June 29, 2021 Show with Mark Chanski on “The Mission of the Reformed Baptist Network”

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The Mission of the Reformed Baptist Network and Its Commitment to Local Church Autonomy

And today we are going to be addressing the mission of the Reform Baptist Network and how it does not violate the Baptist principle of the independence and autonomy of local churches. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Mark Chansky.

Chris, again, it's a privilege to be with you. I really appreciate the opportunities that you give me to be on your radio program.

A great blessing. And I appreciate your accepting those invitations. And tell our listeners, for those of our listeners who are unfamiliar with Harbor Reform Baptist Church of Holland, Michigan, tell us about that church.

Yes, Grand Rapids. And then we thought maybe we would try to play Holland, Michigan, about four families. We'll play it, but we want one of the pastors from the Grand Rapids Church. It's been 27 years, the Lord's 97, and he's added to our numbers.

He's been part of a century. And then, about which we're going to ponder being and Gordon Tate coordinator, guys asking me to become the coordinator was like asking me to be a field goal kicker. I'm curious about that.

As I pray instead of that, and then in addition to that, the Lord has, who is now that the Lord over my shoulder, I'm really confident now that there's established.

Tell us about exactly what the Reform Baptist Network is. Many people hearing that name might think that it is a radio or television network, although that would be great, wouldn't it? To have a Reform Baptist Network that was entirely Reform Baptist on radio or television, but that's not what it is.

Tell us about what exactly this organization is.

Yeah, Chris, you are the one who's Reform Baptist Media, not us. But said in Matthew 28, all was established in, I think it was actually 20 together, you know, the statement, many hands make light work.

If you got a guy working together with a Californian, work together in a faith, the Bible is our authority to provide that. That's what we're networking together to do.

Other than an official adherence adoption of the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith, also known as the Second London Confession, what else must a church and its leaders believe to be welcomed into membership at Reform Baptist Network, for instance, although most of the Reform Baptist pastors and churches that I am personally, of which I am personally aware, have a non-millennial position on eschatology, but I do know post-millennialists amongst Reform Baptists, and I know historic pre-millennialists.

Tell us about some of the differences that may be allowed as well as what you insist upon.

Well, you mentioned that it does not specify pre-mill.

Right, in fact, Charles Aden Spurgeon was historic pre-mill, and he adopted the confession.

Yes, exactly, yes, exactly. Most of the men in the network are all-millennial, and that would be the theological position. We do call for and confession, however, we would, and application, essential.

We wrote up 1689 in the Vatican, and that's not an issue. Other areas as well.

Over the years, I have discovered that there have been Baptist churches, there are Baptist churches, believe it or not, that have on their websites, that have an official declaration and identity as adherents to the 1689 London Baptist Confession, but they are landmark Baptists, they are primitive Baptists, they are dispensational Calvinists, are any of those areas something that, whereas you might not view them as any less brethren in Christ, the disagreements might be too much for you to have them be a part of the Reformed Baptist network?

Oh sure, if we found someone who was area-aware, if we were trying to send out a missionary together, really be promoting harmony, and again, that's that point of making sure that the areas that are, and I think it's important that we as Reformed Baptists, there may be some, I mean even the issue of, even take the Lord's Day, when it comes to the, we might actually, on a Sunday evening, give an opinion on this, and so we wouldn't say that this is, going back to the regulative principle, just in case there are listeners who are unfamiliar.

With that term, it's basically that churches are commanded to only practice things that are explicitly in Scripture during a worship service, and that they are only to practice these things, and that they must practice these things, and that the silence in Scripture regarding certain things that may be commonplace today is viewed as restrictive, not as an open door for liberty, whereas those who believe in the normative principle think that as long as something isn't a clear violation of Scripture, they have the liberty to have such things in a worship service.

In fact, there's even, as you are well aware, differences of opinion amongst Reformed Christians that claim to adhere to the regulative principle. You have some that are strictly a cappella, because of that, with no musical instrumentation, since there is no musical instrumentation mentioned in the New Testament, and might I add to what I said earlier, it's the things that are explicitly mentioned in the New Testament, not in the entirety of Scripture, but things that are explicitly mentioned in the New Testament, that are only those things that can be practiced during a worship service.

You have some that practice exclusive psalmody, you have some that practice both exclusive a cappella and exclusive psalmody, and you have others that sing hymns, like most, and use musical instruments.

So, there is differences of opinion on that.

Yeah, it's the character of a mime troupe, and we worship by dancing on a stage with leotards on Sunday mornings, and we come to your church and help with worship. So, I'm obligated to go to the spring that has a song, and it's okay!

Ephesians asks us to sing to the Lord, to ask us to dance right at the Lord's table. These are the things we enclose. Like you said, some may be exclusive inside that piano. Really, that's a percussion instrument, and by the way, inside that piano are strings, and the guitar.

As I say, worship in New Jersey is going to be Lithuania and Michigan, and I may have been raised on, but they're wearing sandals. They're worshiping in spirit and in truth. I'm thankful for that, and not try to uniformitize and be hypercritical of others who don't do it provincially, just the same way that we do it.

So, you're saying that I should leave my leotards home on Sunday and not bring my mime.

Makeup with me, either? Well, that's why we're not going to have you be in between the pastoral.

Prayer and the second. I can still remember back in the 1980s, the first time I heard our mutual friend and dear brother Greg Nichols preach, and he was a visiting preacher at the church where I was saved, Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville, Long Island, which later became Grace Reform Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, where you preached not long ago as a visitor.

I love that church. Yeah, so do I. That's my former church before moving to Pennsylvania, but I can remember Greg preaching, and I can remember him in a very loud voice saying, they're bringing puppet shows into the church!

And it is quite a tragedy that people have such a frivolous view of the concept of worship that they would dare do such things. I mean, obviously, I'm not against Christians having puppet shows for kids and other venues, but in a worship service, that's a little bit ridiculous, or more than a.

Little bit ridiculous. Sure, sure. They called us to bring. So again, it was a small choir, that small choir. The worship team was singing. I've called for sing-song. The church may do it differently in our network, but again, the point is, there's going to be diversity.

And I think that's really important regarding even the personality of... I think that's really important that we cooperate, because frankly, I've been a Reformed Baptist since about 1980. I will call myself guilty as well.

There were times when, I can't say that, when we have had unnecessary division among us because of uniformity on even Central. In fact, I'd love for you to pick up.

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And by the way, please extend my warmest greetings to Gordon, I absolutely love his preaching and have heard him preach at Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania, where I am a member, and he's a dear brother, and in fact I've interviewed him in the past, and his wife, actually.

But today we are addressing the mission of the Reform Baptist Network and how it does not violate the Baptist principle of the independence and autonomy of local churches. And right before the break, you were speaking about the reality, we were pointing the fingers at ourselves, as it were, in regard to Reform Baptists, that we have a well-deserved reputation, especially in years past, of being judgmental, even to a sinful extent, over the way we have criticized and maybe even to the level of shunning people and churches that didn't do exactly everything the way we do it lockstep, and there were peripheral issues of disagreement that Reform Baptists have seemed to put right next to the solos of the Reformation, the Five Points of Calvinism, and some of the other.

Pillars of the Christian faith. Yes, yes, yes, because, well said. In the Reform Baptist history, there has been the phenomenon of straining out gnats and swallowing camels. Ephesians 4 says that we are to live in peace and be kind to one another.

What I've been able to see in the Reform Baptist Network, I, frankly, am a Reform Baptist pastor for over 35 years, and during that time, years, I've ate four offs. And in the Network, a light crashed by our Lord to love, and I went through the book of Acts a number of years ago, Chris, and I think of the Apostle Paul, the way he ministered to different people in different ways.

Like in Acts 13, he ministers to these synagogue Jews in a fulfillment, but then he goes in Acts 14 to those rural Gentiles and ministered to them differently. He referred to our general revelers, and then you go on in a totally different way, quoting these Epimenides and Aracists.

So I think we see that there's, Dan, that among our sister churches who hold the like precious faith together, we're just gonna look different. Like even our, uh, the Cowboy West, you've got Paschaline, and we need to be able together.

Reform Baptist Network, there is to dwell with each other in ways that are character, changes the mind as we, uh, iron sharpen. An anonymous listener who says, I have witnessed.

Some very severe legalism, in my opinion, as a Reform Baptist, uh, from other Reform Baptists. I was wondering if this is because the Reform Baptist movement largely came out of churches that were formerly independent fundamentalist Baptists.

There seems to be a lot of similarity between old school Reform Baptists and independent fundamentalists, other than the rampant anti-Calvinist theology that exists amongst many of them, but not all.

It seems that the only thing I can see that separated the Reform Baptists from the independent fundamentalists in issues other than theology is the liberty to consume alcohol responsibly. But is this the case that Reform Baptist churches largely came out of independent fundamentalists?

And the reason why I'm wondering if this is true is because today you have Reform Baptist churches that are less likely to be so legalistic because they have not come out of that movement being the children and grandchildren, as far as churches are concerned, of the original Reform Baptists that seem to be in a resurgence in the 1950s and 60s.

Yeah, I suppose it's possible,.

Of when I became a Reform Baptist, which was back even in the late 1970s, even beginning of 1980s, coming out of a context of desire to make sure that we are without holiness. No man will steal or stand.

Think of the Lord Jesus Christ in John 2 and the way that he flips over the tables and the deal and a passion for the truth. That being said, it's always a minister, not just with God, the way that we, let me just go, I say it to me, all kinds of issues, and that is our network is gathering together, our ranks in each other in ministry, the kingdom, and this act moving ahead with together, I think even Reform Baptist network, like as far as, in fact, in fact,.

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