July 28, 2017 Show with Scott Bashoor on “The Book of Romans: When and Why Did Paul Write It?”

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And the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth, listening via live streaming on ironsharpensironradio .com. This is Chris Arnsen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron, wishing you all a happy Friday on this very, very rainy July 28th here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, July 28th, 2017, and I am delighted to have for the very first time on Iron Sharpens Iron, Scott Bashor.

Scott Bashor became pastor of Bible Church of Buena Park, California in 1999. He was raised in a godly Baptist pastor's home near Washington, D .C. He graduated from Bob Jones University with a bachelor's degree in Bible and then went to receive a Master of Divinity degree and a Master of Theology degree from the Master's Seminary, the seminary founded by one of my modern-day heroes, John MacArthur, who I've had on this program and hope to have back on the program.

Before coming to the Bible Church of Buena Park, California, Pastor Scott served as a camp chaplain, a pulpit supply and event speaker, and an interim pastor. Since 2002, he has also served as a faculty associate at the Master's Seminary, where he teaches courses in Hebrew, Aramaic, Old and New Testament studies, and other select courses.

He has published several articles on preaching and pastoral ministry, and he is a contributor to the Lexham Bible Dictionary. He's the author of a new book, Visual Online Charts of the New Testament, which is a digital publication by Broadman and Holman Academic, and he is also, uh, he and his wife, Heidi, who is a self, was self-employed as a decorative artist, both live in La Mirada with their children, and we are honored and privileged to welcome you for the very first time to Iron Sharpens Iron to discuss the Book of Romans, when and why did.

Paul write it. Pastor Scott Bashor. Chris, wonderful to have you. I mean, for you to have me, thank you. It's an honor to be here. Well, it's my pleasure, brother, and in studio is another.

Fellow graduate of Bob Jones University, uh, Reverend Buzz Taylor. And hello, good to have.

You here. Hello, good to speak with you. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question.

For our guest, Scott Bashor, on the Book of Romans, when and why did Paul write it, or anything related to that, perhaps you are already familiar with his digital work, uh, visual outline charts of the New Testament.

Uh, well, you can ask a question about that broader issue as well. Uh, but, uh, before, uh, before I go into our discussion, I'd like to give out our email address. It's chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com, and please give us your first name, at least your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

Before I go into any of the heart of the matter in regard to our topic, I'd like you to, as I always do, or at least I typically do, when I have a new guest, a first-time guest, I'd like to get a summary of that person's testimony of salvation, what, uh, what the, uh, religious upbringing you had was like, and as I already mentioned in your brief bio, that you were raised in a godly home, uh, right near, uh, Washington, D .C.

Uh, your father was a Baptist pastor. Uh, but tell us something about how the Lord actually got a hold of your heart and His sovereignty and providentially drew you to Himself and saved you.

Yes, well, on Sunday night, um, the lake of Jerusalem...

Now, when you speak of, when you speak of the Billy Graham crisis, are you talking about when he made a decision, a conscious decision, to, uh, really involve mainline liberals in his crusades instead of the fundamentalists that were once a part of his circles of fellowship?

Exactly, yes, a cooperative evangelistic approach that he began taking around 1957.

They were actually faking the Southern accents, or they were, uh, unnecessarily a part of the movie, because that's the way they spoke.

I think that's good.

Okay.

If I might have done otherwise for my dads and my...

And what were the providential circumstances that led you to be convinced that the Lord had placed the call upon your heart to be an under-shepherd for His flock?

It began when I was young. Uh, I had a desire in my heart to preach. Now, some of that, I think, was just one imitation from others, uh, around the Mount McGrew.

And, uh, tell us something specifically about the Bible Church of Boynton Park, California, and how you were eventually led by God to, uh, pastor there.

This is a, it's, uh, I would say it's under a thousand. I have to be honest and say it's much, much...

Because ten is less than a thousand.

...on the campus.

Well, praise God for those 50 souls. And, uh, we had an interesting conversation yesterday with Pastor Bill Hill, uh, on the challenges of pastoring and belonging to a small church. And, uh, I, uh, if you haven't listened to that, I would, uh, recommend you listen to it on the archive at ironsharpensironradio .com, because it's already posted up there.

And as far as your belief in the doctrines of grace, uh, and having a, uh, theological understanding that would, uh, resonate or very much echo that of, uh, my modern day hero that I mentioned earlier, uh, John MacArthur, uh, how did that specifically come to develop in your life?

Uh, was that before, during, and after Bob Jones University? Because back in those days, I, I know, uh, that from its inception to rather recently, the university had a reputation for being somewhat anti-Calvinist, and I know that that is, uh, rapidly changing now, uh, to some degree or another, but if you could comment on that.

I came into hammering out, uh, in terms of my, because at the time was, uh, he's now at, uh...

Well, oh, in, in Grand Rapids, okay, because there is a Geneva Seminary in South Carolina that's run by the Free Presbyterians.

Uh, you know what, uh, the one in Grand Rapids is a Puritan thing.

Oh, okay, all right, yeah, that, uh, Joe Beakey, uh, founded that one. I've had him on the program many times.

Geneva Reformed is the name of the one, or Geneva is the one at BJU.

Um, yeah, that, that, that is an interesting love affair that BJU has had with the Free Presbyterian Church, and Ian Paisley, even though, uh, Paisley and that denomination is thoroughly Calvinistic.

Yes, especially in Bob Jones Jr., who was really a, a point Calvinist, or...

Well, uh, we have to hear, obviously, about this, uh, book that you have. It's only in digital form right now, uh, but visual outline charts of the New Testament, uh, what led you to develop this work, and tell us more about the details and the purpose of it.

I began teaching a series of surveys through the New Testament, and I was trying to pick up some, and to give, over time, I, Bob Jones, actually, was decided to enlarge the chart.

Well, I want to read, uh, a commendation, uh, for this work, uh, by John MacArthur. Uh, John MacArthur says about this book, Visual Outline Charts of the New Testament, It is my conviction that the Bible is not difficult for the believing heart to understand, and the more we understand, the, the more unshakeable our conviction that the Bible is the living, authoritative, inerrant Word of God.

The more I study it, the more I hunger to know. That is why I am, I am grateful for the efforts of Scott Bashor, and the fine work he has done in producing these outline charts. Their unique style and detailed content provide an excellent study tool for pastors and lay people alike.

They're an important resource, and it is my prayer that they will be used of the Lord to bless many. That's, uh, Dr. John MacArthur, president of the Master's Seminary, and of course, uh, the radio and television speaker for Grace to You Ministries, and, uh, world-renowned author and conference speaker and pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California.

Romans, the Reformation, and the Order of the New Testament

Uh, well, uh, I know that, uh, we are going to be addressing today the book of Romans, when and why did Paul write it? Uh, this is one of the pivotal books in regard to the Protestant Reformation. It was, uh, one of the, uh, areas of the New Testament that were key in the conversion of Martin Luther, and, uh, many who have made an exodus out of Rome, uh, before and after him, uh, and in fact, uh, uh, probably alongside, uh, the book of Galatians and Ephesians and the Gospel of John, probably the most, uh, frequently, uh, referred to books in the New Testament when a discussion or debate arises over the doctrines of sovereign grace, over the doctrines of election, uh, unconditional election, and of, uh, and of course, uh, justification by faith alone.

But, uh, tell us about this book, because I understand one of the reasons why you wanted to include in this discussion when Paul wrote the book. Uh, you, uh, are of the opinion, and I'm assuming this is a widely held opinion amongst biblical scholars, that the, the books that we find in the New Testament are not, uh, according to the chronical, chronological order that they were originally written.

And that would include, that would include debunks Paul's epistles.

That's right. It's not an inspired, uh, for instance, in, uh, arrangement of the letters is only about a millennium old. If you...

And, uh, let's see, we already have some listeners that are, uh, eager to have their questions asked and answered. And if anybody else would like to join them, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

And please give us your first name, at least, your city and state, and your country of residence. Obviously, if you have a personal and private matter that you want to ask a question about, let's say you, you disagree with your pastor on some theological issue in regard to our discussion, or you disagree with your spouse or whatever the reason is, or if it's about a, a particular, uh, biblical area that, uh, has an impact on your life that is regarding a personal and private matter that you would feel much more comfortable remaining anonymous, we will honor that request.

But if it's not about a personal and private matter, please give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence. We have Gordy in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who says, can you summarize the role of an amanuensis and why it appears that the book of Romans is the only one he used, meaning Paul, uh, or at least mentions an assistant?

Question, I'm not sure I'm prepared to answer that in the depth that would satisfy your, would imagine just having someone on hand to assist them, whether or not his amanuensis, I think is a very different matter, and I tend to be less open to those ideas.

But I'm certain you would agree that whatever wound up on that amanuensis' paper, uh, that was something God breathed.

Amanuensis, Paul, from the Spirit, I can give your listener.

And, uh, perhaps you could even, um, it might be helpful for our listeners to have some understanding of how the scriptures wound up from God's heart through Paul's mind to an amanuensis' pen to paper.

Uh, there are religions like the, uh, religion of Islam, if I'm not mistaken, the, uh, the way that they understand the Quran coming into being is that, uh, Muhammad was merely just, uh, like a stenographer, or he was just spitting out words directly, Allah was spitting out words directly through Muhammad and somebody was writing it for him, I believe that was the story that they have, or is the story.

But that is not what we believe, uh, the scriptures, we don't believe that that is the methodology God has used to bring us the scriptures, am I right?

That's right, yes, you know, there are some instances.

I heard a sermon recently, well I was preparing for a sermon of my own, I just recently preached, in fact last Sunday I preached at the Bethesda Mission, which is a homeless shelter for men, uh, who, many of whom are battling substance abuse and so on, and being a former, uh, abuser of alcohol to a very extreme and serious degree, and having been delivered from that, I have a very, a big place in my heart for ministries like that, and my church from time to time, the church where I'm a member, Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, asked me to preach at that mission, and, um, uh, in preparing for my own message on Matthew 22 verses 1 through 14, the parable of the marriage feast, uh, I was listening to Stephen Lawson's message on that very same, uh, text, and he said something very funny that kind of relates to what we're talking about.

He was like basically describing an overall summary of the, uh, of the passages in Matthew 22 from 1 to 13, about basically it being, uh, a summary of, uh, the history of redemption, where you have in the Old Testaments, the, uh, the Old Testament prophets being ignored and rejected and persecuted, uh, by the nation of Israel, and then you have in the New Covenant the same thing happening with, uh, the treatment of, uh, not only John the Baptist being beheaded, but Jesus Christ being crucified and his apostles being martyred, and then you have, you know, the story of the man being at the wedding feast with, without a wedding garment, uh, signifying somebody who was not clothed in the righteousness of Christ, but merely, uh, wearing his own righteousness, which is, uh, not, uh, not, uh, good enough for anyone to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

And then, then Stephen J. Lawson says, and then we come to verse 14, for many are called, but few are chosen. What is this, a footnote by A .W. Pink? He says, God has to throw that in there. But, uh, but, uh, that is, there is, I'm assuming, some realm of mystery that is involved in what exactly does it mean that God used the personality and minds of human authors to bring about, uh,.

His God-breathed truth on paper. Yes. You know, in our Bible, it's the same musician, human authors, each of these writers. In fact, let's pick up right where we left off there.

That's an important point. You don't have an epistle written unless there's a problem. And, uh, we have to go to a station break right now. So anybody else who would like to join us on the air with a question, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com, chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Questions on Amanuensis, the Quran, and How Scripture Was Written

And, uh, I believe, uh, uh, Scott, you have a methodology, uh, by which our listeners who submit questions can receive a special code by which they will get a free digital copy of your.

Book today. That's right. Yes. I can email out a redemption code and instructions where you can get your own copy of a visual outline charts. Now, will this be one code that you'll be sending to.

Me or are you going to be sending it individually to the listeners that win? Uh, whichever you prefer. I can do either. I guess it would be easiest for you to just send me one code and let all of my listeners that submit questions when the book.

Sure. Okay. Well, we're going to be right back. God willing, after these messages. So if you want to email us a question of your own, it's chrisarnson at gmail .com. C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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Romans 1, Atheism, and the Purpose of the Epistle

Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned in today, our guest today is Scott Bashoor, who is our guest for the full two hours with about 90 minutes to go. He is pastor of Bible Church of Buena Park, California and a faculty associate at the Master's Seminary, and he is also the author of Visual Outline Charts of the New Testament.

We are addressing the theme, The Book of Romans, When and Why Did Paul Write It? If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com. That's C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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I'd like to ask Scott what commentaries or other resources he finds helpful in the study of Romans.

Wow, I think there's almost more written on that book than just about any other one in the New Testament. Great job. Okay, well, thank you very much. Guess what, Andrew?

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And we need your full mailing address, by the way, for the Bible. So thank you very much for submitting that question. And we have Joe in Slovenia who has a question. Joe says, I've recently read two authors putting forth the claim that because Paul used Immanuensis, say that 10 times fast, having traveled or had traveling ministry partners who also wrote scripture, Luke and John Mark, and he names ministry partners who are with him in his greetings and salutations in his letters, the letters that we attribute to him are really collaborative efforts.

They postulate that because the Eastern mindset is more predisposed to group behavior than the Western mindset, we have failed to see that Paul's ministry team collaborated in a group effort to jointly produce the letter to the Romans.

What does Brother Scott think of this claim? Does internal and external evidence support or contradict this idea? Thank you, brothers, for edifying us today in the study of God's Word.

...technical matters of style and convinced Luke or Mark or someone who is teaching it has traveled around, so I think they are likely more to be influenced by him. In fact, I think that part of, at large, provide a kind of authentication for the ministry of Paul to explain that what Paul was doing and running around the empire, speaking to Gentiles, and by Gentiles, something ordained from ages past.

We tend to see it more the other way. Paul speaks uniquely gifted to the Gentiles, so I want to give him his due while recognizing that, you know, he grows in his understanding of God's revelation and the company of those who he's with, but I'd rather give him more his due than diverse credit.

Well, thank you, Joe, in Slovenia, and keep.

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So thank you very much for contributing such a great question all the way from Slovenia. Uh, let's see, we have another listener, and I have to enlarge this font of the listener because it's microscopic.

Let's see here, we have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York, and CJ says, how do you understand the book of Romans in Romans 9 that clearly seems to indicate to us who are Calvinists that God has a special people that he elects to himself unconditionally, and as opposed to those who are an opposition to Calvinism, who takes this view in regard to.

Nations? Well, I don't have such intention, or in contradiction with each other. Now, I'll show my cards and say that I'm a premillennialist, and I believe that God in his sovereignty is ordained to save, excuse me.

Yeah, in fact, I don't know how.

Someone who is an opponent to the doctrines of sovereign grace or Calvinism escapes the unique love of God over one as opposed to another. How on earth they think they escape it by making individuals not the focus of attention, but masses of humanity, you know, I mean, entire nations.

How does it make anybody feel better if God hates nations and loves other.

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Outline Charts of the New Testament that will be sent to you via email, God willing, by this evening. And, well, tell us more about the main focus that you believe the Apostle Paul had when.

He wrote the book of Romans or his letter to the church at Rome. Sure. Well, and how that had to happen about making visits to the Corinthians. No, he's not. Then, which had been predominantly Roman church, when you come back...

And I can't help but have them think in their minds if there was a pig on that spit. Boy, they smell a lot better, too. ...going around on the Greek peninsula. And Corinthian letters, he can't do that.

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This time around, this January, the theme of the G3 Conference will be Knowing God, a Biblical Understanding of Discipleship. On the 17th, the edition of the conference being held is exclusively a Spanish-speaking edition of the conference.

From the 18th through the 20th is the English-speaking edition of the G3 Conference featuring Stephen Lawson, Votie Balcombe, Phil Johnson, Keith Getty, H .B. Charles Jr., Tim Challies, Josh Bice, James White, Tom Askell, Anthony Mathenia, Michael Krueger, David Miller, Paul Tripp, Todd Friel, Derek Thomas, Martha Peace, and more.

If you would like to join me at the G3 Conference in Atlanta, Georgia, and I do intend to have an exhibitors booth there for Iron, Sharp, and Zion, as well as a few of the other conferences mentioned, go to g3conference .com, g3conference .com, and anytime you register or even contact these organizations to find out more about these events, please let them know that you heard about the events on Iron, Sharp, and Zion radio.

And of course, now I have to beg money from you because of the urging of my advertisers that are keeping Iron, Sharp, and Zion radio on the air. For years, anybody who has been listening to Iron, Sharp, and Zion radio from back in the old days in New York, you know that I went years without making a single public appeal for donations or advertising, but my current advertisers are really urging me to make these public appeals to further ensure that we will remain on the air.

If you love this program, if it's benefited you, if you listen to it every day, please consider going to ironsharpandzionradio .com, clicking on support, and then you will get an address where you can mail a check for any amount made payable to Iron, Sharp, and Zion radio.

Never, ever, ever take money out of your local giving to the church where you are a member, and hopefully you are a member of a Bible-believing church, and if you're not, you should prayerfully seek to rectify that situation immediately.