November 21, 2019 Show with Geoff Thomas on “Brownlow North: The All-Around Evangelist”

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Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Thursday on this 21st day of November 2019, and I am absolutely thrilled, and that's an understatement, because for the next two days, today and tomorrow, we have on the program

Jeff Thomas. Reverend Jeff Thomas is one of my favorite guests to interview, and he's also one of my favorite preachers and authors.

He, beginning in 1965, served for over 50 years as pastor of Alfred Place Baptist Church of Aberystwyth, Wales, and today, we are going to be discussing one of his latest books,

Brownlow North, The All -Around Evangelist, and then tomorrow, we're going to be discussing

How Can I Please God in Everything, another book that has been recently brought into print, both books published by Reformation Heritage Books, the wonderful publishing ministry founded by Dr.

Joel Beakey of Puritan Reform Theological Seminary. We're also going to be announcing Sermon Audio's The Foundations Conference, where our guest,

Reverend Jeff Thomas, will be on the speaking roster, but it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Reverend Jeff Thomas.

Hi, good to speak to you again, Chris. Oh, it is such a joy for me, and we very rarely have a guest on for two days in a row, and I'm so excited that we have you, of all people, on for two days in a row.

And you have something in your resume that very few pastors can say, that you were at a church, one single congregation, for over 50 years.

Before we go on to our subject at hand, why don't you tell our listeners about Alfred Place Baptist Church of Aberystwyth, Wales, and am

I pronouncing it correctly, because I think from the way that you instructed me years ago, Aberystwyth, I remember the way that you phonetically spelled it out or sounded it out,

I should say, and I think I've been pronouncing it correctly, haven't I? You're doing a great job.

Aberystwyth, I say, Aberystwyth, and then you got it. It's a lovely town. It's a resort.

It's a town of 20 ,000 people, 10 ,000 of whom are students. The first university in Wales was set up there, 1870 -ish, because it was halfway between the

North and the South, and the divisions that every country has between the North and the South, we have in Wales as well.

So the National Library and the first university was set up in this little seaside town, and it's bilingual.

We have a sister congregation in the Welsh language, and then my congregation was in the

English language. And I understand, if I am correct in my memory, that now that you have retired, your grandson is now pastoring there?

He is, and in the house where we raised the three daughters, he's moved into that house when

I left three years ago, and he is now raising three little boys there.

He's a wonderful fellow, and the congregation is growing, and it's drawing numbers of students along to it.

And his younger brother, he is also now in his last year at Aberystwyth University, and he is studying film, but he wants to work with InterVarsity next year, and he wants to be a child of the book as well.

Amen. Well, praise God for that. By the way, if anybody wants to investigate more about Alfred Place Baptist Church, if you happen to either live in Aberystwyth, Wales, or you're vacationing there, or you have family, friends, and loved ones near there, the website is alfredplacechurch .org

.uk. That's alfredplacechurch .org .uk, and hopefully

I'll remember to repeat that later on. Well, you know, instead of stealing the thunder from a person who has already submitted a question for you,

I'm going to read a question right away from a listener, because it really helps us set up the interview, a person who

I have actually interviewed on this program who is an author himself, Dewey Roberts, who is the pastor of Cornerstone Presbyterian Church in Destin, Florida.

In Destin. I know him very well, my dear friend. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Okay. Well, he asks, when you asked

Jeffrey how he became interested in writing a biography of Brownlow North, and what is

North's chief relevance to 21st century preachers? Well, that's very good, isn't it?

Fundamental questions like that. Well, I'd never heard of him until there was a reprint by the

Banner of Truth 60 years ago. The reprint was brought out in a very attractive paperback with a new typeface.

You know now how we have to do that, to make things helpful to the reader, and so I read it with delight.

And then there were two books. I once said to Ernest Riesinger, what was the first Banner of Truth book that you ever read?

And he said, oh, I read The Rich Man and Lazarus by Brownlow North, and that struck me.

I was very impressed and convicted by that book. And so the Banner brought out those sermons, which

Brownlow North preached in the great 1859 revival that went on the world, Wales, Scotland, but Ireland especially was affected.

And Brownlow North preached the thousands in the open air, the story of the rich man who went to hell and the poor beggar who was straight within Christ and he went to heaven.

And so I read those sermons and thought, well, that is what evangelistic preaching is like.

And so being introduced to this figure and finding his life so fascinating and admiring so much his character and personality and achievements, those are the ways,

Gary Roberts, those are the ways, if you are listening, and I'm sure you are, that I was introduced to this wonderful Presbyterian evangelist.

Well, thank you so much, Dewey. And since Jeff Thomas thinks so highly of you,

I'll also give your church a free plug here. If you live in Destin, Florida or plan to visit there or have family, friends, and loved ones there, their website is

CornerstonePCADestin .org, Cornerstone P -C -A for Presbyterian Church in America, Destin, D -E -S -T -I -N .org.

Thanks a lot, Dewey, and we look forward to not only having you return as a guest, but also we look forward to hearing from you with questions for other guests on Iron Trip and Zion Radio.

So this is actually the first time I am hearing about Brown Low North myself.

The subtitle is quite interesting. Can you explain exactly what you mean by the all -around evangelist?

Well, it's the means that he used for sharing the message of the good news of Jesus Christ with men and women.

He did so geographically by traveling around the

British Isles, visiting London and Wales and the Midlands and north of England and all parts of Scotland.

He did it by writing more and more. J .C .Ryle

called his essays tracts, and so, too, the same printer published

Brown Low North's sermons, calling them tracts. And he used literature, and he also then spoke in the open air and in buildings, went to universities to speak to the students.

And he was tireless in that work, but he was a human being of great attractiveness.

He would write his letters and correspond and help people during the morning, and then in the afternoon, then he would meet with his family, and he loved to play chess.

He would go fishing with the three surviving sons of his, and then he would read devotions in the evenings, and then he would be preaching.

So, all around, as a personality, as a vigorous promoter of the good news of Jesus Christ, he served the cause of the gospel very well.

Now, can you tell us, first of all, and if you said it, please forgive me if I missed it, but what era did

Brown Low North live in? And if you also could tell us, from the beginning, what kind of a religious atmosphere, if any, he was raised in, and any kind of providential circumstances you may be aware of, that the

Lord used to draw him to himself and save Brown Low North. Yes, I'd love to do that.

He was born in 1810, just a couple of years before some of the more famous Scotsmen like Robert Marion Bechene was born two years later,

Horatius Bonner, he was born the same year.

He was born in London. His father was a pastor, and Charles Augustus North, and his wife,

Brown Low North's mother, Rachel, they were born, he was born in Chelsea.

His grandfather, Brown Low North, was a bishop in the Church of England, and his grandfather's brother was the

Prime Minister under George III. He was Lord North. So this is an extraordinary, distinguished family, and he went to school in Eton, where now, of course,

William, who was following his father one day to become the

King of England, and his brother Harry, those two boys, they went to Eton as well, but he was not academically interested at all.

He was rebellious, and at 19, his father died, and he was sent to study at Corfu in a theological college, but he was wild -spirited and soon returned home.

He learned nothing and ignored the tutor that was sent to train him.

He enjoyed dancing, he enjoyed horse riding, he enjoyed the company of women, and one winter he proposed to no fewer than 19 girls, all of whom accepted his offer of marriage.

What happened was he went to Galway on the west coast of Ireland, and he lived quite a while there, and he met a preacher's daughter,

Grace Coffey, and at 18 years of age, he married her, and by the time he was 21, he had two sons to care for.

He had four sons, one of whom died in infancy, and he was very happily married.

She was a beautiful and godly girl, and they were inseparable, so there was never adultery in his life.

He had an income from a post that his grandfather, the Bishop of Winchester, created for him.

He was a registrar in the diocese, and he took that position quite seriously, but he wasn't serious in other things.

He had a salary, he couldn't keep up with his interest in horses and riding, and he became a gambler.

He lost much money. He had to escape to Beroin to get away from those demanding money and debts that he owed them, and it was fruitless as an escapade, and he enlisted in the

Portuguese army for a while, and that was another debacle, and at 25 he returned home.

His life was going nowhere. His family covered his debts, so he said,

I'll go to Scotland. I'll go to my brother's -in -law, and I'll shoot grouse, and he fell in love with Scotland, and there he remained for the rest of his life, virtually becoming a naturalized

Scot. What he did then, the next four years, he spent the summers shooting, and the winters in the large house in Aberdeen, he raced horses and won many of the races, and then in the summers, he walked across the moors of Scotland with his gun, and his motto was, every day and all day, and one season at Glenbucket, he shot 770 brace of grouse in six weeks.

250 grouse a week he shot. And then the emptiness of his life, it convicted him, and his conscience would trouble him, and the teaching of his mother, and her prayers, and her example, that couldn't be eradicated from his mind.

And he had Christian friends who prayed for his conversion. One day he spoke to a

Christian lady, the Duchess of Gordon, he said to her, what should a man do who's often prayed to God and never been answered?

And she looked straight back at him, and she said, he ask and receive not, because he ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

And those few words from the epistle of James had a mighty impact on him.

But then he would shake off that impact, and he would love to read, and then the call of shooting and fishing came over him.

But he went to Oxford, to Magdalene Hall in Oxford, and he studied there for several years, and thought weekly about becoming a vicar.

He was interviewed by the bishop, but he was casual and uncertain about his sense of call.

And the bishop finally said to him, if I were in your position, and you were in my position, would you ordain me?

I wouldn't, my lord. I wouldn't, he said. And so then back for another 10 years, fishing and hunting,

I never apprehended Christ, he said. I never accepted him as my sin bearer and my righteousness.

I was like a man who swept and garnished his house and drove out the demon who had lived but hadn't filled the house with the presence of the

Son of God. So that was his life, and he drifted back.

At 35 years of age, he was still walking the moors of Scotland around Inverness.

You know, for three years, he shot grouse in the summer, unloaded racehorses in the winter.

His children got married when he was 40, settled in a large house near Inverness, and there he continued without God.

He hated blasphemy. He couldn't stay in a room if a man was taking the name of Christ in vain.

He says, for 44 years of my life, my object was to pass time pleasantly.

As long as the day was spent agreeably, I was satisfied. I don't believe I ever did any real good to a human being.

I rented moors and fisheries. I shot. And then I would give an odd five shillings when a woman lost her cow, and I would give them a party at Christmas time.

That's all I did. And I thought I was living a good life, but his friends never stopped praying for him.

His aunt earnestly interceded for his salvation, and one day she heard a sermon on the text, let me die the death of the righteous.

And he came to her mind. So she scribbled down notes on the sermon, and she sent it to him, and he wrote back to her.

And he said, Dear Auntie, if you're going to die the death of the righteous, you must live the life of the righteous.

And I'm not prepared for that yet. And he continued like that till 1854, when he was 45 years of age, and then illness came upon him.

And he went to see his cousin Blackwell, who was a beautiful man, a minister, a preacher who spoke to him earnestly and convicted him of his sin and of his need of Christ.

And so in November 1854, he says this, Please God, in the month of November, one night when

I was sitting playing at cards to make me concerned about my soul, the instrument used was the sensation of sudden illness, which led me to think that I was going to die.

I said to my son, I'm a dead man. Take me upstairs. As soon as this was done, I threw myself down on the bed.

My first thought was now, what were my 44 years of following the devices of my own heart profiting?

In a few minutes, I shall be in hell. What good will all these things do me for which

I have sold my soul? And at that moment, I felt constrained to pray.

But it was nearly the prayer of a coward, a cry for mercy. I wasn't sorry for what

I'd done, but I was afraid of the punishment of my sin. And there was something trying to prevent me putting myself on my knees to call for mercy.

A maidservant came in to make the fire and light it. And although I didn't believe at that time,

I had 10 more minutes to live. And there was no hope for me but in the mercy of God.

And if I didn't seek that mercy, I couldn't expect to have it. Yet there was this woman there.

And I was waiting till she left the room, but she had no intention of leaving the room. Until she got the fire going.

And so by the grace of God, I knelt down before that girl.

It was a turning point in my life. I believe if I'd had that, at that time resisted the

Holy Ghost, I would have resisted him once too often.

But by God's grace, I was not prevented. I did pray. And though I am not what

I should be. I am not the man I was.

I mention this because I believe that every man has in his life a turning point. I believe that the sin against the

Holy Ghost is grieving the Spirit once too often. Wow.

So that was the time of his conversion. And the next day, he told the servant girl that God had heard his prayer.

He told his wife and children. He sat at his desk with pen and paper and wrote to everybody.

Friends, family. And told them all, I've become a Christian. He was quiet and gentle.

That evening at eight o 'clock, he joined the family in family worship. He himself read a portion of scripture, made a few comments on it.

No hysteria. He prayed then, finding in God his pardon and peace.

And during the months that followed, he was often in prayer. Stretch out on a rug with his mouth near the thin carpet, humbling himself before God.

Stopped smoking his cigars instantly. He was addicted to nicotine. Couldn't play billions again.

For months, he read nothing but the Bible. Not even the newspaper. The Crimean War was taking place.

He had no interest. The struggle, even greater than the Crimean War, was taking place in his own soul.

His friends couldn't believe it because they knew what a wild man he had been.

But he wrote in the margin of the Bible concerning Saul of Tarsus' conversion.

Doubted by the early church, he wrote these words. So it was. It was wrong no more. And no wonder.

And yet for all that, he does believe that the Lord has spoken to him.

To him be the gratitude and the glory. And then the words of Festus to Paul in Acts 26, that I believe you're mad.

And Bromwell wrote in the margin, Christians in all ages have been called mad.

But who was the most mad? Paul or King Festus? So he started to go to church and he started to travel and settle down in one congregation.

He had enormous fiery darts thrown to him in those early weeks.

He felt under great conviction and so unworthy and so afraid.

But he put his trust in Jesus and looked to Jesus again and found his comfort there in the

Savior. He said aloud to himself, you think by your reason or your deep thinking that you can find out

God or know Christ better than the Bible can teach you to know him? If you can't, then why are you perplexing your brain with worse than useless speculation?

Why aren't you learning from scripture and holding on to what you've got? You must either make a

God and religion for yourself and stand and fall entirely and eternally on the

God you've made. Or you must take the religion of Jesus Christ as revealed to you in his word.

You can't take a little of God's teaching and a little of your own. You can't believe on the

Lord Jesus Christ and the wisdom of your own heart at the same time. Choose then, choose now, choose forever by which you will stand or fall.

And he put his hand on the open Bible and he said, God helping me, I will stand or fall by the

Lord Jesus Christ. I will put my trust in his truth and in his teaching as I find it in the written word of God.

Doing that, as sure as the Lord Jesus Christ is the truth, I must be forgiven and saved.

And so he submitted his intellect like a child to the teaching of God's word.

Praise God. Now, how old was Bramlow at that time? He was 45. Wow, he came to faith late in life.

He did come late in life and he lived for 20 years and he filled those 20 years with wonderful service of the

Lord. Well, I'm going to read one question for you before we go to our first break. And by the way,

I forgot to tell Dewey Roberts. Dewey, I forgot to tell you the good news that you have won a free copy of the book that we are discussing,

Bramlow North, The All -Around Evangelist, compliments of our friends at Reformation Heritage Books.

So make sure we have the best mailing address that you want me to use for cvbbs .com,

Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, to ship this book out to you at no charge to you or to us.

The question that we have right now is from Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

Harrison says, that was a deeply moving reading and it reminded me, and I think it should remind all of us fellow

Calvinists about the fact that we should not shy away from biblical terms like the term choosing life or death, etc.

Of course, we know as Reformed Christians that only God can enable us to choose rightly and be saved by giving us a new heart and filling us with the

Holy Spirit and bringing us to a rebirth. But at the same time, it seems to me that many

Calvinists shy away from the words that Bramlow North used. Do you agree with this assessment?

Well, I wouldn't say many. I would say some.

Confused and muddled in that. But I think most of us have a

Bible mind and we know that the

Word of God comes, as Joshua says to the people, choose ye this day whom you will serve.

Amen. But as for me and my house, I will serve the Lord. We want people to come to a decision.

We want them to make a commitment of their bodies as living sacrifices to God, their minds to become the minds of Christ, to take this

Savior as their own personal Savior. We want our young people and we want old people to make a choice like that, don't we?

Amen. And we have to go to our first break right now. If anyone else would like to join us, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com,

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This is Chris Arnzen, if you just tuned us in. Our guest today for the full two hours is

Jeff Thomas, who, beginning in 1965, served for over 50 years as pastor of Alfred Place Baptist Church in Aberystwyth, Wales.

And he is now retired from pastoral ministry but serving God's people as an itinerant evangelist and an author.

And I'm so glad that he has dedicated two days to be on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio today and tomorrow.

Today we are discussing his new book, a biography, Brown Law North, The All -Around

Evangelist. And tomorrow, God willing, we'll have him back to discuss How Can I Please God and Everything, two books published by Reformation Heritage Books.

And we have a listener question. And I'm not sure if this listener is joking when he says this.

I don't know if he knows you personally. But his name, he's actually been a guest on this program before.

His name is Brad Zell, and he is the Minister of Outreach at the Bible Presbyterian Church of Charlotte, North Carolina.

And he says, Chris, please ask Brother Thomas to sing Jesus, Lover of My Soul to my favorite tune,

Aberystwyth. Do you have any idea what he's talking about? Do you sing this song, and do you know the melody,

Aberystwyth? Oh, of course. Of course, I've known it since a child.

And there's a plaque on the Congregational Church just down the road from Alfred Place that says it was in this church, first of all, a hundred years ago, that the tune

Aberystwyth was played, you know, Jesus, lover of my soul.

Let me to thy bosom fly. That's the tune, and it's a wonderful minor key to wonderful, wonderful words of the writer.

So, yes, that's great. I'm very familiar with that melody, but I didn't know it was called

Aberystwyth. And I know the hymn as well. Yes, that's right. Well, thank you,

Brad. And if you give me your full mailing address, Brad, you've also won a free copy of the book that we are discussing today,

Brownlow North, The All -Around Evangelists. And we have another question from a listener, and a very faithful listener, and also a very generous supporter, financially, of Iron Trap Design Radio, also from North Carolina.

We've got two North Carolinians in a row here. His name is Grady, and he is from Asheboro, North Carolina.

And I have to enlarge his email because the text is very tiny. Okay, he says, thanks again,

Chris, for bringing Dr. Thomas back to your show. Dr. Thomas, besides his sermons, did

Reverend North have any other works published, such as commentaries or memoirs? Well, there are the two works.

We'll go with This Man, the question that was asked when

Jacob was searching for a bride, and that's a lovely evangelistic book.

And then The Rich Man and Lazarus. Sometimes those titles are changed, but those are the two most well -known books.

I've discovered now a wealth of other books and tracts that he has written, and I would love to bring out a companion volume to this biography, the selected works of Raoul North.

And he's got sermons, for example, on the

Gadarene demoniac, and they are great. And then a series of sermons on the exodus from Egypt and the testings and trials and doubts and restorations of Israel on their way to the

Promised Land. And that's very helpful and relevant. And so, yeah,

I'm going to have a go, and maybe somebody in my church here will help and will be prepared to type these out for me, and we'll put them on a disc, and we'll see if Reformation Heritage Books will be interested in bringing out a companion volume.

If this one sells well, people will be interested to know more about this wonderful evangelist.

Praise God. And, by the way, Grady, make sure we have your full mailing address so we can mail you out a free copy of the book that we are discussing, compliments of our friends at Reformation Heritage Books, and also compliments of our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, cvbbs .com,

who will be shipping it out to you at no cost to you or to Iron Trip and Zion Radio. We have

Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, who said,

I heard you describing the rebellious life of Brown Low North before he was saved, but I found it interesting that even while an unregenerate sinner, he still could not tolerate blasphemy.

Can you explain that further? Is there any other details in his life that you are aware of that would make him sensitive to blasphemy and so opposed to it, even though he was still enslaved to the darkness of his sin?

Yes, that is fascinating. That's the wonder of a mother who never stopped praying and was a wonderful example to him, and how she treasured the name of her

Savior, and every casual reference to Christ or people lacing their speeches with a reference to, oh my

God, to make them seem funnier people than they are, that would be an arrow in his heart.

There was an earlier grace there convicting him and enlightening him, so adultery was something he could never think of, or theft, carnal sins like that, but he just lived for the pleasure of sport, the huge idol of our day, and his sport was shooting, and his sport was riding, and his sport was fishing, and he lived for those things.

And on Sundays, he, never taking the name of the

Lord in vain, he and a company of his friends would go off riding with their guns, passing people on their way to full churches where the blessing of God was being poured out, and he would just ride past them without a thought for them on his way to get a brace of gross from some will or other.

That was the tension. The good that he should be doing, he wasn't doing, and the evil that he should not have been doing, he did, and he was a wretched man, and he came under great conviction at the time, and when he first became a

Christian, Satan's darts struck him, and he had whispers, there's no

God, there's no God. It sounded in meetings, he'd bow down, kneel down to pray, there's no

God. He'd walk in the garden, there's no God, and then he would have to, almost losing his reason, say aloud,

God is, God is there, he is a God, and then the whispers would start again, there's no

God, there's no God. His anchor verse, which he would cast himself upon, were the words, him that cometh to me,

I will in no wise cast out, and he never quoted any other verse as frequently in his preaching or in his private counseling to anxious men and women, more often than not the assurance that the

Lord doesn't cast out those, if their faith is as thin as a spider's thread, if it is lodged in Christ, he will preserve that thread, and it will take us across the lake of fire, and take us across the bottomless pit, and it will put us down, fatherless before him, with exceeding joy, in the great day.

Amen. If you could, I'd like you to spend a few minutes just describing his entrance into the ministry, and where he begins evangelizing, and you were talking about how

Ireland in particular seemed to be very receptive to his messages, could you just speak for a few minutes uninterrupted about that?

He started off with truck distribution, and with great hesitation, it would make him look ridiculous, people would laugh at him, but he saw an old woman, and he cautiously took a truck out of her pocket and gave it to her, and then another old woman, and he offered to her, she said, thank you, and then the test came, and a policeman came walking along the road, and he offered one to him, and the policeman said, thank you,

Mr. Knorr, so for 14 years he carried a supply of trucks in his pocket, and only one occasion did an atheist refuse to take one, and then secondly, then he started to visit the sick people in the congregation, the free church of Eldin, where he was a member, and he would sit with them in their poor bedridden quarters, and he would pay for gas to warm their wounds, and he would take some oranges, and he would pee with them, and sit with them, and he would pray with them, and they loved him to visit them, and then thirdly, he started to develop evangelistic visiting, there's that woman in the porter's lodge, go and speak to her, he felt, the flesh said, oh no, no, keep what you've got to yourself, but the spirit gave him no rest, he went to the woman, read the bible to her, told her what the lord had done, then the spirit said, there's a washerwoman in the town, go to her, and read, and pray with her, and he read, and prayed with her, and then a young woman said, can you come to my father, and speak to him, he's such a bad man, and he went to him, and talked to him, and the man was convicted, and then the man said, will you come back,

I have some friends who would like to hear you, and 60 men gathered there, and the meetings increased in size, and he was speaking every night, one evening, 200 people turned up in a barn to hear him, they were straight preaching, he went to London to visit his mother, and one

Sunday, he called to a young Scotsman, and the Scotsman said, I'm preaching in the street, will you come with me, yes,

I'll come with you, he said, they went to King's Cross together, and the man preached, he wasn't much of a preacher, and he was having no impact, and then some of the people said, let's show that fat man who the dark eye is, and he stood on a street corner near King's Cross, and he began to preach, and immediately people stopped, and they gathered, and they were riveted, and when he was tired, they said, go on, don't stop, and then finally on a

Sunday, that preacher was ill, they had no one, and they came to him, and they said, will you preach for us, well,

I won't take the first part of the service, if you will take that, I'll preach, and people were greatly helped, and another church heard about it, and so he just very naturally drifted into preaching more and more, and crowds and crowds came to hear him, and then of course, the free church had their general assembly with all the great men then that had come out under charmers,

Cunningham, and Bannerman, and Rabbi Duncan, and they all loved him, and they all loved to listen to him, and they set him apart officially, and though he had not trained in their college, he had gone to Oxford, and he had studied in Oxford, and that was acceptable to them, and he was set apart as the church's evangelist, and from then, of course, many, many doors were opened to him, and he spent the rest of his life preaching the gospel.

Amen, and by the way, brother, I don't know if you changed anything in how you were recording, or not recording, but whatever kind of a phone device you're using, but it's much better.

I mean, your quality and your crispness and clearness has improved, so keep doing whatever you just did.

Very good. Yes, I haven't done anything different, so maybe the line under the

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As far as the Founders Conference where you will be preaching, God willing,

December 19th and 20th in New York Rev. Thomas, can you tell us if you know what subject you'll be speaking on?

Well they asked me to give them a title and I always do it with reluctance because other things might happen in the next month.

But I said that I will speak on being filled with all joy and peace as you believe in God.

Praise God, what a great subject. I certainly need to hear that because I have been lacking in joy and peace lately through my own sinfulness being anxious for many things other than as Jesus commanded, be anxious for nothing.

So I'm looking forward to that. Good, good, good, good. And going back to Brownlow North, we have a question.

Let's see, we have CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York who wants to know, why is it that a man of great reputation from an era past is very little known today?

Yeah, well I can only say that 60 years ago when

I was a Christian student, and there were hundreds of men that today we know, men like John Owen, Thomas Mountain, Rutherford, the

Reformers, they were so little known. And J .C

.R. was hardly known. Now he is loved and known. Things are so much better now, and publishing houses are bringing out their books.

I said once to Joe Beakey, it must be one new book a day comes out that you willingly have on your shelves.

No, he said to me, two new books a day come out. So there is a tremendous hunger to know more of the wealth of the godly men, men from Princeton, and men from the

Free Church College in Edinburgh, and all the colleagues and co -workers of Brownlow North.

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And that's compliments of Reformation Heritage Books. We have John in Bangor, Maine, who wants to know,

I'm sorry if I missed this because I've tuned in late, but I was wondering if Brownlow North practiced a biblical ecumenism.

I do not mean the liberal version of it today, where believers link arms with apostates, but I mean, did he have a healthy ecumenism with those of other denominations who still embraced and proclaimed the true gospel?

Oh, that was one of the things that attracted me to him, the basic things.

For example, six short rules for young Christians. One, never neglect daily private prayer.

When you pray, remember God is present, that he hears your prayer.

Two, never neglect daily private Bible reading. And when you read, remember that God is speaking to you and that you need to believe and act upon what he says.

I believe all backsliding begins with the neglect of these two rules. Three, never let a day pass without trying to do something for Jesus.

Every night, reflect on what Jesus has done for you, and then ask yourself, what am

I doing for him? Four, if ever you are in doubt as to a thing being right or wrong, go to your room, kneel down, ask

God's blessing upon it. If you can't do this, it's wrong. Five, never take your

Christianity from Christians, or argue that because such and such people do so.

So, you can do it. You ought to ask yourself, how would

Christ act in my place? Then strive to follow him. Six, never believe what you feel if it contradicts

God's word. Ask yourself, can what I feel be true if God's word is true?

And if both can't be true, believe God and make your own heart the liar.

So, that is the sort of man, those are his priorities. When I read it,

I'm a Baptist pastor, and Brown O 'North was a Presbyterian preacher, and I never felt the slightest strain in learning from him and feeling this is my dear father in Christ.

Praise God. Now, before I take any other listener question, I want you to really make sure, over the next few minutes, that you let our listeners know about the most important things they should be aware of in regard to the life and legacy of Brown O 'North.

Okay, okay. Do you want me to start on that now?

Yes, yes. Okay. Brown O 'North was obviously not only a most godly man, but he was a man of very fine intelligence, and people people tried to get him to change from a direct, biblical, evangelistic appeal to men and women to be rather clever in his exegesis.

And he took that word seriously on one occasion, and he began to preach.

And after five minutes, he dried up and apologized to them all and said, Oh, I've tried to be clever tonight.

What I want is to tell you about my Savior, Jesus Christ, and then, oh, what power and what blessing was his.

He had these wonderful sayings, aphorisms, that stuck in people's memories, that they took away with them.

For example, this, the precise moment will come when you will have been five minutes in eternity.

Or again, trying without praying and praying without trying, both are a mockery.

Let your motto be, pray and try, pray and try.

Or again, you cannot serve God and mammon. It's not said, do not serve

God and mammon. It says, you can't serve God and mammon.

Or again, as long as a man lets God alone, the devil will let him alone.

Or again, a Christian is not afraid of death, but of sin.

An unconverted man is not afraid of sin, but of death.

And again, godliness with contentment is great gain, but contentment without godliness is the greatest curse.

Wow, praise God. Those are wonderful sayings, aren't they? Memorable, they stick in your mind.

Amen. Let's see, we have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, and he asks, what particular branch of the

Presbyterian Church was Brownlow North a member of and where he was ordained? I don't even know, back then, were there many different kinds of Presbyterians?

I guess this is the 19th century. There was one great division when the

Church of Scotland was under the hands of local girls and squires and wealthy local landlords, and they had the sole right to give the pastorate of congregations to men they approved of.

And under Dr. Chalmers, there was the great disruption and hundreds of churches and ministers left the

General Assembly and formed the Free Church of Scotland. And that, the

Free Church then, was enormously powerful and instrumental, and the great men that we know of that I've mentioned already, like M 'Cheyne and the

Bonner Brothers and Chalmers and Bannerman, those men, they were the great theological minds, and combining it with the most sweet and humble submission to the teaching of Scripture and an evangelistic earnestness that took men like Burns to China where he never returned and established the gospel on which

Hudson Taylor built his work. So it was in the Free Church of Scotland, a church which later merged again when liberalism entered the

Free Church of Scotland towards the end of the 19th century, but a group continued and continues still to maintain the evangelicalism of the

Free Church of Scotland and the Free Church continuing today. Excellent.

We have, let's see here, we have B .B.

in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who asks, one of the greatest criticisms we have as Reformed Christians is that our preachers are very often dry and dull and give lectures rather than preach sermons.

I know for a fact that is not at all a description of you because you preach with such great passion, but I was wondering what kind of preacher, if we know, was

Brownlow North? I know that we cannot have recordings of him, but are there written descriptions of the manner with which he preached the gospel?

Right. Well, when he was set apart as the evangelist at the

General Assembly, they gave him a charge and then he preached a message about the situation in Scotland today.

Why is the Holy Spirit so little among us? And you have to really go back behind the dull and lifeless nature of so much preaching to the absence of the

Holy Spirit's ministry through the pulpit to people in the pew.

And he said the reasons for this absence, which he felt so sharply, was firstly the neglect of united prayer.

People weren't gathering together in the congregations and coming to the prayer meeting.

Oh, Christians, go more to prayer meetings than you do. And when you go to the prayer meeting, try and realize more that there is usefulness in prayer.

Secondly, I don't believe that there's a more effective system in Christendom than our rule by elders.

We need elders to work and go into the lanes and alleys of the cities and pray and speak and try to lead people to God.

Do the elders do that? I believe there are elders who know that God, who searches their hearts, sees that from week to week and from month to month.

They never make a single attempt to do anything for the glory of Jesus Christ. Thirdly, men are entering the ministry without a call or a gift from God.

They go to college and they are educated for the church. They brought before the bishops or before the presbyteries without any fear of being struck dead for committing the blasphemy against the

Holy Spirit. They swear in my church, they state in years that they believe they're called by the

Holy Ghost to the ministry and they enter it out of a desire to promote the salvation of the souls of fellow creatures when they know what they say is a lie.

And so he went, oh, very, very solemnly to speak to unconverted ministry.

The day of judgment will come and if you know in your hearts that you are not yet converted and are not really laboring for souls, follow the advice that Peter gave to Simon Margus and confess your sins to God and pray for pardon and for the

Holy Spirit. And lastly, the very best among us is exceedingly guilty of neglecting the apostolic injunction to be instant in and out of season.

And that's the great challenge of us all, not to be one day

Christians or to be Christians leading a service for an hour on a

Sunday morning, but to be out and out, 24 -7, serving the

Lord faithfully. Can we all speak when we are expected to be faithful, out of season, when we're the only

Christian on the school bus, when we're the only Christian in our place of work, in the open palm of office?

Do we wisely and lovingly show in those places that we are the

Lords? And so it's not just the weakness of the pulpit, but the pulpit reflects the general weakness of men who don't know the

Lord, who don't know the assurance of sins forgiven through Him, and so are not living ever, only, all for Jesus Christ.

It's right to speak of the weakness of the pulpit, but we also then, when we point a finger at the pulpit, have to point a finger at us in the pew and say, we're not living and evangelizing as we should.

Amen. We are going to our final break right now. It's going to be a lot briefer than the last one, or a lot more brief.

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And before I have you continue with Brownlow North, if you could whet the appetite of our listeners who hopefully will tune in tomorrow to find out more about your book,

How Can I Please God and Everything, if you could give us a little teaser about that book. All right.

Okay. It's really based on what Paul says in 2

Corinthians 5. We're always confident knowing that while we're at home in the body, we're absent from the

Lord. We're confident, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the

Lord. So we labor that whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him or we do everything to please him, the

NIV. So, it's really developing that.

That's the goal that the apostle has. And I'm asking the question, how can we, what are the ways in which we can please

God in everything? And I'll tell you those tomorrow. God willing.

Great. Well, I hope that you all tune in tomorrow to hear a second interview with our dear friend

Jeff Thomas. Now I have a question from RJ in White Plains, New York, who asks, do you know who

Brownlow North's heroes in the faith were? Yes, he loved to sit and listen quietly in the meals, supper after the evening service, lunch, with those leaders of the

Free Church of Scotland, Chalmers and Bannerman, and especially

Rabbi Duncan, Cunningham, those men whose books have been reprinted and are widely respected these days.

Those are the men that he loved, like a little boy, listening and smiling and learning so much from them.

Bobby, before she asked me, was there any description of him preaching? And there is one, a newspaper reporter goes along to hear him and describes him.

His tie isn't done up very well, and he has an eyeglass dangling on his tightly buttoned coat.

But what impressed me was the tremendous energy and force in his preaching.

There is something contagious in a man who is terribly in earnest. He begins his service with a low and faltering voice, but before he's got halfway through the open prayer, his breath begins to heave with convulsions.

He weeps. His whole frame is agitated. Tears stream over his cheeks, and as I know, faltering, words come quickly.

All the grace of a natural orator are developed. He becomes a good example of the truth that there's no teacher of elocution like the heart, and he implores his audience with tears, forget about me, just listen to my message.

He sketches the position of men without God, picturing them from his own experience, but he never alludes to his past career.

And then with a radiant smile, he says, souls are being here, saved tonight.

And he asks for the prayers of the congregation on his own that I can go on in earnest serving and doing the works of the

Lord. And I love the end of the man. He's only 63, and he's weary now with all the work that he has done.

He's tired. The man in the room next door hears the thud as he faints and falls to the ground.

They help him into bed. His wife hurriedly comes there, and for 10 days, she never leaves him.

During those 10 days, he speaks to the people around the bed. He says, I used to have a great terror of death.

That's gone from me. I have no fear right now. I am resting in Christ.

I would not change places with you for the whole world. And what is the verse that you are leading this world on?

Ah, the blood of Jesus Christ, his son, cleanseth us from all sin.

That's a verse on which I am dying. One wants no more. Have you peace?

Perfect peace, he says. And the next day he died, and they sang the paraphrase, how bright those glorious spirits shine, whence all their white array.

How came they to the blissful seats of everlasting day? In the blood of Christ, he washed their robes.

And so friends prayed, read scripture. He was laid in the tomb, and the tombstone reads,

Brownlow North, only son of Charles Augustus North, born

January 6, 1810, died November 9, 1873.

At the age of 44, he was turned from an ungodly life to serve the Lord. Thereafter, he preached the gospel with singular power and was greatly honored in winning souls to Jesus by the testimony of the love and respect of his many friends.

And you can see that in Edinburgh today, in the Dean Cemetery. It's well cared for, the stone which marks where he, according to the flesh, lies, from which he will rise when the spirit comes with Jesus and all his angels and joins spirit and body of all believers together in that great day.

Praise God. Wow. What a great way to conclude this interview. I am certainly looking forward to our interview tomorrow, and I want to remind our listeners, if you are a man in ministry leadership, please join me this

December 19th and 20th in New York City to hear Jeff Thomas preach.

And if you've never heard Jeff Thomas preach, you have got to make every effort to go hear him preach.

Of course, you can listen on Sermon Audio and other places, but there's nothing like being present physically when somebody is preaching the gospel, especially a gifted minister, an ambassador for Christ like Jeff Thomas.

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I'm not sure how to answer that question. Well, I'll just leave it at heritagebooks .org,

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You can find out more information about Jeff Thomas. And Brother, I am so excited about interviewing you two days in a row.

I'm looking forward to our conversation tomorrow on how can I please God in everything. Thank you so much for being my guest today and tomorrow.

And I want to thank everybody who listened today, especially those who took the time to write in questions. And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater

Savior than you are a sinner. God bless you, and we look forward to hearing from you with your questions tomorrow on Iron Trump and Zion Radio.

Very good. Thank you very much for entertaining me and encouraging me so much.