WWUTT 2055 Q&A Moses and Elijah Time Warp, Excommunicated Spouses, Plagiarizing Pastors

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December 15, 2023

Responding to questions from listeners about how Peter, James, and John recognized Moses and Elijah on the mount of transfiguration, who does a believing spouse relate to their unbelieving spouse, is "Jesus" the correct translation in Jude 1:5, and how do you confront pastors who plagiarize their sermons. Visit wwutt.com for all our videos!

00:00: How did Peter, James, and John recognize Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration? If your spouse has been excommunicated, what does that mean for you?
00:09: And did Jesus free the Israelites from slavery in Egypt according to Jude 5? The answer is when we understand the text.
00:24: And it'll sound great. Okay, go ahead. Merry Christmas from your friends at When We Understand The Text, a daily
00:31: Bible commentary to help encourage your time at the Word, that we may grow together in Christ.
00:36: Tell all your friends about our ministry at www .tt .com. Here once again is
00:42: Pastor Gabe. Thank you, Becky. You're welcome. Merry Christmas to you too. Yeah. We're getting close here.
00:47: Getting there. I made a comment on social media recently that Christmas is not pagan.
00:54: Right. And so there was an explosion of responses. Oh, I'm sure. I'm going to hold on to those replies.
01:00: We'll fit that into our Christmas episode next week. How about that? Sounds good. So for today, we're going to start with Psalm 6.
01:07: I'm reading from the Legacy Standard Bible for the choir director with stringed instruments, but I'm not going to play anything.
01:15: Okay. While we do this. Well, we do have a box of harp, like a lap harp. Yeah, the lap harp right there. I forgot that was in here.
01:20: Mm -hmm. Do I have a guitar in here? No, that's out there. No, that's out there. Yeah, but I'm not doing it. Oh, we know.
01:26: They're in the closet. Oh, the guitars are in there. Yeah. Okay. We just moved them. Yeah, I moved them.
01:32: So they survived Bubba. He couldn't get those open, could he? Those cases?
01:38: Not the cases. The ones that are open, though. He was trying to step on them. Oh, like Aria's guitar, which we don't have a case for.
01:45: Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. According to the Shemineth, a Psalm of David, O Yahweh, do not reprove me in your anger nor discipline me in your wrath.
01:57: Be gracious to me, O Yahweh, for I am pining away. Heal me, O Yahweh, for my bones are dismayed and my soul is greatly dismayed.
02:07: But you, O Yahweh, how long? Return, O Yahweh, rescue my soul.
02:14: Save me because of your loving kindness, for there is no remembrance of you in death. In Sheol, who will give you thanks?
02:23: I am weary with my sighing. Every night I make my bed swim. I flood my couch with tears.
02:29: My eye has wasted away with grief. It has become old because of all my adversaries.
02:37: Depart from me, all you workers of iniquity, for Yahweh has heard the sound of my weeping.
02:43: Yahweh has heard my supplication. Yahweh receives my prayer. All my enemies will be ashamed and greatly dismayed.
02:52: They shall turn back. They will suddenly be ashamed. Now, let me ask you as I was reading that, what word did you hear the most?
03:02: Yahweh. Yahweh. So he's continually calling upon Yahweh in his grief, in his distress, and even in his repentance, saying, don't reprove me in your anger nor discipline me in your wrath.
03:16: Be gracious to me, O Yahweh, for I am pining away. Heal me,
03:21: O Yahweh, for my bones are dismayed. So saying over and over again, the name of the Lord, sometimes we will criticize somebody in their prayer, how often they'll say
03:31: Lord or O Father, O Father. You see David do it in the Psalms. That's true.
03:37: Yeah. I think there does. It's just a different way of praying. You know, like everybody has their own way. Exactly.
03:42: Yeah. And what you're comfortable with. And yeah. I think we do need to be mindful of, you know, not just to fill our prayers with filler words.
03:50: We need to be conscious of our prayers and what we're saying. But don't automatically criticize, why are they saying
03:56: God's name so much in the prayer? Praise God. Right. You know, David calling upon Yahweh as often as he does here.
04:04: And one of the other things I love about the kind of the, we're able to look inside David's heart in this
04:12: Psalm. When you read about David, who's this great warrior king, and you have all the enemies who come against them, the way that they do.
04:22: The enemies that come against David, the way that they do. You're talking about his father -in -law, Saul, his own son,
04:29: Absalom. His son. Yeah. Yeah. These people that he loves. People who are close to him.
04:35: Exactly. Yeah. And these are the people that want to kill him. And so what was his heart like in the midst of all of that?
04:42: He's certainly not just, you know, a stoic, oh, more haters. Yeah. You know, and he just does what he has to do as a king.
04:50: In his heart, he's ripped up. Yeah. Crying so much that I don't even have eyes anymore,
04:58: I've cried so much. That's kind of the statement that he makes there. My eye is wasted away with grief.
05:04: It has become old because of all my adversaries. You think of crying so much, you don't even have eyes to cry anymore.
05:12: And so we're able to see the mourning and the struggle and the heartbreak that he had. And yet not completely blaming all those other people.
05:21: I'm such a victim and those people oppress me because the psalm begins with, forgive me.
05:27: Right. That's true. And don't reprove me in your anger. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
05:32: This is not a selfish or self -centered prayer in any way. And then warning the enemies, hey,
05:40: God's heard my prayer. Yeah. So you better watch out. Yeah. God does answer prayers.
05:47: That's right. So when we experience that kind of heartbreak and we come before God and we weep before him, you're following the pattern of King David.
05:59: Yeah. Who wept before God and pleaded for his mercy and asked for his deliverance.
06:05: And that's where we should go with our heartbreak. It's not, I need to deal with this before I come to God.
06:12: God wouldn't want to see me in this condition. No. In first Peter five. I need to fix my own problems.
06:18: You know, I can do this. I can do this. I'm going to handle this myself. Yeah. First Peter five says, humble yourself and cast your anxieties on him because he cares for you.
06:29: It's it's proud to not take your cares before God. It is. But what a wonderful prayer from David.
06:36: And I hope that it's encouraging to you and seeing how often Yahweh's name is called upon that you would call upon the
06:45: Lord in your distresses. Whether it is the anxiety you feel because of unrepentant sin or anxiety you might feel because of circumstances or people that come against you.
06:56: You have all of that here in Psalm six. I have a question. Okay. Kind of.
07:02: Well, this is the episode to do it. Sort of random question. All right. I know. Right. So in the
07:08: Psalms, is it just one like Psalm six, right? Yes. We just read.
07:13: Is that just one prayer or is that different prayers at different times that he's collected together?
07:20: It could be both. It could be that David wrote this in this moment of anguish and distress.
07:26: And I would see that that's the most likely case. All at once. Or could it be that he's taking pieces of other prayers and putting them together in one thing
07:34: Like a daily log kind of thing. Like here's a prayer today. Here's my prayer today. Did he have a prayer book?
07:40: Yeah. Yeah. And write those things down. And surely he wrote even more than what we have in the Psalter. Sure. Yeah. So did he give those things to like, you know, the sons of Korah and say, here, make a song out of this or something to that effect.
07:55: And then they take this piece and that piece and they put it together. I don't know. I was just curious. Yeah. Interesting theory.
08:02: Yeah. But I would imagine most of the Psalms that we sing, that we see that are from David, we're all one song.
08:09: Yeah. That's what I was thinking too, is that it sounds like it's all collective. Like it's from one sitting.
08:15: Yeah. Not just different sittings. And you think about where your mind goes whenever you pray, especially in distress.
08:23: Like how many different things do you end up thinking about? Even if it's one thing that's driven you to this, a lot of times your mind goes to a lot of different places.
08:32: Yeah. It's kind of like, what's that called? Spaghetti? The woman's mind is like spaghetti, you know?
08:39: No, I've never seen that. No. Nevermind. All the ladies that are listening are going, yeah, I got it.
08:45: Yeah. I know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're referring to. It's not just one thought. It's like hundreds of thoughts, you know, like spaghetti goes everywhere.
08:53: So it has all sorts of endings and anyway. Well anyway, all I'm saying is that in his distress, while you have different themes here of repentance, of asking that the
09:04: Lord would deliver from my enemies, of then warning the enemies that God has heard my prayer.
09:09: So you have different things. All of it interconnected. It's not random. It's not just random thoughts that come in, but it just, it also does speak to that tendency
09:18: I know that I've had whenever I'm in distress and praying to God that there's many different things that may come into my mind that I pray, even though it's one thing that's probably driven me to the
09:28: Lord. There's other things that come into that as I wonder if this is connected to that and you know, different things like that.
09:34: Yeah. Just share your heart before God. Yeah. Let him be your one perfect confidant.
09:41: Yes. In all your distresses and anxieties and he cares for us. All right.
09:47: Being the Friday edition of when we understand the text, we take questions from the listeners and you can send those questions to when we understand the text at gmail .com.
09:56: I think I've got four questions or something like that here. One of them is really long. I saved it for the end.
10:01: I figured we would just kind of, you know, throw in some commentary as we're reading that particular email.
10:10: But again, you can send all those emails to when we understand the text at gmail .com. This one's from Sam and he says,
10:16: Hey, Pastor Gabe, going back to the lessons over the transfiguration, which we did a couple of weeks ago,
10:23: I heard a theory regarding the appearance of Moses and Elijah with Jesus on the mountain.
10:31: In the old Testament, Moses and Elijah were the two prophets that the text says God passed before on a mountain.
10:39: In Exodus 34, God put Moses in the cleft of a rock on Mount Sinai and passed before him.
10:45: In 1st Kings 1911, the Lord told Elijah, go out and stand on the Mount before the
10:50: Lord and behold, the Lord passed by. Now here's Jesus standing before Peter, James and John on a mountain and he's transfigured before them with Moses and Elijah appearing with him.
11:04: The theory goes that what Peter, James and John saw was Jesus passing before Moses and Elijah as if they were able to peer through time for where God dwells in his glory, space and time have no meaning.
11:20: And here is Christ standing before them in unveiled glory. The theory might explain how
11:25: Peter, James and John were able to recognize Moses and Elijah. They recognize according to the scriptures what they were seeing.
11:34: Anyway, just curious to know your thoughts on that. Have you heard that theory and is there any validity to it?
11:41: Yes, I have heard the theory before. So do you get what he's saying? Yeah. Do you get what the theory is? Here's Jesus being transfigured before Peter, James and John in unveiled glory.
11:51: He's appearing to them that they may see he is the son of God. He is the one who was sent from heaven and they're able to see his glory manifested right there before before them,
12:01: Moses and Elijah. It says they stand there and are talking with Jesus. Let me go back to the passage as we read it in Matthew chapter 17.
12:09: Behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them talking with him.
12:15: So there's Elijah on one side, Moses on the other. They're talking with Jesus or, you know, however it would have looked.
12:22: The three of them standing together, conversing. Peter answers. This is Matthew 17, four.
12:29: He says to Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will make three booths here.
12:34: One for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah. So Peter knows who these two men are.
12:40: He knows they're Moses and Elijah. And as I joked, you know, they didn't have Facebook back then. Right.
12:45: They didn't have name tags. Yeah. They didn't have yearbooks of the prophets. Like, oh yeah, I remember
12:51: Moses picture from back in the day. And yet they knew who they were.
12:57: And Peter's even offering to build booths for them. So how did he recognize them?
13:03: And what are booths? Well, like tents. Oh, okay. So it's possible.
13:09: So like a place of worship or a place of staying? Well, okay. So it could have been like a tent of meeting sort of a thing. Or it could have been the most likely explanation being that Peter wanted to make booths like in the feast of booths, where the
13:22: Hebrews would dwell in tents, remembering the time that they were sojourning in the wilderness. So it could have been that this was around that time.
13:29: It was around the time of the feast of booths, hence why Peter was suggesting, why don't I build booths?
13:35: Okay. You have yours, and there's one for Moses and one for Elijah. And Peter's just, you know, he's an overachiever.
13:44: Helpful. Yeah. Right. He's thinking, hey, well, I'll build something for you guys. We all just hang out here.
13:49: He's excitable. Right. And thinking, you know, maybe I can prolong this moment too.
13:55: Sure. We can all just be right here. So let me build booths for you guys.
14:01: But anyway, so how do Peter, James, and John recognize Elijah and Moses?
14:08: And what's the significance of those two? When we went through the transfiguration, when we went through Matthew 17,
14:14: I mentioned that the significance is that Moses represents the law and Elijah represents the prophets.
14:21: So you have Jesus, who claimed to be the fulfillment of the law and the prophets back in Matthew 5, is now standing here with the embodiment of the one who represents the law and the one who represents the prophets.
14:33: So hence his standing there and talking with them. Now I've heard this theory before, it's kind of like a time warp, and I have even shared the theory, though in private circles.
14:46: I don't know that I've ever taught it, nor have I, nor did I mention it on the podcast when we were going through Matthew 17.
14:54: So what's the possibility that Jesus is standing there with Peter, James, and John, they're looking through time and seeing those moments when
15:00: Jesus was also passing before Moses on a mountain and passing before Elijah on a mountain, because here he was with Peter, James, and John on a mountain.
15:09: The one thing that throws a wrench into that theory is that according to Luke's account of the transfiguration,
15:20: Jesus is talking to Moses and Elijah about what he's about to go and do in Jerusalem.
15:29: That's what Luke says that they're talking about. And we don't see that in the
15:35: Exodus account or the first Kings account of the Lord passing before Moses and Elijah, which
15:41: I agree the Lord passing before Moses and Elijah would have been Christ. It would have been the son of God.
15:46: The pre -incarnate son of God. So Moses and Elijah knew the son of God. And as they're standing there with Jesus before Peter, James, and John, they're talking about what
15:58: Jesus is going to go and do. The Old Testament doesn't give us any indication that God talked with Moses on Mount Sinai about what
16:08: Jesus was going to go do in Jerusalem. And that certainly isn't the context of the Lord passing before Elijah either in first Kings chapter 19.
16:16: Right. And that's what I was going to say is just weren't they conversing with each other? So yeah, they're talking with one another.
16:23: And it's not like, you know, when Moses saw that Moses saw these other people with him and didn't know who they were.
16:30: And I'll say that again. I'm sorry. Okay. So like whenever Moses sees him, he doesn't see other people.
16:37: Oh, yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Because we have Peter, James, and John are looking into some sort of, you know, window time window or whatever it is to see the
16:49: Lord passing before Moses. But Moses doesn't see Jesus standing on the Mount of Transfiguration with Peter, James, and John.
16:57: Right. I get what you're saying there. And Elijah wasn't there. Yeah. Where's Elijah? Yeah. So, yeah, it just didn't, it doesn't add up.
17:05: So it's an interesting theory is one of those things is fun to talk about, like, what would that have been like in the
17:12: Transfiguration? Because we've talked before about how, you know, time and space to God aren't like time and space to us.
17:20: Right. I don't think time and space are going to have no relevance whatsoever when we get to heaven.
17:27: Because if we have glorified bodies, we're talking about when, you know, when Christ returns, the dead in Christ will rise, our souls will be reunited with our bodies.
17:35: We'll have a body that is transformed to be like his glorious body by the power that enables him to subject all things to himself.
17:43: That's in Philippians 3. So we will enter into an existence that's not like this one.
17:51: But it's not going to be that time and space have no relevance whatsoever. Because we will have a body like he has a body.
17:58: So there's still, that's space, right? Yeah. Your body is a space and it's occupying a space.
18:04: Right. So it can't be that we're just like an ethereal spirit existing in some sort of a spiritual blob that's surrounding
18:12: God for all eternity. That's not the picture of what we will be like. We'll still have bodies.
18:18: So it is mysterious what it will be like. It's hard to kind of fathom what that kind of existence is like, which is why so little is said about it.
18:26: In our existence right now, in our finite existence, we can barely comprehend the infinite.
18:33: Right. Ecclesiastes says God has put eternity in the hearts of man, but they cannot fathom what he has done from beginning to end.
18:41: So, yeah, we can, these things are mysterious to us, which is why we can have these kinds of theories about this kind of stuff.
18:48: Yeah. But we still have to be careful not to go beyond the text. Right. How did Peter, James and John know that that was
18:54: Moses and Elijah? I have a theory about that. Okay. Here's your theory. Here's my theory. So, so after Jesus raises from the dead, he was walking with whom?
19:05: Who didn't recognize him? Well, it doesn't say the disciples' names, but he was with two disciples on the road to Emmaus.
19:10: But they didn't, they didn't recognize him. They didn't recognize him. Until he lifted the veil. Yes. And so wouldn't that explain how, like, if you don't recognize somebody, but if you do recognize somebody, you know, because obviously they didn't know beforehand.
19:27: Right. He opened their eyes. He looks different. Yes. Yeah. So, so they would recognize and know who it is for Elijah and Moses.
19:37: Yeah. That's a good theory. Okay. So he lifts the veil from Peter, James and John that they would just know that's
19:44: Moses and Elijah. Yeah. That's one possibility. I mean, greater miracles have happened.
19:49: Oh, of course. Another possibility is Jesus said, Hey, I want you to meet my friends. Here's Elijah and this is
19:55: Moses. That's true. That is true. And the other one being that the disciples are standing there or, you know, how, whatever their posture was listening to Jesus and Elijah and Moses talking and going, you know,
20:12: Peter looking at James and John going, that's Moses and Elijah. What? Yeah.
20:20: And that also speaks to the fact that, that even though we will be a disembodied soul the
20:26: Lord, if we die and go be with the Lord before his return, we'll be a disembodied soul like Moses and Elijah were, but still recognizable.
20:38: They still had an appearance of men, not just some, you know, ethereal cloud or spirit of some kind.
20:46: I think God understands since he made us that we can only handle so much before feeling that we're totally insane.
20:57: I'm going to have your brain tricks you that that didn't really happen because it couldn't happen.
21:02: You know? Right. So anyway, he just knows our, our limitations. Moses body was not found.
21:09: God buried him, it says. And then Elijah was taken up into heaven. Yep. So that's two people who could totally have their bodies.
21:19: Well, I do think, I do think Moses, his body died. Yes, he died because it had to be the penalty, the consequence for his disobedience.
21:28: So he wasn't taken up like Elijah and Enoch. Right. That's true. But anyway, good question,
21:33: Sam, as you can tell, it's always good to kind of like, uh, pour over these things. Yeah. And I think my mind has, has, um, developed from this conversation.
21:44: Cause we've had this more than once. About how we talk about this. Yeah. I don't know if it was on the podcast, but we have talked.
21:50: Yes. We've talked about it. Yeah. Um, and so my brain has like developed different theories and like, how could this be possible?
21:57: You know? Kind of thing. So. Right. Yeah. But anyway. So just keep thinking about it.
22:02: Doing your research. Read the word. Yeah. You know, there, there is a context in which we have to read
22:08: Matthew because Matthew wrote down what he wrote for his audience in a certain way.
22:14: Like you need to understand Matthew first, but then it's, it's also okay to then go to Mark Luke and John and see what they said about the same event.
22:25: If they wrote about it, uh, the transfiguration you only have in the synoptic gospels. It's only in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, but the, but what did the synoptic gospels say about his transfiguration about him being transfigured before them and then comparing what they said with what you have in Matthew.
22:45: Right. So first you're looking at Matthew, you're understanding the context of Matthew, but then you can look at what the other gospel writers said and bring that into it as well.
22:54: Yeah. All right. Going to the next question. This one actually requested to be anonymous. Okay. So no name on this one.
23:01: Hi Hughes's. I have a few question about church discipline. That was what we just talked about this past week out of Matthew chapter 18.
23:08: So a few weeks ago we were in Matthew 17 on the transfiguration. This past week we were looking at church discipline in Matthew 18.
23:17: This woman says, I've, uh, I've have a few questions I've not seen asked or answered anywhere else.
23:24: How should a Christian relate to one's excommunicated spouse? How should
23:30: Christian parents relate to their adult kids who are professing believers but living in unrepentant sin outside the parent's household?
23:39: Thank you for all that you do. Okay. So we have two questions here. Yeah. Tough ones. If a spouse has been excommunicated, how does the faithful spouse continue, continue to relate to the one who had to be removed from the church?
23:52: And then the other question being, how do Christian parents relate to their adult children who still say that they're
23:58: Christians, but they're living in a way that would result in excommunication, perhaps if they were part of a church.
24:05: And in the sense, you know, the practicality of that is that they are excommunicated. They may have excommunicated themselves, but if they're not in the church, then, then they're out of the church.
24:16: So, uh, so let's start with the first question. How should a Christian relate to one's excommunicated spouse?
24:25: This, I think both of these questions would have a lot to do with circumstances. It's going to be a case by case basis.
24:32: Definitely. First and foremost. And the pastor is the top person
24:38: I would go to, to ask advice from. Yeah. If this is a personal thing, if this has happened to you, then we would both suggest that you talk with your pastor about it.
24:50: That's the one that you are in most communication with regard, regarding how to navigate this.
24:56: Right. Right. And I think they, they would be, I mean, since they were the ones that made a decision to excommunicate them, that that would be helpful in the process of bringing them to repentance back into church, because that's the whole point of excommunication.
25:13: Right. So. So you think about what I said this past week regarding church discipline, that a person who has to be excommunicated from the church, if you get to that step that Jesus says in Matthew 18, 17, let them be to you as the
25:28: Gentile or the tax collector. Effectively what the church has declared is that this person is not walking with the
25:35: Lord. It's not an anthema in the sense that you're going to hell. Right. And there's nothing we can do for you.
25:41: That's, that's your destiny. That's not really the statement the church is making, but the church is rather saying.
25:47: Or shouldn't be making. Yeah. I mean, cause we can't, I can't say of a person that's where you're headed. I mean, that, that final destination is in the
25:56: Lord's hands. That's not in mine. Right. But when it comes to the church being able to verify whether a person is truly walking with the
26:05: Lord or not, based on the evidence, based on us being in fellowship with you based on your own profession of faith, things like that, the church is effectively saying at that point, we can no longer vouch for this person's relationship with Christ.
26:19: Right. And that's why they're being put out from the body. Right. So it's not a declaration that you're going to hell, which is what the
26:25: Catholic church, they would claim that they have the authority to be able to do that. Yeah. No, you're an anthema and you're going to hell.
26:31: That's not what the church is saying, but rather that this person is not living like a
26:37: Christian and because they do not demonstrate any fruit of a believer. In fact, they are in sin that even would result in them not inheriting the kingdom of God.
26:48: Like if you go to a list like Paul shares in Galatians 5 or in 1 Corinthians 6, do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
26:57: And if they're living like those in those list of vices, then that person is declaring that they're not heaven bound by their own actions, by their own life.
27:09: Right. By the fruit. Yeah. You will know them by their fruit. So the church is saying, we can't verify their fruit or what they're producing is rotten fruit.
27:18: Right. So say in a marriage, you have a spouse that's been excommunicated, but the church has decided that the other spouse is.
27:27: Not in sin. Is not in sin. Right. Yeah. So one has to be removed from the church and the other remains with that body.
27:34: So how does the one that remains with the body continue to fellowship with their own spouse who's been excommunicated?
27:43: I should clarify. Okay. They're in sin because all of us are, but not.
27:49: I don't think you need to say that. Okay. I'm like, I got a second. Should I be extra careful with that?
27:55: That statement in sin is reserved for somebody who is walking unrepentantly in sin.
28:01: Fair enough. Yeah. Not that we still have those combative tendencies with the flesh.
28:06: Right. That's not what we're referring to. Right. Right. But yeah, a person who's in sin, like they, they love their sin.
28:12: They're going after their sin. And they won't repent of their sin when they're confronted about it. Yeah. That's what we're talking about with a person who's in sin.
28:18: Well, I think that the instructions that Paul gives in first Corinthians seven apply here to a spouse who is married to an unbelieving spouse.
28:29: Oh yeah. For sure. So beginning here in verse 10, first Corinthians seven, 10 to the married,
28:35: I give instructions, not I, but the Lord. So this is, this is an instruction from God.
28:41: Right. That the wife should not leave her husband, but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband and that the husband should not divorce his wife.
28:54: But to the rest, I say not the Lord. So this is now coming from Paul, but it's wisdom from an apostle.
29:01: Right. So it's not like it's any less the word of the Lord. This is just. It's still in the Bible. That's right. It's, it's a matter of wisdom.
29:07: It's not a binding of the conscience. To the rest, I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her.
29:18: And a woman who has an unbelieving husband and he consents to live with her, she must not divorce her husband.
29:25: For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband.
29:31: For otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave.
29:39: The brother or sister is not enslaved in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
29:46: For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
29:53: Only as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each in this manner, let him walk.
29:59: And so I direct in all the churches. So there's the council. When you think of the instruction that Jesus gave, let him be to you as the
30:08: Gentile or the tax collector, effectively what's being said is he's an unbeliever, right? He's either like the pagans or he's like a traitor, which was what the tax collectors were.
30:19: So you would be regarding your spouse as an unbeliever, in which case those instructions there in first Corinthians seven would be the ones that you want to follow.
30:27: In first Peter chapter five, where Peter says to an unbelieving wife, submit to your husband.
30:34: It's not just to believing husbands that you're supposed to submit to, but it is in the marriage that God has created.
30:43: He's the one that created marriage. Even a believing wife must submit to her unbelieving husband.
30:50: And so perhaps we'll win over her husband, just as Paul is saying right here. And then the instructions given to husbands, this is first Peter three,
31:00: I think verse six or seven, husbands, love your wives at an understanding way as the weaker vessel, knowing that she is a fellow heir with you of eternal life, lest your prayers be hindered.
31:13: So where there's strife in a marriage, there's a hindrance in your relationship with God. But in the case where you have an unbelieving spouse, your faithfulness needs to be unto the
31:24: Lord, understand what he has instructed you to do as a spouse, even in an unbelieving marriage and love your spouse accordingly.
31:33: And hopefully they will come around. Maybe there will be a day that they will repent of the sin that they had to be excommunicated for and be restored back to the church.
31:43: That's what you would hope to have happen. And so live in your marriage as though you can make that happen.
31:50: And then if it's, you know, more of a physical abuse kind of situation, seek help.
31:58: Yes. And again, talk to your pastor. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. You need to be around people that that know you.
32:04: Can give you counsel. Yes. Solid counsel. If it is a situation. If your spouse is doing something illegal, call the police.
32:11: Yeah. I mean, it's not ideal, but you do what you got to do.
32:17: The example that I gave on a Wednesday of the friend of mine who was a drug abuser. It was his wife that went before the elders and said, here's what my husband's doing.
32:28: There was a man in my congregation who got caught in adultery. It was his wife that came to us.
32:34: We didn't know about it if it wasn't for her telling us. So that's happened. You know, it happens that the spouse has to be the one to say, my husband or wife is in sin and coming to the church with that.
32:47: You do that because you love them. Right. Exactly. Because you don't want them to continue in those vices, as I mentioned before, of which it is said, these will not inherit the kingdom of God.
32:59: So wanting them to repent, then it's a good thing to rebuke, to reprove a person in their sin.
33:06: As Proverbs 27 .6 says, faithful are the wounds of a friend, but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
33:14: Yeah. Or in one translation, profuse are the kisses of an enemy. Yeah. Yeah.
33:21: They will flatter you all the while, but it is the. And encourage you in sin. Yeah, that's right.
33:26: That's right. And that's the world. Yeah. That's what the world is doing, encouraging people in sin. So that was the question with regards to the spouse.
33:34: The other one was how should Christian parents relate to their adult kids who are professing believers but living in unrepentant sin?
33:41: This is certainly a different scenario because you're probably, your adult children are probably not living with you.
33:47: Right. Whereas with an unrepentant or unbelieving spouse, you do have to live together.
33:54: But with your children, it's a different circumstance. But you still, like with anybody, you still love them, would want them to repent, would want them to turn back to Christ and come into fellowship with the church.
34:07: The church is a, it's a safety to us. The church protects us from false doctrine, from the ways of the world, from the temptations of our own flesh.
34:17: We need that accountability. Yes. The church needs you and you need the church. Yes. And it'd be a whole body.
34:24: That's right. And that's Ephesians chapter four. So that we may grow up as men and women into the head who is
34:30: Christ and not be tossed to and fro by every shifting wind of doctrine. Yes. By human cunningness and craftiness and deceitful schemes.
34:39: But it is together with the body holding fast to Christ that we are growing in holiness and sanctification and longing for that day when we will be with the
34:49: Lord forever in glory. If you're two in the world, you're not thinking about that day.
34:54: Yeah. You're thinking about worldly things. Yeah. But when you are with Christ and his body, then you're thinking about heavenly things.
35:03: Doesn't it say in the Bible that you shouldn't share meals with the unsaved or something like that?
35:09: So do not even eat with such a one. Right. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 5, comes up in 2
35:14: Thessalonians 3. So how does that apply in your family though? You can't. Because I can't imagine that.
35:20: Yeah. You can't do that with a spouse that you're married to. Right. But with your children, I think there does need to be some ground rules.
35:28: If you guys are going to live like this, you can't eat at this table and you're doing that out of love.
35:35: Right. I was friends with Ryan Dobson about 20 years ago. We used to, we did a couple of tours together.
35:43: So me and my band would open with music and then he would do the speaking. He had a great book that was entitled,
35:50: Be Intolerant Because Some Things Are Just Stupid. That was his first book. Oh dear.
35:56: And so when he came out with that book, we toured together. So Ryan, of course, if you don't recognize the name
36:02: Dobson, he's the son of Dr. James Dobson and he does family talk now with Dobson.
36:08: Dobson had left focus on the family and started family talk with Dr. James Dobson and Ryan was his co -host on that show.
36:15: Oh cool. So anyway, yeah. Back when I had a band, it wasn't quite 20 years ago. It was 16 -ish.
36:21: Yeah. 16, 17 years ago. But anyway, when we, I remember in one of the stories that he shared, how his parents kicked him out of the house and it was because he had gone off to college and lived like a heathen and had squandered his parents' money.
36:38: His grades had dropped and his parents said, we're cutting you off because this was not the arrangement.
36:44: This was not the agreement and you're on your own. And once you can get this figured out, once you can learn some responsibility and you can live in a godly way, then we'll come alongside you again and help you.
36:57: But until then, you've got to do this by yourself. And Ryan said, knowing now, looking back on it, was one of the hardest decisions my parents had to make.
37:08: I might've thought it was incredibly unfair at the time and was mad at my parents, but every night, they're on their knees and in tears praying that their son would repent and come back to the
37:19: Lord. Yeah. And he said it was the best thing they could have done for me because I realized how hard life was when
37:27: I had to do it on my own. Yeah. And did lead him to repentance and became a very godly young man.
37:35: Oh, that's interesting because, I mean, you know, now's the time for families to get together and everything.
37:41: And usually around the holidays. Yeah. And usually families that are not on the same page, if you will, they tend to it tends to blow up, you know, of course, family drama.
37:56: Yeah. You know, it's how that goes. So my family is so spread out across the country and so is yours.
38:03: Yeah. I mean, we just we very rarely get together anymore, but it would certainly be that kind of atmosphere, that kind of climate.
38:09: I've got some siblings and some really strange places right now. Yeah. So I get how that goes.
38:15: And and my parents have been put in this place of having to tell one of my brothers or sisters, not me because I'm an angel, but Gabriel, that's right.
38:25: But having having to tell one of my brothers or sisters, we're not going to support your lifestyle.
38:32: Yeah. So we're cutting you off and you have to repent. Yeah. And unfortunately, that's not been the direction of my siblings have gone.
38:40: So, yeah, still praying for them as well. But I certainly those those of you who've been in this situation, I can relate.
38:46: Yeah, I know how it is. Next question comes from Ray and he says,
38:52: Hi, Pastor Gabe and Becky. My question has to do with Jude one five. Some translations use
38:58: Lord, while others use Jesus. OK, I don't think he quotes Jude here. So let me turn to that Jude chapter one.
39:06: It's only one chapter anyway. And let me just begin reading. We'll go down through verse five, Jude, a slave of Jesus Christ and brother of James to those who are the called beloved in God, the father and kept for Jesus Christ.
39:20: May mercy and peace and love be multiplied to you, beloved. While I was making every effort to write about our common salvation,
39:29: I felt the necessity to write to you, exhorting that you contend earnestly for the faith, which was once for all handed down to the saints for certain persons have crept in unnoticed those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our
39:48: God into sensuality and deny our only master in Lord Jesus Christ. Now, I want to remind you this is verse five, though, you know, all things that Jesus, having once saved a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.
40:08: And then Jude goes from there into talking about angels and Sodom and Gomorrah going after strange flesh in verse seven and so on and so forth.
40:16: So verse five is where we have the statement. I want to remind you that Jesus, having once saved a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.
40:26: OK, that's the verse. OK, so we have in view here and Ray says some translations use
40:32: Lord, while others use Jesus. Jesus saved a people out of the land of Egypt.
40:38: If Jesus is the proper translation, this would have to be one of the clearest biblical verses pointing to the divinity of Christ, since the
40:47: Old Testament points to Yahweh as being the one who performed the actions in these verses. What is the proper translation?
40:53: Is it Lord or Jesus? I'm a longtime listener and really appreciate your ministry. I pray that the Lord continues to prosper your ministry and uses it to bring many into the kingdom.
41:03: May you and your family have a blessed Christmas and may the new year bring much more growth in Christ for you,
41:10: Becky, and your growing tribe. Aww. Peace, Ray. I don't know that Becky's wanting the tribe to grow anymore, at least right now.
41:20: They're getting taller than me, though. We're literally growing now. Haven't added to our numbers in a couple of years, but we are, uh, we're certainly growing up.
41:29: Yes. I'm growing out, but you know, aren't we all? Yeah. So yeah, this is like you said, this is one of the clearest examples that we have in scripture of, of Jesus being the one who had freed the
41:47: Israelites from Egypt. Specifically. It's the son of God. Jude uses the name Jesus here.
41:52: Is that the proper translation or should it rather be Lord? Well, Jameson Fawcett Brown's commentary was written in the 19th century.
42:00: So this is over a hundred years old. And in their commentary, they say the oldest manuscripts and versions read
42:07: Jesus. So Christ is said to have accompanied the Israelites in the wilderness. So perfectly is
42:13: Jesus one with the God of the Israelite theocracy. That's what said there in the
42:20: Jameson Fawcett Brown commentary. John Gill was a preacher in the 18th century. He was a predecessor to Charles Spurgeon.
42:28: Okay. And he said that the earliest manuscripts on this passage,
42:33: Jude verse five, say Jesus. So you can go back through commentaries that are hundreds of years old.
42:40: And even those commentarians, Matthew, Henry, and others will say that the earliest manuscripts say
42:46: Jesus. So why are there some manuscripts that say Lord, it could be, I've talked about this before with those
42:52: Byzantine monks that are just kind of overzealous scribes. And they'll try to insert their own interpretations in there rather than jotting notes.
42:59: They bring the note over into the text and they translate the text that way. So you may have had one monk in there somewhere around the fifth or sixth centuries, probably later than that, who had looked at that and thought, well, it couldn't have been
43:11: Jesus because he hadn't been born yet. So it must be Lord. And the monk probably thought what he was reading was a mistranslation.
43:20: So he wrote Lord in the margin, which eventually got brought over into the text.
43:26: And that's why you ended up with that variation. But the earliest manuscripts do say
43:31: Jesus. It is Jesus who rescued them out of Egypt. And that's not the only place.
43:37: Jude is not the only one that does that. Paul does that. So you think in first Corinthians 10, I do not want you to be unaware brothers that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea and all ate the same spiritual food and all drank the same spiritual drink for they were drinking from a spiritual rock that followed them.
44:01: And the rock was Christ. So Paul says Christ was with them in the wilderness.
44:08: Jude is saying it's Christ. Who's the one that delivered them from Egypt, but both claims are the same.
44:14: It was Jesus who was with the Israelites the entire time from their deliverance through the wilderness and giving them the promised land.
44:23: And so when Jesus comes at his advent, which is what we celebrate this time of year, his first advent, he is coming to that people.
44:32: He has so given himself for, for over a thousand years that he even comes to them and dies for them, gives his life for them for women.
44:42: Remember what we read in John chapter one, beginning in verse 11, he came to what was his own and those who were his own did not receive him, but as many as received him to them, he gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in his name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
45:08: And so we are born again by faith in Jesus Christ. I was looking up, um, what the name
45:16: Jesus meant, because I keep forgetting and, uh, the Lord of salvation.
45:22: Yes. So maybe that's why they've put in Lord as well, because thinking that it can't be
45:29: Jesus, it could be the Lord of, you know, because in Hebrew, his name was Yeshua, right? And Yeshua, the yesh at the beginning is, is
45:37: Yahweh, Yahweh saves. So that could be, that's a possibility.
45:43: Like they were just trying to think it out on their own kind of thing, rather than, Oh, somebody got this wrong.
45:49: Yeah. I mean, we have various things like that, but, but the fact that we're able to trace the manuscripts and identify errors like that, that are over a thousand years old, that actually testifies to the authenticity of the
46:05: Bible that we read today, that it is true that this is accurate. This is accurate, right?
46:11: This is what was originally written. Right. And whereas you have the book of Mormon, where Joseph Smith, the book of Mormon that we have today, we
46:21: I'm saying collective we, but yeah, the, the book of Mormon that we have today is, uh, is actually
46:27: Joseph Smith's second draft. Oh, right. He wrote a manuscript beforehand that got destroyed and, and we don't know what it said.
46:36: Nobody will ever know what it said. Right. It was probably completely different than the book of Mormon that he came up with, uh, with later, but there's, there's no manuscripts to compare it with.
46:46: Right. And same with the Quran. It's the same way. Oh yeah. So there's no early manuscripts to compare it with, even though, you know, there's been changes to these things over the centuries as well.
46:57: So anyway, that, uh, that that's kind of a different discussion, but I still ties in here to, yeah, that's a correct translation in Jude one, five, that it is
47:06: Jesus who delivered them from slavery in Egypt.
47:12: Good question though, Ray. Very good. Okay. Last question here. This is the one that I said was really long.
47:18: So we'll see, uh, we'll see how long this takes us here. When we understand you're awesome to the pastor of Providence reformed
47:27: Baptist church in Casa Gran, no D Arizona and his wife, grace and peace to you from the meek little
47:36: Greenwood, Indiana. Oh, this is beginning like a letter from Paul already.
47:41: You know, that's, that's great. I love the introduction here. Gabe and Becky. I hope this modern day letter finds you.
47:47: Well, the purpose of this message is twofold encouragement and advice solicitation. Thanks be to God for our brother,
47:55: Justin Peters, who by means of YouTube gave a list of recommended channels on a random video.
48:02: A few months ago, it was then that I learned of these what videos and thus this what podcast.
48:08: Oh, cool. Thanks, Justin. Yeah, thank you. I have been sharing and consuming them since that time.
48:14: I bet the first week I watched over 50 videos from your channel because they are so short and packed with solid biblical theology.
48:21: I think to watch all of them takes you less than four hours. Yeah, but it's a lot of information.
48:28: It's a lot of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I've been wanting to go back to the manuscripts on the on the what website so you can read the transcripts from each video on the website and I've been wanting to add in like because there's verses sometimes that will be in the slide that I don't actually read and so adding the verses in there.
48:51: So you got all the cross references. I think you should in the manuscripts. It's about 400 videos, but I'll go back and see if I can't do that whenever I eventually whenever I have time.
49:02: So he says, my wife, a home hospice nurse, bless her heart, also consumes them during her drive in between patient visits.
49:11: You both have been a blessing to our family, and we hope this comes as an encouragement to keep on doing what you're doing.
49:17: I travel for work about 40 % of the time, so I consume the podcast during workouts when
49:23: I'm alone in the hotel gym. It makes running on a treadmill or doing arm curls somewhat tolerable.
49:30: I feel you there. Not my favorite pastime. Yeah, I got
49:35: Becky a bike. She won't ride. I do. Right. You've asked for a treadmill, too. And I've said, no, you got to ride that bike first.
49:42: Yeah, I'd rather have it. I know you're right. I'm not at home whenever you're no, you're riding.
49:47: Yeah, but I know that if my laundry is still on the bike, you haven't been riding. Your laundry has not been on it.
49:53: It hasn't been as long as we've been in Arizona. I can say my laundry has never been on the bike.
49:59: There's been a blanket one time, and that's been it. I just love the joke about you buy exercise equipment to hang your laundry on it.
50:06: Yeah, it's a wardrobe. Yeah, that's right. So an outside wardrobe, a quick praise to share is our daughter of 12 got baptized at our church on Sunday.
50:18: Praise be to God. That's wonderful news. Yes, congratulations. Also, I was curious how you would respond to this situation, asking you as a completely unbiased resource.
50:29: There's a lot of context and baggage here, so I'll try to sum it up in bullet points. Number one, my sister and her husband planted a church about five years ago.
50:37: Number two, they split the preaching nearly 50 50. Number three, they do at the movies a lot.
50:47: That sound you heard was Becky rolling her eyes. That was what that was. I saw that Greg Rochelle, who is the pastor of Life Church in Oklahoma City, and they have numerous campuses.
51:02: I think it's the largest church in the country, if you include all their campuses. But he's doing an at the movies for the
51:09: Christmas season. So they're playing clips of Christmas movies and then exegeting the
51:15: Christmas movie. Of course, not the scriptures, but looking at movies.
51:20: Yeah, you know, this is a it's a decent exercise, because you think of like when Paul had said one of your own poets has said in Acts chapter 17 in Titus chapter one, he quotes
51:33: Epimenides. So the poets have said this and their statement is true, he says of Epimenides statement.
51:39: So you can find truths that are stated by pagans.
51:46: In movies, music, other kinds of art. But why would you do that as a sermon? Yeah, you don't do that as a sermon.
51:53: That's that's a genuine exercise. And in the context of Acts chapter 17,
51:58: Paul's doing it in evangelism. Yeah. In the context of Titus one, he's doing it in instructions he's giving to his pastor on how to evangelize the people that are in that area.
52:08: So it's an evangelism application. This is how you get to know the hearts of the people that you are among.
52:15: Because you can hear the truths that they say. And you know, this statement is true, even though they don't believe the
52:23: Bible or they don't believe in God. Yet they will believe truths that God has established. And so you use those truths to show them, see, you actually know this.
52:32: Right. But you've just not given praise to the one who made it possible. That is
52:38: God, the one who gave us all things. So so it is a good exercise. Yeah, of course.
52:44: To even be reading. Yeah, but not as a sermon. You don't do it as a sermon. You preach God's word in your sermons.
52:51: Or you can use a movie quote as an example. I've done that. I've quoted a movie in a sermon before. Yeah, but it's not the focus of the sermon.
52:59: Yeah, the the movie shouldn't be preaching. The word of God should be preaching.
53:05: Right. So anyway, this brother goes on, John, he says, my wife and I hold the stance as spelled out in scripture that women cannot be pastors.
53:14: That was number four. Fifth, we also hold that the Bible is more than enough. And we don't need
53:19: Hollywood infiltrating Sunday morning. And finally, my parents have attended since launch.
53:28: We can agree to disagree on the above bullet points and still have birthday parties and family Christmas time. While the blunt conversation hasn't happened in so many words, they know where we stand.
53:38: However, recently I discovered something that I feel I cannot keep quiet about. My brother in law said something so outlandish.
53:46: I sometimes will suffer through part of their YouTube broadcasts of their service when I work from home during lunch just to see how they are leading their flock that I had to look it up.
53:56: I found that it was a direct quote from Andy Stanley. And then the rabbit hole opened up.
54:02: It didn't take long to figure out that they are purchasing their sermon content.
54:08: I pray they at least pay for it. And then they are regurgitating it nearly word for word to their congregation.
54:15: They will amend personal stories that Andy tells, but they won't take out some of the jokes.
54:21: It's disgusting to me. If I did the Google Photos thing right, you can find a quick side by side
54:28: I made today to get the gist. On the left side is Andy in 2018 and on the on the other side is my brother in law this past Sunday.
54:39: So they're saying things like identical to one another. And this was what we did exposing Ed Litton a couple of years ago and showing here's what
54:47: J .D. Greer taught and here's what Ed Litton taught. And we put those things side by side and they were saying exactly the same thing.
54:53: Yeah. So then John goes on. Do you have any advice on how you bring something like that to a family member?
54:59: I've confronted mom and dad about it. And their stance is that it's not plagiarism since they purchased the content.
55:05: Many blessings from our family to yours, Gabe and Becky. I would agree that on a on from a certain viewpoint, it's not plagiarism because they are not copying somebody else's stuff.
55:18: They're purchasing that content. They're paying for it. And then that's what it is that they're saying. So if you're looking at it from that vantage point, it's not plagiarism.
55:27: I have a hard time with that. Why is that? Because you're not giving them credit.
55:33: OK, then that's the other part. So from that vantage point, it's not plagiarism. They're buying it. And that's the reason it's being sold is for you to use this sermon content and you can preach it before your church.
55:45: But it is plagiarism. It's being sold for that reason. Yes, that's the that that is the reason.
55:51: That's the reason it's being sold for. So you could not to use as a reference. Right. They don't even want you to give reference to.
55:57: Yeah. OK. Oh, yeah. That's that's how these companies work. Like Dosen, for example.
56:02: Dosen is not expecting you to get up before your church and say, hey, I'm preaching a sermon today that I bought from Dosen. But rather the way that they would increase their the people that buy from them would be word of mouth.
56:14: So you're telling your pastor friends, go purchase from Dosen your sermon material.
56:20: And interesting. And yeah, which is very, very likely what J .D.
56:25: Greer and Ed Litton were doing. It wasn't that Litton was ripping off J .D. Greer.
56:31: It's that they were both getting their sermon material from Dosen. But Greer didn't want to say that he was plagiarizing.
56:38: Of course not. By taking from Dosen. Right. So, you know, yeah, it's wrong that that Litton is doing this, but I'm not
56:44: I'm not going to incriminate myself. Don't be looking at me. He's the one that was preaching. So it is plagiarism in the sense that you're taking it and you're making it look like it's yours.
56:56: You came up with this. This is yours. We were taught that in college a lot.
57:01: And that's just dishonest. Yeah. Now, some will argue, well, like, what about the churches that have a liturgy like you'll have
57:07: Lutheran churches that are all preaching the same thing on Sunday? Well, that's different. Everybody knows they're doing that.
57:13: It's kind of like a curriculum. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That all the churches are following the same thing. And they do that for the purpose of if you for one to control the liturgy.
57:24: Right. So, you know, that what's coming out of the pulpit is not just the whimsy of the pastor. Right. There's somebody over that that's saying this is what's
57:32: OK. Yeah. Yeah. So there's that. But there's also like no matter where you go, if you enter into one of those churches, you're still going to get the same.
57:40: Yeah, that's right. It's like I was in this church last week who preached this message. Now I'm coming this week and I'm going to hear the continuation of this message in another church.
57:48: Right. So that's why our school curriculum works. Yeah. That you can you can go to another homeschool group that's using the same curriculum and you're still caught up on the same same lessons and everything.
58:00: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We just moved. Yeah, it was helpful. So we're able to go from one homeschool group in that curriculum to another homeschool group in the same curriculum.
58:10: And our kids are still there, at least on the same page. Yeah. On the same page with with everything they're doing. Yeah. But that's that's what's going on.
58:17: It is unethical. It is. Which is. That you're using somebody else's material and making it look like your own.
58:24: Oh, yeah. Especially with jokes like, I don't know.
58:30: There's jokes that you tell that I can't deliver. Well, the. Like, just go.
58:35: Yeah. The personal experience stories are really what exposes this as a fraud. Oh, yeah, for sure.
58:41: Because like the one example that we showed with with the whole Ed Litton thing, J .D.
58:46: Greer told this story about something he experienced in Driver's Ed and then Ed Litton sharing the exact same story.
58:53: Now, wait a second. How did y 'all experience this in Driver's Ed? Now, you could also tell that there was one story of something that J .D.
59:02: Greer experienced when he went to Nepal. I think it was. And then Litton shared the same story, but he shared it and attributed it to somebody else.
59:11: It happened to someone else, not J .D. Greer. I think it was Paul David Tripp or something like that. So the possibility, then, is that in the material that was being sold by Docent, that they were citing this as here's something that Paul David Tripp shared.
59:28: J .D. Greer was able to say, I've made that trip and I know no pun intended. I've made that trip and I experienced the same thing.
59:36: So he was able to make it a personal experience story. Whereas Litton was still giving credit to Tripp, who was in the material that Docent was selling.
59:47: So that's why you had what sounded like the same story, but it was attributed to different people. But then when you had the
59:53: Driver's Ed thing, that was like, OK, so J .D. Greer had this experience in Driver's Ed and you had this experience in Driver's Ed.
01:00:01: Who else had this experience in Driver's Ed? Or neither one of you had this experience in Driver's Ed and you're just taking somebody else's story and making it your own.
01:00:10: And that's it's a lie. You're lying. But you you got to understand this in the eyes of the world, because this stuff is getting exposed and you can't keep it a secret.
01:00:21: Right. In the eyes of the world, you look like a total fraud. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you look like a fraud to me, too.
01:00:27: But but I mean, that's that's the you will hear constantly from these guys. The world is watching.
01:00:33: You apparently don't have any concern about that when you're ripping off other people's sermon material, because you can't just simply open up the word and preach the word.
01:00:42: You've got to have some worldly gimmick to try to win people in. And as is often said, what you win them with is what you win them to.
01:00:49: Yeah. And if you give that up, then you've lost your your crowd. That's right. You stop doing the at the movie stuff and the people won't come back because that's what they're coming for.
01:00:57: Yeah. Yeah. We get to talk about movies in church. That's like what almost all of YouTube is built around.
01:01:04: Yeah. Like a good 60 or 70 percent of YouTube is just ranting about movies and TV shows. Yeah, it's incredible.
01:01:10: I I'll go down those rabbit holes when I get on YouTube. And I'm like, there's so many videos and channels talking about these movies.
01:01:19: That's crazy. It's almost like that's all it's here for. But anyway, that's the it's just like a it's like a running commentary on pop culture.
01:01:28: That's YouTube. But yeah, you're right. I mean, of course, John, as you're asking for advice here, like how do you engage something?
01:01:36: Do you have any advice on how you bring something like that to a family member? I mean, really, the the big problem here, of course, purchasing material from somebody else and just regurgitating those ideas, that has some problems to it.
01:01:49: Yes, it's plagiarism, but you're probably entering in a semantic argument over that. Right. The bigger issue is that they're just not preaching
01:01:57: God's word. God's word is not the focus, the showcase in the sermon.
01:02:03: Right. If you'll pardon the crudeness of the word, but it's the focus is on the movie because you're enticing people to come listen.
01:02:10: We're going to talk about a movie. Yeah. And you get to check your church box.
01:02:16: Right. And I got to talk about movies at church today. Yeah. So it's not God's word that's leading the people.
01:02:23: It's cultural commentary that's leading the people. That's really the biggest issue.
01:02:29: And then, of course, you know, the matter that you brought up with the fact that your sister in law is also carrying 50 percent of the preaching responsibility.
01:02:37: I mean, that right there is a is a litmus test that they don't really know and follow
01:02:46: God's word. It is explicitly said in God's word. And I'm preaching on this this Sunday because that's where we are in our series in First Timothy.
01:02:52: I'm in First Timothy chapter two. It's explicitly said that women are not to teach or have authority over a man rather than here to remain quiet.
01:03:01: But here this man is abdicating his responsibility and giving his pulpit over to his wife.
01:03:07: This is the very thing that God had had had rebuked Adam for in the garden.
01:03:13: Because you have listened to the voice of your wife. Cursed is the ground because of you, because you listen to her.
01:03:21: That's really the sin that God highlights when he gives the curse to Adam.
01:03:27: You ate the fruit that I told you not to eat from. But you listen to the voice of your wife. You let her lead you instead of you being the one that was supposed to be leading your household in faithfulness unto the
01:03:38: Lord. And that's a big issue that that's really the bigger issue that's going on here in this matter is negligence of God's word.
01:03:47: Yeah. And, and yeah, I mean, you can, you can bring this up as far as like, what is the, the main point of church?
01:03:56: You know, like I'm, I'm trying to help like lead into a conversation. Yeah. Like, so what are you, what's a good question that would help you lead into this discussion?
01:04:06: Well, what would you suggest as far as that goes? Like how to, how to initiate it. Okay. Do they do this?
01:04:12: What in the world were you doing on Sunday? That's how I would say. So, but you would do this.
01:04:19: Would you call it to a meeting like a special meeting apart from everything else? Or would you invite them over for dinner and set them down and have a discussion about it?
01:04:28: Oh, for me personally, it would be organic. Yeah. So we were planning on getting together anyway.
01:04:33: So this is the, this is the topic I'm going to bring up. Yeah. They say don't bring up politics and religion at family gatherings.
01:04:41: There's that picture. It was always awkward. He's always got to make it awkward. I'm going to make it the most awkward for everybody.
01:04:48: There's a, there's a meme that has a RC Sproul and he's, he's teaching passionately to his class.
01:04:54: You know, he's got his arms out like this and the caption at the top is don't bring up religion or, uh, or politics during dinner.
01:05:03: And then it says me after the, uh, after the appetizer. And it's, you know, like,
01:05:09: I've got my arms out here. Let's get into this. That's right. Let's do this.
01:05:15: But that's me. I mean, you have to assess the situation yourself. You know your parents and your siblings and how you can have that kind of conversation.
01:05:22: Should he have it with the siblings first or everybody? I would talk to my mom and dad first personally.
01:05:28: Yeah. Yeah. And that, you know, that would just be a phone call. Yeah. Cause I've done that before calling my dad.
01:05:34: And yeah, that's true. I have a brother that's in a heretical church. Yeah. And so yeah, my dad and I ranted about that.
01:05:42: Even, even my dad's thoughts are why is he in that church? Yeah. So I was just curious.
01:05:49: That also goes back into my, into the disobedience of my siblings. It's all tied into that earlier.
01:05:56: But I mean, in this case, the parents think that what the siblings are doing is fine.
01:06:02: Right. And that's why you have to have a discussion about it. Of course, as parents, you want to be supportive.
01:06:08: Exactly. You want to be proud of your kids and what they're doing and whatever else, but you can't encourage them in sin.
01:06:14: Right. And this is sin. That's true. Yeah. I was just curious. Yeah.
01:06:20: So I hope somewhere in that, in my own rants, John, that you were able to clean from your, get something useful out of that.
01:06:29: That's right. All right. So next week we're going to try to do something a little bit more Christmas themed since it is the
01:06:36: Friday right before Christmas. Yeah. And if you would like to send questions to our program, anything
01:06:42: Christmas related, send them to, when we understand the text at gmail .com the week after that, we're doing our year end review.
01:06:48: And then the week after that, going down, counting down all of the biggest web videos of the year.
01:06:54: So those are our next three programs, but would still love to hear from you and we'll throw some questions in there too.
01:06:59: Yes, please. All right. Well, let's finish with prayer. Yes. Let's. Heavenly father, we thank you for this time that we have together, that we read your word and discuss these things.
01:07:09: Always good to have discussion. I love good, deep theological discussions. Can't ever get too old to want to talk about our
01:07:16: God and the mysterious ways in which you work. As it said in the book of Proverbs, it is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of Kings to search it out.
01:07:27: And so a wonderful exercise for us to comb over the word of God and come to an understanding of who you are and what you are doing in our sanctification in our world today so that we may exalt you and glorify you as sovereign and King overall.
01:07:44: And may we come to an understanding of how we discuss these things with our friends and family and doing so with charity for, as the apostle
01:07:53: Paul said in Colossians chapter four, let your speech always be gracious seasoned with salt so that you may know how to answer each person.
01:08:01: And may we have that kind of humility with one another as well as the humility we are to have before our
01:08:08: God lead us in paths of righteousness for your name's sake. It's in Jesus name that we pray. Amen.
01:08:22: That was the dog. Was that the dog? That was the dog. Get out of here, dog. I said, make sure to give him extra lovins and let him out if he needs it.
01:08:31: Cause he's going to want to come in here and play with mom. Which I don't see a problem with him being in here unless he starts going.
01:08:39: Yeah. He does that and shakes his head. So you hear his little jangly collar.
01:08:46: He's quieter than any of the other dogs we've ever had. This is very true, but he's still has annoying habits.
01:08:53: I know. Which he does just to get your attention. Like I looked this up. Why do dogs do this? They're trying to get your attention.
01:09:00: It's like the passive aggressiveness, you know, it is. It's very passive aggressive, passive, aggressive dogs.
01:09:10: There was that, uh, that dog we were taking care of the big lab for that one family, they were moving.
01:09:16: And so they had us take care of him while they were in the, in the moving process. I can't remember their name, but we had that big lab at our house on Webster.
01:09:24: Yeah. I was trying to remember the names too, but yeah, he would do that. Like he just poke his head in our bedroom and go,
01:09:32: Oh, come on. I totally know why you're doing that.
01:09:38: Not even my dog. And I know what you're doing. It's better than barking though.
01:09:47: I can hear the barking better than barking. Well, I'll appreciate that. At least when blackie barks, he'll just go before he gets to the loud bark.
01:09:56: So you get a warning. He's about to go. Yeah. Oh yeah.
01:10:04: He's funny as opposed to tank or Sparky. He would just explode right off the bat.
01:10:10: Yeah. Off the cuff. No one had a louder bark than Sparky. I don't think, I don't think I've ever heard.
01:10:16: I don't think I've ever heard a dog with a louder bark than Sparky. He was, he was something else. He was a, he was a good dog.
01:10:24: He just had, he was a dumb dog. He really was a good dog. He was very dumb.
01:10:30: He didn't ever run away. He got out of the fence and he just walked the fence. Yeah. He got out and decided,
01:10:37: I don't like this at all. How do I get back in there? Oh, let me home.