that's true, the hominids, that's right, yes. Ooh, hominids and hominids, very good.

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Neanderthals. So Neanderthals, actually, I read an article years ago where they did an experiment.

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They took computers and they had already analyzed what people's faces would look like from children on up so they could use them in forensics to see if they could find missing persons and things like that.

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Well, how would this 10 -year -old look, you know, given what they understand about, you know, genetics and growth? All right, somebody said, hey, what would happen if, you know, you went out 500 years, 600 years, and they looked like Neanderthals?

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Right. So I've got to find that documentation again, too. It was a long time ago. All right, now, go to the book of Job and look in Job 41.

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41 and also in 40. So read 40 and 41, and you'll see two incredible animals.

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One is water -based. Yes, but read. One is water -based.

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One is land -based. And it's not just like a hippopotamus. Read through. No, it says his tail is like a cedar tree, it says.

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Yes, read through. Go to the article I got on this. Yes, you can go to the article, and you can read the points and stuff like that, and you can see, okay?

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Yes, I definitely will, yes. Well, thank you so much. I feel vindicated.

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Okay. I feel vindicated by professionals, so that makes me feel a lot better, and I appreciate your time. I didn't want to come with a silly question or something that seems sacrilegious or was not in line with the

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Bible, but, you know, you have to battle these points because this is how they're grooming our children.

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Yes, they're grooming them in a lot of ways. Absolutely. Yes, they are, and this is one way they're grooming them away from religion.

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So, you know, I don't want to have my, you know, I'm trying to stay on track here, but, yes, I appreciate your time.

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I really do. Also, get the book. I'm going straight to your website as soon as I hang up. Okay, get the book,

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Icons of Evolution. Icons of Evolution. Go to Amazon and get it,

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Icons of Evolution. I -C -O -N, Icons of Evolution. Okay, yes. Okay.

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And what does it do? It exposes the problems of evolution, okay?

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Okay, yes. All right, well, thank you for your time. I really appreciate it, and I'll listen to you tomorrow, and I say thank you so much,

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Mr. Slick. Okay. All right, thanks. You have a good evening. Appreciate it. Bye -bye. Okay, bye.

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All right, let's really fast get on with Matt from California Proverbs. You can talk about, what do you got, buddy?

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Yeah, Proverbs, I guess, actually started at 3 -7. Okay. Do not be wise in your own eyes, fear the

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Lord, and shun evil. And then continuing, this will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones. Yep.

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So, the inverse of that, if we don't shun evil, if we are disobedient, then should we expect the opposite?

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Normally speaking, yes. Okay. Because I've had conversations with other

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Christians, and they say, like, well, no, God doesn't bring disease and disorder.

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Yes, he does. To his faithful. Yes, he does. Okay. What you can do, remember, yes, he does.

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Exodus 4 -11, the Lord said to him, Moses, who has made man's mouth, or who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind?

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Is it not I, the Lord? Okay? Okay. And 2

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Kings 15 -5, the Lord struck the king so that he was a leper to the day of his death.

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All right? So, yes, God does do this kind of a thing. Shock. Shocking.

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You know, especially if you believe in the blonde -haired, blue -eyed vocation to serve for Jesus, dressed on a woman's nightgown. You know?

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Yeah. Okay? Yeah, they like that version. Yes. A lot of people do, because they'll do what...

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He'll do what they want, with their sensibilities. That's why they want him, because he serves them.

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He's the convener. Yeah, I was told at a church I was going to for a while that God disciplines us, but he does not punish us.

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Discipline is punishment. Discipline is punishment. That's what I tried to say. I was like, well...

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Hey, we've got to go. There's the music, man. There's the music. We've got to go. Okay, buddy. God bless. God bless. Call back. Okay? Hey, folks.

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God bless. Back on the air tomorrow, by God's grace. Talk to you then. Another program powered by the