"Those who are in the flesh cannot please God." Romans 8:8
"The Church of Christ" have a difficult time understanding the nature of man.
Please check out the entire debate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj_JlmUqFqI
Brock Kendall - "Church of Christ" denomination
Jeremiah Nortier - Reformed Baptist
Transcript
Okay, so that didn't answer my question. I said, how are those who are in the flesh those who are unforgiven those who are unregenerate?
How can those people do something pleasing to God? He says those who are in the flesh and not
Question Brock is does it please God when a person is baptized? sure
We have to command so we thought it always pleases God to obey or so later
Yes, no, I actually we're agreement there So my next question is how and Romans 8 8 that says those who are in the flesh those who are in the flesh
Cannot please God. It's my understanding that those who are in the flesh are unforgiven of past sins. They are unregenerate
They are in the flesh. They do not have the spirit. So how can those who are in the flesh?
Please God. Well, first of all, you said your understanding was I think you said unregenerate
Right that correct and you used say sanctification to say sanctify. No, okay, and you use
Romans 8 Let me restate the question briefly Romans 8 it says those who are in the flesh
Cannot please God. So my question is how can someone who's unforgiven unregenerate in the flesh do anything to please
God like that? well, he's writing to a group of people who obeyed an external act and That external act according to the context of Romans 6 is baptism.
So I have no problem talking about baptism That's the content So he's right to my question that he's writing to a group of people who had obeyed an external act and that external act
Okay, so that didn't ask my question I said how are those who are in the flesh those who are unforgiven
Those who are unregenerate, how can those people do something pleasing to God when he says those who are in the flesh?
Cannot please God Your definition of unregenerate is not the
Bible definition of regenerate So you're gonna have to you're gonna have to define your terms about regeneration or one being unregenerate
So in the flesh my understanding of the context of Romans 8 you have those there Therefore there's no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus those who have the spirit
Then you have unbelievers that are in the flesh that are hostile to the things of God and I'm asking you
Your position because someone who's not baptized yet has not had their past sins forgiven.
They would be Unregenerate under this umbrella and I'm asking you how can someone who is in the flesh unregenerate unforgiven?
Do anything like baptisms, please God the same concept applies to repentance.
Would you agree? No, okay So let's let's say with Romans then
Romans 8 You keep going to Romans 8 go to the book of Romans all together and you're talking about Regenerated folks and degenerated folks.
Okay, but Paul is writing to folks who had been Regenerated so before their baptism.
No, they were baptized They were regenerated when they were baptized So how did someone who's in the flesh do anything to please
God when Romans or when Paul says that no one in the flesh can Do anything to please God you're using
Romans 8 to try to negate Romans 6 That's exactly what you're gonna Romans 6
He's already discussed the next from the lack of obedience that they obey baptism is the context and you're using
Romans 8 to try to negate that No, it actually flows together because he's talking about justification and sanctification and he goes back to that believers justified state