Final Road Trip Program for This Trip

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Well, greetings I said mute Oh gotta work on that, uh, welcome to the last of the

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Road trip dividing lines for a little while. Anyways, I'm home for a While and then we have two trips

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I think within like two weeks If we've got anything really got to work on on the unit

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We're gonna have to get to it fast between those two. We've got some big big things going on. I'm gonna be in st.

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Charles The first weekend December is normally I don't know if you've noticed this yet, by the way, you can tell this is the last one

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I'm not even worrying with I'm not standing up there trying to hang anything up We I've come up with a pretty good idea how to take care of the background issue in the future

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Fairly little bit easier than what we were thinking about doing anyway um Yeah, so, you know if an

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RV goes by or someone walks their dog or something like that Hey, I am live in the back of the mobile command center, and we've been doing this for a few years now

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So you're you're probably used to it. I would imagine it looks like everything's working over on the all the technical stuff

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Anyways gonna be in st. Charles and We're gonna be talking about the

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LGBTQ revolution just one of the many aspects of the culture of death and If you're making plans for the holidays as I discovered

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Thanksgiving is really late this year. I think it's the 28th So very short holiday season between Thanksgiving and Christmas, which means we have to start

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Christmas music pretty much right now I talked to my wife about that anyway It is gonna make it hard to travel to get to st.

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Charles in time And not miss Thanksgiving with my family. I'm gonna do my best, but it may result in some long long travel days

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To get that all that all done and get there when I need to be there Anyway, so keep that in mind if you're making travel plans very very late

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Thanksgiving this year Would love To have a debate on that subject there in st.

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Charles. I keep getting keep asking this one guy, you know you know, he's supposed to be this great salesman, but man, it's been like 20 years and He has completely struck out on getting any debates

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Over 20 years and so it makes me sort of wonder if he was just all that great a salesman to begin with But he may be watching or we'll watch later.

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I'm not sure I know his granddaughter Anya's over this evening is wondering what

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Star Trek Episode will be on he's at least he's done. One thing right is he's gotten his grandkids on the original

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Star Trek and And and that's that's a that's a good thing. Hi Anyway, so we'll be heading there and on the way back

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We'll be in prior, Oklahoma as well With brother

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Derek Melton, which reminds me. I think rich said there's a week and a day left in The raffle for the beautiful beautiful beautiful Derek Melton forged

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Knife that is you can see at a omen org buy your tickets. And again, that's helps to Offset the cost we encountered in moving into this unit from a defective unit that I'm not gonna spend time talking about all that today, but Thankful to everyone who has helped us to to make that to make that change and To be out here doing what we're doing.

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I'm in northern, Arizona. I could have pushed through to home Though I'll be honest with you the storms that I was driving into were

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Substantial and so I was glad to be here when they hit and not on the i -40

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Especially when you got crosswinds one of the things if you're not if you don't drive something big you don't think about The crosswinds and how much those semis move and how much

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I move. I'm about size of a semi and so you you know, you get you've got to be trusting all the people around you and That's a hard thing to do sometimes

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So anyways, Lord, will I get home tomorrow even though there are some challenges on the other road tomorrow construction challenges tomorrow and some pretty steep downhills

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This is the lowest I've been altitude wise Since I left four weeks ago, and I'm still at 5 ,300 feet.

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So I'm about the same as Denver But this is the lowest I've been I've been 6 ,000 7 ,000

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The whole trip at least as far as where I was staying and They're riding up to over 12 ,000 feet above sea level

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So lots of oxygen all of a sudden down here and it's also warmer. That's for sure. So I'll admit

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I'm Want to see the wife want to see the kiddies the kids the grandkids folks at church rich not so much we talk all the time anyways, um and But I'm not looking forward to the heat

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It's been pretty nice missing the hundred and eighteens and stuff like that I've gotta admit, but you gotta get home sometimes so before st.

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Charles and the LGBTQ stuff That that's the topic of the conference at Grace Covington Church coming to Grace Church Will be the

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LGBTQ revolution like I said would love to have a debate we just They just know they have the media and they have the culture so why would they do it?

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It's just a negative negative for them. That's why they dodge everything now and we'll debate the subject but before that trip

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I will be Doing a debate in Mobile, Alabama Tom Riello is the opponent that I'll be debating on the subject of the mass.

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I think I mentioned last time It's actually a very strong statement that Roman Catholic Mass is the only only true way to worship

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God I think is what it was So that'll be interesting and then on the way back from that Will be the fight laugh feast thing in Fort Worth where I'll be speaking on America's need to repent of her love of secularism, so That will be interesting and hopefully helpful to everybody and then

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I'm home Like I said a couple weeks and then Thanksgiving and the next day I mean, I'll I'll have to be ready to go on Thanksgiving and pull out that Friday To get to st.

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Charles in any type of comfortable way. So we've got a lot more going on the rest of the year

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Lord willing and Of course by time In fact,

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I think yeah, I'll be getting home or Man I'm not even sure anyways the elections in there somewhere and I Live in Maricopa County, so it doesn't really matter for me, but that's sort of how it goes

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Want to get to a number of things I I actually threw out a

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Thing on Twitter to say hey if any of you want to ask some questions, but I realized it's

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Saturday and So I Realized that People don't do things normal things on Saturday.

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They're not watching social media And things like that probably not watching the dividing line and and all that and that's that's fine, but Road trip road trips road trips and you you do it when you can when you can do it

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So that's what we're doing now. And if if I get done early I get done early. That's all there is to it

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I did want to at the end of the pro end of the I want to do this in the last program and I Neglected to do so, but I I think it is really important.

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We love the local church. We exist to serve the local church I had the opportunity of preaching on the

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Lord's Day in three local churches on this trip

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I was at some Summit Lake Community Church, it's outside of Dolores, Colorado It's in I it's in the town starts an

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M I had it I had all this written out before and I forgot to do it last time and Pastor Rob Velez or Vela's I just knew

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Rob so we didn't do the last name stuff, but so I apologize as to where to put the emphasis on the syllable and We're hoping to Get to do something again next year

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Something a little bit more than just preaching on Sunday do a Conference mini conference something along those lines if you're in that South Western corner of Colorado beautiful area rather sparsely populated but a beautiful area and So if you're in that area, you might want to visit folks there at Summit Lake Community Church then we went to Breathe Reformed Baptist Church in Colorado Springs Pastor James Medina, and that's where we had the debate with Alex who by the way

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I Had lunch with yesterday At a truck stop.

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Okay. I gotta go truck stops. This is a big unit I I have a fleet card

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We got to go through the diesel lanes and get deaf and all that kind of stuff so we found

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I I picked out what looked like a Good When you have a fleet card

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There are only certain places you can go and so you have to look at the app and make plans and things like that So I picked this place out just because it looked like a good good spot as I was going through Albuquerque I was going from Raton to grants in New Mexico and Lo and behold,

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I sent the information to Alex and he says I'm I live about five minutes from there and I used to work there I had

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I had actually picked a place to meet that he had worked at like ten years ago or something like that Work security there.

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So I was like, oh cool We should should be able to meet up that way and we did spend almost two hours

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Had wonderful conversation You know, one of the things he said to me was

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That He's watched almost all my debates at least I think he probably means with Roman Catholics But I think he has watched some others too and I've obviously had a real influence on what he thinks debates should be

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Because we really agree And that's I think it's one of the reasons why things went so well

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In that first debate there in Colorado Springs Of course pastor

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Medina and all the guys there found out just how much work there is Putting together something like that working with the other side arranging things scheduling

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It's a lot of work and so I'm very thankful for all the work that was done there in putting that together there in Colorado Springs and Then of course the last church that I was at for the debate last weekend

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Was New City Church in Denver Aaron Carlson seems to be probably my future

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Contact place You know It's nice to have a church in an area where you don't necessarily are always there but that's your sort of go -to situation and we had a great time there with pastor

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Carlson and his folks and I've already talked a little bit about the debate and We'll let that go but I wanted to thank all these local churches for everything that they did to make this whole thing work that's why we do what we do and Let you all know about those churches if you are looking for a place you're moving there

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Whatever the situation might be to know those excellent churches that are in that in that particular area

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Real quickly. I'm gonna be on with Jeremiah Nortier. That's how you say it in French.

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I mean the apologetic dog webcast like half an hour after we finish this program and Well, I'm thinking it's 513 here right now, so at 630

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I think Actually, I need to double -check the email that he confirmed on that yeah, there it is and Okay.

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Yeah, he says good on that and there is a really cool graphic that He had now if I could find it

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Oh I had trouble opening that within this program. So I'll not worry about right now, but there's it's really nice I I should have posted it on Twitter, but I Had too much to do to get set up and stuff.

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But so I'm gonna be joining him on the apologetic dog We'll be talking about all three debates I've talked about the first two debates here on the program just briefly because I want to get to the

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Active and passive obedience of Christ topic today that popped up on the program

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But I haven't said anything about The debate with Jared Longshore that we did just a few days ago.

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I mean that was Wednesday evening and I Think most people

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Watching that debate recognize you're you're listening to two people who have respect for one another and get along with one another and are obviously seeking to accomplish many of the same things as far as the

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Building of the church and the kingdom of God, but we have fundamental differences. I Couldn't be an elder and well, you know

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CREC that's different But for most churches I couldn't be an elder in their church and vice versa because we have fundamental differences in our understanding of The New Covenant who's in the

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New Covenant? what baptism is what it means what it symbolizes and yet,

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I think what bugs a lot of folks is We can have

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Meaningful conversations and Differences as I have in my debates with Doug Wilson over the years

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Had a debate just within the past couple of years on pieto communion now Jared Longshore and I are debating the

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New Covenant which is debating baptism Fundamentally and It bugs a lot of people that we we can do that without The cancellation that is normally the

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By -product shall we say of theological controversy and difference and The the fact the matter is

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I can disagree with and get along with Doug and Jared and Toby and Gabe and chocolate

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Knox When I can't get when I can't do that with a lot of reformed

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Baptists And I don't just mean the weirdos that I was blocking last week with their red and blue eyes and Hitler wasn't all that bad of a guy.

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Um, I'm talking, you know Accepted well -known well -known people.

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I think that bothers people That we're able to do that in in some fashion, but yeah, you can disagree without getting canceled

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Within that context and that's uh, that's a good thing. I think it's good thing There are a lot of people think it's a bad thing.

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Um It went exactly as I expected it to it if you had listened to If you had read his articles and listened to my responses on the dividing line

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We were in the old the other studio and the previous incarnation of the mobile Mobile command center, which

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I assumed I was going to be in for many many years anyway That's where I did those responses

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So I was coming back from st. Charles last year and we went in -depth into Romans now

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I spent hours doing that so I was able to do it much more slowly on the dividing line.

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You know, you only have What do we have 15 or 20 minutes I forget what it was as far as the opening was concerned but You know probably couldn't get quite as in -depth but I Pretty much got to everything

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I wanted to get to I got to say everything I needed to say and My feeling basically was

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Jared said yeah that Hebrews text that's that's your That's your strong suit, but I'd go over here and I'd go over there and I'm like I Think it is important to say that There was an illustration of where I go

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But guys, that's not how we do it in other areas when we agree when when me and Jared or my

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Presbyterian brothers are dealing with Roman Catholicism and We are debating a

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Roman Catholic on Justification if Alex and I debated justification, okay, I Really like Alex as as rich said when

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I talked to him on the phone a couple days ago He says that's a classy guy. And I said, yeah, he is really is.

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So let's say Alex and I debated Justification. What would that look like? well,

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I've debated justification with a number of Roman Catholics in the past and What fundamentally happened is

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What the reform do is we go to the main and plain texts and I would argue

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Roman Catholics don't even have the freedom to determine what the main and plain texts are Rome sort of tells them just not infallibly

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Anyway That's another subject but We're gonna go to Romans One through five basically and then maybe tie in some from eight and because it's it's a you go to the places where you

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Have verse after verse paragraph after paragraph and this is a situation chapter after chapter

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Directly teaching on the subject at hand and what Rome does is they will grab a verse over here and so we've got

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Wisdom is justified by her children. There is justification That's not what

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I'm talking about Paul's talking about how we are made right before God. He's talking about justification what it means to be justified

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He's talking about the atoning work of Christ talking about faith. He's talking about works. He's talking about all that stuff

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In that one text and all of us reform guys who would go Yeah, you go to the main part and I use this illustration.

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In fact, I remember coming up with this illustration I'd better get this out here before I forget these things.

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Um, I was writing a Little book Called justification by faith for crown publications.

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This is this is when I first started writing books Crown had said we'll publish whatever you write.

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And so I'm Writing these books and I I went up to Joe Charles's Cabin in Prescott this beautiful home up in Prescott and He let me go up there for a couple days and it's just all to myself

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So I'm up there just writing writing writing and that's where I came up with The illustration of the the car manual and I Think most cars still come with a printed manual.

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I mean, I'll have the PDF version and stuff like that But you used to have in your in your glove compartment all dog -eared and yellowed by the heat and the various years that had been in there a

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Manual for your car. I remember when I got my first Subaru in 2019. My wife drives it now man, that It's like that thick it was huge Which is why it's easier to have a

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PDF now as you can search it but you'd get a manual and It would have an index and I use the illustration.

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I said, you know if if you want to know about the lights in your car You might find references to the lights in the section on the battery and maintenance part numbers and and Electrical system all that kind of stuff but you start by going to the section on the lights

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Okay, here's the discussion. This is how you turn them on turn them off high beam low beam, which used to be your left foot

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Remember that little click click click click. Yeah, okay. It's all I am. Um Young people go what is he talking about?

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Oh don't even start Mmm, you'd start with a section on the lights.

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You don't you don't go to section on the battery and Then interpret the whole section on the lights in light of a few words in the battery section

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That's not how you do it Of course, there might be some people who drive their cars that way but but it's ridiculous

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But that's how we treat the Bible and that's how Rome does it in Justification Okay, it's just one little section but yeah, you got the big section but it doesn't matter that's how that's what we're gonna do

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So I came up with that illustration I remember I remember what the kitchen looked like in that in that when

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I say cabin we're talking luxury home here So it's just this beautiful beautiful place massive mansion up and up in the woods and Prescott So, I remember coming up with that and I would think that all reformed people would agree with me

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That you'd go to the main and play when you've got verse after verse chapter after chapter

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That's where you go and that has to determine how you interpret everything else What's the longest section we have in the

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Bible in all the divine revelation on On The nature of the

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New Covenant the establishment of the New Covenant The relationship of the New Covenant to the atoning work of Christ the priesthood of Christ and his intercessory work

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Anybody want to guess? It's Hebrews 7 through 10. And so that has to take precedence

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Over any kind of well, you know These aren't biblical phrases, but you know, we have this kind of Covenant and that kind of Covenant to this that thing and and it's like Okay, that's all fine and dandy, but you start with Scripture.

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So in other words What you saw in that debate is I'm still a biblicist

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I'm a biblicist on the Trinity. I'm a biblicist on the nature of God. I'm a biblicist on justification predestination election

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Resurrection. Hey eschatology, and I'm a biblicist on baptism the

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New Covenant intercession atonement yep, I'm a biblicist always have been always will be and You can try to make me feel guilty about that all you want and it

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Because that's what we've been From the start I'll make I said last time what an alpha what the dividing line mean

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When we came up with that for the title of both the radio program and the newsletter long long back in the 80s early 80s

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What did that mean It meant that the dividing line is between those who believe that God has spoken and his word is sufficient and Those who not believe

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God has spoken and his word isn't sufficient And That can be Christian groups that can be non -christian groups, whatever atheists, whatever.

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That's the dividing line Always will be always has been and so there we are.

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So I was the biblicist in that conversation and Shouldn't be anything surprising about that So, I think like I said, but I really like to do is

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I'd like to create a page With the 13 sermons

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I did at Apologia on baptism the debates with Greg Strawbridge Bill Shishko on Baptism there were two debates

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Strawbridge one was on radio and one was in person in was that 2015 or 2016?

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I think it was 2016 anyway Um the late Greg Strawbridge, she's not with us anymore Um, I suppose we might throw in the the panel communion debate just for color

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And of course this debate with Jared would all be linked to there and Once again, let me just mention something here

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Joshua Hames and I felt sorry for Josh He had asked us to do this and I'm you know

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I found the time to do it at the end of my time in Denver and I wanted to do a debate from in here

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Just to see how it would work. And I think when we make some of the changes we're gonna make in Next few days.

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It'll speed up and May make more consistent Utilization of where I'm sitting here right now and being able to put things together fairly quickly and use it more often

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Um but Joshua Hames had been a

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Baptist and converted to Pato Baptist. So that's why I wanted to do this and So when he contacted me and asked me to do this once again with the

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Shishko debate with Strawbridge both Strawbridge debates with this debate.

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I was the one contacted by the Pato Baptist side to do the conversation and I I keep emphasizing that only for the reason that I'm not chasing

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Presbyterians around demanding that they debate the subject a and B haven't

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I said everything I need to say on this by now. I Mean, I know it has to be discussed with every generation

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It really does But I'm tired of it personally I You know people are like hey,

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I wanted to make sure it's like why What what what do you think?

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I'm gonna say something different Do you think you've come up with something different if you've come up with something completely different?

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It's probably wacky You just don't know it You know for like 30 years now, which has been answering the phone from ministries.

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He's heard all the wacky stuff I Think what he needs to be thinking about doing is writing a book the wacky things

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I hear on the phone He's protected me from all that stuff even though social media

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I get hit with a lot of the wacky stuff But if you think you've come up with something new, do you really think you've come up with something that Bill Shishko?

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Orthodox Presbyterian Church pastor brilliant guy bright guy great debater Greg Strawbridge two different debates that we did with him on the subject

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Jared Longshore You know, and I've been responding to Doug's position for a long time

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Jeff Neal my dear friend I wrote you know, we probably would need to add. Yes.

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Yes. Yes. Yes We add as some of the written material for the baptism tab or thing the two -part

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Series I did articles that I did in response to Jeff's article in one of those one of the many infant baptism books on the nature of the

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New Covenant which Pretty much what we talked about on the on the program with with Jared so What more do

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I need to say? I know all the arguments the other side knows all the arguments

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We joke it we all we semi jokingly say yeah, well if we're all really post -millennial us

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Eventually, we're all gonna agree on this and of course I say yeah eventually you guys are gonna give up your traditions You're gonna recognize and I did get to say this in the thing with Jared.

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I said fact of matter is the position that is being presented as Covenantal paid of baptism amongst reformed men today and I realize the topic would be completely different with the

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Lutheran With most Anglicans certainly with Roman Catholics.

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He's an Orthodox completely different At least in this situation

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I'm able to press for consistency from my fellow reformed believer On what we believe about the

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Atonement Particular redemption the whole nine yards that makes a huge difference massive difference

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But I said that what's being presented today is Reformed pedo -baptist theology is a theological novum

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It did not exist in Church history until the 16th century now you might want to say well someone came up with it before Calvin Bollinger, but Until the 16th century infant baptism once it arose it was not not

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Not at the stall Sorry church history Not your friend there

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When it arose it was emergency baptism due to disease almost always the inscriptions demonstrate that the whole inert

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But when it did arise and then when it became predominant It was for the forgiveness original sin and It's not the covenantal pedo -baptistic

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Understanding that's a theological novena. It's a new development and I understand why that development took place despite what

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Stephen Wolfe says the Reformers were sacralists and One of their errors

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Was in regards to the relationship of church and state there was a mixture of spheres of sovereignty

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There was in Calvin's Geneva and there are a number of examples of it surveyed us was an example of a sacral error a mixture of Government authority and church authority and those aren't easy issues, but the point is that's where they were and Baptism had a function in establishing the citizenship of the state and That's not an apostolic teaching about the nature of the covenant.

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It's just not that's how it is So, I believe that if they hadn't been in that historical situation there would be we'd be having a different conversation today and So I got to I got to make that make that reference so that out there

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Toward the end of the program and so I Think I've said pretty much everything

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I need to say about the subject That doesn't mean if some of my church comes up to me and asks

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I'm not gonna reiterate things and things like that But how many times can you say the same thing over and over and over and over and over again as far as?

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You know some young gun comes up and he wants his his shot Okay, so I really appreciated getting to do that with with Jared Jared's a wonderful guy and you know,

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I should be very thankful for the guys in Moscow because they actually are willing to Be seen in public with me and things like that and fact matter is there's a lot of Reformed Baptists that won't

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So there you go Who's Small C Catholic and who isn't is is the question there.

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So yeah, I was very very thankful for that and I thank Joshua and Saying about Joshua Haynes is you know, so he's a pedo -baptist.

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He was the one that asked me to do this So I've always always been pedo -baptist. You're asking me to do this

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I felt sorry for Joshua because I did not know I just sent I just sent him an email It said hey, is there a live link for this because people were asking

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Anytime I do a debate people is there gonna be a live links would be a live link and we we try to put it out there I Did not know that he had never done his webcast live on YouTube so That's a lot to throw at somebody on short notice and I felt sorry for him because there were some technical issues and Jared and I just sort of rolled with it.

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We just had fun with it That's the thing about Jared and Doug and Cross -politic guys you know, he was having technical issues and so Jared and I just started shooting the breeze and Talking about this.

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I got that You know that if chocolate Knox and I were doing something That's what we would do Gabe and I you know

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Gabe came down to Apologia and debated one of our deacons Brilliant young young man.

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We're so proud of at our church. He made one of our deacons and And Southwest Airlines lost his luggage

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So he's in a t -shirt and all the rest of stuff, you know, Gabe's pretty much unflappable, you know, he just he's like Yeah, you know, hey

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Whatever. I'll just I'll do my thing That's how that's how we are

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And that says something about the relationship and about what we believe actually defines things

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What's really important really matter? so we just sort of Covered over for when

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Josh was having some issues and like hey, let's keep talking. All right, it's cool, you know And so it but it went

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I thought it worked really well You know the technical stuff really did not get in the way of the content at all

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So Joshua don't don't even sweat any of that. I'm sorry. We put that extra pressure on you To do it live, but a lot of people really enjoyed watching it live

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At that time too, so so very much appreciate all that now One more thing before I go to the active and passive obedience of Christ I am

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We are entering a time period in Global history that We've been warned about George Orwell saw it coming.

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He was just off on the years. He was off by 40 years But it's here in the

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UK We're watching this we watched it in Canada already. It's already happening in Australia and New Zealand Where you the the full force of government?

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Enforcement and everything else is thrown at the citizens of the country Rather than foreign invaders

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If you dare Complain about If you if you dare complain

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About non -citizens who have invaded your country raping and murdering you'll end up in prison

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This is This is what Orwell, you know Solzhenitsyn said that a mark of communist world view is to not punish criminals

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But to punish the citizens who complain about the criminals behavior and that's what we're seeing

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We're seeing it here in the United States people burn down cities burn down Minneapolis attack federal buildings and What is the federal government do they go after?

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Parents who complain about boys and girls bathrooms at school meetings. It's this is the playbook of Marxism of leftism and We are seeing it all around the world.

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But now what we're seeing and I've said this but now we are seeing this

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Right in front of our eyes You can't trust what's in front of your eyes.

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I know I Was just seeing

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Over the past 24 hours that And at first I was like nah

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I've seen a lot of people retweeting it. And so I there was a picture of Harrison waltz to Anti -american

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Marxist enemies the United States who will probably be in charge the United States Through I believe

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Completely corrupted and stolen election. I just don't the deep state's not gonna let go and So they're acting like they've already got it and I think it was reason why they are anyway, um, they're

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They're walking down the stairs of their jet aircraft Air Force two And When I first saw it,

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I Come on and then I stopped because a number of people reposting going.

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Yeah, you know There's something to this because you look at the reflection in The paint of the plane and you can see the building where the you know, it's a terminal

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They're an airport. You can see the building You can see Secret Service agents, but there's no crowd

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But then the picture you're looking at there's a huge crowd of people all excited about Harrison waltz

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But they they have no reflections now. There may be a spiritual a spiritual explanation of that I Mean they do have a demonic worldview.

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So Maybe that's explanation right? There is there was just a crowd of demons with signs

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But then someone else posted another picture that had been put out by the campaign

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And when you zoom into it, you see it's AI generated because I don't know if you've seen this but people wants to it became popular and I've never figured out how to do this by the way, and I probably best but you have these, you know, you ask

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AI to generate such and such as such and such and They end up with distorted faces and ten fingers and in crowds

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They don't do well creating crowds of people and you zoom in on these

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Allegedly large crowds in a stadium and it's AI generated. They're not real people

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They've got distorted here that or there the zombie apocalypse has taken place and it's primarily at Harris waltz

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Campaign events and I was talking to rich today and he was saying yeah they were they were in Phoenix and All the media was saying oh huge crowds all the rest of stuff and then the actual pictures came out and they had roped off the

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All the upper levels they had forced everybody into the bottom so it looked a lot bigger than it was and so if you're using

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AI and they've got the media the media is nothing but the paid

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Lackeys of the Marxists, there's no journalists left in mainstream media ABC NBC CNN very few at Fox sadly

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There might be a few still hiding there someplace, but I think their lives are pretty tough This is

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Talk about utter manipulation of You know

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Photography video. Well, I know it's now same time.

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I Suppose this is somewhat similar even though it's obvious. It's not meant to be taken seriously

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There have been some pretty hilarious Things that would come out from the other side about Harris and waltz talking to each other or or just Harris talking in her own or whatever

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Saying all sorts of wacky stuff. Now, of course, she says all sorts of wacky stuff. That's why it makes sense but it's parody and it's using

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AI generated voices, it's their voices just like I I Have an

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AI generated voice of myself on speechify and it sounds like me So it's it's a new world it's a new world it truly truly is and More and more

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I go, you know, there are absolute fundamental principles in God's law that are not negotiable and Most evangelicals can't even start

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Can't even start to make an argument that we really need to apply these principles because they're antinomians they have an unbiblical view of of God's law.

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They don't recognize that it reveals his holy character and therefore it's gonna have abiding validity and all these specific areas, so There's that.

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Okay now, um, I Actually saw this while driving.

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No, I was not looking at Twitter. It was posted to a thing that Alpha Omega has

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So I glanced at it and I saw it Fell by a name of Jesse Randolph pastor

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Jesse Randolph preached a sermon and Here's here's here's what he ended up posting on Twitter and there's a link to the sermon as well

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Not enough for this this is not a new conversation especially not a new conversation

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Relating to the master's seminary. There was a conflict. What was it 10 -15 years ago? Um Phil Johnson wrote an article about it and If I recall correctly

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Andy Snyder was dismissed over this or left or what someplace else I don't know But there was a

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Professor who Denied the active and passive obedience of Christ That that is a part of what is imputed to us as our standing before God So this is a subject a lot of people don't know.

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I think almost anything about sadly so when they read Machen shortly before his death said so thankful for the active and passive obedience of Christ, or I forget what the exact quote was, but They may not know what he was even making reference to it should be something we know more about You know when

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R .C. Sproul said no evangelical doesn't work real. Well, how about we call ourselves?

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Imputationists because I mean that does Narrow things down. It really does the imputation of the righteousness of Christ.

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What does that mean? What is the righteousness of Christ what does imputation mean and Reformed Baptists have the floor on this one because the

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Westminster Confession of Faith does not make The Statement of this that the

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London Baptist Confession is There were people there Westminster divines that wanted to but it didn't end up in the final version

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And it is in the London Baptist Confession of Faith. We have that specific state. It is a confessional statement

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In the London Baptist Confession of Faith concerning the active and passive obedience of Christ. And so what what that's referring to is

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That the righteousness that is imputed to us is Christ's righteousness. Well, what did that what is that?

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well, a lot of people would go well, that's You know, he took our sins our sins were imputed to him

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And his righteousness imputed to us. That's true. That's a great exchange. But what does that mean?

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Could Jesus have just showed up an hour before the crucifixion

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Got up on the cross Died and that would be enough There's a lot of people to say yes

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But I believe if you Consider what it means to be in Christ and to have his righteousness

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That you'll recognize that there are two aspects there is the Removal of the guilt of sin.

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So the wrath of God falls upon the wrath of the Father falls upon the

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Son Voluntarily in behalf of those united to him so their sins are

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Removed. Okay, so the penalty of sins, so Lustful thoughts anger hatred all these things

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The penalty for the you know lying the penalty for these things is paid for in the blood of Christ okay, so there is a sin debt

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That must be dealt with and that's where most people focus but what most people don't focus on is

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God's law is not just don't It's also do.

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So love your neighbor as yourself Second greatest commandment, right? Have we all done that?

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How do you bring forgiveness For commandments that are left unfulfilled

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Greatest commandment love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength well

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If I have to do that, I haven't done that you can forgive all the positive sins I've committed, but I still don't have that righteousness before God But if I have

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Christ's righteousness, then I do because he did love the Father perfectly He loved neighbor as himself perfectly.

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And so if I am united with him then the great exchange is I get the fullness of his righteousness, which is a full righteousness.

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So you have passive obedience in the sense of bearing our sins and his body upon the tree.

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You have active obedience Love the Lord your God. He does love neighbor as himself.

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He does all the positive commands required fulfilled in Jesus and that's the only righteousness he can give right,

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I mean unless you start chopping that stuff up and On what basis would you do that?

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So when you recognize The reality of the fact that the elect are known to God, so unfortunately

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This is another primarily reformed discussion, even though this does demonstrate how Central this is to the gospel itself

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If The elect are united with Christ So that his death is their death his resurrection their resurrection his righteousness

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Including his active obedience to the Father in all things is Their position their their possession.

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That's how I have perfect peace with God. And so The Sandy Snyder fellow wrote

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I think his thesis his master's thesis. That's my recollection. It's been a number of years now I'd have to go back and look didn't have time on the road to do that and it's primarily a dispensational objection why

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The dispensational objection is this is all based on the covenant of works it's a covenantal concept and so it's the idea that Adam is

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Put in probation in the sense of here's the law fulfill these things do the law and you'll live and So you have the covenant of works

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Which is immediately broken and it's left

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Unfulfilled Has to be dealt with Dispensationalism is anti covenantal does not view

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God's working with mankind in a covenantal context and so it's

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They're like there is no covenant works Therefore there is no need For the active obedience of Christ.

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All you need is to remove the penalty of sin all as well So that was the original objection

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And what it was is You know MacArthur was

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Historically one of the primary ways in which reformed theology entered into The dispensational realm and So It's not at all surprising

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That it's in that context that you start Yeah, start having smart people and he's there's a smart guy going uh

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I'm not sure this really fits and So Jesse Randolph Tweeted the following I'll just read it for you here.

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I pulled the text off screen right before the program started and Of course left my reading glasses over there.

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So, uh Yay So much fun, let's see view zoom in and now expand the window

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You all know exactly what I'm talking about this past Sunday night. I addressed the resurgence in The reformed and reformed adjacent world of the doctrine of the imputation of the active obedience of Christ now

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I don't know what he means by resurgence It's in the 1689 So normally something that's that old, you know talk about resurgence

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So, I'm not sure What the reverence is there and the aggressive push some are making to have?

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The embrace of this doctrine serve as a supposed litmus test of Christian orthodoxy, okay

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I don't know who he's been talking to. I don't know what conflicts he's been involved in I don't know what the background of any of this is.

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I'll be honest with you. Sorry However, I Would not for a second shrink back from saying

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That in the doctrine of justification If you do not recognize the biblical testimony to the union of the elect with Christ and That it is his righteousness as the incarnate one

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That is imputed to us because it's there it is No matter what else you do he

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Actively obeyed the Father in all things or he would not have been able to be our substitute Okay So if you're going to Defend a thoroughly biblical

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Doctrine of justification imputation. Yeah, that's a litmus test as to how deep your doctrine is gonna go

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It is He says he gave the link to his sermon

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He says I've read Machen's catchy quote. I'm aware of what various creeds and confessions say

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It's pretty much just confessions I know that certain reformer is held to the doctrine.

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Yeah, I Understand the theological covenant of works But the reality is the doctrine is not supported by any

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New Testament scripture, which states explicitly That the believers justification is in any way grounded in Jesus is keeping of the law

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Rather the scriptures testified to our salvation being found in the Savior's blood and our hope being in the cross in him

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We have redemption through his blood the forgiveness of our transgressions According the riches of his grace Ephesians 1 7. Okay, two things

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I saw someone on Twitter said see here's the danger of biblicalism and if what you mean by that is you have to have the specific words, which is a

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Continuous misrepresentation by my fellow Reformed Baptist and certain Reformed Baptist schools of education

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That biblicism is you have to have the exact words That's not what biblicism is if that's what this gentleman is doing

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Okay, I would object to it as well. Why because it leaves the teaching of Scripture unfulfilled

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I've just given you the teaching of Scripture Did I did I appeal I made mention of the fact

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London's Baptist Confession of Faith includes this language I did not say and therefore we should interpret the

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New Testament in light of the London Baptist Confession of Faith I don't believe that that's because the framers the

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London Baptist Confession of Faith would have gone apoplectic if you had made that kind of assertion and so if if if you try to say that biblicism is and and look if that's what you're saying, then then

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I would agree, but that's not what biblicism is and The opposite side of that would be okay

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Then what are you saying? If you're saying this is the danger of biblicism We don't we can't just have the

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Bible. We need to have the Confessions Then This language did not become formalized until the 17th century.

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What were we doing the Reformation? What were you doing doing during the Pelagian Conversion?

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Wasn't this stuff already there? Haven't we learned by now that there's so many times when tradition got in the way of serious biblical exegesis in the history of the church

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Hope that we would come to have learned that but positively what

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I'm saying and I'll try to wrap this up because we're gonna do the other program here in about half an hour and I need at least some time to Catch my breath

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Positively what I am saying is That if you're going to have a

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Truly biblical doctrine of imputation, then you cannot disassociate it

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Not from crazy confessions you cannot disassociate it from Christ's nature as the

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Incarnate One because that's the righteousness that's imputed to us and What was that righteousness?

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It involved both passive and active obedience so if that's what's imputed to us, that's the basis of it and And so if you believe in that because Owen believed in it or Machen believed in it or it's in a confession

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That's not the right reason That's not the right reason to believe it You may be believing a true thing, but there's a much better foundation for it and it's called the

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Bible and that's Reformed biblicism. Yeah.

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Hey you guys want to answer for why you go? Oh, no. No, no, that's dangerous. No, it's not Because that's a more than sufficient reputation of what this brother said and my hope is that he will think about that and You know adjust his views accordingly just for the help of his own people and Things like that.

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So how'd that get up there? I have no idea all right, so with that There is a rather unusual

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Saturday edition My thanks once again to everybody who makes this possible. I love doing this.

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I love getting those churches. I love doing the debates It's it's great and I thank you for making it possible.

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I don't know how long we're gonna be able to do it I can guarantee you Harris and Waltz will do everything they can

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To stop this type of thing from happening because they don't believe in freedom. They are Marxists Absolute Marxist it is astonishing what we're facing

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It truly truly is Lord have mercy But when I say that I'm not saying

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Lord have mercy and stop your judgment Because we are right for it. Just have mercy upon us.

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Give us wisdom as to how to continue to bless your people in the midst of Judgment anyway, thanks for the don't forget get your raffle tickets for that knife or Rich is gonna get it.

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I Know he can't but I'm just I'm just saying just we'll go from there. All right.

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Thanks watch the program Catch the apology apologetics dog here. We're recording a little while.