The Laborers' Podcast- Theology Proper 2

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Fantastic. Yes, Jonathan, Pastor Jonathan Foster. Praying for you at FCA tonight. An FCA event. That sounds fantastic. Love you, brother. Appreciate what you're doing for the Lord. All right, guys. We talked about, before we jump into theology proper, we talked about, we had a little conversation off the air, and I'm gonna throw a little curveball at you and see if you guys are ready for it.

I want you guys to respond to this video. You may have not seen it. I don't know if it's airing everywhere. This is a commercial that I saw recently, and I had some initial thoughts. I don't think it's that bad, but I want to get your thoughts.

So here's the commercial, and you guys tell me your initial thoughts after we finish it. I've got to find it.

There we go. A caring man took a walk. He saw people suffering. Anxiety ran high. Hatred rose. I'll prepare a feast and bring them together, he thought, but some refused to join him. He was heartbroken because he wanted everyone to be filled,.

Not with food and wine, but with compassion. He gets us. He gets us, all of us. Who wants to go first?

This is kind of building off of last week, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Have at it, Tyler. Yeah, go.

Ahead, Tyler. Well, I think, first and foremost, we have to recognize that the He Gets Us ministry does not hold that Christ is God, that they overemphasize Christ as a good person, as a good teacher, and a good man, and not as the incarnate God who calls people to repentance, but He's just a guy.

Okay. So I think we have to jump off with that point, that when they're talking about He Gets Us, they've taken what the Bible tells us Christ is, and they've put him in a smaller box so he's more relatable, that he's just a guy.

He has anxiety. He has this. He struggles with lust. Fill in the blank. And this is the jumping-off point for He Gets Us, is he's just a person like us. And so when we see phrases like this, and we see commercials like this about being filled with compassion and stuff, that's all good stuff.

Don't get me wrong. Absolutely. Compassion. I'm not anti-compassion by any means. We're saved by a biblical Jesus. We're not saved by the Jesus we necessarily want him to be, or who we think he ought to be, but Jesus is who he is, whether we like it or not.

And sometimes who Jesus is rubs me the wrong way, because I'm not Jesus. I will never be quite like Jesus. And so the challenge is, I'm not Christ. I'm not the Son of God. And it may be tempting for me to try and bring him down to my level so that he's more relatable to me, but rather he is pulling me up from the dirt, from my own filth, and bringing me to fellowship with him.

And that's uncomfortable. That's hard sometimes, but this is the biblical Jesus, one who brings us up, who doesn't necessarily forsake being God to get to us, because he was still a God the whole time we read about him in the Gospels.

But his compassion didn't negate the fact that the sinners have to come. So it sounded like you are familiar with this ministry. Yes, I've seen some of the discussion about this ministry over the last couple months here.

Okay, see, I know nothing.

About it. I was gonna say, I think I agree with everything Tyler said. I had seen probably three to four months ago a few of these commercials, and just seeing them, something just didn't sit right with me.

But when I started to really look into them, a lot of information came out when the North American Mission Board partnered with this ministry, and some people exposed. I think the first thing that came out was, I mean, you go to this ministry's website or ministry, if you want to call it that, and the big thing that was exposed was basically on the website it says, the doctrine of Jesus' perfect sinless life, you can take that or leave it, that doesn't really matter, basically what their website says.

So that was a huge deal on Twitter. I know ultimately the North American Mission Board pulled their partnership with that under a lot of scrutiny, put out a memo basically saying, yeah, we should have looked at it more.

It's just a little more broad than we want to get involved with. I didn't, I don't think they condemned it like they should have. It never should have gotten to the point where they were, should have even considered partnering with such a ministry, because again, you start digging into their website and there's multiple things in there like Tyler said from the get-go that points to a non-biblical Jesus.

To me it's nothing more than a social justice movement trying to in some way capitalize on the name of Jesus, but not a biblical Jesus at all. I'm glad.

You guys have heard of it because I had not. I was basically gonna examine just what was said on the video, but I'm glad that you guys had knew all that. I was unaware of the controversy and that there's probably...

There was a whole media.

Circus on Twitter about this a couple months back. So I'm sure there's a lot of.

People like me that this is good information for them. That's good information for me. So do you have any comments on that, Andy? Yeah, I haven't, I'm.

Not as familiar with them as Tyler or Matt are, but I have surveyed their site and I saw the the Twitter circus and what it ultimately comes down to is whoever's behind this, they are a... it's a worldview issue.

It is a leftist organization that utilizes biblical and Christian language to put themselves off as... this is classic first John. They went out from us to show they weren't part of us. This is how you know you have fellowship with us.

This is not necessarily the same type of Gnosticism John was talking about, but it's a worldview issue that's trying to claim fellowship with Christians. But as you start to really go through their site, you find that their Jesus has nothing to do with the biblical Jesus.

Like for example, on their About page, they reference the fact that Jesus came to earth, died, resurrected, went back to heaven. There's zero in there about why he had to die, why he was resurrected, about the sin that he had to pay for, about the need of man.

There's... from what I can tell, there's zero biblical gospel on their website. Now you see a whole lot of Black Lives Matter style social justice and a lot of leftist leftist rhetoric. So I can only conclude based on the evidence available to me that they have a different worldview than the biblical one, and I would urge everyone that names the name of Christ to only utilize their work as a means of what not to say and do.

I don't see anything there that's biblically redeemable.

Gotcha. Well that turned out really good. I'm thankful for you guys who were informed a lot more than I am on that. Appreciate that. Let's jump into theology proper. These questions, and there's so much more that we could look into when it comes to theology proper, the doctrine of God.

These are just some things that I hope that will help people in the congregation. It's not too too shallow, but it's not too too deep, and so that it's just helpful. And maybe we'll say some things, ask some questions that maybe you've had in the past.

So the first one, kind of starting where we left off, going to the next one in the podcast guide. I've heard this before. It was a long time before I heard a pastor use this terminology. Of course, there was a lot of things that I was unfamiliar with for a long time, but a pastor said this in a sermon that we worship a thrice holy God.

Can anybody explain that? What they understand that to mean, that for God to be a thrice holy God, and.

Why we would use that terminology? So in Isaiah chapter 6, there is a vision that Isaiah has in the temple. He sees a physical manifestation of the glory of God, and there's a little bit of debate as to what exactly is going on.

Is this a dream? Is he in some kind of third space? We don't know, but bottom line is he's witnessing God in all its glory, as best we can describe that. And there are angels, and they're saying, holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts.

The earth is filled with his glory. And when we survey the Bible as a whole, we'll get into this a little bit later with the attributes of God, but of these different attributes that we see given to God through the biblical text, the holiness of God is the one we see laid out in threes.

Holy, holy, holy. And we see that one time in the Old Testament, and one time in the New Testament, in the book of Revelation. And so what is implied by that phrase thrice holy is that God is so holy that we can say that three times, that it is necessary to put that extra emphasis on.

It. What do you guys want to jump in? Any other thoughts on that?

I don't have much to add there. I think that's very, very good. Some of these things, too, you have to remember, there's not going to get a whole lot of depth in the sense of multiple passages dealing with some of the same types of things.

So Isaiah is a very good place to look. I want to say Revelation, too. I believe it's Revelation 4. I think they use the holy, holy, holy, if I'm not mistaken. But it's obviously speaking to and referencing the fact that we worship a thrice holy God.

We worship a God that is perfectly holy. And Isaiah's picture there in heaven, the majesty there, and an understanding that when he talks about the earth being full of the glory of God, that's the post-millennial hope that the entire world will be covered with the knowledge of the Spirit of God, knowledge of Christ, the obedience to his law.

Nations will worship him. And what we do as his people now, one day the whole world will do. And so there's a lot of beauty there, and especially in that passage where you see Isaiah, in a sense, getting the.

Curtain pulled back for him. From my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, the repetition is a way that they would use their language for emphasis. Is that correct?

And that Jewish context, repeating words, was like how we would underline things or italicize them.

If you guys, and this is a little rabbit trail, just because we're talking about the word holy, if you were to define the word holy, how would you define it? And I've got a reason for asking and I'll let you know, but how would you guys define holy?

Well, it means set apart. If you look at...bear with me just a second as I pull up. My first go-to is always the beginning of Colossians, when I taught through Colossians at my church. And I'm almost there on Bible Hub, but...okay, so it's in verse 2, I think it is.

Saints of faith and brethren. Where is it at? I can't find it. But let's just go to ESV here. Maybe I'm thinking wrong book, but you see it...when you see holy referred to in Scripture, it's set apart.

It's always with the indication of set apart to God for some reason. And when we are set apart as holy in the sense of our justification, we are set apart as being holy and righteous in Christ Jesus. We are set apart from the world unto Christ.

And then in what we refer to as sanctification, as a babe in Christ matures and is discipled in Christ, and in the discipleship that comes from a growing and a deeper knowledge of His Word and obedience to Christ, you see your life and your obedience and your ability to mortify the sin in your own body is a continual making yourself more holy in your thoughts and in your actions and things like that.

So we demonstrate God's or Christ's holiness as children of light, as we grow in that holiness in a sense of our soul and our eternal justification, we're as holy as we ever will be. And we're doing it because we're obeying God that is that perfectly.

And that should be the mind-boggling thing is that, you know, what we could do certainly in part now, He has always been that. It's a beautiful thing.

Right. Well, that's what I said. I would have said everything that you said. And I think that's probably what most people have heard and that's what most people would say. This comes from my former pastor, and I think from him it came from one of his professors.

And I'm gonna have to try to find this sermon and share it with you guys. He did a sermon and he was trying to explain it to me leading up to the sermon because he was asking me, how would you define holy?

What are your thoughts? It intrigued him. He dove into it and then he presented a sermon on it. But he said, holy means dedicated. And it's slightly different connotation than set apart. He kept trying to make a distinction between set apart and dedicated.

And it's not something we have to dive into right now, but I wanted to share that with you. And hopefully I can find that sermon and share it with you guys and then get your thoughts on it later. It was a.

Really good sermon. Same thing though. I mean, when you think about the Old Covenant, when they would set apart clean animals or set apart this for the temple or this type of clothing, whatever it is, you were setting apart and dedicating those things as specifically for a function for the Lord.

And the difference is, our entire lives are to be set apart for God now.

Right, right. I think that was part of my argumentation too. I see them as not that dissimilar. But he was trying to make a slightly different, that they had a slightly different connotation or meaning.

And I can't recall. It's just something that come to my mind since we're talking about it. And I'm gonna have to try to find that sermon, listen to it, and share it with you. Because it's really, and I didn't have anything against it.

It's really good.

Well, Martin Manzer, in his dictionary of Bible themes, he defines holiness as, or the holiness of God, as the moral excellence of God that unifies his attributes and is expressed through his actions, setting him apart from all.

Others. Yeah, there's that set apart. That's how he set apart. He set apart from all others. Yeah, and I'm like you guys. I see very similar understandings between dedication and set apart. What do we believe, why do we believe God is Trinity?

Who wants to give the easy answer to that one? Matt, why do we believe God is Trinity. As we've discussed before, the totality of.

Scripture screams that to us. Yeah. As we've discussed before, you look throughout Scripture, the Father, the Son, the Spirit, they all have the same attributes. There are certain parts of Scripture that clearly say, obviously God the Father, but that the Son is God.

Just again, totality of Scripture leads to no other finding than that, I believe. Yeah. So how would you, and Tyler, if.

You want to, I know you had the confession up there. If you want to give us the the confession answer about what the Trinity is. You know, Matt, and you may have encountered this on the streets when you're talking to people.

That's one of the things people want to throw at you. They'll have this concept or this belief, and you'll say, well that's not in the Bible, and they'll say, well the word Trinity is not in the Bible either.

So how do you answer that type of person who has an unbiblical belief, and your response is, well that's not in the Bible, and they come at you, well the word Trinity is not in the Bible. What's your.

Response to someone like that? I've never specifically encountered that on the street, I don't think personally, but I think you obviously agree with them. Yes, this specific word is not in there, but again you, by reading and the all the information there, I mean there's plenty of things that I mean just outside extra biblical stuff that you gather information and come to a conclusion that may not specifically be stated in the data you've gathered.

So I just think it's a poor argument. I mean you gather information from the entire Scripture, and just because a specific word is not mentioned doesn't negate that the idea is clearly there. Yeah. So I think you just, you have to, I don't think you can really go into a deep argument with somebody on that.

You again just point to the Scriptures, and again take that information as a whole, as a cohesive unit, and show that yes, just because the exact specific word is not there does not.

Negate the idea. Yeah. Chase that rabbit a little bit. Like Matt said, there's not a word trinity in the New Testament. That's not something we see. That is true, and while it may not be in the Bible, that is a word we've come up with to synthesize this idea of what it means that I and the Father are one.

And some of these ideas, the Westminster Confession doesn't get into a lot of detail on this in comparison with some of the massive volumes that have been written on this, but in chapter 2 of the Westminster Confession of Faith, it says, God has all life, glory, goodness, and blessedness in and of himself.

That's the opening line there of the second article. And then in the third article, it says, in the unity of the Godhead, there be three persons of one substance, power, and eternity. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.

And if we look at Mark chapter 1, which includes the account of the baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist, it says, immediately upon coming up out of the water, he saw heaven torn open, literally schizo, torn open.

That is a violent word. And the Spirit descended upon him like a dove. And then a voice came from heaven, you are my son, in whom I am well pleased. And the common theme here is we have heaven tore open, and then from that tearing open comes the Spirit like a dove, and comes the voice of the Father.

Same place. All three are present right here. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. So however we understand that relationship, God presents himself as being three simultaneously. And neither one of these is any less God, or is more God than another.

But it is, I don't know how to put this, he reveals himself in a way that doesn't make sense to us. We wouldn't have come up with this if you had paid us. But the reality is, this is what the Word of God says.

This is how he, this is how God has revealed himself to us. And the best way we can understand this in our human terms is with words like Trinity, with phrases like three in one, and one in three. Because we have God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit.

And that's three persons in one substance. One existence, one power.

When you have a passage like that, it just, it makes me wonder, how can a oneness think that he just reveals himself in one manifestation at a time? You know, there's not three persons. He just reveals himself in one manifestation at a time.

How do they come up with that? How do they get around that passage? I don't get it. That makes sense. Did you have any thoughts on the Trinity, Andy?

Yeah, and since we're talking about theology proper, we're obviously talking about the most God-centered thing that we need to start with. Because theology proper is, since it's the study of theology of God and who he is, to be God-centered in that equation, you have to start with God and come down to man.

We can't start with, and this is the video you played earlier, heiswithus .com or whatever it was. They're starting from man, and either what they want God to be, or what they think he is based on their own finite observations, and then are reasoning back up to and making God out of their own creation.

We call that idolatry. There's a Ten Commandments, I believe it's the first and second commandment deal very strongly with this. So if you start with God, you have to allow God to define himself and reveal himself on his own terms, and he's chosen to do that obviously through general revelation, you know, the creation, so on and so forth, but through special revelation.

And Dr. White in his book on the Trinity, which is back there on the, back below where you can't see, it's back there, talks about how we see the Trinity most clearly in the incarnation of the Son and the outpouring of the Spirit of Pentecost.

And then of course with the complete canon of Scripture, we have a more full view of the understanding. And Scripture is not a dictionary. Scripture is not something where you go down and find a word, and then it gives you the definition.

Now there are some cases where Scripture will define or explain itself in that manner, but it ultimately is not a dictionary. So we derive our doctrine of the Trinity through a consistent, normal reading, interpretation of Scripture, which reveals God as one essence, as Tyler pointed out with the way the Confession puts it, one essence, one being who has revealed himself to exist with three persons, three personalities.

We are one being, one person. If we have more than one person, that's called multiple personalities disorder. And so the way Dr. White puts it, he says the way, the best way to understand it is if you want to know if you have being, I'll pick up this rock and I'll throw it at your head, and you're going to find out that you have being really fast because it's going to hurt.

You exist. You cannot deny your existence when you get hit with a rocking head because it's going to hurt. And our personality is those things that gives us personhood. Our emotions, our ability to think, our sort of internal existence, understanding of our existence, you know, thinking through those things.

And so you see, as Tyler pointed out with Mark 1, I believe, was it Mark 1? Yeah, Mark 1, and then you get a very clear picture there. But you see all throughout Scripture interactions between at least, at a minimum, two persons of the Trinity.

I think of John 17 with the high priestly prayer. You see instances where Jesus clearly claims deity for himself. The Holy Spirit clearly claims deity for himself. Maybe not claims in the same sense of Jesus being on earth, but deity is attributed to the Spirit, I should say.

So it's very clear in Scripture that these three persons, one named the Father, one the Son, one the Spirit, are clearly identified as all three of them being God. And at the same time, it's very clear in Scripture that it's not simple modalism.

It's not God taking on different forms or shapes. And so what we always tell people, I would say in conclusion, is if you've got people in your church or people you interact with, and they understand the Trinity through the lens of modalism, and they're doing it from an honest, ignorant place and haven't been taught, be very gentle.

Walk them through it and help them understand. If you've got somebody that knows better and is persistent in their denial of the clear teaching of Scripture, well, you're probably dealing with an unregenerate person at that point.

So we just need to be careful. And also, too, even with my understanding of the Trinity as it's grown over the years, I'm like Tyler. In a finite capacity, I don't know what it's like to have three persons sharing one being, but that's what Scripture says God is.

Yeah, that's right.

I just thought about an ongoing conversation I had quite a few years ago with a Jehovah's Witness, and we were talking about the deity of Christ, and it's only God that can raise someone from the dead.

Only God can do that. And so when I was looking this up, I found that the Scripture gives credit to all three persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit for the resurrection of Christ.

And I was trying to use that as part of my argument, but I researched that and saw that in Scripture, and I found it so fascinating that Scripture attributes the resurrection to all three persons of the Trinity.

Yeah, and that gets a little confusing because I was actually in a Bible study one time where I don't have a reference off the top of my head where it actually says that the Father raised Him from the dead, but then you also have other indications like you're saying where it talks about Jesus raising Himself from the dead, and it's like you got to be careful to not force Scripture to have to be to where you could understand it through your finite capacity.

There are times when you simply have to let Scripture just say what it does and say, yes, that is true. So we understand that from the Triune perspective of the understanding, well, since they're all God, obviously God has that same power, but then we see the Trinitarian harmony in redemption would play out in a sense of what Scripture tells us that Jesus Christ makes the atonement for sin.

He propitiates and satisfies the wrath for sin to the Father, so therefore the Father raises Him from the dead to show that He has acceptance of that. So there's a lot wrapped up in there that you could really mesh with your mind if you go too deep with it.

So sometimes you just need to pull back a little bit and just say this is what Scripture says. It's true. Yeah, that's right.

That's right. Let's go to the next one, the attributes of God, and this could be a series in and of itself. Let's look at the big ones, and Matt, we'll start with you and do a little circle. Just basically look at the big ones.

So the first one I'm thinking of would be the omniscience of God. How would you define the omniscience of God?

Just the word is all-knowing. God has knowledge of all things. He's never not known everything. There's nothing He will learn. It's just a complete knowledge of all things from eternity past to eternity future.

Nothing takes Him by surprise. He doesn't have to change anything. Like I said, nothing catches Him off guard. He knows these things. So just the all-knowing attribute of God, and one thing I want to say too, just in a general sense, is kind of along the same lines of the the Trinity with God.

He's not, as far as the Trinity goes, not one-third the Father, one-third the Son, one-third the Spirit. I think the same with the attributes. Even more, I think we can get into that mode where we think, oh God, He's twenty percent love.

He will throw in five percent justice, ten percent mercy, whatever. Well, we can't do that. God is is completely all of these. We can't wrap our minds around that again in our finite human mind, but He is completely all of these attributes in one.

He doesn't, again, He's not partially any of these where one is compartmentalized over here and another one over here. So I think that's something that probably not too long ago, I think it was when I was watched a series by Steve Lawson on the attributes of God through Ligonier, excellent series.

I think he went through about 15 or 16 different attributes, about 25 to 30 minute episode on each one, so I would recommend that to anybody. And also, I just started the other day, so I'm only a couple chapters in, but The Attributes of God by A .W. Pink.

If you've not read this, pick this up. It's been.

Excellent so far. Yeah, that's on my list. I need to get that one. But Matt brings up a really good point, because we're probably not going to get too deep into this, because we try to balance between we want to be thorough, but we also want to keep in mind we want this to be, as we talk about for the network, in a meaningful, understandable way.

But there's debates about divine simplicity and all these things. It's very simple, as Matt was touching on, when it comes to attributes of God, and this wording probably isn't even enough to fully explain it, but it's the only thing we have available to us with our finite human language.

So I would say he's a hundred percent of all those attributes at all times. I don't even know that language does it justice, per se, but it's a way we can understand it. So what does it mean, then, that when we see God demonstrating, say, His mercy over and against His justice or things like that?

So that's what we... For some of those theological inerrantists, that's a hard word to say, online that think you just have to simply believe everything the way they do, I'm never going to be satisfactory to some of them.

It's like Pastor Jonathan said many times. He didn't fit in any camps. My understanding, and I'm open to correction if I'm wrong, because I recognize that some of these things we are laboring over, pun intended.

My understanding is that, yes, it's true to say that God is all of His attributes in perfect harmony at all times, and therein barring in turn, at all times He exists outside of time. And at the same time, He can choose to demonstrate one over against the other after the counts of His own will, based on whatever situation is in front of Him, based on His own decree, based on those things.

So you can say that He could be measuring out justice at one point at the expense of mercy and grace and love because He has, I mean, specifically in Zephaniah, when it talks about the Babylon's coming, God's saying this is going to happen.

And they would say, oh, well, He's suddenly not mercy, grace, and love. I'm like, no, He's still those things. He has the ability and the only being that is in existence that has full autonomy to use and demonstrate His attributes at His discretion for His own purposes.

And I think that's a lot of what Matt was getting at. It's not that He is some variation of 100%, and at times He's 80 this or 10 that. To me, that's bringing God down out of His heaven and trying to put Him on man's understanding and level.

So, yeah. Go ahead.

I was going to say real quick, I think you kind of described that well, Andy. I think from our human perspective, when we are just looking at a particular incident in its own context and see a certain attribute displayed in our mind, we just go, okay, that attribute is taking over in this moment, and all the other ones are kind of taking a back seat.

The attributes that kind of seem to play against each other, that one of them has got to take a back seat because this one is on display. But again, our human minds can't comprehend the way God works and His essence and how He can be all of those at the same time, even if one is being in a particular moment on display to us in a more prominent way.

Well, think about it. We're made in the image of God. We demonstrate those attributes of God that we can demonstrate. There are certain things like God's omnipresence, His omniscience, things like that that we don't possess and can't demonstrate.

But things like grace, mercy, love, we can demonstrate or enact justice. In fact, God Himself instructs the state to wield that sword on His behalf, and the state, countries, world leaders are deacons of Christ in that manner.

So we, in our lives at times, I take my child for example, there are times where I have to demonstrate certain attributes towards her, and it may seem from her vantage point that I've just ceased to be loving or something.

That's why you've got to find a way to have that measure of that blended. And I want to give a really good example of this. Dr. White talks a lot about the error of equal ultimacy. You say, well, what does that mean?

When we're talking about salvation and the differences, you know, unconditional election versus conditional election, you know, man's will versus God's will and salvation, a lot of times people say, well, you know, if the Calvinists are true, this is true, or this, that, and what Dr. White says, people engage in the error of equal ultimacy that the same level of effort and action is taken to ensure that the reprobate goes to hell as he does to save his people.

So think about it. He had to demonstrate different actions and desires to be willing to take on human flesh and actually come to earth. And then within that, as it pertains to his attributes, think about this.

If God saves all people, he's only demonstrating grace, mercy, and love. If he saves nobody, he's demonstrating holiness, justice, righteousness, but no grace, mercy, and love. It's only in saving some that he demonstrates all of his attributes.

So we can look to salvation and redemptive history as an example of how God demonstrates all of his attributes in his work in time. So I think that's a really interesting way to, or I think for me, that's a really good example to try to wrap your.