October 11, 2019 Show with Jeremy Vuolo on “God’s Plan & Purpose for Worship”

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gorgeous fall day, October 11th, 2019.

At least it's a gorgeous fall day in Carwile, Pennsylvania.

And I am so thrilled to have back a returning guest who I love interviewing.

I love sharing fellowship with this brother, and this brother is just such a blessing to me.

And I thank everybody who gets to meet and know him.

His name is Jeremy Volo.

He's the husband to Ginger Volo, one of the 19 siblings in the Duggar family.

He's a former pro soccer player for the San Antonio Scorpions and formerly

pastoring in Laredo, Texas, on the border of Mexico, now studying at the

Master's Seminary in Los Angeles, California, and conference speaker at the

upcoming G3 Conference.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back again for another interview.

Jeremy Volo.

Hey, Chris.

Thank you.

Amen.

And how many times have you preached at the G3 Conference?

I've preached.

And I don't know what just happened, but you got a little garble -y there, so try to keep your mouth, I guess, as close to the

mouthpiece of whatever you're speaking into as possible.

Will do.

And this January 16th

through the 18th, 2020, will be on the theme, Worship Matters.

And today we're going to be discussing with Jeremy Volo God's plan and purpose for worship.

If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question for Jeremy on worship, our email address is chrisarnson

at gmail .com.

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That's C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

And please, as always, give us your first name, at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence,

if you live outside the USA.

Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

And I can see this subject of worship actually lending itself for people wanting to remain anonymous, because,

sadly, it probably has, in fact I know it has for centuries, been a

bone of contention amongst brothers and sisters in Christ, the subject of worship, because there are opinions

and beliefs and practices that vary widely.

And there are even, tragically, church splits that occur over this subject.

So I can understand someone, if they have a controversial opinion, or they disagree with their own

pastor, they disagree with their own congregation, or they're a pastor who disagrees with their own denomination,

perhaps, or the other elders on the board.

I can understand, obviously, them wanting to remain anonymous.

But if it's just a general question, please give us at least your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence,

if you live outside the USA.

So, before we go into God's plan and purpose for worship, and before we go into more

about the G3 Conference, we will give you a lot more details on this conference than we've already mentioned

throughout this program.

But you just had a fairly remarkable experience pastoring in Laredo,

Texas, on the border of Mexico.

And not only did you have some extraordinary experiences there, you made

an extraordinary decision that many folks in your position would

not have made.

You made the decision to leave the pastorate of a very successful and

growing church that just had the opportunity to buy

a facility that was valued at nearly a million dollars

for less than $100 ,000.

And you decided to, in good terms, obviously, leave that congregation,

and your position as pastor, to return to school, and in this case to seminary,

where you are studying at the Master's Seminary, the seminary founded by John MacArthur and Grace Community Church in Sun

Valley, California.

But if you could, before you reach the point of believing, along with your wife Ginger, that

God was calling you into seminary before any future

calls to the pastorate, tell us about your experiences at that church in Laredo,

and some of the remarkable salvation stories that you can recite.

Yeah,

so, in

San

Antonio, and

12 people meeting in Laredo,

I think every, it is commissioned

for the people, and primary means of grace,

which is the 12 people,

12, D. Coleman, who eight months later or so, determined it wasn't the place.

Over the years, God,

through maybe church planting, or

pastoring, and week out preaching

God's word, we actually, then we have events where

people join the church,

he would call his sheep, the community around us,

and we began to see in the community,

and it was actually in 2017,

22 people, and we actually felt tremendous, and God opened up

opportunities across the border in Mexico,

God's grace.

A

very,

three years ago, his wife began attending our church while he was

in prison, but when he got out, he

started attending as well, off and on, but it

was very heartening

to see this woman,

a gang leader

there in

Laredo at the

time, and while he was in jail, I had

been meeting with him before he had gotten locked up, and after he was released,

thinking it was sort of the same old profession, genuine,

which

actually

allowed him to leave without a scratch on his body,

which was stunning

in itself.

The greatest miracle,

the leader of this.

Wow.

God did.

Daphne, who I know is a friend of yours,.

Yes.

He was actually preaching there in Laredo,

involved in the gang, leading the gang.

Sunday morning, Anthony preached on God's

grace, being able to save anyone, and I'll never forget it.

Literally, right after Anthony preached on Paul's command,

he told George, he told me, he told Anthony,

and he was leaving his life, and that day he was

converted, and it's been remarkable to see the growth in all of their lives.

When a gang leader asks you or tells you, I have an urgent need to speak with you, what

goes on with your heart rate and the amount of sweating that you might be doing?

Yes, it does.

I've seen that happen.

In fact, when I was a new believer, I was starting to wonder if the man

who would become, eventually, my pastor, I was starting to wonder, has he been listening to

gossip about me?

What's going on here?

I can even remember a friend of my late wife,

who was visiting the church one evening, I can remember her getting up and storming out with a

furious look on her face into the parking lot, and I left, following her into the parking lot, asking

her what was wrong, and she said, somebody's been telling that pastor about me and my life, and I said,

no, that's the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

He's just preaching the Word.

Wow.

Praise

God.

Praise

God.

I just interviewed a brother who is serving life in prison.

It was my first interview with a guest who was actually in prison at the time of the

interview.

He conducted it on the phone from prison.

His name is Ron Luff, and he is serving life plus 75 years, if I'm

not mistaken.

There's no way that he will ever, barring a miracle, he'll never get out of prison, because even if he's up for parole,

there's 75 more years waiting for him.

But he was in a cult, a cult that was an

offshoot of the reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints, which is today known as

the Community of Christ.

It was a breakaway group, a lot more sinister than the

mainline cult is.

He led a family into a barn where the leader of the cult murdered

them, a husband, wife, and three children.

There's even been TV specials on this incident.

So he, being an accomplice, Ron is serving now life

in prison plus 75 years.

While in prison, while in solitary confinement, he became a Christian,

because he wanted to return to the Bible alone as his sole source of authority, rather than the

Book of Mormon.

And he began reading the Bible intensely, and the Lord saved him while in solitary confinement.

And Ravi Zacharias' writings were instrumental as well.

But also, another cherry on the milkshake or

on the ice cream sundae, is that he later became theologically reformed

through reading Dr. R .C. Sproul's writings.

And he has written a book of his own called Faith Gone Astray, experiencing, I'm sorry,

Unveiling the Kirtland Cult Murders.

Faith Gone Astray, Unveiling the Kirtland Cult Murders.

That is Ron Luff.

And he has earned his doctorate degree in prison and teaches Koine Greek classes in

prison.

Oh my, that's fantastic.

It's stunning to see God's grace at work, isn't it?

Oh yeah, it is truly remarkable.

And so, just going back briefly to these two former

gang members who were saved in prison, one of the things is that when a person is in

a position like that, being a leader in a gang, they are going to be far less

likely to fake a conversion because of the fact that they might be facing

a death sentence from former gang members.

So this kind of thing is not something that somebody would flippantly do if they were in a gang.

Oh, well, it's really interesting.

Yes, whether repentance is necessary for true salvation.

...dissertations.

And we argue on,

if we see you hanging at the club,

we will find you and we will kill you.

Wow.

I'm leaving because I'm a Christian.

So even the cartel, which means,

obviously, they see you

living as a non -Christian, they suppose you to be a non -Christian.

So they have, obviously, and you're not saying across the board this

is always true, but it seems that at least in these circumstances involving the cartels and so on, they seem to have

some level of respect for that where the person is not going to be

automatically the subject of a hit just because they left.

But because of the fact that they left, due to a conversion, they're putting that in a different category, you're saying.

Yes, I'm by their process.

The two gentlemen that were in my church were involved in a specific gang that was designed and it

originated for the purpose of uplifting the Hispanic community.

And so being

there for the community now

does seem like there

is, at least in

certain circumstances...

And that immediately jogs my memory about a friend of

mine who's now retired from active pastoral ministry, Pete Padro.

When I first met Pete, he was the pastor of the Church of the Good

Neighbor in Spanish Harlem, which was the oldest, or is the oldest, Spanish

-speaking Protestant church in North

America.

And they had bilingual services.

In fact, each sermon was bilingual.

And I've never seen this before.

I saw Pete Padro preach in Spanish Harlem, but he would interpret his own sermon

phrase by phrase.

He would preach a phrase in English and then immediately interpret it in Spanish.

I've never seen that before.

But it was interesting that in this dangerous neighborhood in Spanish Harlem,

you would see buildings on the left and right of the church covered with

graffiti, and yet this Church of the Good Neighbor was pristine and clean.

The gangs made sure, according to Pete, that nobody messed with the Church of the Good Neighbor because they

provided food for the community and did other things for the community, and they earned the respect of the gang

leaders.

So you never saw a spot of graffiti on the building.

So tell us more about the growth of the church.

And as I was saying in your introduction, you got this incredible building that was a godsend, something that you

hardly hear of, a building valued at nearly a million dollars that you were able to purchase, I believe, for less

than $100 ,000.

And all these things that were developing, and yet you chose, with the

counseling and consultation of your bride, Ginger, and of course prayer,

you chose to leave a position that most folks

probably would never leave in order to further your education at the Master's Seminary.

But if you could continue with a little bit more of that description of what was going on.

Yeah,

so

that's

why

I

don't

pray

many

faithful

hours

a

week.

Definitely, definitely.

In fact, what we're going to do before you do that is we are going to go to our first station break,

and we are going to...

Don't worry, folks, we are going to get to the main theme shortly, God willing, about

God's plan and purpose for worship.

So be patient with us.

But we will continue with this discussion with Jeremy after our first break.

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Yes, really.

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Yes, New Life Maryland,

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at Master's Seminary and leave what was an ideal situation

that new pastors especially crave and pray for and you left that to

what you believe the Lord is calling you to do.

Yeah,

so

in

God's

providence,

hermeneutics and research, writing, and grammar,

which

is

just

really

desire

seminary,

and

I'll

never

forget,

my wife, after

opportunities to pastor,

she said, Jeremy, there are times that the Lord

gives

you an

opportunity.

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interview on IronSharpensIronRadio.

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Welcome back, this is Chris Arnzen, and if you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours with a little

less than an hour to go is Jeremy Volo who is a former San

Antonio Scorpion soccer player, in addition to being a former pastor in Laredo, Texas

now dedicating his time for further his education in seminary at the Master

Seminary in California founded by Dr. John MacArthur and Grace Community

Church of Sun Valley, California we are going to be addressing the theme, God's

Plan and Purpose for Worship and also giving you more details on the G3 Conference coming up in

January where Jeremy Volo is on a very long and very impressive roster of

speakers and we'll give you all the details on how you can register, but before we return to

Jeremy we just have a few upcoming announcements we need to make in regard to special events.

First of all the Long Island Spurgeon Fellowship is having

their Doctrines of Grace Conference and I intend to be there looking forward to returning to

my homeland the place of my birth, Long Island, New York for this conference and

meeting old friends, or should I say getting a time of fellowship with old

friends and also meeting new folks that I've never met before who come to the

conference and perhaps come as a result of hearing these ads on Iron Trip and Zion Radio, and of course I'm looking

forward to being edified at this conference the Doctrines of Grace Conference at Hope Reform Baptist Church

in Coram, Long Island, New York.

It's being held November 1st and 2nd, that's a Friday and Saturday Friday

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Perseverance of the Saints.

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Reform Baptist Church of Quorum, Long Island, New York and then coming up in

December the Foundations Conference is being held in New York City.

I just love spending a good part of the Christmas season in New York City whenever possible because I

can't think of another place on the planet Earth where I'd rather be during the Christmas season than Manhattan and that's where they're holding the

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is on the roster, one of the finest preachers on the planet Earth alive today Reverend Jeff Thomas, who also

deserves that description of one of the finest preachers on the planet Earth alive today, Reverend Armin Tomassian,

who also deserves that description and a lot of people listening may have never heard

of Armin Tomassian.

I am just blown away by this brother, he's a young pastor and I think over the next decade he's going to be a household

name amongst Reformed Christians.

When I hear him preach I feel like I have been transported back in time and I am in the congregation of a

Puritan, listening to a Puritan preach, he is just a wonderful brother and a humble, extremely humble brother,

as well as a gifted brother.

Richard Corwell Jr. and Andrew Quigley are also on the roster, I have not yet heard them preach but since

Sermon Audio selected them, I am sure they must be wonderful because Sermon Audio, as many of you may know, is very

selective and particular, so I am sure that they are excellent.

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Pennsylvania and our speaker for the very first time is going to be Justin Peters many

of you may know who Justin Peters is, what a gifted and remarkable brother he is, he has

cerebral palsy he travels the world renouncing and

exposing the charlatans in the word of faith or name it and claim it or

wealth and prosperity gospel cult and he is just a

blessing to not only know and to share fellowship with but also to hear him speak

and teach.

He is going to be our speaker for the first time and there will be hundreds of brand new books

available as there always will be at the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio luncheons that are

free the men who attend these conferences or these luncheons I should say leave

with a very heavy sack of free books that have been donated by major Christian publishers all over

the United States and in the UK and these are books that I

personally select from each publisher, each publisher donates a hundred copies so we have enough for

every man, each and every man that attends, so if you want to come it's free of charge everything is free,

the food is free, the books are for free, the hearing the guest speaker is for free, this was the brain child of my

precious late wife in the 1990s and we have been

orchestrating and running these pastors luncheons since the 90s and after she went home to be with the Lord I

continue them in her honor and memory and in tribute to her and so if you want to attend just

send me an email to chrisarnson at gmail .com chrisarnson at gmail .com and I will put you on the

guest list to attend the 2020 G3 con, I'm sorry

Iron Sharpens Iron pastors lunch, and by the way my

guest's dad has been to most of these luncheons I think if he missed any it was

only one, but he always is glowing with joy after these conferences, he really loves them,

I'm sure my guest Jeremy Volo will attest to that, hopefully we'll have Jeremy able to make the flight out

to, not out to Long Island, to Carhall, Pennsylvania to attend one of these luncheons,

and after that, the aforementioned G3 conference.

G3 conference 2020 is being held from Thursday, January 16th through Saturday, January 18th in

2020, on the theme, as we mentioned before, Worship Matters, and the roster

of speakers is always breathtakingly long and remarkable.

I don't think I know of any conference that has a list of speakers this long who are

all extremely impressive and gifted and mind -blowingly remarkable

again, we have Dr. Stephen J. Lawson at the conference at the G3 conference we have the

founder Josh Bice who is a really gifted preacher if you have never heard Josh Bice you've got to go

to Sermon Audio or somewhere else where you can hear his preaching, he is a really gifted brother, and as I said,

founder of the G3 conference, the aforementioned Anthony Mathenia of Christ Church in

Radford, Virginia who is also the pastor of Paul Washer, my friend Dr. James R.

White, dear friend since 1995 world -renowned preacher teacher,

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also a wonderful friend, and also Phil Johnson, another friend of mine who has been interviewed on Iron Sharp

and Zion Radio more than any other guest he is the executive director of Grace to

You Ministries the ministry founded by John MacArthur my friend

Todd Freel whose ads you've been hearing promoting the G3 conference on this program

he is speaking, Derek Thomas, the world -renowned Presbyterian teacher preacher, author,

conference speaker my friend Dr. Tom Askell the executive director of Founders Ministries,

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who is the president of Reformation Bible College, the college founded by the late R .C. Sproul Costi

Hinn, the nephew of the notorious Charlatan Benny Hinn.

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travels as often as he can exposing this wicked cult the word -of -faith cult for

the deceiving and deadly and damning deception that it is

and many more are speaking, including as we have been saying our guest today, Jeremy

Volo, and also the most recent addition to the lineup is John MacArthur himself.

I would go to this conference even if John MacArthur was all by himself preaching.

I can't wait to be in the same room while John MacArthur is preaching.

I've never been in the same room with him.

I've never heard him preach face -to -face although he has been a guest on this program and has

written a wonderful, glowing commendation for this program.

I've never met Dr. MacArthur, so I am eagerly looking forward to that.

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organization, a special event, or anything else you want to promote to the Body of Christ in very large numbers, this

is an ideal place to man an exhibitor's booth, so if I were you, I would register for an exhibitor's booth as well.

They have over 5 ,000 people that attend the G3 Conference annually and with

John MacArthur added to the lineup, I think they're going to have over 6 ,000 people.

I am very confident of that, and I have always been extraordinarily blessed by manning an exhibitor's booth

at the G3 Conference, and one of those extraordinary ways was when I interviewed my guest, Jeremy Volo, and his

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God's plan and purpose for worship.

That's chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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Jeremy, I don't know if you need to wrap anything up from our previous conversation about your entering

into seminary but if you want to wrap that up if you haven't already and then we can move

into our subject at hand.

Praise God.

Well, the theme is God's plan and

purpose for worship.

You know, this as I already mentioned is something that is

something that triggers a lot of emotion and often more heat than light.

There are brothers and sisters who vehemently and vociferously and angrily and

passionately disagree with each other on worship and it's a tragedy obviously

because even brethren in the same theological camps often disagree with each other.

Even the most ardent of fundamentalist King James Only folks a

number of whom are my friends they even disagree with each other on these issues.

But, first of all why don't you start off with God's plan for worship.

We have a listener CJ in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York who says it may

sound like a silly question, but could you define what comes into the

category of worship?

Because I know that even many Christians who are theologically in harmony disagree over

what falls under the umbrella of that specific word and thing

that we all are to participate in, that is worship.

The reason I say this is because as Dr. James R. White has been heard to say on a number of occasions

when he is at speaking engagements he despises it when he is waiting to preach and

someone from either the worship music team or the pastor will get up to the pulpit and say, now

that we have concluded our time of worship it is time to hear our preacher Dr. White.

The reason he is so upset is because he believes that worship is the most vital element of

actually I read that wrong Preaching is the most vital element of worship

and therefore he does not want to be considered something to be outside of the confines of worship

when he begins to open God's word.

If you could explain what you believe is the actual definition of worship.

One

that

defines

worship,

we

repeat to the spiritual music

that James and

we worship

the living chakras, I

know you

would

Chris that the height of worship

he

is.

Now

let

me break that

down.

The only form of

and bringing to remembrance who

he is in his omniscience his

grace, his wrath, his justice you're bringing this to mind,

speaking to him as well as praising him

for

being current in the future.

Cite

these

realities.

You're

giving

him

the glory.

Why is he

the law giver?

Because he is the judge.

And so even in your

confession,

faith

and

our

glorification.

The universe is

he is trustworthy so in having faith speaking

and to eat

the Christian faith.

Every day Satan desires

to divide.

Oh yeah.

Oh yeah, definitely.

Thank you CJ.

We have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County Pennsylvania

who says.

How are we ever going to stop the hateful infighting amongst those in the body of

Christ over the style and manner of worship?

I see on one end of the spectrum those that are more prone to be

pushing an agenda for modern worship that seem to completely

exclude those who are senior saints and have little or

no regard at all to how comfortable they are being in the presence of loud and raucous

music.

On the other end of the spectrum, I see those that act as if they are Pharisees

judging music by standards that are nowhere found in the Word of God.

How can we on this planet come to some kind of a meeting of minds where we can be

sensitive to those on both sides of the spectrum, the youth and the elderly?

Yeah.

And

we're.

Going to our final break right now and what I'm going to do is I'm going to read a question from a listener and have you respond

to it after we return from our final break.

We have Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

Who says,.

I am not among the many who believe that rhythm and melody are morally neutral

necessarily.

I'm not saying that is always the case, but I do believe that there is

an obvious intention on certain styles of music that would be forbidden, in my

opinion, from being compatible with the worship of God that

demands that we worship Him in civility and in order.

So if you could respond to this and we will have you respond to that when we return from

our final break.

If anybody else wants to join us, do so quickly because we're rapidly running out of time.

ChrisArnson at gmail .com.

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pray he remains in full remission and totally healed and cured, and pray

that he has many more years of life on this earth to bless the saved and unsaved

alike with First Love Radio.

And I obviously urge you to please reach out to him at firstloveradio .org

to extend to him your gratefulness for

his ministry and your praising God for his being in remission.

I'm sure he will be truly blessed, and he has already been enormously blessed by those of you who have already done that.

We are now back with Jeremy Volo, and Jeremy, as you know, before the break we had

Harrison in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, who is basically making a point that he doesn't believe that

music is morally neutral.

And I don't know if I 100 agree with that, but I definitely agree that

the instrumentation involved, or even the melodies and rhythms involved in music,

whether they involve instrumentation or not, that they lend themselves to

moods, and not all moods are appropriate for worshiping God, as Dr. D.

David Gordon, or G. I can't remember his full name right now, Dr. G. David Gordon or D. David Gordon,

T. David Gordon, that's it, T. David Gordon, in his book Why Johnny Can't

Sing, when I interviewed him on that book, he made a very good point that

unless your loved one had specifically requested this, you would probably be in

shock and horror if a loved one of yours, a precious dear loved one, a parent, a sibling, a

child, you were having a funeral for that individual, and then people started playing kazoos

in the middle of the service.

You would be outraged because of the frivolity and the comical nature of those

sounds.

So I think that that would stand with an objection to any kind of

instrumentation or melody or rhythm in a worship service, if you could.

And having said that, the scriptures do teach, infallibly and inerrantly, that we are

to conduct our worship decently and in order, and I think that there are some styles of

instrumentation that are so raucous that they would not be conducive to that at

all.

And I think that if anybody was really honest, if they were in the midst of a worship service and a

death metal rhythm and melody, or punk rhythm and melody,

that was drowning out even anything that was being sung, or just conjuring up all kinds of

rebellious and evil thoughts in the minds of those listening,

let alone driving out senior citizens who will be terrified of what they're hearing.

I think that there is a case to be made, in part, for what our listener said, if you want to comment on that final

thought there.

And by the way, I'm sure that my listeners must recognize that I do have a broad taste in music and

even have some heavy metal guitar going on behind ads in my show, but I don't

think that an advertisement is the same thing as a worship service.

But I want to thank you so much, Jeremy, for being an excellent guest.

Once again, I look forward to you returning soon so that we can further promote the G3 Conference before it

occurs, January 16th through the 18th.

And I want to remind our listeners that they can go to g3conference .com, g3conference .com to register to attend

the conference, and also to register for an exhibitor's booth if it applies to you.

Thank you so much, Jeremy.

Do you have any contact information that you care to share?

I want to thank you again.

I want to thank everybody who listened.

I hope you all have a safe, blessed, and happy weekend, and God -honoring Lord's Day, and I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that

Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.