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Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James White director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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Travel Plans, Century Ride, and Opening Remarks

And welcome to the dividing line a jumbo edition only edition for this week heading out tomorrow. To visit with Pastor Shane and the folks in Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii was there basically a year ago approximately.

I think I think it was a year ago might have been April or March somewhere around there same similar similar time for a time frame and they've managed to schedule 50 chance of rainstorms for every day.

It's like hey, that's what happened last time. But and it's nice and clear now, you know, just it's just just when I'm there and it clears up after I leave. It's like hmm. Okay anyways heading there tomorrow and Interesting topics I've been assigned.

I mean all of them very passionate issues for me. But looking forward to speaking on that right as I was getting set up here. I've if you hear if you if suddenly it either goes blank or You hear a scream followed by a cutoff.

You got to understand. This is the I think this is the very first time I think I've tried to think back. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think this is very first time I've ever tried to do a program let alone a jumbo 90-minute edition of the program the same day of Doing a century ride.

I don't think I've ever done that before. Normally, I would be flat on my back taking a nap right now. But not today a century ride in case you're wondering is a ride over 100 miles 101 point three seven Today actually with four thousand eight hundred and three feet of ascent and it was much windier than I thought National Weather Service said it was gonna be.

And it was right in my face on the climbs great. Just you know, you're going uphill and you got to win the face. It was it was fun. So if all of a sudden you hear a scream, it's because despite my best efforts to hydrate and do all those other things You're supposed to do.

I'm sitting now. I'm gonna be sitting for 90 minutes and Those those legs could go. Yeah, and it would we'll just have to take a brief break. So anyway. Right as I'm sitting down. I look over and Petey Lumpkins has has been so kind to send me a little tweet.

Tweets are sweet, aren't they? I every everyone in Twitter is just I mean, it's a little birdies. Everyone's so kind in Twitter. And in comments on blog pages and things like that anyways, James White and humility.

James White and humility. So in other words, it's it's a personal attack from from Petey Lumpkins, which is Petey Lumpkins way of doing things. But so I went over and listened to it and I thought this is great.

This this is such an excellent example of why it is absolutely impossible to even try to reason with Peter Lumpkins. Why. I don't even know why even bothers to try people have been trying. But you know, I mean aside from looking at his web web page and seeing the.

You said you said you looked at it and pretty much everything the Christians are told to avoid was found in the comment section. You know the whole I know it. Yeah, you know he can sit there and remember I had sort of forgotten about people like Craig Daly SEO and and Diane Penn and people like that from back in the Canter days I just sort of forgotten just about how nasty these people are and utterly again early beyond all Reason well, here's here's a great example.

This has been put up is this on YouTube, I guess Vimeo, I know it's YouTube. It's YouTube. All right bring make sure it's up here rich. Here's James White and humility. 42nd clip. Let's let's listen to what?

What Petey has a problem with and then put up by the way in everything that we address today in everything we address. Harwood. In your can't canner Eric Hankins. Peter Lumpkins. Gregory Boyd all these folks all these folks ask yourself a simple question.

How could any of these people Stand in many of the places I stand in with regularity and defend the Christian faith. There you go. I am a terrible horrible non humble person. Now you notice it stopped right there because we all know that Peter edits things because he has to he can't defend himself by actually Dealing with the issues you got to edit things.

Everybody who heard that knew exactly what it was about everybody now on his website notice it says. First one must wonder why James White listed among Southern Baptist Adam Harwood. Eric Hankins emir cantering Peter Lumpkins one Open theist Gregory Boyd in his criticism.

Does anybody else know why I did that. Everybody who actually listened the program knows why I did that. Because I Responded to a number of different issues on that radio free Geneva. And what was one of the issues we had responded to an attack upon?

Penal substitutionary atonement by Gregory Boyd from the unbelievable radio program. I played it and I responded to it as part of the program. So this is called let me explain this to mr. Lumpkins, this is called a summary statement.

So everybody who had listened to the program knew why I mentioned. Everybody that I mentioned because I had already dealt with them now it it takes a a person without capacity at logic. To go well if you deal with different people in the same program, then that means you're saying they're all the same.

I mean, that's a basic failure of rational capacity. Which is being illustrated for us here by by Peter Lumpkins. Um, and Then why did I say what I said? Everybody listening knew exactly why I said what I said and that was their sub biblical perspective.

Would hamstring them in doing apologetics? Because to be involved apologetics you have to be consistent. Remember the the debacle. When William Lane Craig threw original sin under the bus in his debate with Shabir Ali.

Remember the debacle when William Lane Craig used Kerberos as an example of the Trinity. Okay, that's what I'm talking about. Once you take these sub biblical perspectives. Don't take that into a place like the East London Mosque.

You are going to be destroyed. You're gonna be destroyed. Because the folks that we are engaging are intelligent people they will point out the inconsistencies. Now everyone listening who is even semi fair.

Understood that the fact that Petey Lumpkins can put this up and now we better save the link or something as proof that he did It because knowing Petey he'll pull it down eventually once people point out that he just he blew it again.

But put this stuff up Only demonstrates that the issue is with Peter Lumpkins either capacity to follow context or willingness To go to the greatest lengths to engage in personal attack and I I can't imagine who he's attempting to Impress with that but Petey the lines open eight seven seven seven five three three four one if you'd like to call in and defend that.

Explain how that's even slightly relevant maybe explain why you missed why I mentioned Gregory Boyd. You know, it's it's a program where I had dealt with Greg. Did you not listen to that part? Maybe just skipped over that part because you're just looking for stuff.

It's possibility possibility, but that was that was on my screen once I turned the computer on here as I rushed into the office and I appreciate I appreciate Peter's helping us to to do that the I mean aside from stuff like The absurdity that George Bryson put out remember that Repeated by what was that guy's name?

I have to look at look at the books over here. Yeah, don't you remember the guy's name down in Tucson? Yeah anyways Young kid that put out a book that repeated the absurdity. Aside from stuff like that and the stuff that Petey Lumpkins puts out and stuff like that.

Leaving that stuff to the side one of the Most and we are taking calls today eight seven seven seven five three three four one. In fact, I need your assistance because I've only got X amount of stuff and.

And Today would be an excellent day. For someone like Peter to call in because I'm tired I'll admit it you spend six hours of four minutes on a bike and on windy day. Climbing almost 5 ,000 feet you're you'd be a little little.

I dare anybody else to do that I bet you there aren't aren't very many people in the audience say that it did that so Today would be a good day, but I need other people's assistance. Eight seven seven seven five three three four in fact.

It might be a good idea if I actually fire up the the phone thing on my side. Or I won't know whether we have anybody who's called in or not. Anyways, the phones are ringing so eight seven seven seven five three three, four one and so leaving aside the silliness you get from people like Peter Ruckman and all that.

Yeah, the cultish side of Calvinism and all that kind of stuff. Michael coat. That's right. Thank you Hebrew student. Just had to look over the channel figured people help me out. The jail's got to help me out today they're gonna have to be the the my extra brain over there because I'm tired anyways.

The single most absurd thing I've ever seen in my life on the public level I saw this weekend. I Forget where I saw it. I oh I Bill Muhlenberg. Bill Muhlenberg made reference to it and I I I Thought it was the dumbest thing.

So I had to double-check it now. I think this is right up there next to The guys that wear their pants below their you know on their thighs. Fashion-wise that to me is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life.

Especially when I see someone waddling down the road holding their pants up with one hand and then they've only got one hand to do other stuff with it just like you know God gave us hips for a reason and I guess it's just the modern generation figures are smarter than everybody else.

And so they do stuff like that. Anyway Bill Muhlenberg mentioned this thing and I looked it up and I tracked the information down on it and I heard Rush Limbaugh talking about it. So I'm now late getting to this though.

I heard about it sometime over the past couple days. I'm trying to laugh, but I'll be honest with you. This is California and Anything can happen in California. Simple common sense has absolutely abandoned Everybody I I mean I I sort of feel like I I spoke at a church up in Sacramento recently and I made a few a Few comments about the fact that you know, you're awful close to the statehouse here.

How have you all kept the disease? That obviously has infected everyone who goes there from infecting you all because There is simple insanity. But here's here's the dumbest thing. I've ever seen in public AB 460 it is a bill introduced by Tom Amiano Democrat of San Francisco and openly gay member of the openly homosexual member sorry of the California state legislature and a part of the LGBTQ RST UV WXYZ caucus.

And Basically what it says I'm actually hearing you for some reason rich. Yes, I'm hearing you in my in my headphones somehow. Did you have your yet you you had the okay, I see I understand Professional broadcast engineer person there.

Yeah, anyway If at first I thought maybe I was just hearing it through the window and then second second that was hallucination. And then finally I realized no I can actually hear that. Anyway, AB 460 Tom Amiano a bill that would require health insurance companies a bill require health insurance companies to provide infertility treatments to homosexual couples, yeah a Bill that would require insurance companies to provide infertility treatments to two men or two women Who are engaging in some type of sexual activity with one another and now Now you I I'm hearing people immediately.

Immediately and people he bring you're making this up. No, I'm not. No, I'm not go to The weekly standard comm slash keyword slash a B dash 460 capital a capital B dash 460. This was posted April. How could it be April 15th because it's not April 15th, yeah I don't know.

It's oh, it's the April 15th edition volume 18 number 29 Wesley J. Smith is the is the author now obviously what this. People immediately are saying come on. It's California. It'll never happen. How many times have we said it will never happen in?

California does it? Okay on one level it makes perfect logical sense. I mean once you have assumed as they are clearly assuming I mean This assumes that prop 8 will be overturned. This assumes that the Supreme Court is going to just you know establish the utter redefinition and destruction of marriage and They're just gonna run with it.

But if that's the case Then think about it. The fantasy is that these are actually marriages and. So the fantasy is marriage results in kids. So the fantasy is fairness of demand that health insurance companies should pay for either in vitro fertilization for lesbians or Some kind of adoption services maybe surrogate surrogate stuff for two men, but I read this and I looked up Tom Ammiano and everything he's ever done has been you know, it's just just defined by homosexuality and I look at this stuff.

And I said, this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I mean This is called basic biology two men can't have babies. Two women can't have babies. That's just a fact of life. But these folks are so defined by their capitulation to their sinful sexual inclinations and behaviors.

That they are willing to redefine marriage redefine culture redefine family. Redefine everything in light of themselves. Fact that we're gonna listen to well. On the ride today. I listened to a lot of stuff but I re-listened to the Douglas Wilson Andrew Sullivan debate and I kept hearing Andrew Sullivan talking about his husband his husband and I'm like, I'm sorry.

If you have a husband you're a wife. So you're the wife. Does your husband have a husband that's it's it's not possible. It these folks are demanding that Language meaning everything be redefined for them, even though they admit they're only 3 of the population.

But everything has to be defined for them and I said I've been saying for decades Homosexuals do not want equal rights. They want uber rights. They want absolutely supreme rights. They want to redefine everything in light of what makes them feel good.

That's it. So Here you have someone actually introducing a bill. Dennis on Twitter says such legislation corrects the homophobic laws of nature. There you go, I mean that that's what they're trying to do that's they're trying to do.

Let's redefine nature let's make insurance companies that is you and me pay. To provide us with what we cannot provide to ourselves because we are violating the most basic element of our own created nature it is.

It is the best example I have seen of the fact that there is a darkness. There is a veil beyond Just the spiritual veil the gospel we talked about in the New Testament. There is a darkness descending upon our culture.

And I don't mean a lack of light. I mean a lack of simple common sense. People cannot see Basic truths that are right in front of them. We played the D question from a while back. I'm gonna play one another one here in a little while and There is a there is a darkness to the mind and once God allows that to happen to a Majority of people in a society isn't that a clear indication that his judgment is all over that society it is and When you can have people Seriously suggesting That health insurance companies should have to pay So that two men can have a baby.

Or two women can have a baby single most absurd thing. I've ever heard in my life without question and There you have it. Will it pass. I certainly would hope not. I certainly would hope not. But it just speaks to where we are.

Some of you saw a few days ago That Ben Carson who has had the opportunity of speaking up for what's good and right was attacked by Johns Hopkins because he dared he dared to point out what's already happening and that is That Bestiality and pedophilia those who promote those activities are choosing to use the same kind of argumentation.

That the homosexuals have been using that is I'm made this way since I'm made this way. You cannot say it's morally wrong. It's the way I'm wired. It's it's the way I've been created and that somehow is supposed to be enough to say and that means it's morally right and so if Bestiality is the way you've been made then it must be morally right and pedophilia there are already published scholarly articles arguing that it is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality and if the moral foundation is if it's natural it's good if That's the way it is Then these things should be good.

What you can't say that You cannot say that the public square is being closed down To any meaningful argumentation on these issues people keep saying you're losing the argument what argument. No one's even engaging it.

I Don't think that movies produced by Hollywood are actually an argument, but if the Millennials The younger generation are actually so shallow minded So so completely controlled by their secular traditions that they can't see that well Not much we can do about it.

I mean we can point it out until they use the Power of the state to shut us up, and that's what's happening. That's what's happening. 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1. Very disappointed, I think a lot of people are Very disappointed about what happened over the weekend and the beginning of this week I I don't know what to do about it, but when I got word of Dave Hunt's death I I Made note of it on Twitter and Facebook now what I do is I have I have tweet deck it's connected to Facebook, and that's you know I can choose to post this to Facebook and That's how that works.

I'm generally not sitting around on Facebook hitting refresh or whatever it is you have to do to just watch whatever's going on well the responses I Just didn't expect I should have my bad. But I don't know it just seems so obvious to me That when someone dies You don't Jump up and down their grave you know it just seemed real obvious to me and yet I I Come back a little while later, and here's all this stuff where people are Attacking Dave Hunt and doing all the rest of this stuff and hey I've Debated Dave Hunt wrote a book against Dave Hunt talked about the the errors in Dave Hunt's books.

I did all those things but I've got enough common sense to realize there's a time for everything and Evidently people with computers don't possess that same level of common sense. If I recall correctly I forget which one it was I just had to delete one of them there was like a hundred and ninety-two comments or some absurdity like that and so when the next day, I think it was the news came out about Rick Warren's son and I mentioned that I just included right in it and If you dare say anything if you if you lack the simple common sense To go after Rick Warren about this Your comment would be removed and so will you?

Well that doesn't do anything. It's just it's keyboard stupidity. I'm convinced that 95 of these people would not make these statements if They were face to face with someone, but because there's a keyboard in the way all of a sudden it just allows your fingers to do the stupidest things and I've Michael Brown has talked about it on his program just an Amazing level of immaturity Represented by the internet Which you know that's why I don't do comm boxes.

I thought it was really funny that Peter Lumpkins So why don't you come over to my website, and we'll argue about this That's the website where you let people wish for my death and use profanity and stuff like oh yeah, right, okay?

That's right. We're gonna have a real good conversation about original sin over there. That's that's that's good. Because comm boxes and places like that. I call them internet ignorance aggregators it's just where people who really don't know much about what they're talking about just come together to explain the fact they really don't know much about what they're talking about and the behavior level is just Just beyond beyond comment really is I've got two more things to get to we got one phone call and Hey, if I can get it all done by 430.

I'll be happy to get it done by 430 I could I could use a half-hour nap. That's okay with me. We'll see what happens eight seven seven seven five three three four one. Let's talk to Steve in New Jersey.

Hi Steve. How you doing? Yeah, well, I'm thinking that too, but I've got a flight tomorrow at at two o 'clock and When else was I gonna get it done I couldn't I basically this was weather forced upon me because we had a Really weird storm come through on Monday, and it sort of hung around longer than I expected so You got a you know I've got goals man got to work for him.

I mean just as you brave the barren conditions as you do the Lord's work on your trip. Thank you.

Thank you. Yeah, it's it's tough. You know the palm trees swaying and the you know all the rest that kind of stuff. It's we all have our crosses. You know it's well. You know brother Shane the pastor there.

He's he's tough to work with so that's. Actually obviously I'm looking forward to it, but that's not why you called is it.

No, but just the last thing you said about the your Facebook I definitely understand why you don't do comment, but I even said in my response to one of the Rabble rousers on the Rick Warren post that you know we all know that When the world labels us as hate-filled bigot, it's a canard, but the degree of truth I have a degree of rightness.

I I lay it at your doorstep people because there's a loudest one. Yeah.

Well, you said late at my doorstep.

But the people who come on with no common sense to bash. No, and it's not it's not like you're in league with battle back.

No, no of course not it just it. You know I was I was thinking about the fact that Many many moons ago. This is an illustration that I thought of many many moons ago I It was it was right around the time when Norman Geiser was ramping up his responses To the Potter's freedom, and they were just really really bad.

I mean it was that that appendix and in in Shows of it free, and it was clearly written by people other than Norm Geisler. It's just really bad right in the middle of responding to all of that. I found out about the death of one of Geiser's kids and So I just I just dropped it.

I just I just that just just let it go now when he then picked it up the next year okay, then I went back and and and utilize that information so on so forth, but there's there's a time for these things for crying out loud and Unfortunately people don't don't get that but by the way Steve.

Do you do you ride a bike? Not your level. Oh, well you just you seem to know what a century was. I didn't know if you were a oh Okay, okay century runs. Wow that would be that would be pretty that would be four marathons.

Which made me when I heard you say that I was doing the math in my head because I know that the runners it takes.

Them like a day and a half right right now. That's nice thing about a bike at six hours and four minutes I wanted to beat six, but I did so much climbing in this one that It didn't didn't work out, but anyways you have a question sir.

Yes, but just a comment on inspiration I.

This just occurred to me, I'm sure it's I have points out something like this, but I've heard you say before that for example origins works will probably never all be written because or read because he had a scribe following him around for most large portions of His life just writing down everything that right and that when you that always stuck with me and it made me think and I wouldn't use this as an apologetic, but just as like a Strengthening the believers faith in the inspiration of Scripture it made me think in the Gospels.

Jesus seems like he almost went out of his way to not make a point to have things he said written down and in light of like passages like John 14 26 where he says that the helper will Bring some remembrance all the things that said to you and John 2 to where the disciples are remembering what he said about I will raise the temple back up in three days after his death.

What do you just what are your thoughts on the significance of record either himself or during his lifetime? Just that it's that much more maybe supernatural that we can kind of take comfort. Yeah, well.

It is interesting. People will often object to the idea Well, you know We can't really know what Jesus taught because Jesus didn't leave us a record and this is all secondhand all the rest that stuff That that betrays a particular view of inspiration but you do have the Recognition in both synoptic Gospels and in John of the fact that Jesus knows this this is not the last chapter and so While the New Testament comes into existence much much faster than the than the Old Testament did It was in a different context things like that.

If as it is We struggle with hyper red letterism. We struggle with people who? Give the words of Jesus and the Gospels more weight than than anything else as it is. And so if we had The Jesus portion of the New Testament then the four Gospels and then Paul or something like that I I would imagine that would really cause a Major issue as far as I'm sure there would be people who just would would absolutely insist upon Elevating that beyond beyond anything else.

And so it really requires I think a balanced view of of inspiration, but.

Certainly. Yeah, I'm thinking of it as that means of well, certainly it shows Jesus.

Trust went both directions. In other words, he'll quote David and say as David said by the Holy Spirit. So there's a trust of the scripture scriptures inspiration in the past and then there you have it in the future.

This is the same spirit that spoke by David in the past can speak by Paul or Peter or anybody else in the future. So there's there's no no question about that. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Okay. Thanks Steve.

Thanks for listening. All right. God bless. Bye. Bye. Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. Let's talk with Joshua. Hi Joshua. Hey, that's right, I don't.

Homosexuals only 3 of the population. Isn't this the same liberal left to only a couple years ago was hot? Yeah, how does the battle cry, you know, because that that that that that 1 of all those rich people were just we're just Stop stop you understand that that Population but now we have 3 that that I want to do the right thing all the other.

Well now you're you're you're expecting some kind of consistency on the part of individuals and they're thinking about cultural issues. And that's obviously not something that you should be expecting.

And if you are expecting it, it's gonna make you a very unhappy person over time. So well, yeah, how long the Attention span is of the vast majority of folks in our culture today. Unfortunately, what was it you were saying?

I'm sorry. As quick yes. Yeah, you're right. I mean and they don't see it and Nor nor should we expect them to their their self analysis. The actual desire to be consistent in your own thought Is so rare today.

Because it goes back to a it goes back to a worldview and if you're just the the result of random Forces over time. Why should you worry about being consistent? Anyways, there's there's no you're not glorifying anybody.

You're not reflecting God's image in your life or anything like that. You're not thinking God's thoughts after him that you don't have a reason for doing any of that. You should just be very pragmatic and if it works to yell about the 1 and then turn around and elevate the 3

Hey, as long as it works, just be pragmatic about it. There is a de-enlightenment going on. No, no, no tways about it, by the way, McFarland just says you're a jerk. Just thought I'd mention that. It is.

Yeah, thanks a comment. I will say eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. McFarland just did not expect me to do that. But anyway Before we go back to our phone calls I Want to Totally shift gears here for a moment.

Don't worry about whatever whatever your your topic is. We're all over the road today. I'm gonna be all over the road today, so it doesn't really matter. But Though you know what at quarter after you know, I'll be wise would be to queue up a break at quarter after.

Because then I could stand up. Just stand up for a few minutes and go. I'm probably fall asleep on the plane tomorrow and wake up a cramping or something like that. That's what I'll that's what I'll do.

A fellow that I call the Assyrian Encyclopedia pointed something out to me that I thought was Was rather interesting that I thought I would mention very quickly. Of course, it is going to require me off the top of my head to remember the reference, but I think I can find it.

Do do to do to do to do to do to do. Yep. There it is. Surah 73 20 in the Quran. Surah 73 20 in the Quran. The long verse long ayah. Let me just read the part that is that is relevant. He has known that you Muslims will not be able to do it and has returned to you in forgiveness.

So recite what is easy for you of the Quran? He has known that there will be among you those who are ill and others traveling throughout the land seeking something of the bounty of Allah and Others fighting for the cause of Allah.

So recite what is easy from it and establish prayer and gives the car and loan Allah a goodly loan now this is talking about standing in prayer and and a lot allowing the Muslims to Basically have sort of a Not so strict way of practice because There will be those among you who are ill and others traveling and Then it says and others fighting for the cause of Allah now here's one of the reasons why It's helpful.

And by the way, just a reminder. Whatever Christian needs to know about the Quran is out. Now those of you who? Passed us over didn't worry about alman org and went to Amazon are gonna be waiting a while to get yours.

I know what I don't understand why it died died, but we've got them in stock. How many more we got in stock? We've got about 200 just sitting there. Yeah now they're not signed. We've signed the 400.

Operation hand cramp is over and I believe by the count. I've got there's there's one one sign copy left.

Which one one and their first come first served, isn't it? So everybody better really hurry up. This is true. Anyway, I Included in the book The same chart that I keep referring people to on the website which gives you the general order of the writing of the surahs of the Quran and If you look at that then you discover something interesting and That is that this portion of the Quran was Given in Mecca.

Now, why is that relevant? Well, basically you have a division between the Meccan surahs and the Medina and surahs and That means this was given prior to Allah giving the Muslims the Responsibility right and freedom to engage in jihad to engage in military Self-defense so What's this about fighting for the cause of Allah in a surah?

That is written before Allah allows the Muslims to actually fight in the cause of Allah. Now Ibn Kathir Points this and says yes, this was given before Fighting was legislated and allowed. But what this proves is that Muhammad was a prophet because he was foreseeing future events now.

Okay. All right. You know why I'm pointing this out. Don't you if you're thinking with me, you know why I'm pointing this out. How many times how many times have we heard Muslims? pointing to Issues in the text of the New Testament or Old Testament for that matter where naturalists materialists, I Mean, this is all of what Allah Of it's our al-haqq is it's our al-haqq again.

I'll mention it to you. It's the the book that was written in the middle of the 19th century in India. It's really spawned Ahmed D dots and all these other people a pile of horrific research. But what it's all based upon is let's let's go look at the Christian liberals and let's throw all the standard objections against the text of the Bible from a naturalistic perspective and the one thing you cannot do is have a Supernatural explanation the Muslims love those books.

I think they're great. They love making those arguments. Except here. Because you see if you were to apply the exact same Worldview the exact same form of scholarship that is Utilized by people like Bart Ehrman and people like that.

They would say well This is clear indication of redaction. Redaction this this section was written well after Jihad had become a part of the community and Whoever was writing this knew that reflected that and Either insert it later on or this all was just written later anyways, and it doesn't really come from Muhammad in the first place.

That's how modern-day Western scholarship would look at this text, but that's not how Muslims look at it. They'll use the same scholarship to attack New Testament. But but when it comes to something like this where you have the exact same kind of evidence.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no that is no no no reason to do. Just a little bit of Inconsistency, isn't it? Yeah. Okay Brad and Lionel. We'll get to you in just a moment We're gonna take a quick break and be right back.

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