He Gets Us?

Hello and welcome to the Conversations That Matter podcast. I'm your host, John Harris, and a few announcements before we get to the main topic, which will be, he gets us. Yeah, that's the name of a campaign, an evangelistic campaign.

I didn't know about this until a few days ago. A pastor friend who's in the SBC called me and said, hey, I was watching television, saw this advertisement, really weird, and he goes, the particular one he saw, and he goes, and then I have this email in my inbox from Kevin Eazell saying that the Southern Baptists are behind it.

And I said, no way, really? I gotta go check this out. So I watched like two of them. We might watch more. And I thought, huh, I should do a show on this. And I decided also to go to their website because they have an intake.

And I posed as myself. I didn't pose as anyone, I was just me. But I gave them some information. I asked them questions is what I did. And I came from, let's say, just a more conservative perspective.

A someone who would be considered maybe a MAGA Republican, right? Well, I did that because Tom Buck on Twitter decided to, and he's a Southern Baptist pastor, decided to go to the intake and ask them questions.

But instead he gave the impression he was a gay guy. And so, and I think he worded it carefully so to try to avoid lying, but it was, that's the impression he gave off. And the way that his questions were handled versus the way that my questions were handled, very different.

And that's what I wanna show you. So we're gonna talk about that. But a few things, I wanna say first, announcement. The video that I put out there on YouTube of Bart Barber's 60 Minutes interview, and I analyzed it, it's gone.

YouTube scrubbed it, copyright issue of some kind. And it just, it's YouTube. It should fall under fair use, I would think, but I don't know how they, I'm trying right now to see if I can edit it somehow to get it back up.

But Rumble, iTunes, there's other places you can get that information. Facebook, I've uploaded the video. You can see it all there if you're interested and if you're wondering, hey, what happened to the video?

So that's what happened to it. I don't know even who filed the claim. I'm assuming CBS since it's 60 Minutes and that's what I was commenting on. What else? So I wanted to just let you know this because I didn't have a complete picture.

I mean, what I said, I don't think it was inaccurate yesterday, but I might've chosen my words a little differently, maybe, if I knew that this happened. So I didn't know Kanye West had tweeted this out.

Maybe they deleted the tweet and that's why I didn't see it. I think, because I went through his Twitter feed and I didn't see anything like this, but there's a screenshot from vibe .com. Kanye West on October 8th.

I'm a bit sleepy tonight, but when I wake up, I'm going to DEFCON 3. I think he meant DEFCON 3. That's when the military is on heightened alert. They're not attacking anything. They're just waiting to be attacked and respond.

On Jewish people, he says, I'm going to DEFCON 3 on Jewish people. The funny thing is I actually can't be anti-Semitic. That is kind of funny. Because black people, he says, are actually Jewish. You guys have toyed with me and tried to blackball anyone who ever opposes your agenda.

Now, I don't know exactly what this means or what sparked this. The tweet that I referenced yesterday in the podcast, I think was afterward. And all he says, who do you think started cancel culture? That was it.

And it was flagged. And it was against Twitter's policies. And I was like, this is ridiculous. Like, what, why? And people were saying it was anti-Semitic. And I was like, what's me anti-Semitic? I don't understand how this is in anything.

And so I'm going to still stand behind the, I'm going to stand behind that because you have to read into it a tweet from a few days prior. And all he's doing is asking a question. He's not making any statements.

And it's possible that is what he meant. He wanted people to think it was Jewish people who started cancel culture. But it's not, he doesn't spell it out in the tweet that I was talking about yesterday.

And Twitter, I guess, had deleted this previous tweet. And so I just want to let everyone know this. There's some context here I wasn't aware of. And here's the big story though in all this. Apparently this has caused JPMorgan Chase to drop Kanye West.

He can't bank with him anymore because of this. So this is kind of shocking. So think about this, Twitter, think about this. Twitter is a platform that has pornography on it. You can have pornography on Twitter.

You can say all manner, I mean, the Ayatollah Khamenei or however you pronounce that. I'm pronouncing it the way Ted Cruz does. They also can, they have their Twitter accounts. Dictators have their Twitter accounts.

They can say all kinds of things. In fact, it was a few years ago, I remember, there was like a bunch of anti-Semitic stuff from Middle Eastern accounts that it was brought up like, why aren't you going after this?

But you're going after people in the United States for things that seem more minor. So this platform is now all up in arms about Kanye West and what Kanye West puts here. And it's obviously not a free speech platform.

It's just, that's the sad part. It's like, you can disagree with this, but it doesn't mean that you have to cancel his Twitter or pull his, you know, he can't bank with us anymore, but that's the America that we're now more and more living in.

And it is kind of scary, to be honest. He didn't do violence against anyone. He didn't break any laws. He stated an opinion, which many of us would disagree with, especially Kanye saying he's Jewish. Maybe he's got some Jewish blood in him, but he's saying because he's black, he's Jewish, which sounds Hebrew-Israelite to me.

But okay, it's a free country, right? You're not hurting anyone. You're not breaking any laws. You know, what's the problem with this? You're not blaspheming anything, but in the minds of the woke, you are.

You are blaspheming something. You are offending their racialist ideology by saying something like this. And so it is something that might be, that might be wrong or disagreeable, but not harmful, not something that you should, you know, completely kick someone off a social media platform for saying, in the minds of many, including myself, is completely wrong to the elites at Twitter, whereas pornography is fine.

That's what you gotta see, I guess. That's the only point I wanna make, is that they're operating off of a completely different value system. And the proportion, the sense of proportion they have is totally off and it's totally different from what they see as a molehill is a mountain and vice versa to someone who's a Christian or even just a traditional American.

It's such a departure. So anyway, they've probably created a lot more traffic to this particular screenshot of this tweet by doing all of this. And it defeats the whole purpose. I mean, people can look at this and be like, Conway's kind of had a, that's a bad take, Kanye, and then go on with their life.

Instead, it's flashed before you and it's all over the place. And now everyone sees it. And now people are probably considering it, especially guys who like Kanye West, some fans of his are now probably thinking, this proves Kanye's point.

So just wanted to let you know about, not that this is a big news item, but I commented on it without having all that context of why people were reading into the tweet I commented on yesterday, all of this.

And now, now you know. All right, so the other thing I was gonna show you is this, okay. Accountable to You software, which is a accountability software to keep you from viewing certain Twitter channels because they're harmful to your soul.

They're destructive, biblically speaking, okay? And it's a good program. Guess, these stories were made to go together. Guess who is censoring Accountable to You? Google Play Store and the Android app.

They don't want you to have accountability software that you choose to put on your phone so that you can be prevented from going to websites that would be harmful. And that's a choice you make. It's not like it's being even imposed on you.

This is how far we've come. We've come from pornography is illegal in most states to now, and even the film industry is regulating itself to now, you can't even choose if you have a phone, an Android phone.

You can't even choose to go to the Google Play Store and download something to self-regulate because there was a story that Wired put out there and the story gave the impression that this is some horrible, I guess, Orwellian type surveillance device, which I'm thinking like, you have a problem with that?

You mean, the cell phone you have can be pinged. I mean, have you seen Snowden? It's much worse now as far as the technology that they have, the government has. It's, I don't know. It's just, the same Google that is working in tandem with the government to track people who got the jab is the same Google that's just so offended by Accountable to You.

This is the broken moral conscience that is developing in the minds of elites that their sense of proportion is so off. This is evil. To block, to have a voluntary device that blocks pornography is evil.

To have pornography on Twitter is perfectly fine, but Kanye West can't come out and say something that's kind of off and mean and inaccurate. Man, man. It's not the country that I remember. Okay, so that's, I just wanted to show you that.

Now let's get to the meat of this, okay? This is why people are watching. He Gets Us, He Gets Us. This is the website for He Gets Us. And I wanna show you, here is Kevin Eazell with Ed Stetzer. And they have something to say about this.

Talk about Jesus in a polarized time. No, anyone who regularly shares their faith, whether it's on an airplane, engaging people, you're always looking for conversation starters. So you're not having to go from, you know, just completely cold to nothing.

That's what's so beautiful about these ads, because it gives you a starter. It's a starter to engage someone with a gospel conversation. And so, yeah, I think people who regularly share their faith and are looking to engage people in evangelistic opportunities are gonna love this.

People who don't are gonna be a little bit more concerned or leery of it. But that's, to me, they're all trigger points of allowing the opportunity to just start those conversations.

The He Gets Us Campaign as an Evangelistic Strategy

Okay, so you heard it here. The whole point is evangelism. And if you're against evangelism, if you're not into evangelism, you may not like it. So what's the implication? People who like evangelism are gonna like this.

So any criticism of this comes from somebody who doesn't like evangelism. So apparently, I don't like evangelism if I go after this at all. That's a way to try to hedge against criticism right away by impugning motives.

So that's what Ed Stetzer, or rather, Kevin Eazell says about this. And look, I was open-minded when I first saw it. Of course, the pastor friend told me that he was kind of just, he disappointed with the one he saw.

But I thought, okay, maybe some of them are okay. Here's the one that I saw first. Let's see. There's different ones. Man, I don't remember which one I saw now. There's two of the rebels. One's 31 seconds, one's a minute.

Let's go to the one that's a minute. All right, and let's just play this.

A rebel took to the streets. He recruited others to join him. They quit their jobs, left their families, and swore allegiance to him. They roamed the hood, challenged authority, and made a lot of people uneasy.

Community leaders feared them. Wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on. Okay, so two white women in the suburbs, pretty uneasy about guys jumping fences, skateboarding where, well, skateboarding on the sidewalk, kind of in the inner city.

Looks like, swore allegiance to him. It looks like they had angry faces there. It looks like a gang or something. Okay, so just so people who are listening know the context of this.

Community leaders feared them. Religious leaders abhorred them. Law enforcement labeled them outlaws.

It looks like a member of La Raza or, not La Raza, what am I thinking, MS -13 or something, and like a lowrider, it's, you know, I'm super cool, got all these rings and even the furry steering wheel there.

But, I mean, the image is gangs. We're talking about inner city gangs, and look, these guys are problems, right? Because why? They break the law. But they're gonna make a switch here in a minute.

We have to shut them down, they said. Get them off the streets. Protect our communities from these troublemakers. But they weren't part of a gang spreading hate and terror. They were spreading love.

And then it says, Jesus was wrongly judged. Oh, just like churches, local communities, and apparently white women in the suburbs feel uncomfortable about gangs and violence in their community. That's at least what you're thinking when you see the images that they put in front of you.

Like, that must be what you're talking about. Jesus, this is the switch. Jesus was wrongly judged. He gets us, all of us. You might be saying to yourself, doesn't Hebrew say that Jesus could, he can empathize with our weaknesses?

Because wasn't he tempted in all points as we are yet without sin? Doesn't it say that in the Bible? And I say, yeah. Who's that said to though? Is that said to Christians or non-Christians? It's a question I have.

Was that an evangelistic tool? Number one, I think you're gonna find, no, that was to Christians. That was to comfort Christians. Wasn't it about an evangelistic tool? But number two here, the whole framing of this who's it trying to appeal to?

Tough guys. But it's not tough guys in red areas. It's not just tough guys. It's tough guys who are, I mean, I don't know how to get away from the images they give you that are probably criminals in some way, or at least, I mean, why is all of society opposing them and saying we gotta get them off the streets?

We need to deal with them. So Jesus is now compared to them. That's kind of offensive, I would think. But it's trying to, the whole appeal of this is to try to get people who wouldn't consider Jesus maybe, wouldn't consider church, they need to consider him for the reason that he's just like them.

They can identify with him because he's a rebel too. But Jesus sat with tax gatherers, sinners, prostitutes who were repentant. That's the whole point. He didn't identify with them in their sin, in their state.

And they had to want to be washed clean of those things. The call is to repent. His name is Jesus because, what does the name Jesus mean? He will save his people from his sins. Yahweh is savior. I mean, Jesus saves.

Came to seek and save the lost. That's the whole point. So this doesn't give you the impression you have to change anything. There's a problem with your identity because you're just misunderstood just like Jesus was misunderstood.

It's so outside the scope of biblical evangelism. I don't even really quite know where to put it. But this is, and it's possible people will become saved. I mean, it happens because of campaigns like this.

I'm not saying there won't be some people that might, it might funnel them into a church that actually preaches the gospel. That is possible. But the whole, the method from the beginning is a man-centered approach here.

This isn't man, come to God, repent. Trust in Jesus. There is no, none of that's in this. Trust in Jesus for your forgiveness. And the thing is, I want to say like I don't, I don't necessarily think all campaigns have to have the entire, every facet of understanding the gospel in, it's in a minute video.

But the good news, Jesus saves. You would think it would be, it's an evangelistic thing, right? Wouldn't the good news be in there somewhere? Jesus saves, come to Jesus. He saves you from your sin. Wouldn't a better video be something like, here you are in crime and destitution and cities falling apart and there's hope for you because of what Jesus has done.

You don't have to live in your sin because of what Jesus has done. He took your sins. I would think, I mean, I'm sure they probably focused group this and everything else. It's got over 24 million views.

So there you go. That's the one I, I think that's the one I saw. I saw two, yeah. I might've seen the shorter version of this. But I'll show you in a minute the conversation I had. There was another one that I saw.

Maybe it was outrage. I think it was outrage.

Jesus as a Rebel Against Outrage

So check this one out. There was this controversial figure.

Okay, what does that look like? It looks like a, like a BLM rally or some kind of a protest. I don't know what, but it's in an urban area. It's, so there's a guy with a microphone. We're not sure, but it's controversial figure.

It looks like some kind of a protest, probably like a left-leaning protest. You just get from the aesthetics of the image.

Everywhere he went, people challenged him. They questioned his ideology, trolled him,.

Called him ugly names. Okay, so there's, I think, now this one looks like, I don't know, this is like a town hall meeting and it's like, it's a couple, middle-aged white couple, and they're just furious about something.

I mean, it's just letting the steam, steam out.

But he never took the bait, never raised his voice. Refused to retaliate because he believed he could change the world by turning the other cheek.

Says Jesus had to control his outrage too. He gets us, all of us. Now, that's not quite as bad as the last one. It says, but it says he refused to retaliate because he believed he could change the world.

Is that why he refused to retaliate? He's like, man, I'm gonna fumble this whole changing the world thing if I retaliate here. The reason that he turned the other cheek was why? Why did he not call angels down to save him?

Why did, was he in the garden sweating drops of blood saying, Lord, not my will, but your will? Why did all that happen? Because he came to seek and save the lost, do his father's will, which was that.

That's why? That's missing from this. It's not about Jesus had to control his outrage too. It's not, I mean, here's the thing with both of these advertisements, you could easily have any cult put these out.

This could be a Mormon church. It almost feels like a Mormon church campaign and no one would know the difference. So Jesus, you can relate to Jesus because you're outraged about injustice or something.

He was outraged and you feel like it's bubbling up in you and he felt the same way, but you know, I guess what would you leave with? I guess I could change the world too. I don't know. It's not a come to Jesus, submit to him.

He is the master. Guess this Jesus who controlled his outrage, guess what he's doing? He's coming back with a double-edged sword and it's boiling over, man. That's Christian theology right there. He's taking it out.

There's a place called hell where he punishes, made for the demons, but people who sin and do not repent will be punished. This is biblical theology. Oh yeah, Jesus controlled his outrage by letting it out at the proper time.

And there's an anger that is evil. There's an anger that is, the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God and there's a righteous indignation and those are two different things. And this is like, all the images here are people who just look like they're angry at others, mostly political settings, it seems, and just bubbling over in their outrage, but you get the impression, I guess, looking at this that the political protest outrage you have, here's people lighting a vigil.

The whole thing feels like cop shootings, to be honest with you. It feels like someone died, it's a vigil for them, but I mean, it could be more than that. But anyway, the anger that you have is kind of like legitimized by this.

You know, Jesus was just like you. He was angry too. Really? Really? In the same way? I don't know. And again, there's no actual good news in this. There's no gospel in this. Okay, do we want to dare see any of these other ones?

There's so many of them. Oh, it looks like, have I watched this? I know there was only two I watched. Maybe I, huh. YouTube's saying I watched this. So maybe, you know what? I probably had it on like play and it just kept playing stuff.

So I haven't seen this yet. The Struggle, it says. It's poverty, inner city, some real stuff too, but mostly poverty, bad conditions. Jesus struggled to make ends meet too. He gets us, all of us. Okay, I mean, this may be the worst one yet.

Jesus struggled to make ends meet? He struggled? Did Jesus struggle? Come on, he's God. He divided loaves and fish to feed 5 ,000 men, not to mention women and children. He struggled? I mean, he was in the desert being tested by the devil, forsaking of his own.

He was submitting to God's will by forsaking, by fasting. That's not the same as struggling to make ends meet. I mean, this is a, they're making Jesus so, it's not even just making him so human. They're making him so human and giving the impression he's a flawed human in so many of these.

This one in particular though, it's just that he has the limitations that we have somehow on making ends meet. And I guess that's why you should come to, I mean, it's not even a rousing cry to come to Jesus because it's like, man, I'm struggling, I can't eat.

Oh, Jesus also struggled, he couldn't eat. Well, I guess he can't help me then because I'm struggling. The only comfort is, I guess he relates to me, but you have to supply in your mind, the idea that Jesus is God and for this to even be remotely appealing.

This is, how much money is being wasted on this stuff? That's the question I have. All right, let's, should we do another one? Do we dare? Do we dare? The influencer, good times. Anxiety. I don't even know if I wanna go that much.

Let's do one more, can we do one more? All right, we'll do dinner party. We'll do the one minute version here.

Jesus and the Dinner Party Table

A caring man took a walk. Everywhere he looked, people suffered. Anxiety ran high, hope dwindled, hatred rose. Gang violence, it looks like. His neighbors had lost trust in the system and in each other.

In the system, yeah. I need to do something.

I need to do something. I don't know what, so a car's burning, okay. I need to do something, he thought. I'll bring them together and feed them. Around the dinner table, they can talk and see how much they have in common.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what was that? Okay, I think it's just, okay, mother and her child, I guess.

Shared struggles, shared joy, shared pain. So he prepared a feast and invited all into his home, but some refused to sit at his table because they chose to only see differences. He was heartbroken because he wanted everyone to eat and be filled, not with food and wine, but with compassion.

Jesus welcomes all to the table, he gets us all. Okay, this is garbage, this is such garbage because the way they portray Jesus. So he, let's see, he brought them together because he wanted to do something about all the people being arrested and poverty and all that, suffering.

So he brought them around the dinner table so they could talk and see how much they had in common. Really, that's what Jesus did? He brought them around the dinner table so they could talk and see how much they have in common.

That was his purpose. See how much you guys have in common and you'll eliminate, you can have John Lennon's imagine but still have Jesus, right? See how much you have in common, sing kumbaya together.

I don't think that's what Jesus was doing. And where do you get this in scripture? Yes, Jesus ate and he ate with tax gatherers, sinners, prostitutes, repentant tax gatherers, sinners, prostitutes. They came to him on his terms because they were humbled.

They did not, it wasn't a moment of world peace, see how much you have in common. In fact, the only commonality they shared was their, the fact that they're coming to Jesus in humility saying, I need forgiveness for my sin.

That's the only glue. I've said this before. It's that you want people to have commonality with each other. And that's, this is the whole idea I think behind much of the Christian nationalism is like, we need some glue to bind us together, Christianity.

People from different backgrounds seeing that in different cultures, et cetera, seeing that they are equally forgiven, equally sinners, equally forgiven and part of a new family also, in addition to their earthly families, the family of God.

That would be, it wasn't that they can just come and immediately see how much they have in common. Repentance is required here before there's any commonality. And that's not even the purpose. It's not, purpose isn't to bring people together so they have something in common.

The purpose is forgiveness of sins, following Jesus, being a disciple, knowing God. The result, one of the by-products is that now you have fellowship. You have something in common with other people who are also forgiven.

But this takes one of the by-products and makes it, at best, it makes it the purpose of the whole thing. It rearranges it. They shared struggles, shared pain. He prepared a feast and invited all into his home.

Well, I guess that must be talking about, it can't be talking about the Last Supper. That's not his home. This has to be talking about where he preparing mansions in heaven, I guess. That must be what he's talking, what this is referencing.

But some refused to sit because they chose to only see differences. So the Pharisees, apparently that was their hangup that they just, they only wanted to see differences. It's such bunk. That's not the Pharisees' root issue.

The Pharisees' issue with Jesus was, it was multifaceted, but he was threatening their influence, their authority. But the main issue that the Pharisees have with Jesus is his message was different than theirs.

They preached submission to these exterior, these rules that they had come up with, and that would render holiness. And Jesus said, unless your righteousness surpasses the scribes and the Pharisees, you won't enter the kingdom of heaven.

That's the thing that made them mad. Jesus is out of step with us, challenging our authority, and the people are actually following him, some of them. It wasn't because they chose to only see differences.

So if they would have come and sang Kumbaya and been like, oh, we're all the same, we're bleed red, then they would have been fine with Jesus? No. Like I said, a Mormon could put this out. Man, should we do another one?

That was gonna be the last one. That was the dinner party. Let's see, they have one. I can't do anymore. I just don't think I can take it right now. So this is a He Gets Us campaign. And I would submit to you, this is a terrible campaign.

So here is, oh, I don't wanna show this right now. We'll get to that at the end. Here is Tom Buck. Tom Buck, SBC pastor, more on the conservative side of things. And this is what he says. Kevin Eazell wanted us to join the He Gets Us movement.

If you're against it, Eazell says you aren't evangelistic. So I went to the website and had a chat. How evangelistic are they? What would they say to someone looking for a church who will let them be gay?

Here's the conversation. Can you point me to a church that will not tell me I can't be gay? And the person, Destiny is her name, said, well, I can give you some resources and you can search about that.

He says, are you a Christian? I guess. Yes, I am a Christian, Destiny says. So Tom says, so you don't agree with my friends. I don't have to stop being gay to be a Christian. They claim that's what the Bible says.

Destiny says, as my perspective, no, Jesus don't judge about that. Wow, wow. So Jesus doesn't judge. He doesn't say you have to stop being gay. This is the whole point I said with this whole campaign.

It gives you the impression you could just keep being who you are. Like, it's a good thing, because Jesus is like you. And if it's sinful, if you're anger, if you're rebelliousness, it's all you can, it doesn't flesh out what biblical righteous indignation would be.

It just gives you the impression that you're down for the struggle with BLM or something. And that's, Jesus would have been the same way and it justifies it. This is appealing to people on the basis of Jesus.

He gets you because, and if there's any attraction, it's because he does the same things and that justifies your behavior. All right, so Jesus doesn't judge about that. He doesn't judge about being gay, apparently.

And so Tom Buck says, so you don't agree with my friends. I don't have to stop being gay to be Christian. They claim that's what the Bible says. Jesus doesn't judge about that. And then she says, you can go to church and love him as much as he loves you and everyone.

I hope you can find that church you are looking for. Wow, interesting. So, and then, let's see. Can I be transgender and a Christian? With another guy, Steve. The love of Jesus is for everyone. But is being transgender wrong or a sin Jesus was sacrificed for?

We aren't here to tell people what's sin and what's not. But if you're looking to have a discussion about sin, we can have a great team here that can connect you to a local church. Okay, look at the way these two separate individuals in taking questions about this campaign, he gets us.

Look at the way they handled Tom Buck's questions about transgenderism and homosexuality. Now, if I can pull it up, here is my discussion with he gets us, with someone named Mary. And this is what I said.

She said, hi there, how can I help you today? I said, I just saw your video on Jesus being a rebel. I am kind, let's see if I can put myself up here so you can see. I am kind of, where is it? Okay, I am kind of a rebel too.

It's true, I kind of am, I guess. You don't, all you have to do is keep the same political positions and even or biblical Christianity, just Orthodox Christian beliefs that you had in 2010. Keep those in 2022 and you are a rebel.

So I said, I'm kind of a rebel too. I don't seem to fit in at most churches, can you help me? Glad you are here. I said, thank you. I have a resource where you can get connected with local churches. I said, I want a church that won't shame me for being white or male.

I can't stand that. I don't have direct knowledge about each of our churches. I would definitely encourage you to get connected. We're here to, we're happy to hear you're interested in finding a local church, that's awesome.

And we would love to help. If you go to this link and fill out a form, we'll be able to get you connected. Is there anything else I can help you with? I said, thanks. I don't think I want to be funneled to someone right now.

I'm more interested in finding community among real Christians who think being masculine and white are fine. Churches I've attended seem to be so woke, like Jesus never used a whip. The advertisement you put out there seemed to indicate a Jesus who was more rebel against society, maybe against the BLM social justice warrior nonsense?

Question mark. So obviously there, I'm, the video you saw, the rebel video, it seems like they're more rebel against like the people, they're more on the BLM side. That's the impression at least you get from that video.

But I'm just going with the concept of being a rebel that these guys look like tough weathered men, and maybe, and that's why I pose it as a question, maybe against that stuff, BLM, SJW, just to see what your reaction is gonna be.

Is that what you are all about or did I come to the wrong place? So she says, our main goal is to spread the radical love of Jesus. The purpose of He Gets Us campaign isn't to discuss theological difference or express the beliefs of those supporting this site.

Our goal is to spread the radical love that Jesus has for all people. Okay, so not here to discuss theological difference. I mean, that's gonna be part of, you would think at least, that's gonna be part of the, what they would have to, if a Mormon came on here, I mean, would they say that?

What's the theological difference that I brought up? I wanna know if there's a church against social justice and BLM, is there a church, this is what I say, is there a church where it's okay to be masculine and white?

Is that okay? I'm not here to discuss theological differences or express the beliefs of those supporting this site. So on LGBT and transgender questions, all of a sudden, boom, the guys who Tom Buck was talking to, oh, very welcoming, very affirming.

But as soon as I'm like, is it okay to be white and masculine? Oh, I'm not, I can't discuss theological differences or express beliefs. Then what's the point? Our goal is to spread the radical love of Jesus.

Okay, does Jesus love masculine people who are males and white? Is that acceptable? See, this is the difference between the way I'm treated and the way Tom Buck was treated, coming from the left or coming from the right.

Now here, I say, what kind of love though? I love my people and I want to protect them. I don't love the evil coming from the LGBT, BLM, Me Too, et cetera movements that threatens my family. I just wanna find a church that was loving enough to stay open for their people in 2020.

The one I attended shut down. Is there a way you can at least connect me with a church like that? The rebel image in your advertisement seemed to indicate you all weren't messing around. I'm sorry, she says, do you feel my answers aren't satisfactory?

If you would like to express your concerns, you're welcome to contact info at hegetsus .com. And then it's a rate, the conversation. It's just, it's done. She shut down the whole conversation at that point.

That is so different than what Tom Buck experienced. Is it not? These advertisements gives you the impression they're looking for a certain kind of person to, they're targeting a certain demographics more than others.

And it's definitely slanted towards the left. That's what it seems like. As soon as you have someone from the right coming on, and I'm not saying just political right. It's, there's a theological element to this.