November 23, 2016 Show with Diana Lynn Severance on “Her-Story” & “Feminine Threads: Women in the Tapestry of Christian History”

Iron Sharpens Iron Introduction and Proverbs 27:17

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Diana Lynn Severance, Her-Story, and the Dunham Bible Museum

Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania and the rest of humanity Living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arns in your host of iron sharpens iron wishing you all a happy Wednesday on This New Year's.

I'm sorry. I was gonna say New Year's Eve this Thanksgiving Eve. Which is the 23rd of November Wednesday 2016 and I am delighted to have for the very first time on the program today Diana Lynn Severance and she's going to be discussing a couple of the books that she has written.

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540 a .m. Dot-com. That's WLIE. 540 a .m. Dot-com. Well as I was saying our guest today Diana Lynn severance is a first-time guest on our interprets iron. She's an author Historian Director of the Dunham Bible Museum at Houston Baptist University, and we are going to be addressing a couple of her books today.

The first is her story Take on the word history, but it is called her story H ER dash story 366 devotions from 21 centuries of the Christian Church. And we were we are also going to be discussing her book feminine threads women in the tapestry of Christian history, but it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron Diana Lynn severance.

And let me give our email address to any of our listeners who would like to join us on the air with a question. It's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. CHRI s a r n z e n at gmail .com. And before we go into the details of your books and before we hear more about the Bible Museum the Dunham Bible Museum at Houston Baptist University that you are the director of I'd like to hear something about your own personal testimony of salvation the kind of Upbringing you had what kind of religious atmosphere if any existed in your household and what providential Circumstances the Lord used to draw you to himself and save you.

My family was going to a liturgical church and I was about 10. When we had an older lady a grandmotherly lady he was a babysitter for my brother who was infant and myself and she came over one day and asked if I had a Bible and I said, yeah, and so I brought her a book and she told me oh, no.

No, that's not a Bible. That's a prayer book. That's written by men. But the Bible is the Word of God and I had never heard that before in spite of all my catechism and confirmation or whatever. So that was really exciting to me and she took me through certain verses in Scripture and in John and in Revelation and so I saved up my allowance money and went out to the dime store and bought a Bible and started reading it.

And then a year or so later both of my parents came to know the Lord through other circumstances and we began going to a Bible teaching church and had a wonderful pastor who really Not only taught the scripture but gave me a love for history because he would show the historical backgrounds to so many of the the biblical accounts.

Well, praise God for that. And what began stirring in your heart to lead you to become a writer and eventually to even Hold the post as director of the Dunham Bible Museum at Houston Baptist University.

Well, the the Bible Museum the university acquired a large collection of rare American Bibles and I read about it in the newspaper and I told my husband I would really like to work over there and he said we you need to volunteer and make yourself indispensable so I volunteered and within a couple of weeks they said that they were looking for a curator and a director and I said well I Want to apply when you make that available?

He says oh you're it so I Very excited. I had done quite a bit of writing for Christian History Institute and some other things so they had seen on my resume that I had a background that would really fit and I have my doctorate from Rice University in history.

So I had the training and It's it's just wonderful. We now have a very large collection of rare Bibles. We have manuscripts medieval manuscripts. Are able to tell the story of the English Bible right now we have a very special exhibit on Erasmus because it's the 500th anniversary of his printing of the first Greek New Testament and we actually had the first three editions of Erasmus and so we were showing how important he was for the foundation of the Reformation and getting the people back to Scriptures and looking at the original manuscript.

So we have are able to tell a story as I said of the English Bibles. We've got a 1536 Tyndale the first edition of every other major like the 1560 Geneva we even had the Wicket Bible, which everybody wants to see that's very popular and Got a first edition King James and what we want to do is not just look at the books but we're able to tell the story of how our Bible has come to us today and the influence that it's had in our our life and culture.

Now the Wicked Bible was that where the Ten Commandments who had typos where the the commands were to commit the The things forbidden by the Lord. Okay, that's the only command.

Blasphemous. And there the story goes that there was a printer trying to get that printer in trouble so he could get the license for printing the Bible and. So he got these mistakes made and he did get him in trouble.

He was fined a year's wages and all those copies were destroyed except. I think 11 somehow escaped.

And.

For any of you who would like to visit this museum or want to find out more about it the website is Hbu .edu forward slash museums.

Forward slash. I'll give you a shorter way. That's that's the long way. Okay shorter way is hbu .edu Flash Bible Museum.

Okay, could you repeat that one more time. Great. Well, I'm sure we'll be repeating that.

And we've got on our website we do give a good overview of some of the things that we have on exhibit and So we'd love to see some of your listeners business.

Great. Well, the first book that I would like you to begin describing is Quite a gorgeous book. This is not a paperback. It's a beautifully bound hardback. That it's it's difficult to describe without photography, but it is quite a Gorgeous book that could easily become an heirloom in someone's family and passed down from generation to generation.

It's one of those books that are Definitely built to last even if they are read over and over and over again and This is a book that really caught my eye When I originally saw it and was drawn to investigate it further and would certainly want to Get you on the program to discuss it which God opened up the door for this conversation.

So tell us about first of all the book that we are starting with her story and that's 366 devotions from 21 centuries of the Christian Church. What was the Catalyst in your life that led you to write this specific book.

And they came up with. Okay, they came up with the theme and everything.

Yeah, they came up with the idea I had already written feminine threads which was a narrative history of women in Christian history and. They thought you know a devotion that focuses on different women would be nice.

So they asked me to work on that.

Yes, and we are going to momentarily get more in-depth about the women in the tapestry of Christian history after we have somewhat of a furtherly further in-depth conversation about the Her story book and by the way, let me repeat our email address.

It's Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. If you would like to ask a question of our guest and by the way I'd like to read some reviews of this book her story. That are quite impressive.

Women have been at the center of 21 centuries of church history and now Diana Severance brings to this generation their stories. Inspiring us with their unique testimonies arising from the stage of history with the inspiring legacy of personal faith each woman leaps from page to page to encourage and Motivate all of us who read these daily devotionals penned by a church historian who knows hearts and has tasted our trials.

That's Dorothy K Patterson professor of theology and women's studies at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas. And we also have never have I read a daily devotional book. That is a page-turner.

This one is drawing on real-life stories from New Testament times to now. The author sheds light on the convictions commitment struggles joys and yes sorrows of some 365 women who have trusted and served Christ.

Read each. I'm sorry read this for new insight into church history. Fresh gratitude for God's glory in women's lives and strong motivation to aspire to the levels of faith. Love sacrifice and service on display in these fascinating in these fascinating vignettes.

This gives not a sugary but rather a protein boost to pondering scripture to prayer and to worship. I love that line. That's a great. That was Robert Yarbrough professor of New Testament at Covenant Theological Seminary in st. Louis, Missouri.

Diana Severance has written the most beautiful daily devotional book for women her story. She combines a collection of women throughout Christian history Who have offered their lives work and personal sacrifice for Jesus Christ and his ministry?

Beautifully written a reader woman or man will daily read worship and learn about Many Christians both well-known and lesser-known. I highly recommend Diana Severance's new book published by Christian focus and that is Denise George author teacher and speaker and you can find out more about her at Denise George org and Carolyn McCulley Rights remind us of the great cloud of witnesses Who have loved the Lord over the last 2 ,000 years?

But her specific focus is on the women who have followed Christ a diverse collection spanning many generations cultures and lands and as I said, that was Carolyn McCulley conference speaker and author of radical womanhood feminine faith in a feminist world.

Jane to her rights her story provides a daily walk with Christian women from the first century to our present day. But as the reader takes this journey, we are ultimately taught and reminded not so much about women but rather about our great God as I said that was Jane to her ministry department director of the Priscilla and Aquila Center at Moore Theological College in Sydney, Australia and We have what a gift to add to daily Bible reading.

Diana Lynn Severance has summarized the wealth of research on Hundreds of edifying lives live for Jesus without sentimentality and with deep effect. This is a book to treasure and share with all. Kathy Manchester a pastor's wife mother and educator in North Sydney, Australia.

And finally How fascinating to examine the lives of Christian sisters from antiquity their steps call and inspire today's women to leave footprints along the same Trail. Mary a Cassian author and distinguished professor of women's studies at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, and I've had Dr. Albert Muller the president of that seminary and a number of the faculty members on this program a number of times so quite an impressive list of accolades that have been collected for this book and if you could Tell us about some of the big biblical figures that you have mentioned and then we can move on to some lesser-known figures.

To from some of the Recommendations that were given is that this is a book about women, but it's not necessarily just for women. Right men can learn a lot about women in their their roles in Christian history as well.

Well, of course the women in the Bible we start with Mary and Deal with how the Lord was using her for his glory and bringing forth his son and One of the things that I do in that particular section is really focus on Mary's understanding of Scripture.

Her intense knowledge of Scripture comes out with The song that she sang Mary's Magnificat. It's just full of scriptural illusions showing how much Scripture was a part of her her life and it's kind of interesting that in the Middle Ages whenever Paintings were done of Mary when Gabriel was coming to make his announcement to her. She's very often shown reading the scriptures because she was taking in the word as she was being Prepared to conceive the word that she was going to to bring forth.

So we start with Mary. We spend a little time on Elizabeth and Anna the first two women in the scriptures that Recognize Jesus as Lord and of course Mary and Martha we I feel a section on Mary Magdalene and also showing how Mary Magdalene has.

Been misconceived sometime in church history. Yeah people attribute to the prostitute washing Jesus's faith With Mary Magdalene, but there's nothing in the Bible that connects the tip.

No, no, and that was something that started about with Gregory the first around the 6th century and recently, even the Vatican has Recognized that that is not to be. Mary Magdalene is so she's been confused with Mary of Bethany and the prostitute.

And the lady in John 8.

But she was a demoniac. Was she not before she was delivered. Yeah, she had seven demons in her.

So one of the things we it's really get back to the scripture and not Confused to Mary Magdalene really was and of course, she was a tremendous Believer once the Lord rescued her from her her demons. And she was the first one to actually see the Lord and for him to announce his resurrection.

And by the way, I think you would probably agree with me that even if Mary Magdalene had been the most promiscuous of prostitutes once she was delivered by the grace of God from her sin and given repentance and and Given new life and transformed.

She is no less a hero just like Rahab the harlot from the Old Testament.

Like but it's just a matter of truthfulness. Yes, exactly. The first European convert Lydia. So the lady in Philippi who was the dyer of purple? Yes that Paul met outside the city and the river at Philippi.

The place that you could still go visit today. And the beautiful scripture that says the Lord opened her heart. Yes, she actually received the truth and becomes Kind of the first church. Her house becomes the first church or location for the first church in Philippi.

Yes.

I happen to be a Calvinist myself and I use that passage often to show The order of salvation. Now the Holy Spirit needed to open her heart so she can understand.

Very very beautifully there and What what Lydia does and in part is show what we find throughout many of the women the the gift of? hospitality and Using their their wealth or their homes or their goods for the service of the Lord as as he needed to Priscilla.

We're getting close to tomorrow's Thanksgiving and one of the early pilgrims one of the one of the pilgrims that came over on the Mayflower was John Alden who later marries Priscilla Mullins and And Longfellow wrote a story about them and everything and their courtship of milestones and what I just Found out recently is that Priscilla Mullins was named after this biblical Priscilla the The lady who was the wife of Aquila and a tent maker in Corinth to befriend at Paul.

So that's our Thanksgiving connection. So Priscilla And Aquila were they're always mentioned together and An example of a beautiful family that again is Supporting Paul in his early ministry. One of the most fascinating things I think in the scriptures about women Christian women is the very last chapter of Romans where Paul is greeting different people in the church and Though he had never been to Rome he knew a lot of the people there and so many of them I think about one-third of them are women and Starting out with Phoebe who is probably the lady who brought the the letter to to the Romans.

So it's interesting to see how important Women were in Paul's relationship as well. An intriguing greeting in Romans 16 is Paul to he says to Rufus Chosen in the Lord also his mother who has been a mother to me as well.

The Rufus was the son of Simon of Cyrene who carried Jesus cross and so apparently Simon's wife had been a mother or helped Paul in a caring way at some point possibly in Antioch.

First Caller Questions on Women in Scripture and History

Well, that is a good place to start and we are going to our first station break. We already have a number of Listeners from all over the country and even from other parts of the world who have written us questions and are waiting to have them asked and answered.

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Lesser-Known Women, a Servant Heart, and Questions on Missionaries and Bible Translation

Welcome back. This is Chris Orrins. And if you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours is Diana Lynn severance. She's an author historian and director of the Dunham Bible Museum at Houston Baptist University.

We are discussing her books her story and also Feminine threads women in the tapestry of Christian history. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris.

Arn z n at gmail .com. And we already have a number of listeners waiting to have the questions asked and answered. But before I go to our listeners I just wanted to have you perhaps highlight a few of the lesser-known Figures from history the lesser-known women from history who you have included in this devotional her story.

What but I really fell in love with is kind of from the Middle Ages. Her name is duoda D-h-o-u-d-a and she lived just after the time of Charlemagne in the 9th century and her Husband had been caught up in the The warfare after Charlemagne for who was going to be on the throne Afterwards and her son had become a hostage in that warfare.

And so her son was away for her from her and she was very concerned about him. And so she wrote him a manual on how to behave and it's a Christian manual For her son full of scripture telling him how about the Trinity telling him about the importance of virtue and vices.

Teaching him how to pray how to read the Psalms as a book of prayer and it's just a beautiful example of a lady who is Training her children, even though he's away from her at that particular time. So I really Enjoy reading duoda who was written in the 9th century.

You could identify with her so in so many different ways.

Wow, that sounds fascinating. Well, we could take a number of our listeners questions now the first is actually from a Person who I have interviewed a number of times a friend of mine going back to the 1990s.

Her name is Latane C Scott, I usually don't Read the entire names of our listeners, but since she is a published author and a friend I Don't mind. I'm sure she doesn't mind me reading her entire name Latane C Scott and This is quite an interesting question.

She has because I want you to keep something in mind Diana Latane is not a feminist she would be a Complementarian in her understanding of Gender roles in the Bible and male headship in the church and home and so on but she has written this question.

I've written a novel based on the premise that Priscilla was the author of the epistle to the Hebrews. Does your guest have any insights on that theory? Have you ever heard of the theory.

Might be the author I've heard of a number of other But the Holy Spirit hasn't seen fit to tell us. So I I have no idea but that is fascinating.

Yes, well.

Someone who obviously was very familiar with Paul's.

Theology and teaching yes, and I've even heard Luke as a possibility from a Bible scholar. Well, thank you so much Latane for Yeah, well her her website is latane .com it's a very unusual name it's l a t a y n e .com and her name is Latane C Scott and by the way Latane you have won a free copy of this gorgeous book that we have been discussing and Describing her story.

And this is a gorgeous hardback book. Really beautifully bound as I've been repeating over and over again because it is such a gorgeous book 366 devotions from 21 centuries of the Christian Church and This is our gift to you compliments of Christian focus publications who provided these for us and also It's going to be shipped to you by our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible book service cvbbs .com cvbbs .com who are co-sponsors of iron sharpens iron and they ship out all of our free books Bibles DVDs CDs and other gifts that we Award to listeners for submitting questions.

So we thank cvbbs .com for being faithful supporters and sponsors of iron sharpens iron. So keep your eye out for that Latane and God willing you'll be getting that in the hopefully near future. We have a listener all the way in Slovenia.

Joe and I have to enlarge the font on Joe's question because of the font the typeface is very small on his email. And I'm nearly blind myself after passing 50 years of age. Please ask sister Diana to tell us her assessment of who is the woman or women Who have had the greatest impact on world missions and national home missions and why?

Well, uh, Joe has a follow-up question if you want to think about that one. Joe does a follow-up question and I have to enlarge that as well because I can hardly read the tiny font on this email he has sent and Please ask Sister Diana to share with us the most interesting story.

She knows of women engaged in the reformers. Struggle to translate and print the Bible into the English language. Well, that would have something to do with your work as director of the Bible Museum as well.

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Say who is the greatest among anything. That. That's one of the things that was so amazing about this. The idea in getting into these women is how. They're they're not. They're servant people. They're not the they're not looking to build up themselves.

They're seeing how the Lord is going to use them. And the Lord Uses them in so many different ways. Just because they make themselves available and.

Strength. Well, he was speaking specifically about missions both home and abroad. Yeah, I mean Elizabeth Elliott pops into my head immediately. Yeah, she definitely.

Has had a tremendous influence in missions for sure. But there there's so many others. I don't. It'd be hard for I don't know.

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There's nothing wrong with not being able to answer questions, that's one of the reason.

But I can about the reformers in English Bible translation and who might have been the most influential. One of the ladies that I was really fascinated with was Catherine Parr. Who was the last wife of Henry VIII?

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Wow, she was. She had a Bible study in her in her court and she would. Her chaplain was Miles Coverdale. It was one of the translators really English Bible and It was still not Totally allowed for people to freely read the scriptures in England at that time.

Noble women could read it in private. However, and so she had Bible readings regularly in her her court. She also sponsored the Translation of Erasmus paraphrases of the New Testament into English and Even encouraged Princess Mary to do part of the translations and she did part of the translations herself.

For the paraphrases and when Edward becomes king he asked that Or sends an edict that a copy of the paraphrases which was a kind of a Bible commentary for the church fathers and the Great Bible be placed in every church in England and so Catherine Parr, I think did a lot for encouraging Bible reading and translation and the reform period.

Well, thank you very much Joe in Slovenia and we thank you for Making it easy on us by providing an American mailing address your daughter in America will get this.

Book.

Compliments of Christian focus and also compliments of Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service who is shipping it out to her. And. We thank you for submitting the question and we also thank you for spreading the word about iron sharpens iron in Slovenia and we look forward to hearing from you again.

We have a more local listener Patty in Carlisle, Pennsylvania right where this program is being broadcast from. This may be another one of those that is too general To answer specifically, but she says what person that is included in her story stood out to you as your favorite.

And why. Well if you don't have one favorite maybe just mention a couple of them.

I could just tell you a story that stood out. I'm not sure. It's a well that the person does and 1700s there was a Moravian missionary that went to South Africa that was controlled by the Dutch at the time and he went and established a mission to the Hottentots and the Dutch really didn't like his mission there because he was educating the Hottentots civilizing them and There were some converts he had about eight or nine converts and was teaching them to read the scriptures and after about ten years the Dutch Had him leave they exiled him.

They didn't want him there anymore. So he left and 50 years later. 50 years later the Moravians were allowed back in as missionaries. So the missionaries go to the Hottentots and they wonder is there any remnant of faith?

Left after 50 years of that missionary and they met an older lady. Her name is Magdalena and she had come to faith in Christ through this missionaries work and The earlier missionary and he had given her a Bible.

She had learned to read and when the missionary left She had that Bible and she sat under the tree in front of his house and would read the scriptures to all the people in the village and She eventually and she continued that for 50 years.

Eventually her Daughter and her granddaughter learned to read and carried on that same Process of constantly reading the scriptures to the people. I was tremendously moved by that.

Well, thank you, Patty and Carlisle, Pennsylvania. You'll also be getting a free copy of this gorgeous book her story and by the way, I want to urge all men who If you don't win this book, I urge you to purchase it not only for your wives and your mothers and your sisters and your daughters and the special women in your life for Christmas perhaps or some other special occasion.

I think that it is as We already mentioned valuable for men to read this reading devotionals like this and reading the great lives of women in the church, perhaps perhaps can be a Vaccine against male chauvinism in the church.

It kind of reminds us about how mightily God has used women in throughout the centuries of the church and even and the Old Covenant and the the fact that Many of these women of God have been used infinitely in greater ways than we have been used.

I know that there are the you couldn't have enough trees to create the paper to create the list of women who have been used in Mightier ways by God than than I have been used. So I think that that's this is something that Should be read by all no matter who you are man woman young or old very encouraging and Also as I keep repeating beautiful book.