May 16, 2019 Show with Josh Moody on “Boasting: When We Boast Right, We Live Right, & We Bear Much Fruit to God’s Honor”

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This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Thursday on the 16th day of May 2019 and I am very excited that we have a very first time guest today an iron sharpens iron radio

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We have Josh Moody on the program. He is senior pastor of College Church in Wheaton, Illinois Founder and president of God centered life ministries and the author of burning hearts journey to joy

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No other gospel and the God -centered life today. We are going to be addressing his latest book boasting

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When we boast right we live right and we bear much fruit to God's honor

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And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio Josh Moody Hey Chris, thank you so much for having me on the program

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It's just a real privilege to be with you and I've been looking forward to the chance to talk about God's Word and how it applies to Contemporary life and all that.

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So thank you so much for this opportunity to converse with you My pleasure brother and if you could tell our listeners something about College Church in Wheaton, Illinois Yeah, because church is a historic church founded in 1860 by the same man who founded

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Wheaton College. It's right next door to Wheaton College. It's a it's a larger church

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It's a church with a big passion for God's Word expositional preaching and for outreach missions and You know, it's we've got a lot of college students, but we've also very much multi -generational a lot of families and I've been here now a little over ten years

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Well, praise God now tell us something about God centered life ministries

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Yeah, so this really came out of one of those early books He mentioned I wrote and first of all, it was, you know, just a web page and that sort of thing and then

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I got approached by a Couple of radio executives a little over a year ago now a year and a half ago

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They were they were listening to me preach at some conference I was at and they came and said to me look brother we're looking for a younger generation of expositors to get into this kind of media preaching ministry on radio and Through podcasts and everything and we really think you should consider it and so, okay

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I better think about that Approaching me so I got to go some You know took some counsel some leaders and things like that and so about a year and a half ago, we transitioned that ministry to be a

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Sort of media ministry of my sermons and that kind of thing So we're now on Moody radio and a few other programs.

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We've been going, you know about nine months or so So we're pretty pretty early to that kind of game But it's been a good thing and the the goal is to get

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God's Word out as far and wide as possible Well, praise God and for those of you who want to do some further investigation of College Church in Wheaton, Illinois that website is college church org college church org and The God centered life ministry website is

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God centered life Or God centered life org and hopefully I will remember to repeat that information later on during the program

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And by the way, just to satisfy the curiosity of those listening our guests today

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I did some question asking of my own before he came on the air today and His assistant told me that he is not related to DL Moody And nor is he other than having a program on Moody radio nor is he the owner of the

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Moody No, well what we do on iron

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Sherpins iron radio when we have a first -time guest We have that guest give a summary of their salvation testimony before we go on to the main

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Theme today, which is your book on boasting We would like you to give us

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Some kind of an idea of what kind of religious atmosphere you were raised in and what kind of providential circumstances our sovereign

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Lord Raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you. Yeah I grew up in a

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Bible -believing home Church of England. Oh, yes, you can tell from my accent that I'm from England originally

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So I thought Brooklyn, New York right away So You know, they read the

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Bible to me before I could read godly parents That's the thing why I made a professional faith young like I guess a lot of people do from that sort of background

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My There was I was at a my parents helped out of the teenage

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Evangelistic campus sort of volunteer leaders and I've been put to bed for the evening and there was a evening talk

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Given by a man called Clive Samson. He's now gone to be with the Lord He preaching to teenagers and I couldn't sleep.

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I've never needed that much sleep and like obviously that night I couldn't sleep So I went downstairs and snuck into the back of the the talk and heard him

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Give what's called the way talk in those contexts, which is an evangelistic appeal to give your life to Jesus and I did and so I've always been fascinated at my first step of faith and Jesus was an act of rebellion against being in bed

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So there was that and then I you know, I guess like a lot of people I sort of struggle with assurance

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Actually for many years probably about five years Christian have I really been Saved am

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I really forgiven forgiven was the big thing for me and then one night when I was 13 I was lying asleep lying awake and just crying out to God saying to him over and over again

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Lord Why haven't you forgiven me? Why haven't you forgiven me? And I You know,

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I don't think I heard a physical voice but it felt like I heard a voice say I have and That was really the turning point in my life.

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I began to do You know, I met I really began to live at that point so I came alive as a

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Christian and Obviously, there's been a lot that's happened since but that's the beginning Now, how did you come to believe that you were receiving a call from God to enter into the ministry?

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Oh, yeah. Well So very soon after that I went to English boarding school a bit like a

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Yeah, I guess it's kind of close to a sort of New England prep school that kind of thing so I was sent away to boarding school when

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I was young 13 and Soon after that experience with Jesus and so they have a they have a tradition of chapel each day

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And you know, I don't think many there's a very old tradition. My school was founded in 1558

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So, you know, it'd be a long time Doing this kind of thing and there were probably some Christians there but not many but you had to still go to chapel so everyone's kind of going for the motions and Often after that I got asked to give a talk in the chapel by by the by the chaplain,

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I think one of the maybe it's the Christian little Christian group there and I said yes to that and so then you know that I'm suddenly giving us a little mini sermon in front of 500 teenagers and you know,

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I was obviously scared out of my mind doing that and But I remember having done it that the feeling was there was something at work that wasn't me and I didn't know what that meant.

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I didn't intend. I didn't know what a pastor was, you know, really I and I intended to be a lawyer initially.

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I started to explore that being a lawyer in London and then

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I went to university and then at university I got to ask to lead a Christian organization and I felt that was a key turning point to saying yes to ministry of some kind then

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I did some mission work and trained academically did some academic ministry and Then I was working for a church running the college ministry there in my sort of mid -twenties

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I suppose by now and I was asking God It's going walking out to an evening service there to hear one of the elders preach and I was asking

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God Look, I want to serve you. I love you Help me see whether the right expression for my love for you is to Be an academic be a missionary or be a pastor just make it clear to me

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And I walked into the service and the elder was preaching on John 21 and the way he preached It was if you love me,

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I want you to feed my sheep That's like the clearest possible answers the prayer. It's like oh I get it.

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Okay, I'm gonna feed your sheep So that's what I've been doing since well, praise God and Forgive me if you mentioned this in the description of College Church but having been raised

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Anglican was there a either theological or ecclesiastical

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Transformation or change in your life? Yeah, not not that not that I am trying to insinuate.

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There's anything wrong with being Anglican I have I mean, well, there is something wrong with some Anglicans, but but I have

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I have very strong Reformed Anglicans on this show quite often actually 39 articles men.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right But if you could tell us something more about that part, yeah. Yeah. Thank you

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Chris yet to clarify. That's really helpful. Yeah, so my Background in the church ring.

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It was that kind of you know I don't really know Dick Lucas or John Stott or the

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Proclamation Trust that we were just, you know reformed I mean it within Anglicanism has always been there's maybe more detail than anyone wants

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But there's always been basically three streams. Yeah, there's been like the Jim Packer stream, which is the reformed basically

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Puritans, you know That stream and that's kind of my background and then there's been a liberal stream and then there's been you know

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A high church stream, which has been you know, everything but the Pope, but otherwise based Oxford movement

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Exactly. And so there's always been those three elements in it I came from the reformed evangelical

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John Stott Jim Packer kind of thing and But I am

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Baptistic so I mean in my little before I called well before after I can't remember now, but sometime in mid -twenties,

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I Got baptized because you know, I became clear to me in the

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Bible that you know this is obviously a matter of division among evangelicals, so you know and and I've good brothers on the side of this particular fence, but you're asking me, you know, whether I'm still an anchor basically

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So I you know, I could be certainly serve with Jim Packer very happily, you know But I wouldn't be on myself be able to baptize babies.

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There's an issue of conscience for me I came out in my twenties and so I had to sort of think

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I can't can't serve the Anglican Church as a pastor I'm more than happy to attend the Bible teaching Anglican Church, but And so then

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I became Baptistic and college church had his own interesting history that you know It's a lot of Baptist influence, but we'll have proselytians involved and we have a prostitute, you know

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Some prosecutors on staff and things like that yeah, it's kind of interesting that I typically rib my 39 articles

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Anglican friends because I tell them that I can really adopt

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The 39 articles even as a reformed Baptist because the article regarding baptism

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Just says that we are not to forbid children from being baptized and I would never forbid a child who repented and believe ever

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Doesn't use the term infants, of course, I know that Thomas I know that Thomas Cranmer and The Anglicans involved in those articles were pedo -baptist, but it's sure it's interesting that they didn't use the term infants yeah, and I think they weren't passionate about that by that stage and so it wasn't a

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Yeah, so and in fact, I love telling my Liberal Episcopalian and also

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Romish Oxford movement Anglican friends that I believe I'm more Anglican than they are because of the 39 articles

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I agree with them more than they do Well quite yeah Yep, well this book

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When people may initially either see it on a bookshelf, they may see it advertised somewhere on the internet or elsewhere

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They may be hearing me speaking about it right now and and it seems That the majority of my listeners are theologically reformed judging from the correspondence that we have with them

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I'm sure that some people might be having their eyebrows raised what boasting is he from?

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Boasting I mean of Calvinists of all people are support even though there are many arrogant and proud

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Calvinists among us we're supposed to be the most humble of Christians in regard to knowing that we did not contribute one single thing to our salvation at least to our regeneration and election and our justification but Tell us

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What on earth led you to write a book about boasting and obviously when you read the subtitle there's got to be a better motive in mind than many people might immediately rush to Some people who might be fans of Joel Osteen and others like him might get a totally wrong idea, but if you could

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Yeah, so when we both write we bear much fruition there To God's honor, so that's the sort of driving idea behind it.

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Yeah, which is the subtitle. Yeah, and I'm reformed Baptist I understand that completely. I theologically, so So the the background story to this is that I was preaching on the text

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Romans 5 Verse 2 working my way through Romans here at the church really pretty slowly got to Romans 5 verse 2, which is we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God and Of Course that word there rejoice is the same word as Paul's use earlier in chapter 3 when he says well

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You know boasting is now excluded, but then you come to chapter 5 you say well actually I do both but we both about something with now it's a different kind of boasting we're boasting in God and And that that that sermon itself kind of caught fire in the corrugation and sometimes they do they do

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You know, it's like something different happens and that would intrigue me and it set me on a sort of years research

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Let's just look into what the Bible said both about the specific word

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Boasting so, you know Paul of course in the Corinthian Correspondence uses that quite a lot He says

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I boast, you know I boast in weakness for God's powers made perfect in my weakness and that was a particular insight was given to him

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He talks about the Corinthians so that the Paul's understanding of boasting, but then also more broadly this idea of scripture and then the application to You know contemporary church life and contemporary

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Life in our in our world in our culture That what does it mean for us today to to live for Jesus in a way?

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That is promoting Jesus that isn't that isn't bashful. So I've I've become

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I guess concerned that we're Falling one way or the other of a biblical balance on this issue

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And I think the this idea of boasting the Bible can help us with it on the one hand as you Intimated there are probably some you know of us and maybe we're all tempted to sometimes who seems like we're coming across rather shrill

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Maybe even a little arrogant like we you know, we're shouting to you know, all the social media

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I think can kind of reveal a sort of Sometimes even a nastiness certainly an aggressive streak.

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There's that extreme and then the other extreme is because it feels like The culture perhaps is not as friendly to all

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Christians as it was even ten years ago about 20 years ago There's a tendency to sort of go into our shell to walk around defeated to not take on issues or Simply not to be just graciously evangelistic just to tell our friends about Jesus.

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I mean, there's some Interesting statistics out there that show that you know, I'll get the exact numbers not right

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But it's something like, you know, 60 % of Americans today are open to hearing someone tell them about Jesus But something like only 30 % of Christians will actually tell their neighbors about Jesus Disparity, you know and and so I'll be saying what what is the biblical response then?

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I think it's this idea of boasted like we you know at the end of Matthew 28 Go into all the world make disciples all nations baptized in the name of the

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Father the Son the Holy Spirit all authority in heaven and earth has been given to me therefore go and do this and You know, surely

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I'll be with you always the end of the age is that kind of you know, full -orbed Unembarrassed Not bashful, but but humble graceful

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Confidence that I think this idea of boasting there's probably other ways to get it to you But that that was the driving.

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What can I do to try and help us as God's people be out there telling our friends about Jesus?

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without any with without fear of you know pleasing people without being so people pleases but but gracious and humble and kind and So that's what

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I really tried to achieve Yeah years ago John MacArthur Wrote a book with a very provocative title ashamed of the gospel

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Many of us who profess to love the Lord We have repented very often of very scandalous wicked sins

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Not all of us, of course, there are many who raised Christian who whose sins although equally damning we're perhaps more involving pride and and things like that not so overtly and scandalously wicked but What is amazing and I'm and I'm including myself in here

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I'm not trying to point fingers just at everybody else, but it's amazing how we who are regenerate we who know

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That we owe all to Christ how often we can fail to boast about him and For something as little as we don't want the sales clerk in the store to give us in a strange look

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Or we don't want our family at the Thanksgiving dinner table to groan and Perhaps have a harsh word of retort and yet throughout history

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And even today in certain parts of the world like the Sudan There are Christians who are actually being tortured and murdered for their faith and yet we for the slightest of ridiculous reasons are

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Ashamed to boast about our precious Lord God Savior and King Yeah, absolutely.

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I yeah, and you think on the global scale the

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You know that the Christians of Burkina Faso that that pastor recently, you know, he was told recant of your faith who will die and decided to die and yeah, and You know what?

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What do we say? So I think there is a need for us to just Not be defeated like we've got the greatest message in the world and I love that yeah, we should not be ashamed of the gospel and Why because it's the gospel because of what

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God has done in our lives and I want to do everything I can in in in my preaching right now, but in my in this book really to exhort us to Stand tall and say look it's not

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You know, Jesus is coming again, that's our great hope and therefore we're people of hope and yeah Things are going to get darker and worse in some ways because we know that's true, too

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But we also know we're part of the kingdom method that's that's advanced the kingdom of all the power that God gives us

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And do that with confidence and boldness, you know, Joshua, you know, they're great words to Joshua You know be strong and courageous.

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Do not be frightened. Do not be afraid for the Lord You'll go be with you wherever you go. It's that sort of Message I think we need to we need to take on board and on the other hand, you know not go to the other extreme

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Which is sort of, you know, needlessly offending people things other than the offense of the cross, you know that's what the cross is an offense and We draw a line there, but we're not gonna you know, sometimes people you know the old thing someone says they're being persecuted at work and you talk to them about how they're behaving and you realize they're not really

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Being persecuted for being a Christian. They're being persecuted for being a pain in the neck And for robbing time from their employers by exactly.

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Yeah So there's a balance in all this and I know and I'm sort of taking a little bit one side of that balance because I Think we've gone too much the other way in some circles, but you know

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Yeah, well, we're gonna find out when we come back from our first break whether or not Jesus himself

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This is Chris Arnzen if you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours with about 90 minutes to go is

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Josh Moody senior pastor of College Church in Wheaton, Illinois founder and president of God -centered life ministries and The author of a number of books including the one we are addressing today boasting when we boast right we live right and we bear much

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Fruit to God's honor if you have a question for pastor Moody our email address is

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USA and only remain Anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter so right before the break as you may remember pastor

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Josh I asked you did Jesus boast Right. Yeah It depends how you define the word boast.

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I mean if you think about it in terms of you know bragging then of course the answer is is is no because that would be sinful and So in that sense know that my answer must be that Jesus did not boast

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But even you begin to think about in terms we were just defining earlier in terms of how Paul Talked about boasting his weakness this idea of promoting

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Jesus of rejoicing the hope of glory or boasting the hope of glory As it would be more literally even that seems a little how do you understand that with Jesus life?

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And isn't he the one who died on the cross, you know the man of sorrows who suffered you You know for the

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Son of Man did not come to be served But to serve and to give his life as a ransom of many it doesn't feel like it's a core idea related to Jesus, but then then you think a little more clearly about Jesus life and You know put him in conversation with the

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Pharisees He's pretty willing to to take a stand for what is right?

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What is true? He's he's willing to Set his face to Jerusalem and to do what needs to be done and he isn't

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Hiding away. He isn't like Saul hiding in the baggage, you know and not wanting to be not wanting to be called out to lead

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Oh, he he leads he puts himself, you know, he goes first To the dangerous place first to the cross so in that sense he defined it and the way we are defining it then yeah

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He did Yeah, and he of course Is the only man that has the right to boast?

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of course, the only right we have to boast is to boast in the cross of our Lord, but His boasting is even seen clearly in his claims of being the exclusive Savior His claims that he is the way the truth and the life and that no one comes to the father but by him,

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I mean today's modern liberal or They're more accurately should be called leftist

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Mainline denominations of Christendom The way that Jesus describes himself in the scriptures and the

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God -breathed inerrant word Our liberal friends and neighbors Do not want a

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Jesus like that. They seem to want a Jesus that is so Unhistorically, you know unbiblically humble that he is willing to share the glory with Muhammad Buddha and even human beings and you know, not that Muhammad wasn't a human being but a regular average ordinary people who

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May you know help fight against global warming or whatever. These people are

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Sharing in Christ's glory in their minds Yeah, that's a great way of putting it because he

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There's something Especially offensive about the claims that Jesus makes him about himself today

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For so many people and yet he is the only one who can uniquely You know be at the center of the universe because he is

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God incarnate and So for Jesus to make, you know, C .s. Lewis, you know for anyone to make the kind of claims that Jesus makes about himself

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He's either mad bad or God. He's either Lord Lyle lunatic, you know, he's either is who he says he is or he's you know

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Insane it along the same lines of a man who claims to be a poached egg or whatever it is

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You know that line and so he And And when we see that Of course, and then our boasting is is orientating us, you know, you know the ministry

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I run God sent of life I think often in terms of centralize upon God, but our boasting is a way of centering our life upon him we're pushing it what we're turning the headlights on him and we're promoting him and His glory and yet, you know, of course

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Jesus, he is the one who is to be glorified and so You know take the structure of John's Gospel, for instance where you have, you know

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You have an introduction the prologue and then you have conclusion and then in between you have you know often a structure like the book of signs the book of glory and So counterintuitive the whole you know

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Now now is the hour for the Son of Man to be glorified and the whole the whole glory of Jesus comes through his death

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Resurrection through the cross and in that he's glorified and so yeah, he very much

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It is right for Jesus to claim central place and it is Right for his cross to be at the forefront of everything that we say and we do

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Because when we boast we're promoting him and when he's to be glorified he he glorifies

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Himself and and that's that's the way it should be and when he's glorified we are recentering our lives on the very very center of the universe well, we have a listener in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island Ronald in Long Island, New York and Ronald asks

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Do we not need to be very careful when we evangelize others that we do not

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Speak or behave as if we are innately superior to them.

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I understand that we are called to be more godly and more obedient and more holy than our lost neighbors around us, but the fact of the matter is

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Innately we are very often no better sometimes worse than they are some of our atheist neighbors are better parents and better spouses and better at many things that we fail as Christians to do shouldn't the boasting be

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Exclusively about a Savior who has also saved us from our own damnation

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Yeah, well, absolutely. I agree. I agree with all that. I think that You know the famous phrase that evangelism is one beggar

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Showing another beggar where they have found bread and that's what it is And you know,

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I was sharing the gospel with someone last night who you know a friend Introduced me to him because he needed to talk through some things and you know, just saying very frankly look

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You know, you're not coming to Jesus because you know, we found we're better. We're all in the same

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We're all sinners the different the only difference is that that I know Jesus and I want you to know him, too

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And so absolutely there's no we don't we don't Preach as if it's as if we're preaching us.

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No, we we don't preach ourselves We we preach nothing but Christ and crucified but the the idea behind this posting is the confidence to actually

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Like I did just last night to look our neighbor in the eye and just say

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Look we can talk through all the different things you got going on in your life But the real thing that you need is spiritual power and that's going to come through a relationship with Jesus and that's what

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I love for you to have and Being bold enough to say that even even in our relativistic pluralistic age

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Even to an atheist and you know thinking about atheism You know

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Bertrand Russell the famous atheist who said not enough evidence God not enough evidence That's what he'd say when he got to if he died and then met

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God afterwards He'd say, you know, why didn't you believe in me? God would say to him his reply was not enough evidence

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God not enough evidence his daughter wrote about about about him and said that She could never

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Persuade him that she had found what he had been looking for and that She thought that he could never really get his mind around God because he had met so many

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Christians Who to him seem to be killjoys and the sort of religious freaks who are always against everything against life

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And we don't want to be like that at all. We need to commend Christ as people who've just found Found something beautiful.

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We can't because we want to talk about it. It's so wonderful, but it's not about us at all It's he found me and here he is.

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So I would agree with That that listener for sure. I'm grateful for his comment. I think that's right yeah,

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I can recall a conversation with a lost individual

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Very close to me where this person responded to my

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Pleas for them to repent and believe upon Christ this person said to me You think you're better than me?

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And I retorted with the statement. No, that is the opposite of the truth

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I am the one between us who recognizes how wicked I am Yeah, and I mean

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I'm not saying that I'm always that biblical and that Humble in my approach when dealing with unbelievers or with anybody else for that matter but That is

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I think something that we have to remind our friends family and loved ones who? recoil and disgust or discomfort when we are evangelizing them that We are not saying hey

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Be like me. I'm better than you We're saying I know that I was rescued from my sin from damnation

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And I want you to share in that mercy. I want you to be rescued as well

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Yeah, I think that's so powerful. So important. It reminds me a little of because I think sometimes the church has

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Perhaps inadvertently maybe mistakenly but given the impression that what we're preaching is morality being good and And therefore people think whatever we say, they still think you're just saying, you know, be good and reminded, you know,

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Lloyd -Jones once the great Welsh preacher Martin Lloyd -Jones once said that it's heresy to Expect a non -christian to behave like a

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Christian There's you know We we need to be born again before we can For we can love the

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Lord you God with all your heart so on mine but what the law does is a schoolmaster that leads us to Christ it humbles us and When the

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Spirit of Christ convicts us we go. I've I really have messed up. I need help here and When you get to that place, you know, there's wonderful good news that there's an offer to you

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You know even right now if you're listening that you know, you may think I went to church and so I'm just a good person

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Well, let me let me boast in the cross of Christ to you that there is there is good news for you right now

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If you repent and believe if you say Jesus, will you come and save me?

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I need help, you know have mercy on me like the blind man have but just save me help me God and You know, the law promises that if you're genuine in their requests

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He'll come and rescue give you his spirit and you begin a new life and it's got nothing whatsoever to do with You know me being better than you.

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It's just that I've got a responsibility to tell you because I found this You know this this this great thing that I have

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I've got to share because Jesus rescued me not because of anything I did and It's so important to get that the right way around that way that we're preaching news.

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Good news. We're not preaching, you know Just like life improvement, you know, what's life change?

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And I am very frequently guilty of the sin that Martin Lloyd -Jones described because I find myself all too often getting angry and frustrated with people who

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I know people who I love and even strangers that I happen to be in a situation that's getting me upset for some reason

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I All too often am expecting them to behave like Christians when

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I know that they're lost And although we are definitely not to shy away from calling upon people to repent and to marking out and identifying

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The ways that they are rebelling against God And of course some of those ways are even deadly to their physical life let alone their eternal spiritual life

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We can't at the same time let ourselves get filled with frustration over Expect expectations that will never be met by unregenerate people, right?

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I mean the great hope is the gospel. The great hope is Jesus and we've

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You know, we've got to keep that at the At the front and center of the heart of what we're saying today

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You know, it is true. It is true. I mean proverbial wisdom, you know Righteousness exalts a nation as sinners are approached for any people that there are the the universe it does function a certain kind of way and you know, if you if you

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Get drunk every night. Your life is not going to go so well as if you Are more like a stoic and you know work hard and you know,

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Benjamin Franklin You know early early to bed and what early to rise and early to bed makes one healthy wealthy wise whatever it is

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I mean, that's true generally speaking But but but we're talking about something we're talking about life change or talking about heaven

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We're talking about where you go after you die. We're talking about a new relationship with God We're not talking about making sure that your journey to hell is as good as it possibly can be

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We won't rescue and and and so Yeah, and you know society will function better when it follows the makers instructions

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But we still need rescue. We still need rescue I've I forgot to tell

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Full mailing address. I love the cover by the way. It took me at least two minutes

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To recognize the significance of the artwork on the cover. I Originally was wondering what are what are these?

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These Leaves or is this a wheat field behind the word boasting and I recognize wait a minute.

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That's a peacock. Those are peacock feathers Obviously a perfect symbol for boasting. Well, that's the public the publisher.

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That was their artist and their idea They sent to me. I said, oh, that's brilliant. You know, well done. That's great.

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So yeah, I agree. I thought was very clever Let's see here. We have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania who asks is

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It ever right to boast about ourselves When we are trying to defend ourselves against false

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Accusations the Apostle Paul seemed to do that when he was being accused of things He was innocent of doing and he even went as far as to explain how he labored as a tentmaker

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To earn money, even though he was not required of God to do that. Yeah, that's a great question

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I think it is. I think it is sometimes right and I think that Because We because Jesus, you know went to the cross died

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And took a lot of false accusation there and answered not a word when he was accused all sorts of things

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We can apply that to every situation But there are times when as Christians when we're falsely accused when it is it is not only

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Okay for us to defend ourselves it is our responsibility because You know if if if we're being accused as Christians Then we're not you know,

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Paul that was was partly defending himself But but he was defending himself because he was defending the gospel

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So he is a representative of Christ if he done these horrible things that he was being accused of if he'd sort of manipulated them and only not not

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Accepted money because he wanted to somehow be superior to them or something like that And if he changed his plans in a worldly way and all these

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If you know his preaching wasn't as impressive as these other guys because you know Actually, he what he's saying was their message

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What their message his message wasn't as good as theirs is all that was true Then the message of Christ that he was preaching that that's undermined.

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And so It is important that especially in those situations that we we come along and say no that we need to correct that and now that that's different from you know, often people accuse when they start defending themselves of being defensive and that could be used as a sort of barb to stop you saying anything, but it's

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Often what people mean when they're saying someone's being defensive is they're sounding angry or you know

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They he's protesting too much. There could really be something behind that So there are you know There are practical things you can do when you're being attacked or criticized and one that I learned from someone some years ago that I always

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Do my best to apply perhaps don't always manage it, but I try to which is you know

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Wait 24 hours at least just wait 24 hours because you know when someone says something really really gets to you

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You just wait a little bit your blood calms down and then you can give a more reasoned response and But yeah, the short answer would be

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I think that it is okay and sometimes it's a responsibility because If the church if Christians at large are being accused of being racist or immoral

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We need to defend that because we're bearing the name of Christ, right and it's actually important Yes, and you're also

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Possibly not necessarily but possibly stopping somebody else from sinning because they are committing

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The sin of bearing false witness and if you just allow them to keep going and going and going

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They're continuing in their sin. Yeah. Well, that's that's true, too. We do ever. Yeah Yeah, we got to carry our own load as Paul said

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But also we got to bear the burdens of others and at times when we got to bear that burden say look I you know, you need to think about that because you know, this is she isn't right maybe you didn't realize it, but maybe you did but maybe you didn't and Here's here's what really happened and here's why

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I really did this I think in Christianship circle sometimes I found this We have this tendency to go to motivation and we really need to resist that it is true that everything comes out of the heart, but the

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Lord knows the heart I don't and You know, it's difficult enough for you to read your own heart

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Oh and someone else's you don't know their motivation and people can go to motivations Someone does something while they're doing that because really, you know, their heart isn't in it all day and that could be very damaging

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So we don't we want to judge by by but you know Be you don't want to you know, but when the famous kind of the verse that everyone knows these days is do not judge

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You know, but that's often taking our context We do need to have critical mind whereby we can assess truth, but we don't go to oh

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He's you know, this kind of person because he did this now that's up to God like God be the judge But we're we're we're taking on board a critical like that doesn't sound right because it doesn't square with Scripture So we have a critical mind without a critical spirit if that makes sense.

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Yes, we have to judge rightly We're not yeah, right. In fact, it's it's it's somewhat humorous, but although it's not always humorous it could be in the mid admit in the middle of a

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Intense argument there's somebody who's hurling insults at you but when people hurl the accusation at you you're judging and the correct response or at least accurate not necessarily correct all the time, but as far as the

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Appropriate timing to say this but it would be a truthful statement to retort What are you doing right now?

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You just you just accused me of judging you're you are judging you're making a judgment there

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Uh, let's see here uh, we have Uh We have grady in ashborough, north carolina

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Who says brother chris and pastor josh moody. I heard on dr. Michael horton's show core christianity

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That 60 percent of millennials don't believe it's right to share the gospel according to a pew research survey

01:25:24

When god reached down and pulled me out of the miry clay and made me a new creation I have found that I can't stop boasting about our lord.

01:25:30

Jesus christ. Why do you think a majority of christian millennials? Would not see the command to share the good news of the of god

01:25:40

Yeah, I mean i'm sure I know michael a little bit. I'm sure he's accurate in quoting that statistic. I haven't I haven't seen it myself.

01:25:47

Um, but it doesn't It doesn't surprise me That kind of idea. I think that it's just a reflection of an ideology that's become prevalent

01:25:55

It's you know, it's kind of worked its way down from secular universities and graduating to popular culture, which is you know, what's known as relativistic post -modernity which is basically um that there are many different paths to god

01:26:11

You don't have a right to impose Your viewpoint on someone else to do so is arrogant number one number two potentially dangerous um, if there's no ultimate truth, then any claim to any kind of ultimate truth is

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Not only arrogant, but it's also dangerous because it's a kind of power move. You're really asserting your own um tribe your own, um uh privilege uh over someone else

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And you know that it's just live and let live everyone has their own viewpoint don't insert your don't assert your viewpoint someone else

01:26:46

So that's where it comes from And you know, so I guess the sort of follow -up question to that would be so what do we do about that?

01:26:52

I think what we do about that is we just need healthy churches while the bible is taught where people come across christ and uh through his word encounter him as the way the truth in life and um

01:27:06

And there are many millennials, you know who are there as well, so You understand that and are witnessing about jesus

01:27:15

Um, but I think that's the reason why it's because of what's called resinistic post -modernity And I think we obviously cannot rule out the fact that many of these

01:27:27

Professing christians who are millennials are not even christian at all Uh, they may have been raised

01:27:33

In christian homes and just think that they're christian because they've been told their entire lives by their parents and their family

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And then and they're pastors and members of their church that they're christians Right, and they think well i'm i'm not a muslim.

01:27:47

I'm not a jew. I'm not a hindu or a buddhist I'm, not an atheist. So i'm a christian right, uh, and because uh,

01:27:53

I can't imagine I mean I know that we do not reach sinless perfection on this earth by any stretch of the imagination

01:28:01

But it's hard for me to imagine A genuinely born again person with the indwelling of the holy spirit uh

01:28:10

Would come to a conclusion that I am not supposed to be telling others about this Wonderful glorious christ and his gospel that rescued me

01:28:18

From sin, uh death and damnation. It's just hard for me to wrap my head around. Yeah. No, I understand

01:28:24

I think that's I think there's a lot to that and I And so these statistics can be i'm always a little cautious until you know, if I took the time to look at the definitions, you know what they mean by christian and and You know, how do they define that define that by someone saying they're christian or they define it by?

01:28:42

someone, um, you know attending church a certain number of times they're defining it by uh doctrinal belief system that you know, and so it becomes uh

01:28:53

Difficult to know but there does seem to be I think there's some truth that does it does seem to be you know, the

01:28:59

Statistics I quoted earlier about you know, um 60 something percent of non -christians want to hear the gospel but you know 30 something percent of of christians only feel like they

01:29:11

You know want to share the gospel that kind of thing. There's something in the air Right now that makes that spiritual conviction that a real christian does have

01:29:19

Sort of harder to push against and again, that's that's sort of why I I i'm trying to say look

01:29:24

That's this boasting idea boasting the gospel of the glory of god boasting in christ Let's let's get ourselves out there to actually talk about what we know and if you if you talk about it in the in the most basic terms, you know, even if you

01:29:38

You just found um a beautiful piece of artwork or amazing. Um a piece of music you're going to want to share that well, how

01:29:46

How much more? Would you want to share uh, jesus it doesn't mean you have to shove him down the throat of someone you're you're you're one beggar sharing

01:29:55

Talking to another beggar about where you have found bread Amen, and i've even heard the analogy given of uh a soldier returning from war

01:30:07

And one of his comrades in arms had rescued him from certain death uh on the battlefield and Much to his own peril perhaps the person who rescued the returning soldier was in fact killed

01:30:24

Uh, but in the act of his heroic deed and a man like that uh returning home is surely not going to uh remain quiet about this this precious hero this comrade -in -arms who gave his own life to rescue him and jesus christ's rescuing us his people from our sin death and damnation through his uh act of Redemption his voluntary death on calvary's cross.

01:30:55

Uh is infinitely greater than even a very precious and vital uh

01:31:02

Act of heroism by a human soldier. I mean jesus christ's act of Mercy upon us is something that is

01:31:11

Infinitely and far greater than anything any human can do and yet we keep our mouths shut uh for many reasons, uh, one thing

01:31:19

I don't know if you have heard this or have experienced this but I know that i've said this on this program before but a bit of good news that I heard from a uh a gentleman, uh who has a campus ministry

01:31:35

At least he he did when I heard him a couple of years ago. He ran a campus ministry at princeton university, which is now obviously predominantly a very liberal institution and in fact, you might even say apostate in many circumstances but you

01:31:52

He was he was sharing something that I found surprising in a good way. He he said that the lost who are millennials

01:32:01

But who are being drawn who are who are becoming interested In christianity and who are desirous of going to visiting a worship service on a regular basis and so on he interestingly enough said that Not all of course, but many a very high percentage of millennials in that category do not want the

01:32:27

The flashing lights and the smoke machines and the hard rock bands performing on stage and all the all the

01:32:36

Insanity that sometimes takes place in what passes for modern evangelicalism. They actually want traditional

01:32:44

Uh church services, they want hymn singing they want reverence They want people especially those who are preaching and leading worship to be dressed

01:32:55

In a reverent fashion, you know, I mean I was very surprised to hear that have you've heard or experienced the same thing

01:33:01

I think that's certainly uh true that a lot of these Uh, yeah,

01:33:07

I I think I would resonate with that's the core idea there that what I found is, you know,

01:33:12

I did I did a church revitalization in new haven right next to yale university.

01:33:18

I was there for about nine years and we Did a you know took the god by his grace it took the you know church replant from very very small to you know really pretty pretty good sized church and Um, we saw a number of people.

01:33:34

Um come to christ students young folk. It was predominantly young lot By a lot, you know hardly anyone over gosh over 35 or 40 hardly anyone everyone was in their 20s

01:33:45

Maybe 30s just about with a few exceptions And um, you know people said well, what do you do?

01:33:52

Well, what we did was we preached the word and you know, we tell people about jesus and you know, that was kind and we certainly had no smoke machines and um, and I think that there's a there's a hunger for um clarity and um authority

01:34:11

And uh conviction And what you're seeing with some of this statistics is you know there are people who grew up in evangelical circles who haven't really

01:34:22

You know I want to say to people sometimes, you know, are you a christian but can you tell me? um the story of How jesus met you?

01:34:33

Can you tell me a story about that and often they have no story about that So I don't actually think this person's regenerating.

01:34:38

It's up to god to know but they don't they don't actually know jesus They may they may have grown up in evangelical church, but they don't know jesus

01:34:46

And of course then, you know for them. It's sort of like a cultural thing It's like I don't like this bit of the culture.

01:34:52

I don't like this bit of the culture. I don't And they haven't actually met jesus where if you find someone who comes from You know, i've got stories on minds and individuals, but if you find somebody who comes from you know, very

01:35:04

Far -flung kind of lesbian background unconverted meets christ just Falls in love with him and the life has changed and that's very different from someone who grows up you know a very different set of someone who grows up in the church and then sort of begins to play with some of these other ideas out there and explore things and And you know, it's just the old story

01:35:26

I think of the prodigal son the the prodigal comes back in some ways. It's much easier

01:35:32

I mean, it's a difficult thing for that person to be humble enough come to their senses and make their journey back but for the older brother

01:35:39

And a lot of these statistics I think are kind of older brother statistics really Well, thank you grady in ashborough, north carolina.

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Yeah, so, you know in this book i'm looking at how the bible as a whole encourages us to promote

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God as it were to center our lives upon god And if you look in the old testament scriptures, you come across some very brave people there and you know

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I mentioned earlier in the program, uh, joshua who's told By god to be strong and courageous do not be frightened.

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Do not be afraid For the lord your god be with you wherever you go and joshua is a good one good example of this centering your life upon Uh god, and of course the prophetic word let him who boasts boast in the lord and you see that that um raising the flag that building the altar that Um pilgrim journey that is, you know, the book of hebrews puts it they're looking for a city that they that is

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Not that not the earthly city that confidence in god among the godly, uh people in the old testament

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Um that we know is fulfilled in christ in the cross. Do you see that same? um committed brave faith, uh

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Predominantly work in the old testament as well Um You uh also have uh, some ancient stories, uh about boasting that you include including jonah esther and hannah

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Yeah, well look at this the narrative stories there in terms of you know, how um

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Esther I mean what a what a story of of course famously that the name god doesn't appear in the book of esther

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But what a story of of bravery of uh, you know for such a time as this

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That she was put there by god's providence and his sovereignty and um, you know, what a word to You know someone who perhaps wonders

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What their why they are where they've been put what could be their possible purpose of this situation?

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It could be that the reason why god has put you there is so you could be bold for the gospel

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You can be brave for the gospel. You can stand up And you know for what is right and true and godly in the situation even if it's not one that you would have picked

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And she she didn't want to do that But she she was put there by god and for such a time as this she became a vehicle for god's

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Uh rescue of his people in those days. So yeah, absolutely the stories Uh of uh of the old testament as well.

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Now, what do you mean by the psychology of boasting? Yes, I I try and get into the you know, the word psychology, you know, i'm just using in terms of the soul the psyche um, not getting into some freudian or jungian psychology, but just talking about the soul the psyche and um, you know when we um

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Follow god by faith Um, he you know comes into our into our lives by his holy spirit

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Gives us a new set of what was called affections for him and a new set of desires for him and that um,

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Leads us then to be the sort of people who live with uh with bravery for him

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And so we have the sense of assurance uh, the the fruit of the spirit love joy peace all this this

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The internal life of the christian that is now because it's now centered upon god now increasingly

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Is shaped after the the beautiful soul that we we desire to have in relation with god and and And in and as we walk through this world

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Why is it uh that Romans chapter 5 verse 2 is such a key text regarding this subject

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Well, you know, uh paul there he's arguing about the gospel says we rejoice in the hope of the glory of god and romans 5 1 to 11 is a

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Celebration of what the gospel Has has done so you get this, you know, the the first part of romans

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Uh, you know end of romans 3 describes the gospel Well now there's boasting now is excluded because it's all by grace and then chapter 4

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He describes how in the life of abraham and a little bit in david how this how this gospel worked out

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So he's and then in chapter 5 he he comes to assurances I am so I can be so confident in my relationship with god because what god has done that I can actually

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Stand I am standing in the in the in the palace with the king. I'm not i'm no longer

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Embarrassed i'm no longer shy about my relation god i'm in the very throne room of the king

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I've got i've got the i've got new set of clothes on me I'm no longer wearing the the ragged old immoral beggar's clothes.

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I'm i'm in the palace. I'm not hiding in a corner I'm standing in the throne room with him not not arrogantly among himself

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But boasting in the hope of the glory of god through jesus christ and and that's how christians are to live and um

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Not not in ourselves in any way whatsoever, but in what god has done Therefore we can live with great confidence and bravery and it's my hope that as people read this book

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They will have that Experience of the gospel and therefore live with confidence

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On account of what christ has done in their lives We have rj in white plains, new york who says in luke chapter 18

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We have the classic story About the pharisee and the tax collector both praying in the temple

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And christ has some harsh words About the pharisee who was boasting about himself and thanking god that he was not like the tax collector who was also praying and the tax collector

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Just said god be merciful to me a sinner and jesus said that the tax collector was the one who was saved

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Even though there was arrogance involved in the pharisee's prayer and he considered himself to be superior

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To the tax collector. Is it not correct to pray to god in thanksgiving that we have been spared from being

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Sinful in other ways that others are very much involved in yeah, well for sure and there's lots of lots there, but one of the interesting things about the

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Pharisee's prayer is he hardly he hardly talks about god at all. It's all about himself Right. He's hardly praying.

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He's really just sort of saying hey, by the way god aren't I great? you know, it's not it's not even prayer really and um

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And yet, uh the tax collector where he's praying and of course on the other side of that prayer of repentance

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There's great rejoicing. So the the the tax collector is you know, because of faith is not thank you god

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Thank you so much. And and all all the the praises of the psalms that of of The the the doxologies in the new testament.

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Absolutely We are people of joy because of what's god's god's done Of course that they they kind of what

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I call the negative boasting of that tax collector Which is boasting yourself There's no joy in that because you know

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You're not really who you're pretending to be but now you'll be able to be honest about who you are And repent of those sins and then you and and god has mercy on you

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And then at the other side of that prodigal coming home, there's a party there's celebration. There's joy

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So absolutely. Yeah, we we boast in the hope of the glory of god. And finally, what is the future of boasting?

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What is the future of boasting? Yeah, I just talk about there, you know There's a chapter in the in the book there where I talk about how if if we live like this, you know

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If we're more evangelistic if we're more, um active in our faith, then there's a then there's a huge impact

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It can have in our lives as individuals and our life as a church on the on the on the impact on the kingdom

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We'll be sending out more missionaries. Let's you know people god Let's be brave for the gospel and let's and let's in that sense boast in in christ

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Well, if you could just summarize in about a minute or so What you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today regarding our subject on boasting?

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Yeah, I think you know, um So Boasting if we boast right we live right and bear much fruit to god's honor

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And if that's true as i'm contending it is if that's true then let us in both hands grasp hold of the gospel and live with passion and Commitment to that gospel in our daily lives at work at home in the church

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I want to thank you so much pastor josh for being our guest today And I want to thank everybody who listened today

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Especially those who took the time to write in questions And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that jesus christ is a far greater savior