Myths Christians Are Tempted To Believe (part 2)

Well, tonight we're continuing our series, Dispelling Christian Myths. I've been in First Thessalonians at night, but since I've come back from California, I thought we'd do some Christian Mythbusters.

I've never seen the show Mythbusters on Discovery Channel. Is it any good? Oh, it is very good? Okay. Some people admit that they watch heathen TV. Other, I only watch Christian programming myself. I have to divide on that later according to Romans 14.

So tonight, we're going to look at some more myths. Last week, I asked you about some of the myths that were out there that Christians could be tempted to believe. And instead of asking you again tonight, I'll just continue with my list of myths.

And I think you'll find it encouraging tonight because it'll be fast-paced. If you don't like one of the myths, we'll be on to one of the other ones quick enough, it'll kind of go like a Q &A. I will ask some questions.

And when I ask questions, if you'll give me some feedback, I would appreciate it. So, Christians are often tempted to believe these. And so, we'll use what we need to use to dispel those myths. And that is not my opinion, not what the elder board thinks, not what confessions of faith say.

Those are good things, I hope, for the most part. But what does the word of God say? What does God's word say? Christian myth, at least tonight, for number one. Number one tonight, Christian myth, faith precedes regeneration.

Most Christians believe that faith precedes or comes before regeneration. Who could tell me why you think that's a myth? Or frankly, if you want to say why you think it's true, I'd be glad to listen and talk about it.

Faith precedes regeneration. Why is that a myth, Steve? Okay. So, if you're... I'll try to repeat. If I forget to repeat, please say something because this week, someone emailed me and said, please repeat the questions.

So, if you're dead in trespasses and sins, according to Colossians chapter 2 and Ephesians chapter 2, 1 through 3, then how can a dead man believe? So, you have to be alive first so you can exercise any kind of faith or regeneration or something like that.

Good. Any other comments before we look up some verses? Yes. Okay. So, God does grant faith. He grants repentance. By grace, they believed. Okay, good. Barry? I'm so happy to pastor Bethlehem Bible Church.

Have you ever been to an IBS class at all, Institute for Biblical Studies, or study church history? What Barry said for the sake of the tape, I guess we can call them tapes, can't we? That's what I call them, a tape.

What's an eight-track? A tape. For the sake of the tape, there's just something in man, isn't there? Something in men and women that we want to have credit. We want to say to God, we helped you. We did it.

We did something to contribute to our salvation. We weren't just completely recipients. We weren't just passive in regeneration. We helped. It's okay if God gets 99 of the glory, but we want to have maybe 1%.

Before we look at the verse tonight for this myth, or to dispel this myth, Kim and I and the kids went camping in Yosemite, I guess it's about a month ago. And I had never been to Yosemite before, and I knew there were bears in Yosemite, lots of bears, bear signs, don't speed, you might kill a bear.

There's a hierarchy there. There's an ecosystem. There's a hermeneutic, and that is bears rule around here. And bears pretty much are almost more important than people because we've got to love nature and love the habitat and all that.

So we were told at night, we had a tent, we were told to put all our food and things that look like food in the anti-bear deal. And you didn't have to put it up over a tree. They have these things, it's like a safety deposit box, and bears can't pick these locks, and you put everything in there.

And you couldn't leave anything in your car, a thing of tide, they think it's bear food. You couldn't have anything in your tent. So I had a backpack, and I usually carry protein bars with me. That couldn't be there.

And they said, some bears will even get into your tent if you have cherry chapstick in your tent with you. And I just thought, you know what, I don't really need any bears in the tent. And so they said, now in the middle of the night, because there's a lot of bears around here, if you hear a gunshot, they're trying to scare the bears.

And so sure enough, in the middle of the night, by the way, I put in earplugs and didn't hear any of this. Too bad, because it would have been a good sermon illustration. But I knew people get up at 4 o 'clock when they camp, so in went the earplugs.

But allegedly, at 3 AM, people heard the gunshot. And at 3 .15, they yelled, bear, bear, bear. And it walked right through our campground. I talked to the guy the next day, and I said, do bears come around often?

They said, oh yeah, every night. Blue 62 comes walking through here every night looking for stuff. And I go, Blue 62? It was like a zombie song or something back in the 60s. I didn't know what Blue 62 was.

Blue tag number 62 every single night walks through here, sniffing out whatever it can find. It's not a grizzly bear, so it's not trying to kill people. It wants food, and it wants to sniff it out. And you know what I like about the doctrine of grace and the Bible?

Paul, the apostle, Peter, and others, they sniff out by the spirits prompting any little inkling of human works that add to the cross. It's unacceptable for them. Nothing plus the cross equals salvation.

It's the cross alone. I want you to turn your Bibles to 1 John chapter 5. I could take you to Ephesians 2, he made us alive. I could take you to you must be born again, John chapter 3. I could take you to Colossians 2, Ephesians 2, being made alive.

But let's go to this passage that not many go to when they want to teach that logically, regeneration must precede faith. We have to be born again to exercise any kind of faith. We at this church believe in monergistic regeneration, mono alone, mono erg, mono alone God works, and he makes us born again.

And of course, the response is faith, and repentance, and love, and praise. But logically, faith must come after regeneration. How about 1 John chapter 5 verse 1? Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ, we know something about that person, has been born of God.

And everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. Let me read that again. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been, if you want me to read it interpretively, has already been born of God.

So you're born of God, he changes your nature, he gives you a new desire to love him, and to follow him, and to be impressed with the Son. You're born again, and your response is faith. Faith does not precede regeneration, it's the other way around.

Now, if you're smart, you'll be saying this to me. Well, Pastor Mike, faith and regeneration, which one comes first? If, Mike, what you're saying is true logically, I understand it. But what about chronologically?

Could you have somebody who's born again that doesn't believe yet? Because if faith comes second, is there a time? What do you do with that? How does it work when you're first born again, then you believe?

Is there a split second where you're born again on believer? Follow me? The answer is, we're looking at this logically where you have to be born again so you can respond, and you will respond immediately with faith.

Turn to 1 Peter 1, please, as we continue to just flesh this out a little bit. We live in a works righteousness society. Church history, as Barry has said, has taught us that very thing. All kinds of isms and schisms have tried to somehow say it's grace plus.

But here we see, even when it comes to the doctrine of being born, why do you think God used even that idea, that metaphor, that picture of salvation? Who here has been in labor and delivery and seen a live birth?

Well, all the mothers just raised their hand. There's a lot of drapes maybe you didn't see. Babies are born, and we get that idea, and Jesus gave us the idea, because it's something that is done to them.

Passivity in regeneration. They are being born. They are not burying themselves. I ask you the question, active or passive, when did you bury yourself? Doesn't that sound weird? Well, I bore myself in 1960.

When did you bury yourself? No, I was born. It happened to me, and that's exactly what Peter says here in 1 Peter 1, verse 3. Blessed be God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is just like Ephesians where in the original, it's just this big long sentence, and it's a eulogy.

It's to speak well of God. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to his great mercy, and don't ever forget this part here, he has caused us to be born again. You should just stop and let that sink in.

Why are you born again? He caused it. He made it happen. He is the actor. We are the recipients. He is active. We are passive. Born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead to inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you who by God's power are being guarded not because of faith, but through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Common myth in Christianity is faith comes first. I now believe. Now God is able and allowed and now has my permission to save me, and it's exactly the other way around. And when God gives you a new heart, you say what?

I love you. I believe. I repent. I follow. Number two. I looked around. It doesn't look like anybody had a comment, so I'm going to go. Number two. Oh, this is one of my favorite all-time topics in the world.

So let's see if I can phrase this as a myth. My problem is I don't run things past Mr. Cooley because when I do, he phrases them well, and when I don't, you get what I do every Sunday. The myth is that the temptation of Jesus primarily helps us when we're tempted.

The primary teaching of the temptation of Jesus is that it helps us in our temptations. Let's go to Matthew 4 and find out that is an illusion. That is an illusion. Of course, secondarily, can we see that Jesus uses the word of God in his temptation?

Of course, and we'll talk about that in a second, Matthew 4. The temptation of Jesus is primarily about the temptation of Jesus. Adam tempted, failed. Israel tempted, failed. We tempted, failed. Will anybody not fail a temptation?

Is there anybody who can stand up to the world, and the flesh, and sin, and Satan, and not fail a temptation? And when you pray, Lord, lead me not into temptation, that sound like a familiar prayer to you, a disciple's prayer?

Lead me not into temptation. And you read this, it's the exact opposite because Jesus is led into temptation. Take a look at it, Matthew 4. Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

When we see temptation, here's what we're supposed to do. Run! Flee! Get out! Get away! Wide berth! And when Jesus has this coming temptations that we will never face, he goes. He's the aggressor. He's not some victim.

We say, lead us not into temptation. And immediately after the baptism of Jesus, and Jesus is inaugurated into public ministry, see it in chapter 3, verse 16. And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him.

He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, probably sacrificial language, and coming to rest on him. And behold, a voice from heaven said, This is my beloved Son with whom I am well pleased. Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit.

I'll just read part of this passage here, and look at these temptations, and see if you see any themes, or see if you see things that you would learn from this, or do you see Jesus the one who is tempted by the worst things?

Many of these things, Israel failed, and now he is successful. After fasting 40 days and 40 nights, he was hungry. I mean, right there that should tell you as well. Secondly, besides lead us not into temptation, and now Jesus is led into temptation.

Secondly, if you're ever tempted, I have some advice for you, and that is don't stop eating for 40 days. I have a big decision to make, and I think, you know, what should I do? I'll get some encouragement from other Christians, and some counsel from a multitude of counselors, and I just won't eat for a long time.

That will help my decision-making process. Forty days and 40 nights. Understatement, he was hungry. And the tempter came and said to him, if you are the Son of God, the language is you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.

But he answered, it is written, man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God. Is it good that he used Deuteronomy? Of course. Should we use the word of God when we're tempted?

Of course, but that's missing the passage, if you only look at that, if you think that's the main thing. Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of a temple. That's something we're never going to get tempted by.

And he said to him, if you're the Son of God, throw yourself down. It's written, he will command his angels concerning you, and on their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.

Jesus said to him again, it is written, you shall not put the Lord your God to the test. Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.

And he said to him, all these I will give you if you will fall down and worship me. Jesus said to him, be gone, Satan. For it is written, you shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only shall you serve.

Then the devil left him, and behold, angels came and were ministering to him. When we read the Scriptures, too often we see it with our own eyes, and we say, I just need some principles for living. Jesus is tempted, I'm tempted, what can I learn from that?

And you can learn, of course, he uses the Word of God, but the big picture is, Jesus didn't fail in the temptation. We have the last Adam who succeeds. The first Adam falls, Jesus doesn't. Myth number three.

See, so far, aren't you having fun? I'm having a great time. Let's talk about the Lord Jesus. How about that? When I went to the wedding on Friday night, and Pastor Harry was officiating, he was up in the big pulpit, and it was, at least by denomination, it's a liberal church.

And I just thought, it is so good to hear somebody stand up in the pulpit of this church and bellow out, you're a great sinner, but there's a greater Savior, Jesus Christ. When was the last time that came from such a pulpit?

The extolling of Christ Jesus, the only Savior. Number three. Real worship starts with the emotions. Myth number three. Real worship starts with the emotions. Or for some, it starts with a bass drum or bass guitar.

You can really feel the Spirit moving, and it was really a guitar. Tell me why real worship starts with the emotions is popular today. Why is it a myth? Why is it wrong? Talk to me. Somebody first that hasn't already given us like four points alliteration and descending order with docetism and sinnianism.

Yes. Okay. One of the things is we can't trust our hearts, and so if we can't trust our hearts, that can't be then the driver or the catalyst or the initiative for my worship because there are days that I feel dry.

There are days I don't feel like worshiping. I think about it in terms of my wife as well. Some days I feel married and some days I don't, but I'm still married, and I need to live in light of something else, not just my feelings.

Okay? Good. What else? Yes. Okay. Theology leads to methodology, leads to doxology, and so if you want to have the right feelings, it starts elsewhere. Right? What happens in Romans chapter 12 verses 1 and 2 that we saw a few weeks ago?

It's your spiritual, our reasonable, our logical form of worship to say, God, in light of the mercies found in Romans chapter 1 to 11, I present myself to you a what? Living sacrifice. Don't you love weddings when people are up there and you give them all the vows?

You give them all the vows. Right, Pradeep? And boy, these today are vows because it's husbands love your wives and wives submit to your husbands. Wow. And so I love to give these vows, and one of the things I like is when the couple responds individually and they say what?

I do. That is Romans chapter 12 verses 1 and 2. Now, I guess the spouse could say up here, you know, do you promise to have and to hold, to stay forth, love and sickness, goodness and health. I guess they could say, I surrender.

I yield. But I like it when they say I do, and that's the force of Romans chapter 12. I do. And it's the right kind of thing for thinking. But one of the places that I love to go is Luke chapter 24. Let's turn there.

Real worship, in this particular case, starts with Jesus opening up the Scriptures and then the hearts burn. You want a burning heart? It's related to who God is, just like Nyada said. It's who God is, what He's done, and you study it, and then your hearts burn.

You could say, God, give me a heart that burns for You. How do you then get that to happen? Are you slain in the Spirit or some shortcut, some worship experience? Let's just jump in at verse 28 of Luke chapter 24.

We could start up in verse 13. Oh, let's just do it. It's such a wonderful passage. Luke 24 verse 13. That very day, two of them, of course the resurrection has already happened, were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem.

And they were talking with each other about all these things that had happened. While they were talking and discussing, Jesus Himself drew near and went with them. But their eyes were kept from recognizing Him.

And He said to them, What is this conversation that you are holding with each other as you walk? They stood still looking sad. Then one of them, named Cleopas, answered Him, Are you the only visitor in Jerusalem, or to Jerusalem, who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?

And He said to them, What things? And they said to Him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, a man who was a prophet, mighty indeed, and word before God and all the people, and how our chief priest and rulers delivered Him up to be condemned to death and crucified Him.

But we had hoped that He was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened. Moreover, some of the women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning.

And when they did not find His body, they came back saying that they had seen even a vision of angels who said He was alive. Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but Him they did not see.

Verse 25,. And He said to them, O foolish ones, slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken. Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into His glory? And beginning with Moses and all the prophets, He interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

So they drew near to the village to which they were going. He acted as if He was going farther. But they urged Him strongly saying, Stay with us for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent. So He went in to stay with them.

When He was at table with them, He took the bread and blessed it and broke it and gave it to them. And their eyes were opened and they recognized Him and He vanished from their sight. They said to each other, Did not our hearts burn within us while He talked to us on the road, while He opened to us the Scriptures?

And they rose that same hour and returned to Jerusalem and they found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together saying, The Lord has risen indeed and has appeared to Simon. Then they told what had happened on the road and how He was known to them in the breaking of bread.

Friends, if you want a heart, emotional feeling, I don't mind that at all, but it's just directly connected to who God is in your mind. I don't want to be robotic. I want to have all kinds of emotions.

Do you like emotions? I hope you do. But they're all tied to who God is in His Scriptures. All right. I have quite a few more. Let's just keep going.

All right. How am I going to phrase this? I should have sent this to Steve.

Let's see. The doctrine of free will has no implications on eternal security. That's the myth that Christians believe. They don't say it, but they have to believe it. The doctrine of free will has no implication on eternal security.

The doctrine of free will has implication on eternal security. What is the implication of free will on eternal security? If you believe in eternal security, you cannot believe in the ultimate freedom of the will.

Because if God saves you and you still have the ultimate free will, then you aren't going to make it to the end unless you want to make it to the end. Free will, if you really believe in the doctrine of free will, now we'll parse this out in a second, you can't even believe in the security of heaven.

Because guess what in heaven? There's no free will in heaven. For some people, free will is such an idol. If you can't have free will on this earth, then who would want heaven if there's no free will in heaven?

Can you imagine? No free will in heaven. Will it still be heaven to you? Now we better ask the question, what is free will? So I don't have conversations after the service like I had conversations after this morning's service.

I thought it was a fine sermon. I didn't know it was worthy of a certain kind of response. So, the will. We believe when Adam sinned, that Adam fell completely. And the fall of Adam affected not just Eve, because of Adam's federal headship, not just the creation, because of Adam's federal headship, but it affected Adam, and it affected him completely.

It affected his mind. He's got a fallen mind now. It affected his emotions. And it affected his what? Will. Now, if you say to me, let's talk about an unbeliever for a second, then we'll look at some scripture.

Unbelievers have free will. I will say to you, what do you mean by free will? Because the word free will today, it's really not too good. If you say, freedom of the will means you can choose anything your nature allows you to choose.

Will I like that now definition? Will I like that definition now? I changed my word order like the Greek to make certain words more emphatic. I have a nature as an unbeliever, and that nature is unbelieving, dead, slave to sin, etc.

And I can freely choose all kinds of things to do by my own free will that's tied to my nature. But I could never as an unbeliever freely choose to worship God on my own. Why? Well, let's look up a few verses.

And you know these verses, but I'm just trying to get you to think out loud because I have so many friends who are Chalminian, and they believe in eternal security. Okay, call it preservation by God. Call it perseverance of the saints.

They believe in eternal security. They're one-point Chalminians. Eternal security. But they will fight you like a bear in Yosemite for the freedom of the will. And I'm trying to tell them, you can't have both.

Because if your will is free, and you're a Christian, well, you've got to make decisions all the way to the end. And if you freely say kind of à la Rob Bell, we've got trouble. So 2 Timothy 2. I don't believe we're robots.

I believe we're clay. I don't believe God forces us to love Him. He changes our hearts, and we freely love Him. I just want you to realize that unbelievers are slaves. They're not free. So to whom are they in slavery to?

Well, found in 2 Timothy 2, verse 24. And if you disagree with me tonight, and you want to talk with me afterwards, I'll try to do what this passage says. The Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome, but kind to everyone, able to teach.

Now when it's for opponents, it wouldn't be you tonight if you talked to me, but now we're thinking about real opponents, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.

And they may come to their senses, this is an unbeliever, and escape from the snare of the devil after being captured by him to do his will. Just how free is an unbeliever who is a pawn of Satan? Unbelievers do what Satan wants.

They're slaves to Satan. They do his will. How free can that be? True or false? Unbelievers are slaves to their own indwelling sin. I thought this was a pretty good congregation, but I guess Barry just got up, so Barry would say, yes, slaves to sin, Romans 6.

People have a nature, and if that nature is an unbelieving nature, they're free to make all kinds of decisions on their own, but they're not free because they don't have the ability to say, I now will believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

You say, well, how do I work through the issue of free will if I'm struggling with it? And what you need to work through is the doctrine of depravity, or total inability, spiritual inability. I have no ability to say yes to God.

That's why I need Calvary. That's why I need the Calvary to come. I need to be saved because left to myself, I will freely and always, as an unbeliever, never choose God. So I want my eternal security friends to realize that if you believe in eternal security, you can't believe in free will because God keeps us to the end.

By the way, if you could lose your salvation, would you lose it? I've been a Christian now since 1989. I would have lost mine 1989. I would have lost my salvation. But Christ can't lose a Christian, not one.

Okay, let's see. What else do I have here? Okay, next. Christian misconceptions. What number is this? This one might take the rest of the time because it's on my mind. Myth? What did you say it was? Four?

Five, okay. Okay, good. Five. You can make Christianity cool. That's a myth. You can make Christianity cool. Now, being in California for the summer, I've been around a lot of youth groups and they want to try to do that.

I remember when I first got saved, and I was in Burbank, California, and I had a home Bible study. And here's the home Bible study. Me as the teacher. That was the first bad thing. My wife because she was forced.

And one other couple. I don't think they'll be listening, so I'll tell you their names. Grady and Carolyn. And we just pooled ignorance. And we just sat and talked. And Grady said to me one day, you know, he really liked James Dean.

He was older than I was, and I don't know if he was around when James Dean was around. I think so. And he liked the kind of biker deal. He liked the leather jackets and kind of the white t-shirt rolled up and you could put some camels there or something there, you know.

No filters. Do Christians divide on cigarettes being filtered or unfiltered? I don't know, but probably. And he said, you know, I like James Dean and he's cool. I mean, I think James Dean was, in terms of the persona on the big screen, okay, cool.

And he goes, rebel without a cause. Jesus was the rebel with a cause. And so as we like to look up to rebels, Jesus was the ultimate kind of cool rebel. How do you make Christianity cool? Christianity isn't cool.

I've got news for you. If you're a young person and you are going to public school or you're going to go to college or something like that, you're going to move away. People are going to think that you're wacky.

People are going to think you're crazy. People are going to think that you're an idiot. People are going to think you're foolish. Now, do your best, of course, to disavow them of these kind of notions and be kind and all these kind of things.

But at the end of the day, you believe that? How can you make, well, I guess we switch the sanctuary around, a piece of something that you execute people on cool. I've got to make this cool. Well, if you want to make things cool, Christianity isn't for you.

Maybe Hinduism is or something else, but why don't you turn to 1 Corinthians 1. I'm not going to re-preach through Corinthians, but like Romans 1 to me, it solves almost all theological questions. Steve Nelson and I have this thing where if somebody ever asks you a question, theologically, and you don't know what to do, just say Romans 1 because you're going to get the answer right.

So Romans 1, that solves it. 1 Corinthians 1, I often go back as well because it solves so many theological conundrums. Baptismal regeneration. 1 Corinthians 1 slays it. Does God need cool people for the kingdom?

That would be another myth. It's slayed by 1 Corinthians 1. But it also reminds me about really what the cross is and how I need to preach the cross for what it is. And no matter how much I get out the block plane and try to plane the rough corners of the gospel, they still exist.

1 Corinthians 1 .18. For the word of the cross, that is a packed theological word. If you're a computer guru, I was going to say computer geek, but if you're a computer guru, that's like a zip drive full of all kinds of stuff.

And you just double click on that and it just unzips with all kinds of messages about the cross. This is not just a piece of wood. This is a theological word. It's shorthand for substitutionary atonement, penal substitution.

Jesus dying on our behalf. The wrath of God poured out on the Son, the innocent Son. The word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing. I mean, to me, if you think about it for long enough, I'll tell you what the cross is for me.

The old rugged cross. It's kind of a thing I sing about. It could be sentimental. I love the cross. There's nothing wrong with singing the old rugged cross, especially if you love George Beverly Shea.

I mean, it is more sentimental than other songs, but we think of crosses on stained glass windows, or maybe you have a little gold charm on your neck, a cross. But to an unbeliever, the cross was repugnant back in those days.

Look at the text. It is folly to those who are perishing. Of course, to us who are being saved, we've been saved, we are being saved, we will be saved. Justification, sanctification, glorification. It is the power of God.

Yes, to us, it's wonderful. To us, there's emotional attachment, theological attachment. We know it's the power of God. But to unbelievers, it's moria. Moria. Where we get the word what? Moronic. It's stupid.

It's nonsensical. There's God's wisdom for you. Jesus, the Son, dying on a cross. Very, very interesting. The word moros, or foolish, occurs in Paul's letters only in chapters 1, 3, and 4 of 1 Corinthians.

But 36 times it's in the Greek version of the Old Testament, what we call the Septuagint. And in those 36 times, it's used, quote, where the fool is skewered for being oblivious to self-destructive behavior.

Quote, where the fool is skewered for being oblivious to self-destructive behavior. I mean, if you saw the cross back in those days... Some things like this happen in Santa Cruz. I need to say to the kids, I mean, this is hard to do because it's like, don't touch wet paint.

But you'll see something going on in Santa Cruz downtown, and you'll go, kids, I don't want you to look. Nobody look over there. I mean, if I was a kid, I'd want to look so bad. Just not say anything, and they're probably just looking around.

Look at the moon over there, kids. Really bad things that were happening. If you were in the time of the cross, and you saw a crucifixion, not even Jesus's, but Jesus's as well, you would say, don't look.

Hide the eyes of the children. This is embarrassing. This is reprehensible. This is shameful. You kill slaves and miscreants on this thing. No wonder there's graffiti in Rome that shows a worshipper standing before a crucified figure with the body of a man and the head of a jackass.