Matt Slick Live: February 4, 2025

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Okay, everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live. Today's date is February 4th, 2025. For the podcasters, hope you're all going to be having a good time listening today.

I'm still adjusting a few things here, tech stuff I got to do, but, you know, a lot of fun, a lot of fun, a lot of fun. So if you want to give me a call, the number is 877 -207 -2276. You can give me a call.

I want to hear from you. So you can do that. You can also, if you're interested, you can also email me at info at karm .org, info at karm .org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. That's easy to do as well. Put the subject line, radio comment, radio question.

All right.

Then let's just jump on the lines here. Let's get to Luciano from Arizona. Hey, buddy.

Welcome.

Hey, man.

How's it going?

How you doing?

Hey, I'm glad you finally called.

I know. I know.

I haven't put it off way too long. So my question is pretty simple and direct. Do you think the Antichrist is alive right now?

Well, if it was female, it would be Pelosi. It's possible. But no, I would say Biden, but I don't know if he is alive right now. He could theoretically be a one-year-old, theoretically. He could be a 40-year-old, I don't know.

So it's certainly possible because it does seem as though the stuff that needs to be in place for the Antichrist to be in place, a lot of it's there. Now, we've got to have the rebuilt Temple of Jerusalem, which I've been to Jerusalem a couple of times, and there's plenty of space to build a temple next to the Dome of the Rock or very close to it geographically.

So when that's going to be done, that's when we've got to really pay attention. And we probably could say, yeah, he's probably alive then. So until that, I don't know. But it's certainly possible. You know, it's really possible that the Antichrist could be alive.

Yes.

So what needs to be done in order for the temple to be, are they starting to work on that yet?

They have the plans, the priests are in training, they've got the ashes of the Red Heifer. There was something else that needed to be acquired, that's in place. So there needs to be something to happen.

Now, there's a lot of different scenarios that we could look at. One of them is a possibility that there's going to be some real civil military unrest in that region. And the Antichrist may be a figure who then comes in and says, OK, let's fix everything.

Let's make everything good and makes a peace treaty. And one of the agreements that he's allowed or that will occur is that the temple will be built next to the Dome of the Rock. Now, you understand this is a real serious issue, because when you go into Jerusalem into that area, you can walk through a large plaza.

It's flat. I mean, you could play football in it, a full football field in it. And then you walk up some steps, maybe, I don't know, maybe 10 feet high of steps. Then you get to another plaza, and that's where the Dome of the Rock is.

And it's about as big as the other area. And there's plenty of room in there to put a temple. So there's these really interesting areas. If you were to do an aerial view of the Dome of the Rock, you'd see these large blank areas next to it.

So it's certainly possible. If there's a lot of unrest and this is allowed to occur, the Muslims aren't going to like it at all, because of their hatred and their brainwashing and things like that. But if it's there, it's going to be a real tenuous peace.

It's a real tenuous peace. In fact, I remember this. When I was walking around the mosque, oh, I've got to tell you about this, too. When I was walking around the mosque, I went towards the entrance. And I wasn't going to get anywhere near.

I'm 30 feet away from the entrance, and this Muslim guy held up his hand and looks at me to stop me from getting any closer. I just nodded. That's all. And that was as far as that went. No big deal. But they don't want anybody else in there, only Muslims, et cetera.

So they're very tense about it. But I have, let's see if I can find it, something really interesting, too, this is trivia. Let's see, karm .org, Dome of the Rock. And so when you go up the steps, yeah, there it is.

When you go up the steps, okay, you go up the steps to the Dome of the Rock. So there's a picture. If you go to Karm and look up Dome of the Rock, there's three pictures there. And one is of me standing before the Dome of the Rock.

You scroll down, and it's one with Eric Johnson, and he's the team leader, or he's the guy who put the tour together. And behind us is a framed something. And you can see behind, it's over my right shoulder, you can see what's there.

And the third picture is an expansion of it, and it looks like a demon.

It does.

It's really interesting, this trivia.

Wow.

I'm serious. When Eric, he goes, hey, Matt, come here, I'm going to show you something. I walk up. He doesn't say anything. He says, what does that look like? I went, oh, my goodness. That looks like a demon.

He goes, I know. And so I enlarged the picture. You guys can all check it out. So anyway, I'm rambling there, I'm quite a bit hyper, so.

Oh, sorry, sorry. So how do you presume that this dome will be destroyed in order for the temple to be.

Built? It won't be. It doesn't need to be destroyed. There is plenty of room next to it. There's plenty of room next to it.

Oh, OK.

Yeah.

In fact, maybe I'll put up a, if I have some pictures, I can put up another picture about that, or go to an aerial photograph. Let's see. Google Maps. I wonder if you could do that right now, and I'm just curious.

Let's see. Dome of the Rock. And let's see if it gives a good aerial. Oh, yeah, there you go. So you can do that, and you can see the blank area. There it is.

Yep.

Dome of the Rock. There's a large, there's a blank area there. There's enough to, there's some areas there.

Yep.

To put a temple.

Yeah. Wow. Wow.

So I don't know if it'll be destroyed, but when the Antichrist goes into the rebuilt temple of Jerusalem to say he's God, that's when it's going to hit the fan.

And I believe...

Is that when the Tribulation starts?

No, that'll be the Great Tribulation period. This is the standard view during the three-year, the seven-year Tribulation period will be.

There.

And then that happens at the midpoint of the Tribulation, which I have to review everything. To see. But that seems to be what it is.

Okay.

Got it, got it.

And we'll go through it.

Yeah, we'll go through the Tribulation.

Yeah.

Well, thanks a lot, Matt. As you know, I've been at this Nazarene school out here in Illinois, and I thought you'd get a kick out of this. There's been a couple women pastors coming to preach to us at the chapel.

Yeah, the Nazarene denomination is just, it's going apostate. So I know that you know orthodoxy and all, and people don't know that I know you. And that you're... You sound like your dad. You talk like your dad, too.

And so I'm glad you're out there and stuff. There's a Nazarene university just three, four, five miles from me, and I wouldn't recommend my own kid to go there. So you're there. That's okay. You're going to see a lot more.

You're going to see homosexuality being promoted a little bit and the Alphabet Monk mentality women pastors.

Wow.

So, yeah. Yeah. But you can get a good education there, I'm sure.

Yeah.

I've definitely noticed it so far, even in like just three weeks.

Yeah?

What have you noticed?

Tell me.

We had this guy, I think his name is Albert Hung. He's the leader. Him and his wife are both co-reverend for the Northern California Nazarene thing or something like that.

Yeah.

And he's been preaching to us the past couple of weeks and he just kind of really highlighted how oppressed the homosexuals are just in America this past 10 years.

They're so oppressed.

Yeah.

They're so oppressed.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's just little stuff like that that he kind of sprinkles in there. And he also, another thing he said was, we need longer tables or longer dinner tables and shorter walls, like border walls. And I think that was kind of a shot at what's going on with the deportation and stuff.

But it's just little stuff like that.

Raise your hand. Raise your hand and say, do you have a long table in your house and would you like to house some immigrants who are coming in across the border illegally? You don't know who they are.

They could be murderers, rapists.

Oh, man.

Or they could just be nice people.

Yeah.

Oh, you want to just invite any into your house? No, we don't. Oh, that's called hypocrisy.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're going to face a lot of this. So I'll tell you what, you make sure, because you can have my cell phone if you want, you always make sure you give me a call or talk to your dad and he and I can talk, whatever, that you can stay strong during this whole liberal idiocy that the Nazarene University is putting you through.

Just stay strong.

Yes, sir.

Thank you.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. I'll definitely take you up on that and I hope you have a good one, Matt.

Sure.

And I have a suggestion. Why don't you see if you can, if they will, I'll pay my own way to come out there and speak on campus about biblical fidelity. Oh, I would do that instantly.

Wow.

I was joking, they're never going to let me do it, but I would, if they were to say, yeah, we'll have him come in and do a chapel, I'd fly out there for that. I'd pay my own way.

Oh my gosh, that would be amazing. That would be amazing. I'll talk to my dad about that and see if we can make it happen.

I would do it.

Of course, they wouldn't like what I had to say because I'd call them out on their hypocrisy.

You might get kicked off stage in the middle of it.

Oh yeah, they'd tackle me and I would just say as much as I can.

That's right.

Yeah, that's right. I'd challenge them to debate. In fact, you know what, with the pastors and elders, see if you can find anybody there on campus who will debate me on it. Does the Bible support or teach women, pastors, and elders?

Got it, got it, okay.

Yeah, I would definitely do that.

Yeah, I've been offering that challenge for 20 years now, off and on on the radio. Not a single group or individual has taken me up on it. I'd love to go out to the Nazarene University there, where you are, and have a formal debate with somebody, give me the best they've got.

Yeah.

That sounds so good. I'll let my dad know about that and we'll see what we can do.

Yeah, and then you'll get kicked out of the school because, you know, uh-huh.

If that's what God's will is.

If that's what God's will is. That's the right attitude to have. We don't want to get you kicked out, but I got you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right, man.

All right, man, thanks so much. I'll be calling you more often now. You have a good one.

All right, buddy, God bless. So that's Luciano, and I know it's dad. We stayed with him down there. My wife and I went down to Phoenix, Arizona area a few years ago, checking out the area to see about moving down there because they had better medical stuff than my wife.

We never did end up going there, but we made friends. And we stayed at his Airbnb for a couple of weeks. Real nice family and great guy. And we had dinner over there, and Luciano and his brother, and now he's in college.

And he's Orthodox. He knows what the truth is. Not Orthodox as in Eastern Orthodox, but he's Orthodox because he knows what the truth is. And he knows what the liberality of within pastors and elders.

And I'll just say this again, that I'll offer a challenge to anybody out there. Not just some guy off the street, but somebody who, maybe a pastor. Or denominational representative. And debate me publicly with a moderator.

Does the Bible support women pastors and elders? I've offered this debate challenge for years. No one's taken me up on it. Why is that?

What do you think that is?

The Antichrist, the Rebuilt Temple, and the Dome of the Rock

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Alright everyone, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, we have wide open lines. The number is 877 -207 -2276. We have nobody waiting. Let me get to some emails that people send in all the time.

How do I reconcile the fact that based on the genealogy of Jesus and Matthew, he's not the bloodline of David. For him to be the bloodline of David, Joseph would have been his father. Jesus is in the bloodline of Mary.

Am I missing something? No, you're not. But the bloodline from David goes through Mary. Because both the bloodlines trace themselves back to David. And it splits there. And so, there is a requirement that, I'm trying to remember the details.

There's a requirement of Jesus to be from the bloodline of David. And that's the case. Now the legal bloodline is through Joseph. The legality. And so, he was adopted. And so, the legality transfers down to Jesus in the adopted sense.

So, it's there. The article I've written on this is on the CARM website. And the title is, Why Are There Different Genealogies for Jesus in Matthew 1 and Luke 3. All right. Let's get to another one. Hey Matt, speaking in tongues today, I believe is a signed gift.

We went over this a little bit. I'll go over it again though. No use today. Can you explain briefly?

Thanks.

So, saying there's a signed gift that doesn't need to be for today, doesn't mean it's true. A lot of people just say, It's a signed gift. There's no need for it today. Well, first of all, how do you know it's a signed gift?

And why is there no need today? Just saying it doesn't make it so I'm not getting mad at the person who's saying this. But it's just the issue. So, people will say that. And I have debated, you know, impromptu, just kind of back and forth discussions about this.

People say, Well, the tongues are just signed gifts. Well, can you show me that in scripture where they're signed gifts? And can you show me where they're ended? And then generally speaking, they'll go to 1 Corinthians 13, 8 through 12.

And so when I go through that with them, where it says when the perfect comes, the imperfect shall pass away. And I say, what's the perfect? Well, that's the Bible. Well, nothing in the Bible says it's the perfect that comes, is the Bible.

And so they're reading into that text as well. I say, let's let the scripture interpret scripture because it says then, when the perfect comes, then we'll see face to face and we'll know as we've been fully known.

Well, I did a research. I did research on the term face to face and it always means personal encounter. That's what it means. Okay, Exodus 32, 30. It says, I saw God face to face and yet my life was spared.

Exodus 33, 11. The Lord would speak to Moses face to face with his friend, Numbers 12, 8. With him I speak face to face, clearly not riddles, talking about God talking to Moses. Deuteronomy 5, 4. The Lord spoke to you face to face out of the fire in the mountain.

So these are encounters. This is how the Bible talks about the issue. And so I say, well, what about that?

It's face to face.

That seems to be a personal encounter. When the Bible is completed, that doesn't mean that that's when you see face to face in the Bible. When the perfect comes, then I'll see face to face. Then I'll know as I'm fully known.

I did a study on this to be known. Long story short, Jesus says in John 10, 27, for example, my sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me. Galatians 4, 8, 9. We did not know God back then.

Now that you come to know God or rather are known by God. Romans 8, 29. For those who before knew, he also predestined. Matthew 7, 21 -23 goes in and Jesus says I never knew you. Get away from me. So the idea here of being known by God means a relationship,.

Reconciled,.

Holy relationship of redemption that the Lord, which is I know you, means you're saved. It means you're good with him. He says I don't know you. It means you're in trouble. When the perfect comes, then I'll see face to face.

Then I will be known. I'm fully known. This also suggests personal relationship and intimacy with God. I don't believe that the perfect that comes is the Bible. I believe it's the return of Christ. Why do I say that?

Because when you go to 1 Corinthians 1, 7, it says so that you're not lacking any charisma, literally in the Greek. Any charismatic gift awaiting eagerly the revelation, the apocalypse, the return of our Lord Jesus.

So you're not to lack any charismatic gift while you're waiting for the return of Christ. So when the perfect comes, the imperfect shall pass away. It's the return of Christ. So that's why I say that.

That's what I believe it is. That's my response to that. So there, as a Calvinist, as a five-pointer, amillennial, pedobaptist, non-cessationist, covenantal Calvinist, this really irks some of my Reformed brethren because they'll say, you cannot hold that position and be Reformed.

Well, I guess John Knox.

Wouldn't be allowed to be in.

I could read stuff from John Knox, George Fleming, John Wishart, and from these ancient Presbyterian divines moving in the charismatic gifts. And I've got others. There's other accounts I've uncovered in the past year.

I have more people moving in the charismatic gifts documented in their church history and stuff like that. So anyway, look,.

I think this,.

This is my opinion. You can accept it,.

You can reject it,.

That's fine. I believe that the Christian church has been gifted with the charismata and that we are to seek them and use them but not for our own vainglory as so many people on TV do. You know, let's speak in tongues and it's ridiculous.

It's for the edification of the body of Christ and for the furthering of the gospel of God. And I notice that when you're out doing that, that's when these things happen. I'll give you one example and we'll get to the callers.

Not that this, I'm not making doctrine out of experience. And this is only one of a few experiences I've had. And again, I'm not saying look at me, look at my experience, but these are not hearsays. This is actual stuff that I personally have experienced so it's not a hearsay.

So I remember once when my buddy Dave, we still know him, Dave and I used to be roommates and he's on the board of directors now and we were going to the swap meet back in the day, back in the 80s in Southern California and we would, in Anaheim, across the 22 freeway with the orange driving which I don't believe is there anymore.

But at any rate, we would go there and open up, we had a booth, did it every week for, you know, I did it for two and a half years, okay. Pass out literature, trying to evangelize, that's what we did.

All right. There was this one time and I still remember it very, very clearly and Dave was sitting in a chair about five feet from me.

Because we're in a booth.

Area five or six feet away and we would take turns going up to the, to the tables. We had tracks and gospel messages held down by rocks so the wind wouldn't blow them away.

And,.

This guy comes up, it was my turn to talk so I went up there and talked to the guy and I still remember, he's about five foot eight and dark hair, I remember his face, I remember what he looked like, slender, Caucasian guy, I remember his face, I remember everything about it.

And,.

So we're talking for a few minutes and he was telling me how he used to be a Christian and he didn't really believe this or that anymore and we'd met a lot of people.

Like that out there,.

Just a lot of people and we'd just have conversations with them. It wasn't out of the, out of the norm.

But,.

This one time talking to this guy all of a sudden I just had this.

Knowledge.

Come over me about this guy and the particular issue that he was dealing with with God and that God had already spoken to him.

And God.

Had called him to repentance. This guy was shaken.

By it,.

Visibly shaken and he left and Dave told me that when this was happening there was a shimmering presence around me that he saw during that time things like that happened.

Speaking in Tongues, Face to Face, and the Return of Christ

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Alright everyone welcome back to the show. We have two open lines 877 -207 -2276. Let's get to Andrew from Maryland.

Welcome,.

You're on the air.

Hey,.

Mr. Slick thanks so much.

For your ministry. I've listened to you for a long time and I just want to say thank you for all your hard work. I've listened to your debates and lectures and I actually have listened to your Roman series.

On YouTube.

And I have to say I had to listen to Romans chapter 5 at least 3 or 4 times.

To finally let that.

Sink in so thank you.

Yeah,.

There's some good stuff.

In there.

It's a pivotal chapter in the Bible theologically.

And I really this is very off topic.

But I just want to.

Thank you for.

You know presenting that.

In such a well thought out way now 12 through.

19 is just.

One of my favorite.

Sections.

And it's a go-to text so I just really appreciate that.

Thank you.

Good.

I'm sorry to get to the question I apologize. I hope your family is doing well and I'm praying for you and everything.

My question is about being a being a.

Reformed.

5 point.

Calvinist.

Believer.

It's on the.

Topic of.

General revelation.

In terms of.

Saving knowledge.

Obviously I believe.

That.

You know.

God has graciously revealed himself progressively through time to Abraham.

And.

Stuff like that. Romans chapter 1 says we're all in condemnation for not worshipping the true God. Ephesians 2 verse 12 says that we had no hope prior to the engrafting of the Gentiles into the vine.

How.

How would.

In reading the.

Old Testament.

We come across a character Jethro.

Moses'.

Father-in-law and he's described as a high priest. He seems to be aware of God's divine name he seems to be. He seems to give.

Good advice to Moses.

But how would you kind of describe.

Um.

If Jethro was saved.

How did he get.

Saved.

How did that.

Kind of all work out.

When you know.

We don't have like clear evidence of um.

You know the Midianites being God followers.

Well God there's a saying I heard once that I like God casts his net farther than we do. And if Jethro.

Uh.

Was saved just because God had granted him.

Faith.

And so I don't know off the top of my head if he was or wasn't.

I have to go through.

And read.

Because it's out of Exodus I believe.

Uh.

Two.

And uh a little research here so other than that I couldn't tell you exactly.

You always.

Got to read.

You can see.

There's a little statement like yet he did not repent.

You know or.

And thus he's with you know whatever it is in the context of what's going on. So I'm not.

Sure.

Absolutely.

Um I and I.

I don't want to take up too much.

More of your time or anything like that but um.

You know obviously you know.

A prevalent thought in unfortunately in Christianity today.

Is that somehow someone could be.

Saved without knowledge of the one true God. So basically it's like a form of partial universalism. Oh they were very good veil worshippers so God kind of graded them on a curve so to speak.

But let's let's back it up. Could a baby in the womb who's killed in abortion.

Could that baby.

Go to heaven.

I would say yes.

Yes.

And they didn't have a confession.

Of faith.

That we're aware.

Of.

You know.

So I think.

In a technical sense yeah it's true. It can happen. Normatively speaking no it's not true I would say.

Right okay.

Well thank you very much for your time and.

I hope you have.

A great night.

Sure man.

God bless.

Glad you've been.

Listening.

Appreciate it.

All right.

Oh absolutely.

See ya.

Jethro, General Revelation, and the Salvation of Infants