September 28, 2020 Show with Peter Robinson on “The Fall of the Episcopal Church & the Rise of Biblically Faithful Episcopal Bodies” (Part 2)

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Last week, I believe it was.

Yes, in fact, I know it was.

Last Tuesday we began part one of a discussion with our guest today, Bishop

Peter Robinson, on the fall of the Episcopal Church and the rise of biblically faithful

Episcopal bodies.

Today we are going to be entering into part two of that discussion with Bishop Robinson.

He is the Presiding Bishop of the United Episcopal Church of North America, and

it's our honor and privilege to welcome you back for the second time to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio,

Bishop Peter D. Robinson.

Hello there, Chris.

It's great to have you back, brother.

And if you could, once again, give us a summary, especially for the sake

of our listeners who are hearing you for the very first time, give us a summary of the United Episcopal Church of

North America.

America was, he won as a conservative.

When you say that you wanted to place the new denomination

or the denomination of the United Episcopal Church of North America when it was founded

in the moderate to low church category,

would that be as opposed to the Anglo -Catholic tradition that also can

share the title traditionalist Anglican very often, whether they legitimately do that

or not?

Yes.

Really, you have two traditions within the Episcopal Church.

Yes, and as we mentioned last week, it is ironic, and I've

got to be careful not to broad brush our brethren in the Reformed Episcopal denomination, the

Reformed Episcopal Church, but it is somewhat ironic that they were founded

to counteract or to protest against the rise of Anglo

-Catholicism, the Tractarian movement, the Oxford movement.

And yet today you have many in the so -called priesthood of the Reformed

Episcopal Church who are themselves Anglo -Catholic and Oxford movement and Tractarian men.

That

has

to

be rescinded

into

hellclaw.

I see.

Well, I know that I do have friends and acquaintances who either are

still in or used to be in the REC, and please forgive me if

I am wrongly giving the impression to our listeners that everybody in the REC

is an Anglo -Catholic or even leans that way.

I have spoken with men who are faithful

Protestants and faithful Reformed Churchmen in that denomination, and so I just know

that I have spoken with some, even from that very category I mentioned, who are dismayed

by the inclusion of the Pussyates, the Tractarians, the Oxford

movement men.

Yeah, really.

I'm sorry, I didn't understand the last statement.

You get the old church that's rather Anglo -Catholic.

In other words, you see them, as they say, climbing the candlestick too high?

One or two have.

I

would

say

that that

is

true of

those

that

become

weak on

confessionalism

in

general,.

Spanning denominations and fellowships and brotherhoods.

I would say that is true amongst the Baptists who have either never embraced

or abandoned the 1689 London Baptist Confession, also known as the Second

London Confession, or the Philadelphia Confession.

And, of course, you have a really vivid example of utter apostasy

in Congregationalism, where the Savoy Declaration is no longer adhered to or

even viewed as something favorable or.

Positive.

It's shunned like the plague by most who wear the title Congregationalists in this day

and age.

And I say most because there are biblically faithful Congregationalists.

But the United Church of Christ, which has its roots in Puritanism, I believe is by and large an

apostate denomination.

And then, of course, you do have some or most in the PCUSA who have abandoned the

Westminster Confession.

And going back to the REC, one of the reasons why this is a sensitive subject to me, I know that I have mentioned

this before on my program, when my late uncle in

Washington State was considering leaving the

Episcopal Church over liberalism.

He was a staunch conservative.

He was tinkering with the idea of becoming Roman Catholic, because

I don't know if he was not aware of truly confessionally Protestant

Anglican churches, or if the theological issues were above his pay grade.

I'm not really sure what the issue was with that.

But I began a search for REC

churches and other traditional Protestant Anglican churches

near him.

And I had a conversation with a Reformed Episcopal priest who mocked me and

said that I was a moron for being concerned about my uncle converting to Catholicism.

And he actually said, I have more in common with my Roman Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ than

with morons like you.

I was utterly shocked by that,

regardless of where he's coming from.

But I was especially shocked that it was an REC pastor.

I was very naive about the rise of Oxford Movement men in

that denomination at the time.

Yes, and of course, there are denominations and groups that give lip service to confessions

that are meaningless.

I can remember years ago, my friend Michael Horton

of the White Horse Inn, who is a world -renowned Reformed author

in the United Reformed Church of North America, and also a

faculty member at Westminster Seminary, California.

I remember years ago, back in the 90s, I believe it was, that he was interviewing Robert Schuller

on the White Horse Inn, not because he was in agreement with Dr. Schuller, the

late Dr. Schuller, but because he wanted to demonstrate how Dr. Schuller,

although he had a profession of being Reformed, was really far from it in regard to the

historicity of what that word means.

And he, during that interview, declared that he had great love for the

Heidelberg Catechism and the Belgic Confession and the Canons of Dort, and had recited,

by memory, great portions of these creeds.

But it was obvious that this man's theology was in polar opposite to

the core of Reformed theology, which is to reveal the lowly,

sinful, helpless, impotent condition of man, and the high,

exalted, sovereign position of God.

I mean, he was, in fact, in one of his books, declared how one of the greatest sins

of the Church was to make man aware of the sinful condition.

So, there you have somebody who said, with his lips, that he had a great admiration for

the three forms of unity, but in reality, much, if not most, of his own

personal outworking of his theology was light years away from

the Reformation.

Yeah, that happens a lot in Anglicanism.

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And we do have a question from Bishop

Robert S. Bierman, who is the Presiding Bishop of the Reformed

Anglican Church.

He happens to be located in Port St. Lucie, Florida.

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first pastor of Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville, Long Island, New York, now

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But Bishop Bierman, who is in a different but

similar denomination than you, he says, in the

book Divided We Stand by Douglas Bess, we see the history of many of those who broke

away in 1977 from the Episcopal Church.

Many of today's conservative Anglican church bodies trace their roots to the affirmation

of St. Louis.

Back in 1996, I had a lengthy conversation with Archbishop Oliver Lewis,

who was the Metropolitan of the Anglican Catholic Church at

that time.

He encouraged me not to despair as he called the continuing church, the church in the wilderness.

His contention was that until the original founders were retired or

gone, and old rivalries forgotten, the continuing church

would have a difficult time in being the church it can truly be.

Archbishop Lewis reminded me, just like the children

in Israel, it would take 40 years to heal and start to grow.

It had been 40 plus years, and there seems to be the beginnings of more unity.

How can those of us that are biblical and consider low church get to

begin to work?

Whoops, I just lost the brother's email.

Oh, here it is.

How can those of us that are biblical and consider low church get to begin to work

really together, and for some reason it's cut off there,

really together?

And is it not our theology that divides us?

I'm assuming he means Anglican Catholic from biblical low church.

Okay, question first.

Our first break right now.

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as the church shifted over the centuries, how did the role of clergy change in

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Okay, we have another question from Wayne.

How have vestments changed in the biblically faithful Episcopal bodies?

I actually have a follow -up question of my own about that, but if you could.

Well,

basically

for

300 years,

the

old...

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Forgive me for being distracted as I am trying to rectify this audio problem.

I think that I may have finally at least improved my audio,

but that's also the email address to send in a question to Bishop Peter D. Robinson.

We are discussing the fall of the Episcopal Church and the rise of biblically faithful Episcopal bodies.

Our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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And before the break, we were

going over some questions by a listener, Wayne in

Wildwood, Florida, a first time listener.

And I had my own question about vestments.

I had been told and I was wondering if you could confirm this or if you have a different opinion on this.

I was told by a traditionalist Protestant

39 articles, Anglican churchman, that

the reason why Roman Catholic priests wear the typical

clerical collar that most folks are accustomed to seeing them wearing is

because it became a phenomenon, especially I think, if I'm not mistaken, in the 19th century,

perhaps in the 18th, for Roman Catholic priests to actually imitate

or borrow Episcopal and Anglican churchmen by wearing the same

collars that they did.

Now, is that true?

But the Roman Catholics did borrow from Protestants on the clerical collars, though, then.

Yeah, basically, the United King...

One more question of my own on that issue.

I have some acquaintances in the Sydney, Australia diocese of

the Anglican church, predominantly low church Calvinists.

I would be in much agreement with much of what they believe and teach.

And some of them, at least, have demonstrated opposition to

clerical outfits at all.

Vestments and collars and so on.

Now, why is this such an important issue to Anglicans to maintain

vestments and collars and that kind of thing?

By

the

way,

that

is

in

contrast,.

I believe I know what you're speaking of.

You're speaking of the warehouse appearance that many megachurches have

as opposed to the simplicity of the historic low church Anglicans.

Right.

Where there were no statues and no fancy candlesticks and

altars and so on.

You're not talking about that.

You're speaking of the warehouse appearance.

Yeah, if you've

gone

into an 18th century Anglican church, very

often two rooms.

That's interesting that you said that because my friend who I mentioned the last

time you were on, my dear friend, Reverend Jacob Smith

of the parish of Calvary St. George's in Manhattan, a low church,

Reformed Calvinistic 39 Articles Episcopal Church.

He was lamenting during my tour of the

St. George's building in contrast with the Calvary building.

They are two different facilities and one happens to be a higher church appearance and more ornate, even though the

worship is still today low church.

The St. George's parish was Stephen Ting's design of being very simple and low

church.

But he said that, I believe it was in the 1970s, the rector there who was an

apostate and liberal tore down the original 10 commandments

banner that Ting had on the wall there behind the pulpit.

Yeah, well, the 10 commandments were...

Who is our listener who has written these three questions, added a fourth, and the reason I'm going

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He asked, what was the name of that used bookstore that I mentioned earlier?

Number one, it's not a used bookstore.

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And Wayne's final question is, it appears that the recent Supreme Court nominee is

going to be attacked because of her Catholic dogma.

Why should this concern biblical faithful Christians?

And obviously the Catholic teachings that she's being attacked for

are not transubstantiation or the primacy of the papacy.

It is her views against abortion and same -sex marriage and other things.

That's really what she's being attacked for.

But if you could answer Wayne's question on that, why should Protestant Anglicans,

39 Articles Churchmen, why should they be concerned about this Roman Catholic

appointee or nominee for the Supreme Court?

But when it boils down to it, though, the reason why

Bible -believing evangelicals, even those who theologically oppose, vehemently

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are issues that are shared by Bible -believing Christians.

Right.

I mean, there's a moral...

And as I've said, as far as I'm concerned also, on the flip side of the coin, although I

believe to a certain extent in co -belligerism, I believe in working

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I do not believe in what is called modern ecumenism, where during

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organizations, you have people who believe in the gospel linking

arms with those who reject it and are both presenting themselves as a

united body of Christ.

I am very opposed to that latter idea that blurs the importance of the gospel.

But by the way, thank you very much, Wayne.

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We have Robert in Waynesboro, Virginia, who says, given the

American Christian, Protestant, and even revivalism, to what extent do the Anglo -Catholics

help or hinder Anglican evangelism and discipleship that would build up the

size of congregations?

And another question I would like to add to that is, should that be necessarily a major concern about building the size,

especially at the expense of teaching?

I think you just did fine.

And we have to go to our final break right now.

It's going to be much more brief than the last two.

If you intend to join us with a question of your own, please send in your question immediately because we're rapidly running out of time.

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This is Chris Arnzen, and this is our final segment of today's interview with Bishop Peter D.

Robinson of the United Episcopal Church of North America.

We have been discussing the fall of the Episcopal Church and the rise of biblically faithful

Episcopal bodies, and our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

If you have a question you'd like to ask before we run out of time, we have Richard in Lawrence, Kansas.

Regarding the slide of Anglicanism into liberalism, what do you see as the series

of causes that precipitated that?

And obviously that was what we've been discussing, especially in part one that was last

week, your interview that was last week.

But I know that you had said during that interview the primary cause, in your opinion, was

a lightening of the seriousness of confessionalism, in this case the

39 articles, which were lowered in their significance, if not altogether abandoned.

Yeah, I mean, it's partly the decline of

Catholic racism.

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We have John in Bangor, Maine, who says, where do you

place the charismatic Episcopal church in the fall category

or the rise of biblically faithful Episcopalian category, or a bit of both?

That's interesting that he asked that.

I have friends and acquaintances in the charismatic Episcopal church, some who seem very

sound, other than our differences, our major differences on the charismatic gifts.

I am a cessationist myself, but I also have encountered very Romish Oxford movement

folks in the charismatic Episcopal church who I remember having years ago an online

argument with one of them because he believed in prayer to Mary and the saints.

I don't know how common that is amongst charismatic Episcopalians, but if you could comment.

Interesting because I know at least one

charismatic Episcopalian priest who has actually returned to the

Pentecostal denomination he originally came from, Church of God, Cleveland, Tennessee,

who is very, very opposed to the ordination of women.

And he said that it largely had to do with the ministers

presiding over the Eucharist.

And according to him, that was impossible for a

female in the church to lead and be involved in that

ordinance or sacrament of the church.

But anyway, it's interesting that you say that.

Yeah, I think

one of

the

things

that...

Well, we are out of time.

Actually, I'm sorry.

I would like you to have a minute of uninterrupted time, at least a minute, perhaps a minute and a half to

summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners in regard to the fall of the Episcopal church and

the rise of biblically faithful Episcopal bodies.

The fall of the Episcopal church was called by...

Well, Bishop Robinson, I want to thank you so much.

I know that if you are willing, I would love to have you back as a frequently

returning guest.

You have been utterly fascinating to me and edifying.

And I want to make sure that our listeners have the website for the United Episcopal Church of North

America, unitedepiscopal .org, unitedepiscopal .org.

And I'm also going to repeat the website for Solid Ground Christian Books, since they do carry quite

a bit of historic Anglican literature that they have brought back in the print and even some contemporary things,

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And I want to thank everybody who listened to today's program, especially those who took the time to send in questions.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater savior

than you are a sinner.