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Good evening.

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I was not originally asked to be here today, but then Michelle Wolfe happened. Michelle Wolfe hosted the

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Correspondents' Dinner, and as the host, she treated her jokes the same way that she wants to treat all babies.

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She let them all die. Did you hear the abortion joke that she told?

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Like, nobody knew if she was telling a joke or confessing that abortion really is murder. All the liberals were like, don't say that.

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We're trying to get away with murder here. Where's Viola Davis when you need her? What are we going to do?

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Michelle Wolfe defended her speech by calling it a roast, but that was not a roast, because roasts have two things.

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One, jokes, and two, not Michelle Wolfe. Actually, a roast,

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Michelle, is defined as writing jokes that jab a person with the intention of honoring them in a unique way.

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But that was not what she was doing. She was not trying to honor anybody in a unique way except for herself.

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So tonight, I will teach her what a roast actually is by roasting her.

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Michelle Wolfe is here, ladies and gentlemen. Give it up. That's right. I just have to say, this has been a big year for her.

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Congratulations to Michelle Wolfe. Congratulations to you for causing people to look on Wikipedia again.

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It has been a minute. Michelle Wolfe is better known as Fire and Fury, Michael Wolfe's wife.

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That's actually not true unless he put it in the book. Then it's only true to liberals, but it's super true.

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Michelle has written such esteemed shows as Late Night with Seth Meyers, The Daily Show, and every other late night show that exists.

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Technically, she's only written the first two, but they all tell the same joke, so it doesn't really matter anymore.

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I don't know if you noticed this, but every late night show on television right now pushes the exact same agenda.

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You can almost see a connection between them and Kim Jong -un because they also believe their own lies.

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The only difference is, unlike liberal media, Kim Jong -un actually listened to Donald Trump for a minute, and now he's no longer trying to kill innocent

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Americans. It helps them listen. Instead, the liberals are still pushing the metaphorical nuclear button, also known as Planned Parenthood.

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Extreme liberals cannot listen to anybody else. I've Think about that for a minute.

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They don't want to listen to another opinion so bad that they're willing to listen to any voice in their own group, even if it's

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Michelle Wolfe's voice. I mean, come on. Victoria Jackson called and she wants her voice back.

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Quick question. If a tree falls in the woods and nobody's there to hear it, will

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Michelle Wolfe blame it on Trump or all of the patriarchy? That, by the way, that's how a setup works,

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Michelle. She tried telling a joke like that earlier but completely butchered it. She had the ability to succeed but then failed last minute, so basically she followed in the footsteps of her hero

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Hillary Clinton. It could have been that she was just so nervous being around people like Sarah Huckabee Sanders, you know, people that believe in truth.

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Michelle was criticized the most, actually, on her comments about Sarah. And I get that, you don't mess with a mom that has moral values.

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Those moms are tough, all right? I mean, sure, they'll turn the other cheek, but they only have two cheeks.

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After that, it's just a stern, stern look that'll make everybody want to repent. That's all she's got after that.

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On a sincere note, I just want to say congratulations to Michelle Wolfe for the start of a very successful year for her.

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She's about to launch her own Netflix show, which is really great because she no longer has to worry about being typecast as a heroin addict on CSI Miami episodes.

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I don't think Michelle liked that just now. It's hard to tell. She always looks ungrateful. You can never tell.

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Are you happy right now, Michelle? Give me something here. Nothing, nothing.

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Got the stare. I'm a man. It makes sense. I just want to say,

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Michelle, I wish you the most success. And above all, I want you to know I am praying for you.

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I've already talked to my wife and she would love to invite you to a woman's retreat. That way you can learn what a powerful woman really is supposed to be like.

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Thank you so much. Have a good day. Everybody, welcome, welcome.

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Hey, welcome to our live studio audience and welcome to everybody watching online and social media and across the internet.

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I'm Jeff Durbin. You are watching Next Week and let's talk about what's up. You guys ready? Let's do this.

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Welcome to Next Week. Here is something nobody's talking about. North Korea. North Korea is meeting with South Korea for the first time in history.

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It's actually really amazing. The media was going to talk about it, but they still can't find a way to make fun of Trump in that situation.

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So it's kind of off the table. In fact, a spokesperson from South Korea gave credit to Donald Trump for calming down North Korea.

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In response, Obama said, I could have done that. I could have done that too. And North Korea also vowed to denuclearize their border.

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That's right. Nothing self -destructive will be allowed anymore. So Dennis Rodman won't be flying to North Korea anytime soon.

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Now things have been looking so good for North Korea that there has actually been talks of allowing

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Christianity into the country. How's that guys? That's amazing. Now, if that happens, then

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Christians said that they would move to North Korea instead of living in the anti -Christian nation,

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California. Speaking of, California is trying to pass a law that would ban anyone from using the

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Bible to encourage a gay person to be straight because it could hurt someone's feelings.

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It's from the makers of Pure Flix. All right, let's do this, everybody. Let's talk about the culture of death.

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Now you've all heard us mention many times that we are living in a culture of death.

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Now I have to grant that that has the potential to come across as alarmist or to be taken as an attempt to be shocking or unjustly provocative.

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Of course. Now, however, when I've said it, I've said it in an attempt to be honest and even courageous, courageous enough to be truthful about our current circumstances.

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Now don't get me wrong. I do loathe the sometimes cringey behavior of some professing

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Christians when they display what seems to be an obsession with finding persecution or problems where it may not really exist or matter all that much.

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Now call this a persecution complex and call this exhibit A. Look, Josh, first time here.

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You know, I think in the age of political correctness, we become so open minded. Our brains have literally fallen out of our head. Do you realize that Starbucks wanted to take

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Christ and Christmas off of their brand new cups? That's why they're just plain red. In fact, do you realize that Starbucks isn't allowed to say

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Merry Christmas to customers? Well, I decided instead of simply boycotting. Well, why don't we just start a movement?

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So when I went in and I asked for my coffee, they asked for my name and I told them my name is

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Merry Christmas. Now, look, when I've pointed to the culture of death,

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I've pointed to what ought to be obvious to all of us. Now we're living on the precipice of a complete reversal of much of what the

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Christian message built in the West. Culture of death is a proper way to describe it.

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Now, since Roe v. Wade, we've killed about 60 million children, about 10 times the victim count of the

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Holocaust. If this were our competition, we're winning by a landslide. Only in this case, we're guilty of doing it to ourselves.

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Now add to the 60 million, about 3 ,000 more babies killed every single day, and you'll get a better picture of what

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I'm getting at when I call it a culture of death. Next, we've all had to face the attack upon the very fabric of society with our nation's perverse redefinition of marriage.

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I call it death because when we try to undo the very first institution that God created to build a culture in the world, we have only one destination, death.

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The United States government, by way of an evil Supreme Court, decided that a mirage is better than a marriage, and that circles might actually be squares when they decreed that marriage is limitlessly malleable.

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Children don't need a mother and a father. One of those two is expendable, according to our death -loving government.

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I call it death because if you build a house without the kind of foundation that God told you to build it with, then when the wind and rains come or the earth shakes, that roof only has one place to land.

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I call it death because we have left the vigorous and well -known Protestant work ethic that produced this nation to a theory of economics that rewards not -existent work ethic.

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A biblical society recognizes that if we don't work, we don't eat, and it prizes a more fundamental truth, you shall not steal.

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And we've popularized coveting and made successful hard -working people into the enemies. Our new heroes are men like Bernie Hood.

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He loves to steal from the rich to give to the poor, y 'all, and we love him for doing it.

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Never mind the fact that he actually is one of those evil rich people. Now, we're so far in debt as a country because the government has taken on the role of the provider, father, mother, church, family, business partner, and God.

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It's called death because when someone taps out all of their financial resources, at some point they're going to starve and die.

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The Bible says those who hate me love death. There simply cannot be a better explanation for the 21st century

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West. The difficulty we're now having is that this problem is not merely at the individual level, but now it's at the highest level of power and force, the government itself.

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The Bible and Christian civilizations in the past support the idea of a small and limited government.

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Humans are sinful, therefore there must be limitations on the kind of power we give to them.

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And this is why in the American experiment there was what some have rightfully referred to as a Presbyterian style of government, checks and balances on power.

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Christians have always taught that only God has ultimate authority and power. Now, at the beginning of the

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American experiment, people essentially said human beings are not angels, therefore a constitution is necessary and limitations on power is necessary.

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Now it seems that the leftists, humanists, and social justice warriors of our day haven't learned from Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and Pol Pot.

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In the Bible, government has only a few important responsibilities. Simple, to punish evil, enforce contracts, and to organize for national defense.

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That's it. Today, government is the business partner, the provider, the physician, the educator, the investor, the parents, and the definer of morality.

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A couple of recent examples need to be highlighted when we talk about the culture of death. In California, legislation

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AB 2943 has been introduced that would criminalize the speech of the apostle

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Paul in the Bible. In 1 Corinthians chapter 6, Paul referred to people who had once been homosexuals and were no longer there.

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They had been washed, he said, sanctified, justified. Now this legislation addresses this issue and seeks to do away with so -called conversion therapy.

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And don't get me wrong, there are a lot of strange practices that have come under the name of conversion therapy.

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However, the fundamental aspect of this particular bill is that any suggestion that a person can change their sexual or gender identity is to be seen as fraudulent and criminal.

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Also new here at noon, the California Assembly passed a bill this morning to ban conversion therapy.

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The law would make clear that efforts to change a person's sexual orientation or gender identity is a fraudulent business practice and exposes people to psychological abuse.

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Now the state could make history as the first to protect both children and adults from the controversial treatment.

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Even more interesting is the obvious display of the myth of neutrality. We talk about this a lot.

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Nobody is neutral, neither is government. We all have a commitment to an ultimate standard. Now it's never a question of whether we will impose a morality, but which morality will impose.

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It's not a question of whether the government will take a side on the issue of righteousness, but which side.

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Proof of this point is in the person who's in charge of this bill. His name is Evan Lowe. In his closing statement, he admits that his bill is founded upon his own experience as a gay man and how hurtful it is to gay people to tell them that something is wrong with their sexuality and that they can in fact change.

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And I just want to let you know, it's important that we play this entire clip. It is long, but I need you to see it.

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And now as we find ourselves here in the state of California, in the state legislature with an obligation to protect everyone in the state of California, the obligations that we have, that there is nothing wrong with me.

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There is nothing that needs to be changed. Members of the LGBT community are your brothers, are your sisters, are your parents, are your pastors, our police officers, and everyone in between.

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We are a family. So this notion that we would accept as a practice, as a legal practice, that conversion therapy works is antithetical to my very existence in this body.

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And I can't just tell you how many people are suffering right now in this moment of vulnerability to which they are too trying to find themselves and come out in a society that is very hateful to them.

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In a moment of vulnerability, could I too change? And finding out that they are being charged thousands of dollars, being told that they could change with no remedy, and these practices go against the norm.

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It exacerbates depression and my very own suicidal thoughts growing up too.

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What this bill does is ensure that we as a state of California recognize and go with what every single medical group has similarly stated, which is that conversion therapy does not work, it is harmful, and it is unnecessary.

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And so colleagues, again, as we've had conversations about freedom of speech and freedom of religion, this is not what we're talking about.

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This is very narrow in scope under a financial transaction. So as we think about this bill before us here today,

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I hope that you will too demonstrate the courage of your convictions and understanding what this bill does, and hope demonstrate that members of the

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LGBT community should be cherished, should be celebrated, and most importantly, we should be loved.

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Flip the script for a moment. Imagine, if you will, a Christian legislator introducing legislation that would criminalize public acts or displays of homosexual behavior.

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In our current culture, how do you think that would go? Make no mistake about it, this isn't a neutral zone that we're playing in.

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Evan Lowe doesn't believe that homosexuality is anything to write home about, so he's imposing his own morality upon the citizens of California.

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Accept this standard of sexuality and righteousness or be punished by the arm of the state.

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How does a society get to a point in which it accepts a new standard of sexuality? Education and media.

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At the same time, this controversy was happening. A letter from a California school district was circulating talking about LGBT, apparently

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Evan Lowe can't say that together, LGBT education being taught in the schools. Now this is the letter itself, and I think it's appropriate for me to read this in the state -approved

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California accent. Therefore, parents who disagree with the institutional materials related to gender, gender identity, gender expression, and sexual orientation may not excuse their children from this instruction.

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However, parents are free to advise their children that they disagree with some or all of the information presented in the instructional program and express their views on these subjects to their children, discussing gender identity, gender practice, expression, sexual orientation, discrimination, harassment, and bullying.

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In the letter, the Orange County school district was instructing parents that they did not have the right, get this, to have their children opt out of the class.

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However, by permission of the queen, parents were given the right to disagree at home, only after the state got their hands on the kids.

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Thank you, your highness, for your benevolence. Flip the script again.

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Now imagine the modern school system having a mandatory sexual education training that taught children that homosexuality was sinful and that Jesus could heal and save you.

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You seeing it yet? The myth of neutrality. Nobody's neutral. The family isn't neutral.

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Education isn't neutral, and ultimately, neither is the state. And in the case of California, we're seeing the results of a state -in -state educational system that's come into its own, and it's owning its gods.

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The dangerous part of all this is that the state itself is flexing its power and authority upon those who speak the kind of heresy that Christians do, that we are all broken, every one of us, sexually speaking, and we're all in need of redemption.

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Preach that message and be devoured by the beast of California. Now, speaking of being devoured by the beast, this brings us to the recent case of the government -sanctioned murder of Alfie Evans.

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Remember years ago when some Americans were arguing against socialized medicine and government -controlled health care system?

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Some legislators were mocked, literally mocked, for suggesting that death panels would be the result of the state being involved in health care.

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Here's the problems I have with the Affordable Health Care Act. Number one, there is a provision in there that anyone over the age of 74 has to go before what is effectively a death panel.

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Yes, they do. Yes, they do. It's in there, folks. You're wrong.

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Okay, children. All right, children. I am 77 years old, and I think it's unconscionable for this politician to tell me that at 74,

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I will be facing death penalties. Pam. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

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I have - I'm on your side. I deal with end -of -life issues on a regular basis.

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These are heart -rending decisions, and I can tell you there is no such thing as a death panel.

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In the UK, they've had socialized medicine for a while now.

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Alfie was a little boy with a very serious medical condition. At the center of the case was a gay activist judge named

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Justice Anthony Hayden. Never mind his gay activism, guys.

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Never trust a man wearing a wig like this. Although I will say, I thought he was a gay activist and not trans.

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Now, Justice Hayden is a member of the bar, lesbian, and gay group, BLAG, and co -authored a book on homosexual relationships and their pertinence to children's rights.

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Through the decisions made by Hayden and the government, it was decreed that starving little Alfie and letting -slash -making him die was the best thing for him.

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This went against the wishes of the parents who wanted to fight for his life. Tom, can you -

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Can you believe that my son's just being sentenced to a death penalty with two days to go, with the system worked against me?

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Can you believe that Kate weren't representing herself, nor was I representing her? Can you believe that their barrister had the judgment before me?

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So whilst I was traveling up here, all the hay knew the verdict already before me. Is this right? Is this right?

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I'm not crying because I know how wrong they are, and I know how strong my boy's doing. My strong - My boy's strong.

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He's comfortable. This isn't over. This is just the start. I want to take this absolute NHS down. I'm not giving up.

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My son ain't giving up. No one, and I repeat, no one in this country has taken my boy away from me. No one, and they're not violating his rights, and they're not violating my rights.

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My son is two years of age, and he's being sentenced to the death penalty. How wrong is that? The Italian government gave

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Alfie citizenship and offered to fully pay for his transport and his medical treatment in their country.

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A helicopter was on standby to bring Alfie and his parents to fight for his life. The state death panel not only said no against the wishes of the parents, but the state sent guards, actual guards, to stop

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Alfie's parents from leaving with their own child. In this case, the not -neutral state flexed its power over life itself and over the rights of the parents and guaranteed the death of little

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Alfie. He died, and that was tragic. Now let's look at a kid that got sick in America around the same time.

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A 16 -year -old named Jeremiah Thomas was diagnosed with cancer a couple of months ago. The cancer was so aggressive that his hospital in Texas could not give

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Jeremiah the treatment he needed. Instead of accepting the low chance of survival they were given, they went to Tijuana to try holistic medicine.

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If he were in the UK, he would not have been able to do that. In Tijuana, they tried everything they could, but the cancer was aggressive, and his chances were even lower.

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They could have accepted the doctor's diagnosis then, but again they chose to fight. They flew to San Diego seeking an important surgery and finding only one hospital that would agree to do it.

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By that time, his tumor on his spine had grown, and he was told that he would not be able to walk again.

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His chance of survival was again low. They've chosen to fight and have reached out to Brothers and Sisters in Christ asking for prayer.

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Jeremiah's story spread quickly over social media, and a linebacker for the Dallas Cowboys, Sean Lee, sent

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Jeremiah a video message. Take a look at this. Sean Lee, linebacker with the

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Cowboys. You are an inspiration to our organization. Thank you. Keep fighting.

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God bless. We'll be praying for you. Awesome. Well send that to your table, but check this out.

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Check this out. Check this out. So look at that. It says number 50.

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It says to Jeremiah, God's got this. Keep fighting. Dude. Not only that, but Jeremiah was just given a make -a -wish.

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He had the option to go anywhere and to do anything. Instead of going to Disney or seeing a football game,

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Jeremiah is using his make -a -wish to meet with the governor of Texas to discuss ending abortion.

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That's a huge, beautiful thing. Great job, Jeremiah. We're proud of you, brother. Imagine if the government forced

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Jeremiah to stay at the first hospital just because his chances were low. These opportunities never would have happened.

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Please pray, everyone, for Jeremiah. And if you feel led, you can also donate to his medical expenses.

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To learn more, search hashtag PrayForJeremiah. Today, we have the opportunity to decide which hospital we want to go to and what care our loved ones receive.

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But what's coming next if Christians don't start being bold enough to confront and resist the beast?

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Early in Christian history, we were killed by the Roman government. We weren't killed because we wanted to worship

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Jesus. Rome was pagan. They didn't care what you worshipped. We were killed because we would not recognize the ultimate authority of Caesar.

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All Christians had to say in early century in Rome was Kaiser Curios, Caesar is

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Lord. Say that and live. Just a little pinch of incense, that's all.

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Christians recognize Christ's authority and law above the law of the state. And for that, they were killed.

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We are living in a time far removed from the kind of Christian resistance and Christian ingenuity of our forebears.

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It was Christians that created hospitals. That's right. We did that. It was the Christian worldview that built the civilization of the

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West. That's right. We did that too. However, over the last few generations, we have bought into the fiction that escape is the ultimate goal.

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Rather than occupying until he comes and being a city on a hill, we're more comfortable with leaving the world to the devil and sin.

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Ultimately, it's like we don't even pray or even believe the Lord's prayer. Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

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We've stopped working for that. And because of it, we don't live in a moral vacuum. We live in a world that has recognized a different ultimate.

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And that ultimate is being enforced by a godless and out of control state that will exert its power upon Christians to protect its gods.

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Just like the beast of Rome in the past, the beast is looking to devour anyone that will subvert its ultimate authority.

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My prayer is that we will give the same kind of bold and love -soaked resistance to the modern tyranny that we did to the old one.

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We defeated it in history. We outloved it. We out created it. We out served it and we out truthed it.

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I pray that we do that before Christians are seen as enemies of the state. Wait, it's too late.

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It's time to fight, brothers and sisters. We'll be right back, right here on Next Week, everybody. Stay with us.

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Dr. Andrew Sandlin on the other side, everybody. You don't want to miss it. Stay with us. Like and share. We'll see you in a minute.

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Thank you, everybody.

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Welcome back, everybody, to Next Week with Jeff Durbin. I'm Jeff Durbin. Thank you so much for tuning in and liking and sharing the episode.

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Very important guest for you right now on the show. One of our favorites is Dr. Andrew Sandlin.

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Dr. Sandlin is a Christian minister, theologian, and author, the founder and president of the Center for Cultural Leadership in Colterville, California, the

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Young Distinguished Visiting Professor of Culture and Theology at Edinburgh Theological Seminary, and faculty at Blackstone Legal Fellowship of the

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Alliance Defending Freedom in Phoenix. He was formerly president of the National Reformed Association, executive vice president of the

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Chalcedon Foundation, minister of the Fellowship of Mere Christianity, and was pastor of Church of the World and Cornerstone Bible Church.

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Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Dr. Andrew Sandlin. Hey, brother, welcome.

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Thank you so much. Thank you. All right. Exciting opportunity for us right here on Next Week.

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One of my faves. I think soon yours as well. So you drove all the way from California.

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I wanted to be on a non -judgmental, non -controversial show. You came to the wrong place. So I just want to tell you how grateful we are that you took the long drive to get here and that you're here in our studio for the next two days.

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Lots of stuff we're going to produce together. Very excited about it. So I think just leaping right into it to give everyone sort of a flavor of how we think and the way that we view the world.

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We had you recently on our television program, and you were talking about something that got us very excited, and it was the imperial gospel, which sounds so weird, kind of nefarious and scary, the imperial, because we think about Star Wars and the empire, the evil empire.

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But I think that this goes to the core of so much that is broken within us as evangelicals, as reformed folks in the

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United States, in the West. We used to have a perspective of the Kingdom of Christ and the world itself.

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Particularly in American history, we come from a very Puritan heritage where they viewed the world as all under the rule and authority of Jesus.

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Every realm, every sphere under his authority. And the purpose of the church was to advance the gospel of the kingdom, to renew and restore the world through salvation, redemption that's in Christ.

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But there was a view of Jesus as, well, it just seems so silly because everyone goes,

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I already believe that, so what's the difference? King of kings and Lord of lords. And that is that Jesus is the ruler of the world.

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Today, he's the king over kings of the earth and Lord over lords of the earth.

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And when we say that, we really mean it because it has implications. So I guess I'll just throw it at you, imperial gospel, why does that matter?

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What is it? Well, I mean, the problem historically is that the gospel in the West has been influenced by a number of factors like pietism, a false form of pietism and Gnosticism, which maybe we'll get into later.

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Dispensationalism. Wait, did I just say that? Yes, I did. And other sort of retreatist approaches.

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And essentially the gospel has been turned into a subjective view of the faith and it's become very perpendicular.

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It's basically my relationship with God. And of course the gospel does involve that. But think about it.

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I mean, the gospel from the Greek is, it's the good news. Well, immediately we think, well, if it's the good news, what's the bad news?

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Well, people would say, well, the bad news is that I'm a sinner. Well, that's true, but that's not all the bad news. Actually, the bad news is worse than that.

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The bad news is that as a result of sin, the entire creation has been brought under a curse and there's corruption anywhere, everywhere.

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I mean, everywhere we look in education and in science and technology, economics, we see the influence of sin everywhere.

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Well, what people don't understand is that though the gospel is based in the death, the glorious death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, it's not designed merely to save me.

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It's designed to push back and eventually, incrementally, repel evil in all areas of life.

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That's what evangelicals have lost. Well, part of the reason for that is because they don't recognize what you said,

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Jeff, about the kingship of Jesus Christ. Now, if they do recognize, well, yes, I believe

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Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. What they mean by that, many of them, is that, well, one day he's going to return with a rod of iron and he's going to rule physically on the earth, or they mean he's

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King of Kings today in a limited realm. I mean, Jesus is the King of my heart. He's the

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King of your heart. Well, that's not quite what the scripture says. I mean, think even about the great plank in there.

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Thy kingdom come, thy will be done. Not in my little heart in yours, but in the entire world.

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On earth, all over the entire earth. So when you and I, when those who believe like us, and I believe recognize this fully biblical truth, the

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Puritans you invoked and many others in the Reformation tradition, and perhaps some others from time to time, we recognize the goal of the gospel.

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I think one way to put it is that the theologian, Cornelius Vantill, says that the sweep of redemption is as comprehensive as the sweep of sin.

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Isn't that beautiful? That is. Wherever sin goes, their redemption has to go. And so it's not enough to preach

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Sunday for sinners to come to Jesus. They do need to. Praise God, we must speak that way.

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But in addition to that, we must recognize that all of culture must be brought under the kingship of Jesus Christ.

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That's not an implication of the gospel. That's a part of the gospel. Yeah. I often say this, and I always try to figure out ways to be better as a pastor, as a minister of the gospel.

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I often say it in this way, and tell me if I'm getting the right spot. I often say that it's not merely about the gospel,

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God's gospel, that I'm reconciled to God, have peace with God, that I have eternal life in heaven one day. But what we're missing is the gospel of the kingdom.

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I often say that I don't know that I have a lot of confidence that the average Christian in the West today could articulate why the kingdom of Jesus itself is good news.

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Because that's what Jesus in Matthew 4 goes about proclaiming is the gospel of the kingdom. I think if you ask the average

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Christian today in the West, you say, why is the kingdom good news? Why is that good news from God?

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Beautifully put. Yeah, that's right. I mean, when we use the term kingdom, basically that means the reign, the reign of God.

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Well, so what's good news about the reign? Well, the wonderful news about the reign is that sin is destructive.

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It's not just destructive in my life with addictions and lusts and things that we say, hatred in our hearts and all these external things, people we hurt.

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It's not just that, it hurts everything in society. So we can say that wherever the gospel goes and wherever the gospel is successful, there the reign of God goes and there the kingdom of God is.

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What a lot of people don't understand is when you have families, though not perfect, are submitted to Christ and churches and institutions like this one, ministries like yours, that's a manifestation of the kingdom of God on the earth.

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But it needs to go wider. That's the key. And that's what we're called to do to extend that kingdom by the gospel.

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So, okay, well, there's all kinds of stuff I want to talk about in terms of implications, what that looks like, how we advance.

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Just what exactly are we saying? We say like every realm affected by the rule of Christ, his reign transformed, renewed.

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I mean, Jesus comes out of that garden tomb. Death enters into the world. Sin enters into the world in a garden.

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And then Jesus has victory over sin and death in a garden. He's mistaken as a gardener by the women who come to the tomb, which to me testifies that he was doing something that looked like a gardener.

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He was working the ground. He's the beginning of the new creation, the Bible says, the firstborn.

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And so he comes now in victorious splendor and majesty out of that tomb, victory over death and sin, and he begins to work the ground.

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He's now beginning to, behold, I make all things new. Not making all new things.

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He's making all things new. He's renewing. Talk about that for a second, that new creation.

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Every Christian says it. We talk about it in terms of our own individual relationship with Jesus.

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We say, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has gone, the new has come.

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We get that as Christians in terms of my individual relationship. But Jesus is actually part of a much bigger project.

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What he's doing is a bigger project. It's the new creation. That's right. You think and look about the creation. Let's go back to Genesis 1 and 2.

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What a beautiful picture. God finishes his work in six days and he pronounces a verdict. What does he say? He looked at it and he said, it's not just good, but very good.

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Well, we look at all of culture that comes out of creation and all of these areas of life, music and economics, exchange in the marketplace and education and all of these things.

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All of those are good things. Let's think of it this way, Jeff had sin never entered the world. What would have happened?

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No, Adam and Eve would have stayed in the garden. Well, not really. They couldn't have stayed just there had they had children and their children, of course, had children.

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They would have expanded over all the earth and they would have developed culture. But it wouldn't have been sinful culture.

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Now think about this for a minute. What would a world have been like? What would the discoveries have been like had sin never entered?

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Well, now I'm going to sort of bring this boomerang, this back to what I was saying. Imagine that's the kind of world we can look forward to in the future with the success of the gospel, not just Jesus and the religion, but all of these areas of life.

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So that means that Christians that, well, let's take electricians, software writers, entertainers, comedians, teachers, salesmen, people that work on mechanics or any area of life.

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As a believer, what you're called to do is operate according to biblical truth, Christian truth,

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God's holy law, and bring that into conformity. Your field of endeavor, bring that into conformity by the power of the spirit of God to the word of God on the basis of the gospel.

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Now, as that happens incrementally over time and more people are converted, as I believe the

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Bible quite clearly teaches, the world little by little is not just restored. God isn't pushing us back to the garden.

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He is enhancing what happened in that garden you were talking about. And one day the Bible predicts in the prophets that the knowledge of the

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Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea. So that's kind of the calling of the individual to press the claims of Jesus Christ where God has called him or her.

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That is their calling and that's how the kingdom of God expands in time and history. So you mentioned when you started talking something that most

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Christians don't really understand has genuinely affected, impacted our thinking and the church, the view of the world.

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You mentioned Gnosticism. So some Christian says, I know about those Gnostic heretics.

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I know about the Nag Hammadi library. I know about all that mess. I'm not a Gnostic. I don't believe in that nonsense.

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But it's true. Gnosticism has heavily impacted the church. A sort of dualism, an unbiblical dualism where all the sin and curse is bad, it's evil.

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This is really a throwaway. What God is most interested in, he's interested in the spiritual realm. He's interested in taking us out of this place, getting us to heaven one day so God can just sort of be done with this and burn it all with fire.

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Oh, it's a tragic, it's not just an ancient view. So many Christians today basically believe, and I hesitate to use the language, but that the earth itself is a garbage heap.

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But it's not. The Bible doesn't say that. No. The heavens declare the glory of God, Psalm 19 says, and that was even in a sinful realm.

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Yeah. The heavens declare the glory of God so they believe that the body is bad, that healthy sexuality is bad, and of course they can't drink or smoke, and all sorts of physical things.

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Here's a good example. We don't want to get involved in politics because that's dirty business. And Christians withdraw from politics and sure enough it becomes dirty business.

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It sure does. So Gnostics essentially believe that the defect in the world, I mean everybody, we all look around and say there's something wrong here.

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I mean there's a lot of good stuff but there's a lot of bad stuff. Well the Christian answer to that is the little three -letter word in English, sin.

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The Gnostic answer is the creation. The creation itself is defective. And so they're trying always to escape creation.

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And I believe to a degree this is behind part of the rapture view of today.

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Christians are constantly trying to escape. Yeah. But I must say Jeff, the theology of the

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Bible is never a theology of escape. It's always a theology of holy engagement. Yes. We're called to go everywhere in the world preaching the gospel.

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Even ancient Israel was called to engage, not escape. Yeah. Jesus Christ didn't escape.

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He didn't escape the cross. He went through a very difficult, we can't even imagine, the horror that he went through for us.

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And he gets victory after the cross. And so we're called to go through difficulties. People talk about the church escaping the great tribulation.

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Well I'm sorry, we might go through some tribulation. Right. This has actually happened to Christians historically.

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You know it actually has. Yeah. So but in tribulation God has called us to move forward in great victory.

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So there's nothing wrong inherently with this world. There's, it's under the curse of sin. Yeah. There's sin in this world.

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But we don't need deliverance from the world, we need deliverance from sin. Gnostics don't understand that. That's right. And so we, you mentioned it,

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I mean you said it and it's popular and people watching right now, many of you believe this, the idea of disengagement because these are unholy empires.

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The political arena itself is, is that, that's a realm that Jesus doesn't have much concern with.

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You know we talk today, people talk a lot about issues of social justice and we often, we poo -poo the idea of social justice because we see it coming out of the mouths of the liberal, unbelieving, humanist, you know, social justice.

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It's just this sort of very strange, not defined term in itself.

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They don't know what they even mean by it. They can't give you any solid foundation of what are you saying, what do you mean.

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So we hear the liberals, liberal theologians and the cultural Marxists of today, neo -Marxists of today saying things like social justice and we even want to further, further distance ourselves from it because we will think that well

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Jesus in the new covenant, he's not concerned with justice in the world today. He's concerned with souls for heaven, Dr.

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Sandlin, but not justice in the world today. Yeah, that's just utterly false. I mean you think about the great commission,

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Jesus says go and make disciples of all nations. He means disciple the nations. Yeah. It's interesting you hear that term social justice.

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In the Bible apparently a lot of people don't know justice is basically the same word as righteousness. Yes. Now couldn't you imagine today if the liberals would start saying we're standing for social righteousness, well they wouldn't use that term.

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Because that's too christian -y, that's too religious. Yeah. But there's nothing wrong with social righteousness, that's what we're called to do, but according to the law word of God, according to the word of God.

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That's right. So you see when Paul preaches, he begins by preaching, let's even take Galatians and Romans, he's preaching on justification.

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Well that's justice, he's preaching on justice. How do we treat one another? That's justice. He speaks in Romans 13 about the state, the state's supposed to act according to the law of God, ideally.

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Well, that's justice. So throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament there is a concern that the world is a world of justice, which is to say righteousness.

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Now think about this for a minute. The goal of the gospel is to extend the reign of God, the righteousness of God in the world.

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That's what Jesus Christ is all about. If that is the case, if we are not preaching, and not just preaching, but living and acting according to and perpetuating that righteousness, we're not living as gospel people.

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It's ironic, we hear this expression, you've heard it a lot, gospel -centered. We want to be a gospel -centered church.

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People finally ask me about that, and I say, oh yes, I think we need more gospel -centered people, as long as we know what the gospel really is.

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Gospel -centered doesn't just mean we go to church on Sunday and hear a message that people are sinful and need to trust Jesus. Gospel -centered means that all areas of life should be brought under the authority of King Jesus.

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If that's what you mean by gospel -centered, amen, we need more gospel -centered churches. This is my favorite interview. Dr. Andrew Sandlin, thank you guys so very much, brother, thank you,

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God bless you, thank you so much. All right guys, be right back, stay with us right here on Next Week. Everyone, just so you know, there's a lot more to this interview with Dr.

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Thank you guys for watching. Thank you, everybody. Thank you so much.

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Welcome back to Next Week. Hey, we're finishing the show now, everybody. I wanted to point you to two really amazing things.

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Number one, we are getting ready to drop a documentary on the Eighth Amendment, the repeal of the

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Eighth Amendment in Ireland. Right now, it's illegal in Ireland to have an abortion, Southern Ireland, Northern Ireland, but they're working to repeal the

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Eighth Amendment, which would effectively legalize abortion in Ireland. We just learned that Facebook is going to be blocking advertisements or boosts from foreign countries that try to influence what's happening with the

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Eighth Amendment in Ireland. So that brings us to this. We need your help. We're about to drop a documentary that will speak to the church in Ireland about how to approach the culture of death in Ireland, how to fight against this with the gospel itself.

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We really need your help. So we're going to drop it on YouTube, on Apologia Studios, and on this channel on Facebook.

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We really need your help to like that, to share it, to let everybody know, because we can't actually boost it and advertise with it, because Facebook is blocking it.

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And so we need your help. So be on the lookout for that. We're going to let you guys all know about it when it happens. Please help us to get the word out and to effectively minister to the church in Ireland and to block the culture of death, of course, in the

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United States, but in Ireland as well. Which brings me to this amazing thing I just wanted to share with you.

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Some of you have been with us for a very, very long time. You've been praying for endabortionnow .com.

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You even gave financially toward it. Well, I just wanted this to be a blessing to you. Not only are there over 250 churches now across the country that are saving lives this very day and bringing the gospel to the abortion mills, but Yahoo had a cover story just yesterday that I wanted to share with you.

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We can go and put that up, Marcus, so everyone can see. This was the article, U .S. abortion clinics face surge of trespassing and blockades.

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Now, however that's worded, what is said in the article is that a study was done that in 2017, there was a massive surge of people that went to the abortion mills across the country and that were ultimately, we know, preaching the gospel.

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There were some other things said that have nothing to do with us in terms of trespassing and illegal activities and things like that, but in terms of this surge of Christians going to the abortion mills, it's like they couldn't believe it.

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In 2017, it was such a massive surge, and I want to say there is no question in my mind that that is you.

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Over 250 churches across the country now going to the abortion mills on a regular basis, preaching the gospel and saving lives.

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You did that. God is sovereign, of course. Yes, he's sovereign, but you did that.

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If you prayed for this ministry and you gave to this ministry, you are a part of what's happening across the country.

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It's like they can't believe what's hidden. Christians being faithful, standing up, being bold and humble and loving and going to those abortion clinics and saving lives.

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This is the result of your labor. Of course, God gets all the credit, and we boast only in him, but this is the hands and feet of the movement actually happening.

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It's happening in the world, and so I just want to encourage you with that. Thank you guys so much for blessing us and allowing us to be part of this with you.

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You can do that at endabortionnow .com. Thank you so much for watching this episode. It means so much to us that you do. Thank you for working with us to fight the culture of death.

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We will catch you next week on Next Week with Jeff Durbin, right here, same time, same place. We'll see you then, guys. Thank you.