Pastor's Panel Podcast

All right, I'm with the pastors panel. I'm so excited to be with these guys We got fresh faces and new brothers that we get to meet and fellowship with I'm so excited about that Dan if you watch me any amount of time

You'll recognize Dan. I'm thankful that every time that he can be with me Jeffrey has been with us several times now thankful for him and and what he's contributed to our conversation

And we have a new gentleman with us Claude and I'm so glad that he's with us and has

Reached reached out and we we've become and hopefully become better friends in the future

As we work together for the gospel of Jesus Christ but called just briefly

Let everybody know who you are and about your podcast My name is

Claude Ramsey First and foremost, I am a husband

My wife and I've been married for 28 years. We have a son. He's 27 my pastor

Refromata Baptist Church here in Knoxville, Tennessee is Robert mentioned we have a podcast the here

I stand theology podcast and we've actually we actually just began the podcast in January, so I'm still a babe in podcasting

Well, I'm thankful for you and what you're doing let me pray for us as we get started Father, we're so thankful that you allow us to get together with our brothers

No matter where we are in the world we're thankful for your kingdom and the the work that you're doing spiritually and materially that we can we can get together and and sharpen one another through your word and Yielding to the

Holy Spirit as he teaches us. We're so thankful for this opportunity We pray that you would be glorified and honored in in what is said and what is done in our time together you would use this time to Bless others to encourage others to to save souls and to build your kingdom because we we want to We want to share

Jesus with our communities and we ask for your help in our conversation in Jesus name

Before you start can I say something real quick? I'd like to say something about brother called here.

He is one of probably one of my top five favorite preachers to listen to in my spare time and just An encourager of the body of Christ.

I can't tell you how many times Like this is something that I'm really not good at I wished

I was better at it's one of the things that I pray about Pray for myself to be is what my brother here is

How many times that I've just be sitting around not doing anything get a message from him?

encouraging me the messages that I preach he's just been such a blessing in my life and Real manly man was pictures of us arm wrestling

And I just uh, I Just want to encourage everyone to really check out his podcast check out his preaching.

There's a fantastic Fantastic preacher if you go and listen to him, you will not regret it

Don't believe him Well But praise the

Lord glory goes to God Amen that makes me even more glad that the Lord has allowed us to cross paths.

It's so encouraging to be with you guys Let's start off with a message

I got the other night from from somebody who watches the videos and they were they were concerned as they were reading in Luke chapter 12 and Let me briefly look at it

Luke chapter 12 starting in verse 22 And he said his disciples for this reason I say to you do not be anxious for your life as to what you shall eat nor for your body as to what you shall put on for life is more than food and the body than clothing consider the

Ravens for They neither sow nor reap they have no storeroom nor barn yet God feeds them how much more valuable you are than the birds and Which of you being anxious can add a single cubic to his lifespan?

If then you cannot do even a very little thing. Why are you anxious about other matters consider the lilies how they grow?

They neither tool nor spin, but I tell you even Solomon in all his glory do not clothe himself like one of these

But if God so raised the grass in the fields Which is a lot today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace

How much more what he clothed you all men of little faith? And do not seek what you shall eat and what you shall drink and do not keep worrying for all these things

The nations of the world eagerly see but you but your father knows what you need Knows that you need these things but seek first his kingdom and these things will be added to you

Do not be afraid little flock for your father has chosen gladly To give you the kingdom so your possessions and give to the share give to charity make yourselves

Purses which do not wear out and unfailing treasure in heaven Where no thief comes near no moth destroys for where your treasury is there your heart will be also

They were concerned about Preparing for emergencies or even if you slightly

I guess lean towards conspiracy theories you may think that that we may have a

EMP flyover one day and the the power grid might go out and you You may need some extra water or whatever.

I don't know where everybody lands on on their preparedness chart But you know, this is legitimate and thoughtful question

How do I save up or is a Christian supposed to save up for for the future or be prepared for the future

Looking out for their family in case of emergencies In light of what

Jesus is saying here in Luke 12, and I'll turn it over to anybody that has Any insight on that?

Well, I will I will say something there. I think I think the

Lord expects us to Use wisdom in our lives as a matter of fact

Jesus talked about preparedness in the Gospels when when Jesus said no man

When he sets out to build a tower doesn't first what count the cost, right?

that that's talking about making preparation and so making preparation is just a it's it's a wise act of the believer

But we don't put our confidence in the things that we have prepared we put our confidence in Christ But that's that's kind of the the outworking of wisdom in the life of the

Christian that that we make Our decisions that we make our quote -unquote

Preparations that we that we do that we do the things we do all for the glory of God right,

I think you know the idea of Christians in general Over the years.

I'm I don't know how old you all are. I'm getting up in years. So but Christians have been caricatured right?

They've been they've been made to be something when you see a Christian on TV It's always this crazy crazy man or crazy woman.

That's that's praying over in the corner You know so on and so forth, but in reality

Christians ought to be the wisest people in the world because we have true wisdom in Jesus Christ, he's made unto us wisdom and righteousness and justification sanctification and redemption

So wisdom wisdom teaches us biblical wisdom teaches us that we ought to be prepared that we ought to make preparations for things

But we don't we don't want to lean putting too much stock in our own work or our own doings

So you're saying how how that text relates to this text is

We rely on God and in not Not our preparedness be prepared, but not rely on our

What we've done to prepare if I can tell a short story real quick So so as I know

I read buying Bibles for a living And I am Well, you could say that if someone doesn't purchase the

Bibles or someone doesn't put in an order for their Bibles Then I'm not going to have no money.

Okay. I mean like it's it's you know, that's just how it is So so you could say that I am dependent upon people purchasing

Bibles that we make to sell or People put in orders to have their

Bible rebound if Bibles become illegal and no one's allowed to have

Bibles, then I don't have a job so the way that we have our

System down I guess you you could say is that in order to get on our list you have to pay a

Non -refundable deposit and these non -refundable deposits Is what we live on?

So when someone gives a deposit and then at the end of the whenever it's time for them to get their Bible done They they they give us the rest of the payment

So so this money that comes in through the deposits and through the remaining balance is what we live on But we pay our bills with the money

That we get from selling brand -new Bibles so like this coming Tuesday I will be posting six to eight

Bibles for sale These Bibles don't sell well, I don't pay my rent my car payments my phone bills like all my bills will be and there's times where You know, and I'm not, you know speaking bad about her.

She's very faithful woman There's times where my wife can be anxious when it comes to this you know, like if they've been if the

Bibles have been up for a day or or and no one has purchased them or or Let's say no one has put in a deposit in a week

You know she can start getting a little antsy and not wanting to touch any of the money that we have in the bank and I'm constantly telling her listen.

Look although it looks like these people if they stop buying then

Will be poor will be broke. I said but listen God is sovereign. He is our

Provider and I was explaining to my daughter a couple weeks ago. She said why do we pray and thank

God? When we eat she says daddy you have a job You're buying the food and I have to explain to her that I'm only able to have this job because God has given me the ability to Perform this work and and also

God is I don't use the word causing these people to purchase Bibles from me But but but however, that's taken place

It's all done by the hand of God and to God be the glory for for everything and I believe what this text is is

At nature speaking about being anxious worrying about things that But that are not in our hand

I mean, I'm of course like I roofed houses for 25 years if it rained I did not have

Work that day, but listen if it ceased from rain and people would never know they needed a roof

And so the although the rain was a curse it kept me from working The rain was a blessing because people noticed they had a leak

And and then they would call me and so you have to look at things from every angle

You know, we are to work and prepare and save for our future

Listen, we're not to be anxious over our futures Especially if you're a

Christian Where is your where does your hope come from? Right.

I I am him. I mean, I am his Yeah, I belong to him maybe it's going to take care of me

There's no way. I would let my daughter starve or go without I am a child of the

Most High and my faith is in him And I thank him for every crumb that crosses my table

When I was having a conversation with the person asking the question And I was reading the text

I Saw the person that Jesus was talking about that were that was trying to take the reins in their own hands about their future

And Jesus is saying But you God has gladly chosen or chosen to go

For you for your father has chosen gladdened to give you the kingdom and I was like, um

Me taking the reins or having the kingdom of God one definitely outweighs the other

Man and I mean just the weight of visually looking at those scales

Hit me so hard that Having his kingdom is you know, so much greater than than any efforts that I could put into it

And then that word gladly there It just shows how loving he is and Causes us and leads us to worship

Amen, it's so so good of him and so kind of him Dan any thoughts on that?

Yeah. Yeah, he's Jesus here. He's talking to folks who Who are they're kind of in a journey figuring out how how will they be sanctified by the gospel that they'd heard and believed?

Some some may not even believe to that point. We don't really know but But what he's trying to teach

I believe is a mindset thing it's like don't get the cart before the horse like you're absolutely supposed to provide for your family, but What is the reason for you providing for your family because you're the man?

You're the guy You're the one who's gonna go out there and do or as he's saying Instead seek his kingdom now, one of the things about his kingdom is obeying his commands

But just to go out and do your best to provide knowing that every single thing that you have

Come straight from the hand of God All the things that cause you to be successful Or withhold successful time or whatever his his plan is, but he wants he's trying to teach people

Instead of being focused upon your work in a And I'm going to do this in order to make a profit and do this or that I mean

James like goes like specifically and says, you know, don't say that you have no idea what tomorrow's gonna bring instead of thinking about your work in a a

Dollars and cents money thing which you need to at some level. He wants us to To focus instead upon how can

I glorify God by going out and Being productive productive in society blessing those around me providing for my family making sure that we have what we need

Thinking ahead and preparing for things that may come up Things are in the world. No, we may be without power.

We've come to rely on power Especially in the next few months up here in upstate, New York There's mornings where it's gonna be in well below zero

If we lose power, or if we don't have heating oil I better have wood chopped and ready and the wood stove fired up or my family can freeze

Why do I chop the wood Does it simply because I don't want to get cold or is it because God has given me a great family to take care of It's yeah, it's a it's funky thing to think about like that But if we were to change our mindset in everything that we do

Thinking about those things it would change the whole way. We look at look at the world Look at no, we're living in God's world where we get so wrapped up No, we missed the forest because of the tree in front of our face

He's trying to teach hey gentlemen, I got a All right, brother, I gotta get off here

It was good for the few minutes. I was able to so Before I go why you was talking

I was thinking of that verse where Paul says if a man doesn't provide for his own family It's worse than unbeliever

So we have to provide We definitely have to provide for our family But I love y 'all man, and I'll definitely be back with y 'all cameras.

Okay. I'll definitely be back with y 'all next Thursday Thank you, yeah,

I hope your wife feels better. All right. Thanks. Yeah. All right Yeah, appreciate brother

Jeff or what does he go does he go by Jeff or Jeffrey I Call him

Jeff, but I Don't know actually But well before we move any further

I Definitely have to ask you a question Okay, how in the world do you live where you live and have that big crimson a behind you

Let me just start off by saying roll tide. Thank you, Jesus It's a

I call it a paternal fandom I have to tell folks this story all the time from the time

Joseph my son was like three or four, you know He started liking sports He just latched on literally at a young that young of an age latched on to Alabama for some reason

So I just kind of jumped in with him, you know to be there and it's just it's just stuck

Oh, you wouldn't believe I work at Home Depot And typically throughout football season

I've got something on my apron what about Alabama and My you know, I wear my hats and shirts and stuff.

So I catch it all the time, but it's a normal thing But I guess at Home Depot, you're you're kind of forced to wear orange there, though Yeah, sadly

But like I said, I like in my name I use the Alabama a Name Well, I appreciate appreciate your insight on that and I hope that helps the listener and anybody else that but I mean

I think that's legit and I think that's that comes from a thoughtful Christian Who's really taking taking in consideration what

Jesus has to say and and What he wants them to do with their family and Their future and so I appreciate the question.

I appreciate your insights on that. So switching directions let's flip over to a bucket and I pose this question at the end of our video last time and I think

Dan has some really good insights on this if We've tackled a lot of on eschatology talked a lot about eschatology

Dan and I've been going through Daniel in our videos here together. We've been looking at Matthew chapter 24 and I was looking at a back and I saw in Habakkuk chapter 2 verse 5 where He begins the the verse talking about a haughty man

Who's who's influenced by much wine or betrayed by wine and at the end of the verse he talks about this this gentleman

Gathering to himself all nations and It jumped out of the page to me because that that phrase phrasing comes comes up a lot in our discussions of eschatology

And I was like well in eschatology. We're talking about how Jesus is drawing all nations to himself.

He's drawing all men to himself. All the nations are streaming Up to Jerusalem or to Zion And the law is going out to all the nations the

The coastlands are waiting for his law. So this there's this Global really outstretching language that we see in eschatology, but here it's kind of in the context of a sinner

And and Dan was giving us some good thoughts on this and Claude feel free to jump in but Dan Explained to us what you were talking about earlier

In Habakkuk here. All right Habakkuk 2 is a

It's all part of a vision a prophecy and God tells him to write some stuff down He says we're gonna write this down make it plain so that the one

So he may run who reads it or the one who reads it can act on it So they can they can take it to heart and do something with it

He says for the vision still awaits its point of time. So this is something that's going to happen in the future

To Habakkuk who says a hastens to the end. It will not lie in other words. It's going to happen He's not just saying empty words

If it seems slow wait for it, so it may seem like it's delaying no Peter had the same thing

He they said no people are gonna mock you say, you know, where's the promise of his coming? Yeah, you know, but with the with the

Lord the day is like a thousand years thousand years is like a day time is not What we think it is.

It is what God has Decreed for it to be you know, God is is in control of all those things

It says it will surely come it will not delay He talks about someone being puffed up and he says that the righteous will live by by his faith

How is the righteous person going to live not by? Sin not by his own way of doing things.

He's gonna live by faith in God It was called you out of Egypt out of the house of bondage.

What are you gonna do with it? I'm gonna trust in the name of the Lord my God the one who was Done all sorts of great cool things and has given me the

Psalms to sing about it and all that good stuff Here's my God, I'm gonna trust in him

Moreover or in contrast in verse 5 it says wine is a traitor

Wine is something that It's it's not a bad thing is used to cheer the heart of man it's used in celebration and worship

Good good times like the wedding at Canaan wine was there to celebrate not a bad thing, but The Bible is huge on this

Alcohol can jump up and bite you in the rear end Amen, it's you it can it can grab a hold of you and and not let you go and it would it can be

It can become your master quick And he warns because I think because the addictive nature of alcohol

It can it can mimic The kind of addictive nature of sin

No, there is sin that You know, well, that was fun Maybe it wasn't

You know too bad in my mind Then you go more more

There was a poet We'll call my poet said First a little wouldn't do it the

I forget Anyway, y 'all don't listen to that kind of music.

That's terrible So just just real quick to jump in on that So it in Proverbs we are taught there's a way that seems right to man but the in there over the ways of death and just to tag on what you were talking about about Alcohol how it can ruin you that's exactly what it does.

It changes your perception of reality. It gives you a false False idea and a false view of how things are.

Yeah That's why it's a traitor because you think you're looking right and you're not

I think you're going in the right direction It's not what it seems and then it says

It moves on in the next few phrases says his greed is as wide as Shaol and I think that's referring back to wine

Because you have it said wine is the subject of the first verse or the first line in verse

Five and then the second line is a it's a subordinate clause that kind of adds to it

It describes it. So when it says his greed, I think it's talking about wine Or that addictive said really talking about sin because it moves on and says the people are gonna mock him for his basically ridiculousness

Like death he and he never has enough he's always trying to get more people to fall prey to him He gathers for himself all nations and collects as his own all peoples

Now if you think about what Satan does in in the garden, he tries to pull away from God God's creation

Try to say no, you don't need to listen to God. You don't need to pay attention That won't kill you.

Just go ahead and eat it and Plunge the whole world into sin It's trying to take it so It says a verse six

Shall not all these take up their taunt against him With scoffing and riddles for him and say so he's setting them up here in verse six

That this traitor this one who's going to try to sink his teeth into you and ruin you

Woe to him who heaps up what is not his own for how long?

The debtors are gonna rise against him the spoil He's gonna try to plunder many nations

Remnant of the people are gonna plunder him Why look at the the last half of verse 8 says for the blood of man and the violence to the earth

To the cities and all who dwell in there's violence there verse 9

Woe to him who gets evil gain for his house. No, he's going out there doing no shady stuff back back alley deals

Using the government to pat his own pockets Insider trading, you know, whatever you want to look at some sort of nefarious thing.

He's getting rich for In dishonest ways devise shame for their house cut off their people

Then it says woe to him who builds a town With blood and founds a city on iniquity.

I think that's kind of encapsulating the whole The whole point of what evil sin wine theft greed

Idolatry will all that's trying to do. I Think what all that's trying to do is it is trying to build a city or a foundation that is not

God's It is not the city of God It's not his kingdom and his righteous like we were supposed to be seeking that we saw in Luke 12

It's trying to seek its own Like the the the

Tower of Babel trying to build up into heaven to make a name for itself And that's not what's supposed to happen.

That's not what God has decreed And the righteous through all of this Will live by faith

To where what's the end? whereas back in verse 5 Wine sin death evil is trying to gather all nations to itself all the people's to itself

What's the end result when we see in verse 14? It's just the opposite for the earth will be filled with knowledge of the glory of the

Lord as the waters cover the seas I had a friend who took her grandmother to the ocean for the very first time.

She was 80 years old 75. I don't she's an older lady got there looked upset man.

That's a lot of water I Mean just think about how wet the

Atlantic Ocean is That's how much? The knowledge of the glory of the

Lord is going to cover the earth So while while the nations are trying to be gathered by sin death and the devil

God has decreed that righteousness will reign that his glory is gospel will do the actual taking will do the actual redemption regeneration the

Rebuilding of his creation because his creation is that precious to him

That he will do it and he will see it through and he did it all through the blood of his son dying on the cross Laying in the grave getting up three days later.

He kicked death in the teeth and said no I'm not gonna have you around here anymore. Hey, man I'm gonna go

I'm gonna start preaching here. I'll let other folks. Hey, that'll be okay. That'll be okay So Let me get this.

Let me get this right if I'm hearing you correctly in verse 5 where it says he gathers to himself all nations

Are you saying that in this particular instance? We're looking at an unsuccessful mirror mimic

I Don't know unsuccessful, but Well ultimately unsuccessful, right?

Counterfeit He's I mean in four or four if you think about it this written in the

Old Testament The nations were deceived Nations were all following after other guys even even

Israel was not doing well Syncretism no going after other gods

He was gathering sin was gathering all nations to himself and then what happened afterwards

After Christ came and died and rose again His command is all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth so go and disciple the nations

Baptizing them the name of the Father Son of the Holy Spirit teaching them to obey all the things that I've commanded Then he'll be with us

So God is actually gathering whereas he thought he did where Satan thought he'd won a victory it was

Ultimately unsuccessful as a counterfeit. It was a hollow so We're me

Apple Any Thoughts Yeah, I mean as as far as I Agree with what

Dan said there, and I think it's too important It's also in very important for us to understand that you know, the context of what's being said here and the imagery that's being used

Habakkuk was basically In plain language He was he was on his heels

He was wondering why in the world has not God come through yet and so That's after he cuz that the whole first chapter is his complaint, right his complaint to the

Lord how long the Lord is it gonna be when you're gonna come through basically and then the

Lord speaks to him and he gives him those pictures and and Dan talked about you know, the

How alcohol will sneak up on you and get you right? Is that that's an accurate

Dan an accurate way that you I don't want to change your phraseology or anything but That's the that's the truth in the the images that are used.

There are It's it's given it's given the

It's setting the stage for the the idea of how That the nation's themselves like Dan said in particularly

God's people Because that was that's a get moving into eschatology that's the whole that's the whole thing that the

Lord's coming down on in in Matthew and you know on through revelation is judgment being pronounced upon God's own people because they hoard themselves out to other nations right and so that the images here the the

They transgressed by wine. They're proud men. They They don't stay home.

So they're always out carousing They're always looking for something else right when they ought to be looking to the Lord Proverbs says in Proverbs 23 31

Don't do not look at wine when it is red when it sparkles in the cup and it goes down smoothly

Right because there's that constant movement that constant Reflection that's taking place and it almost it'll low you into a sense of false security and that's exactly

What the devil does that's exactly what the enemy does with men women boys and girls in the world today

He's lulled them into false sense of security and that's exactly what was going on here But like Dan said that verse 13 kind of brings it full circle

But the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord it's not all it's not lost

Christ is still on his throne. He is still in control and he's deal he's still king of kings and Lord of Lords and he ever will be so and I think we need to Push the push these promises that are so often forgotten in in our conversations

With each other and in our churches that the knowledge of the Lord is going to fill the earth He's gonna do it and it's gonna happen and we can we can have joy and we can be excited about that And and how practical is as I listen to you guys talk about the back

Yeah, how practical is a backup for us today where? The things presently in front of us look so enticing

But it's and we want to fall for it but but God says

I've got a plan. I've got promises. It may not be on your timetable but it's gonna work out and I'm gonna fill the earth with my knowledge and We can trust it and and then how how wonderful is the the very end?

Of Habakkuk Habakkuk chapter 3 and I just wanted to read that last little part because we can we can look at the world that we live

In today and see all the the negative things that are that are going on.

It's it's one thing right after the other that That make national headlines the critical race theory racism, you know us coming after one another the the

Medical issues that we're having today without using certain terminologies And some people are for it against it some people push this how people push that and you know all this negativity in the world and yet a backache was facing negativity and in verse 17 of chapter 3 those the fig trees should not blossom and There be no fruit on the vines

Though the yield of the olive should fail and the fields produce no food

Though the flock should be cut off from the fold and there be no cattle in the stalls

And I just think so many of us are we said ourselves. What was me? Look look how bad it is

That's not what a back ex answer was his answer was yet. I will exalt in the

Lord I will rejoice in God of my salvation The Lord God is my strength and he has made my feet like hands feet

And makes me walk on my house on my high places I Love that phrase there.

He makes me walk on my high places Tell me if I'm wrong, but is he not communicating to us that with the

Lord he's on cloud nine. I Mean he's got a joy in his heart where he's walking on the clouds because he trusts in the promises of the

Lord Amen Yeah Practical yeah practical truth from that and I know it's it's not from the text but again moving throughout the

New Testament throughout scriptures and I guess You know, we're gonna be talking to eschatology.

We have a hopeful eschatology. I Would say I have a hopeful eschatology.

You all have a hopeful eschatology Because it's not all doom and gloom It's Jesus Christ is

King above all and we always have Christ to look to When we have gone so far down to the bottom that we can't lift up our heads

Christ is still there He is still there and and we see that pattern throughout

Scripture Rock Bob they we hit rock bottom as human beings in God's people

Particularly hit rock bottom. They look to the Lord. They're encouraged. They're strengthened

They go forward then they start to cycle all over again. We sin because we're stupid

That that's the theological term. We see we sin because we're sinners I know but we sin because we're stupid then we repent and we the

Lord picks us up and we continue on the cycle complete or continues, but I'm sorry.

Can I just read one one a little bit of scripture from 2nd Peter? Okay, 2nd

Peter chapter 2 verse 1 again Paul's right into the dispersed Again, those that have been driven apart by persecution

He's writing to them and he he says to those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our

God and our Savior Jesus Christ grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our

Lord as His divine power has given to us all things That pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of him who has called us by glory and virtue

By which have been given to us? exceedingly great and precious promises

That through these you may be partaker of the divine nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through the flesh

Exceeding great and precious promises. We have these in the Word of God the world don't have these.

I'm sorry guys I got to quit now, Dan Feel free feel free to keep going what

It's you're so encouraging. We appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely He is so great

There's just not a good way to transition from one thing to another so let's let's flip over We praise the

Lord for a back again. Thank you guys for your insights on that Matthew chapter 24 and we'll just look at a few verses as we flip over to eschatology and I'm sure when pastor

Jonathan and pastor John join us They'll have some more questions for us as we

Get a different perspective So Matthew chapter 24

And we left off at verse 14 So again for me,

I think some folks have a hard time understanding or They don't think that and your your view on eschatology can can swing or hinge kind of in On one's verse one passage or or anything like that And and to me this is where it turned the page this is where it you know, it really got me was going to Matthew 24 34 and understanding who

Jesus was talking to understanding his audience and you know if if that's the case if that's his audience then verses 1 through 33

You've got to understand verses 1 through 33 in light of verse 34, you've got to understand revelation in light of verse 34

Daniel Zechariah Ezekiel you've got to understand All those passages in light of verse 34 the the preterist position

And so to me it just made a world of difference and we've hopefully this has been encouraging to folks as we walk through Matthew chapter 24 and looking at verse 14

Actually, actually, I think we cover that and the gospel will be the kingdom shall be preached into the whole world for a witness to all the nations and Then to the end shall come so yeah, we did cover that verse

So people are looking for I Remember this was really big.

I do remember hearing a lot about this growing up when it come to eschatology

We want to send our missionaries and I think that was part of the motivation for sending missionaries is because you know our eschatology says that The gospel the message is going to go out to the whole world and as soon as we hit that That magic number

Jesus is going to come back It's kind of the kind of the vision that I had when I heard it preached we got hit that magic number and So we're sending out missionaries everywhere.

Then Jesus will return but from the preterist position that we get from verse 34 We've got to read it in light of that and it says and the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world

And without going back back over because we've already covered it I'll just read these verses with that.

We looked at before Colossians 1 5 through 6 Colossians 1 23 Romans 10 16 through 18 and Romans 16 25 to 26 evidenced in Scripture That happened that's why we have the the partial preterist position because It all was under the impression that this had been fulfilled

And of course you have to understand the language that that is key and that helps us out a lot knowing that When he uses the word world

Um Then do you have the Greek in front of you? Is that word?

Is that what come in a there? Were you at verse 14 and 24 chapter 24 verse 14?

What come in a? Yep, okay, so Understanding the language is key.

We come in a is is understood as the the Roman world the known world And so Paul understood this verse to be fulfilled

Instead of you know a futuristic view where we've got to hit this key number and then

Jesus will return. So Let's move on the verse verse 15 and see what we can learn from there in light of of course verse 34

Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation Which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place

Let the reader understand Then let all those who are in Judea flee the mountains

But let him who is on the housetop not go down to get these things out of their hat That are in their house and let him who is in the field not turn back to get his cloak but woe to those who are with child and to those who nurse babies in those days pray that your

Flight may not be in the winter or on the Sabbath Okay, so there

Jesus saying look for the abomination of desolation when you see this He's and he's giving them an out

So Dan I know you and I have discussed this in our videos on Daniel But what is

Jesus referred to here when he says spoken of through the book of Daniel or spoken of through Daniel Yeah, I've got you.

Yeah, sure I Think he's talking about the the same event

I Kind of obviously it's it's different timing But I think he's talking about the same event.

I think the emphasis here is on when now you see right the abomination of desolation that was

Prophesied by Daniel now, I believe it happened when Antiochus Epiphanes came and he sacrificed the the abominable sacrifice on the altar and he set up the funkiness over there in the temple

That was absolutely prophesied by Daniel the people in Jerusalem in the time of Jesus those same folks that he's talking to They're going to look and see the same abomination in front of their eyes

They're going to see that thing repeat itself, right? They're going to see so it's not a double fulfillment

It's like he's pointing back and saying what these folks saw hundred and whatever years

Previous, right you will see as well And when you do run

Do not do not go back I'm glad you made that point When you said therefore when you see because that that narrows down his audience therefore when you see and then

Yes to me and my understanding when you look at verse 34 It really helps narrow how you interpret verse 34 because if he's speaking to Them Therefore you if the you is them in all these other verses

It's got to be Them in verse 34, right? You remember those old

Disney sing -along tapes Where you'd have like a whole new world that little ball would bounce across and everybody's saying

They go on a different If you can do the exact same thing with the pronouns through through Matthew 24

And when you could you start back and he identifies his audience Then you bounce the ball across the pronoun you the whole way through it

It never comes to a place where that Changes the object of that prep is it not preposition of that pronoun?

The meat though the one he's addressing when he says you There's no other new subject or object put in there

No, a whole new world all the way through it and you come of the same people, right? Let me ask you this.

I'm not gonna play devil's advocate And call feel free to jump in I'm just want to make the comparison because Without the other folks here to ask those questions

If you're coming at this from the free Dispensational pre -millennial pre -tribular pre -tribulation rapture view

Who are they understanding this abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel who are they

Seeing it there. Who are they expecting that to be? I Would I would say oh, sorry.

Go ahead and I apologize. I said a lot. Go ahead. I would say again, not

Not trying to put words in their mouths, but that's the that's the idea and that's the view where In the pre -millennial dispensational view that they have the idea of the

Antichrist, right? That's where I think that that's where the idea of the Antichrist is brought in in the pre -millennial

Dispensational view it's a it's a future. It's a future event. It's a future thing.

I mean even the greatest of theologians, you know,

Matthew Henry Martin Luther several others. I mean they had they had a somewhat

Post -millennial view however They declared the

Pope right of the they declared the Pope the Antichrist Because it kind of was good in that time

But for me if I'm gonna if I'm gonna try to keep a balanced view of the scripture

Again we can't understand the abomination of desolation as anything that's going that's coming future, but Particularly in the context of where it's couched here in the text

We have to we first have to foremost have to understand that the context is

That everything Jesus is saying to these people on this day

Concerning the near future event of his coming judgment in 70 AD Is based in and solely upon the

Old Testament scriptures You you you can't understand

I mean, this is why Please don't Well, I'm just gonna say it if you have to invite me not to come back.

I that'll be fine, too This is why I think Andy Stanley needs to be busted in the mouth For talking about how we need to unhitch from the

Old Testament You can't understand the New Testament without the Old Testament And you can't appreciate you can't appreciate the

Old Testament without the New Testament Because they they they're hand in glove.

They go they go perfectly together And so everything that Jesus said is in light of the

Old Testament text Here particularly he doesn't leave it to mystery

He doesn't leave it to you know for a chance of somebody maybe getting some kind of veiled message

He says when you see the abomination of desolation

Spoken of and then he says I Daniel let the reader understand

Hey, I mean, it's it's so plain and so clear. They are so clear there, but so often it's

It's Set out as some kind of a far future event.

That's always ultimately being fulfilled in every generation And yet not truly that was sarcasm

It doesn't make a lot of sense that that would be referring to an event that happened in 70 AD and then you hear of The the events of the end times and in the tribulation in a book that supposedly is written in 95

AD But but somehow is supposed to be relevant back to this even though those folks lived through it

And they saw Titus show up. They saw those the Christians ran From Jerusalem when they saw

Titus show up and start doing his his funkiness and Everything worked out well for him just like Jesus said it doesn't it doesn't make a lot of sense the the other way.

Yeah well, let's uh Let's do what

Jesus says just briefly He says spoken of through Daniel and I flip back over to Daniel 27.

So tell me Hopefully with the other guys if they were here we will be answering this question

Since Jesus goes back to Daniel we want to look back at Daniel and we want to as readers We want to understand like you were talking about Claude how

How can this not refer to the Antichrist? That's what we want to know. So I'm looking at Daniel Daniel 9 26 and 27 then after the 62 weeks the

Messiah will be cut off and have nothing and the people of the prince Who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary and it's in will come with a flood

Even to the end there will be war Desolations are determined and he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week

But in the middle of the week, he will put a stop He will put a stop to sacrifice and grand offering and on the wing of the abominations

Will come one that makes this look even until a complete this destruction one that is decreed is poured out on the one who makes this look so How how is this not the

Antichrist that we should be looking for? Or Why should we not put the

Antichrist in chapter 24 verse 15 of Matthew? Go ahead

Dan if you want to We don't put him in Matthew because he's not in Daniel, that's right

Right, but people people do that they do what they do is they see

They see Like the prince that is to come and they see

He shall make a strong covenant with many for one week and for half a week He'll put an end to sacrifice and offering and they say well, you know, how did all this?

take place and They don't see that Jesus was making a covenant.

No, I will be your God You will be my people that he put an end to sacrifice by dying on the cross and being the once -for -all sacrifice for sins and then

That those things continued and the abominations came until the one who makes desolate

I believe Titus came and They did he decreed and they completely desolated and destroyed

Jerusalem the temple and then Titus got his to And as well there

I think again going back and and I'm I'm very simple -minded but What we what we read here in Daniel Our actual events that took place under the

Old Testament in the Old Testament times under the Old Covenant and If we just lay like little landmarks out as we study the scriptures and we look at and we consider these eschatological ideas and in the in the framework that they're put in I think when we when we

Anytime we read in the Old Testament first thing that I have to tell myself is this

The Old Testament is a type and shadow of Christ Right right salvation redemption judgment everything actual events yet and again, it takes some it takes some

Mental discipline for individuals to do this It's easy for us to read that and spiritualize it and make it

It's you know, it's easy for folks to do that to make it a spiritual future event But when we discipline ourselves to understand these are actual events that took place that typified the judgment salvation and salvation of Christ himself and And we we keep that distinction there when we're reading it when we're going back and forth and we keep the idea in the notion in our minds that the remembrance in our heads that The the what we read in the

New Testament is a fulfillment of the old that is it comes to pass that's why the the statement is made with the

Robert you use the the phrase Preterist, I mean, I'm partial preterist.

I'll say that I'm a partial preterist. So already and Not yet. These are things that have already taken place and then what we read

Particularly concerning Christ's coming is that Of course

Christ has not come yet Right, those are those are some of the things but the great majority of the events that have taken place

Particularly like here in Daniel, which Jesus makes a reference back to is an already done deal or event

Exactly. So I appreciate you guys answering that question. I really

I want to I think I want to leave verse 21 to learn our next conversation

Because that's that's opening a whole can of worms in and of itself So I think verses 16 through through 20 really support

Verse 15. It's it's all in the same context and I like what Gary DeMar, you know

He just brings out the obvious those who are in Judea. So You know, this has got to be speaking to them that this event has to be

He's speaking about this event occurring in their time because they're in Judea And then those who are on the housetops

They're the only culture compared to our culture They were on their housetops and we're not we we have pitched roofs and Their culture they did so many things on their their flat rooftops.

So yeah, it just over and over looking at this It's just obvious that his audience that This was going to occur in was the audience to whom he was speaking and it makes it clear in the context and in the language

It makes it harder and harder for me to believe or that or Finding credibility in the in the other millennial

Viewpoints because it seems so clear here I Think I want to wrap it up there if it's okay with you guys.

Do you guys have any any thoughts? Any last thoughts?

Not a one never do Well Claude I would love for you before we get off here for anybody that that watches this video

And that stuck around with us would you mind to give us a gospel presentation share the gospel of Jesus Christ so that Someone that May need to hear it

May need to hear it for the second time with a hundred times that they can hear about the love of Jesus Christ and how to be saved

That would be a privilege in an honor brother So despite the fact that we're talking about eschatological views, that's a secondary issue

Primary issues are the person and work of Jesus Christ The gospel is this according to According to Corinthians Paul's letter to the

Corinthians The gospel is this that Christ died according to the script or Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures

The scriptures teach us that not not a one of us is good. There's none good. No, not one none seeks after God We all have gone astray every single one of us based upon our sin nature.

We're born sinners Unable to avoid sin and therefore unable to avoid the consequence of sin and because of sin we die

Will die lost or saved you'll find yourself in heaven or you'll find yourself in hell. You'll find yourself in heaven if that you

Trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross that he died for your sins that he was buried

That he rose again on the third day And he ascended to the father and that he ever lives

To make intercession for us The gospel call is turned from your sin

Repent of your sin believe on Jesus Christ and his work and you will be saved today

Amen. Thank you so much. And if you have never turned to Jesus Christ repent of your sins put your faith in him

There's no better time to do it than than right now and We would we would encourage you and plead with you to turn to Jesus Christ for your salvation

There there's no better better life now than to be in him there's no better life to come than to be with him and In him all promises will be fulfilled and full joy can be found in Jesus Christ and will be like Habakkuk if If we're we're focused on him our eyes are on the kingdom that we can

Our heels will be walking on the clouds like Habakkuk knowing the

Lord Jesus Christ So thank you everybody for watching and thank you Claude and Dan. Thank you