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founder of a Puritan's mind.

Today we are going to be addressing one of the books that he has brought back into

print through Puritan publications Heaven's glory by Christopher love and

it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Dr. C Matthew McMahon Brother glad to be here and happy to talk about

amen.

Amen.

I could use some comforting subjects in the midst of a lot of What's

the word I'm looking for there's a lot of turmoil going on in the Christian apologetic world

involving people that I know and love and respect and it's sometimes can be quite disturbing to

see Bitterness well up amongst the brethren and strife and so on but so this will be

a good Temporary vacation from all that and

For our listeners who are discovering you for the first time tell us about a Puritan's mind.

More people need to read these jewels

collecting dust and just a few scholars here and there reading them

typical information, so I started taking little excerpts here and there

and began postings mind

various pieces out of Ames's marrow of theology and various

pieces out of Turreton's Institute.

For love he's about as fast you can get for the short

time that he lived

in turn.

They they began to be a blessing to others because at that time

there was over the years.

Turned into dozens and dozens and dozens of various Puritan and books and such.

2005 I started a Puritan publication and I

was putting out

most extra year preached from the pulpit and

We need to be reading some more of this and so I

decided well Not only am I going to start publishing a few

updated language that

they're easy

to understand no doubt Thomas Manson Thomas Goodwin

all sorts of big set you could you could sit and read them for days on end.

Sometimes though people have a difficult time kind of a wading through some of the old English.

And so I thought you know these are not only are these really helpful

I need to enjoy after about a year of

starting.

Let's do them an updated like that is

a people who would regularly not go I think that

reformed writing from that era and from the air even in you

know grabbing something like Kaplan's Institutes off the shelf and

People have to wade through as

much as we

were in

there sometimes a little longer.

But we want to make it easier to understand and more accessible that way and so

Appearance of mine has

grown and then

some of the more niche important than putting out in Puritan publication.

Generally come from the era published about

6062 of the assembly members themselves things that you know have never been

published before.

Thomas Valentine a little while ago

calling them

up putting

them in a volume.

I think one of the to come

is by Michael Harrison.

There's nothing else available from him anywhere on the planet.

Cliff note.

You read that we

tend to live in a

sea

Involuted finding things that

are going to be

light and those

who are

able to people you're

in them today.

Amen.

Well, I'm gonna give our listeners our email address if they have questions for you.

Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name at least your city and state of residence in your country.

Residence if you live outside of the USA.

And some of my listeners may recall the name Christopher Love because they may have heard me from

time to time.

Explain the origin of the order or reveal the origin of

the quote that I conclude every single iron sharpens iron radio broadcast

with and that is Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner, which is a

paraphrase of a quote from Christopher Love.

Tell us about this great Puritan.

Something about his own personal background and why we should value what he

wrote so long ago today.

Well, but

by a

fellow

Puritan Oliver Cromwell, I

like the

idea.

I'm in

the dungeon.

He was creature

and theologian

in the sense that

he was not super.

He was arrested thrown in dungeon thrown

in the dungeon in May.

I believe he was.

No, he was beheaded.

He wound up having from May to August

writing letters writing some different treatises and such in the

account moving Because of what he does and

writing letters to his wife speaking with his wife and such While

living the

lifetime and these were

people

Jeremiah Whitaker William Taylor

Alan gear.

They published a number of grace

calling an

election Christians

duty and safety

and evil time between the flesh and the

spirit By Jonathan Edwards.

Side the Bible on that

project

because these being

the important just could not not put them into print.

You've got to get them so that people can read some of these wonderful work.

Do you know if anybody has published any of the letters?

And perhaps compiled together in the single volume that he wrote to his wife while in prison.

Yes, that is in our book the vindication of Christopher Love.

We've done that.

All of his letters are in there.

Like I said, it's extremely moving.

His letters are deep.

He written to his wife Instructive his vindication that was one

of the things that was actually published when he was alive.

Before he was beheaded because he wanted to let people know, you know.

Just like with a lot of the political stuff that's going on today.

Just because the media might say something doesn't necessarily.

Rumors were flying around about him and all of these different ways making him out

to be a bad enough to be thrown in the dungeon and be beheaded.

He had a vindication about and

by the way if

our listeners want to investigate a.

Puritan's mind after the program if you want to find out more about what they offer and of course

Puritan publications go to a Puritan's mind comm.

That's a Puritan's mind comm obviously no apostrophe in that

and You can find out much more about this wonderful ministry.

And.

Before I go into or have you go into the main contents of the book about

heaven.

We've already got Several listeners that have written in within the last

five minutes or so.

And I think their questions will help set the stage for you know

giving our listeners a little bit more of the background of love so they know

the source of what you're talking about.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.

Who says how can we? separate the brilliance and

the Valuable truths that the Puritans have left to us as their legacy

from some of the horrible and perhaps even horrific things that they were

involved in including the aforementioned execution of love by a fellow Puritan.

How can we convey to our Friends and family and loved ones and brothers in Christ

who have so far not delved into the Puritans That these are worthy sources of

great truth in spite of anything negative That has tarnished their reputation in history.

You get a dichotomy there that you have to deal with and that one.

Viewed from the viewed by the world

we've used

companies would make Commercial Puritans have no fun,

you know driving our car.

Because it's fun and they weren't why would they is an

equal ultimacy so to speak between those two positions well when you think about what it is that they've

done in terms of taking scripture and making scripture

Plainly understood in terms of the ministers preaching sermons that they gave.

I mean, this is some of the best literature that you'll ever read in the history of the church and so.

Certainly on the worldly side the devil wants to screw and as

hard as it mean that the Puritans were perfect or that You know certain things that are said

about them didn't occur like.

Yet there are there's more than simply the idea of

in fellowship occurring in The time that Christopher love in particular

live and what Oliver Cromwell did Basically

England Ireland and Scotland so to speak with the army behead the king and become Lord protect.

You start getting into some of those historical aspects.

You begin to see why certain things happened like that.

Yes.

Men are still men men still sin.

Things are not going to be perfect until we get to heaven.

But in looking at some of the difficulties that surrounded historically the Puritans

you don't necessarily need to Divulge every single jot and tittle of

everything that happened to all of the Puritans.

Historically before you read a work and

if you're sharing some of the information.

And read

through heaven and go through that

and have some of those things set in their mind

and in their

heart they're gonna have

Colossians that in their mind when Christ then

We also appear with him in glory.

You're gonna have that implanted in.

Embedded in the way that they work.

So, oh, well, we're prepared

to explain what can deal with that when Christians begin

to get the flavor of how powerful deep and Important these works are

they take a

love getting his head chopped off

one of his work.

Of course, he was he was the victim in that case.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I.

I'm not thinking about the historical Aspects of that.

I'm thinking about I've read all of thinking about

boy.

I cannot wait because I know

I've read these other point I know he's

going to take me on a really song and

that that even if you were to

take all Of the quote

-unquote call

of that

out any problems.

Listen

to purify the

church their

understanding because of

that

even

some of

the

short

books

that

some of

the amen

and.

Men are men of their times and they have inherited things that

Surround them from in infancy.

People were far more readily executed for things like heresy and oh, yeah Bygone

era and even you know, not only do we have the reformers and their own problems we have Martin Luther a great hero

of the faith who had problems with Remarks and writings that could be

very easily deemed as anti -semitic and you have Even in

more reason much more recent history in the 19th century some of the great reformed heroes of the United

States were slaveholders And defended slavery and so, you know, you

have all kinds of things that you would have to weed through because all Christians are Sinners until we enter

glory.

So it's one of those things that you're not going to have perfect people presenting us with

These truths from the scriptures that they glean.

But thank you Ronald from Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.

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I am going to Email you I'm going to forward you the email

for a our next listener question because she actually asks three very good questions and

We're gonna go to a break and have you answer the questions when we come back this way you have time to mull over

what she has written and When we come back from the break you can answer them.

I'm just gonna start off by reading you on the air the first question.

This is Jenny and Ben Salem, Pennsylvania.

She says is it true that Christopher love?

Rejected the view of a new heaven and earth and favored in traditional puritan thought

that there was a three -tier System in which the Saints and the Holy Angels occupied the highest strata with

Christ.

Can you elaborate a little on this three -tiered? System and as I said, I'm gonna be emailing you

this question and the two other questions that that Jenny from Ben Salem, Pennsylvania has written and

we will Have you respond when we return from the break if anybody else would like to join us on the

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Who are waiting to have them asked and answered by you?

If you'd like to join them on the air with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arns, and if you just tuned in to iron sharpens iron radio today, our guest today is dr

Matthew McMahon of a Puritan's mind.

We're discussing heaven's glory by Christopher Love and yes I know Christopher Love was my

DJ name in the 70s, but that's not what we're talking about.

We're talking about a great Puritan of history who has left a legacy for us that we should not

ignore and.

If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

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And please give us your first name.

City and state and country of residence if you live outside of the good old USA.

As you know, dr McMahon the first of three questions that Jenny from Ben Salem, Pennsylvania

has written to us is Is it true that Christopher Love rejected the view of a new heaven and earth and favored

in?

Traditional Puritan thought that there was a three -tier system in which the Saints and the Holy Angels occupied the highest

strata with Christ.

Well, I've read all of Christopher Lowe's

I don't find any Three -tiered system in that particular manner.

All of the Puritans thought that when scripture I mean, this is just rightly utilizing scripture

to context that there are three uses of

the heaven

Float where the heaven and then

there's the

same.

So anything in love's works that caused him to have some kind of

odd idea.

What he does do.

And he takes a couple of his works to go militant.

The millennial view.

Like the pre -millennial view Christ's coming raining on the earth for a thousand years and that being some kind of temporary

Heavenly state or or something like that.

But in terms of the three -tiered system something of that nature, I don't find that

Orthodox and the idea of heaven.

Now I know that many of the Puritans were post -millennial.

Where did he fit in the eschatological scheme.

Tension.

And second coming from acting

about I mean

even above and and really

He says that Christ complete and total mess and misunderstanding.

A bit of time doing.

And in the beginning of our in the beginning of our program you already addressed a lot of what Jenny asked

about in her second Question, but do you have anything to add about how loves religious conviction played out against the political?

Upheavals in his

time to

come

out in

his pre -kid

ministry he was.

And her last

question

is why do

you think.

Christopher love has been forgotten by most Christians.

And what was it about Christopher love that drove you to write books about him?

And obviously you've also partially answered that last part of her question in the beginning of the

program.

But if you could comment any further.

Yeah, I

mean in

terms of

what

old

me and

write

about

him.

I mean, I

love John

Owen.

Yes.

Books are dense

with her.

Love does not

whether you're reading a work

on the level of

the people.

I'm glad he pointed that out.

Yeah, in fact, I had Michael Hagen on recently and he was talking about that.

It would not be uncommon to find a sentence 25 lines long

from the writings of John Owen.

But but thank you Jenny for your insightful questions.

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And I promised dr. McMahon that after the next couple of questions We will give you free reign to really get into

the content of the book.

But since there seems to be so much interest in among our listeners. I don't want to block them out and Might

might as well.

Let them have their questions as many of their questions asked and answered before we have you.

Delve into the book Brandon.

And in Fullerton, California Says it seems like many evangelical churches over the past 60

years have largely forgotten about the pure ends Puritans and Church in general and church history in

general.

Why do you feel that it that is.

And have you noticed a large?

Returning of Christians to the Puritans over the past handful of years.

We've already Answered in large part the first half of what he asks, but the second part is interesting.

Have you noticed a large returning of Christians to the Puritans over the past handful of years.

I.

Want to say yes and no in the sense that

1980 until Seemed to

be gaining a lot of speed and

some of the book publishers that were putting out a lot of pure

some Went into certain financial difficulties and such

and so less and less and less Started being published or republished with the

myriad and so I think in

terms of the way

when I can buy

an e -book

change in

Internet and what's going on with ebooks and what's going on with what you can get online in touch.

I think that surgeon is starting to raise the bar for Gaining that

momentum back.

But I think it was it was going well.

It got lost a little bit and then the whole idea of the electronic can have my

entire library Practically on my phone, which is an amazing

thing.

And I don't think we've ever been anywhere and they hit

anything even remotely like that I mean you at your fingertips.

You can have all of the works of and

it's just an amazing thing to be able to do research that way so I think now

I think we're getting some speed back up again, and I think the availability

of Those works is making that more and more accessible to people and people are

excited who

a year ago if Which I remember the conversation and he'll remember that I had this conversation

with him.

He's like, I'm there's no possible way that you'll ever get me to read an e -book.

I want a book in my hand.

I want to take my Highlighter and highlight it right in that book and now and this is only in the last

couple of weeks.

He's like, you know, I can have all these books on my phone.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's like 180 degrees in the opposite he's like he's ready to get his library and

and move that over and just get his iPad or his Android or his computer or his tablet and

put his books on that and have Them wherever he's at love that idea.

I think it's a good Compromise to have a little bit of both

the eight nine thousand books.

Myself that was my library and a thousand and kept only

the things that are most important to me.

Other things that you know, you can get easily or retrieve easily.

Those I from the internet you can read Calvin's Institute.

You can read Calvin's commentaries all of them.

They're all on the internet, you know so the internet has really exploded the ability of having things right at your finger

because a lot of them don't like having to wade through the difficulty of.

And sometimes in a scanned well.

Sometimes they're difficult to read sometimes whole pages are blotted out or pages are missing or things of that nature.

Some of the ebooks and print books that we're doing but I think that electronic revolution has really

changed things for people.

The

thousand books that I have I have a

Head of the skin

lays on the

desk at the pages and put

it into my computer

your phone.

I think that's really thing is with that.

There's also the danger of Not.

There's some hand and you're working through

that and do that with ebooks.

But people want to slow down and not

just have their mind so that well

Brandon in Fullerton, California.

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I'm gonna ask one more question for now, which will enable you to dovetail into the

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And then if we have time later, we'll take some of the other listener questions we have.

John in West Peoria, Illinois, who's with Samaritan Ministries International?

John asks does Christopher loves treatise on heaven distinguish itself from other Puritan works

on heaven in any notable ways.

Oh.

On that

and when you deal with that doctrine heaven

as heaven you're often going to be

like and What

would be

like he begins and how

he dives into in

Christ now, we also

in glory and so

in this wonderful work taking the con

and and For and

that we

then will be in glory with him one day if we explain

What is meant when Christ is said to be our life?

He explained that Christ who is our life.

What is meant that with him in glory?

So those are his three main ideas and explaining to you Heaven's glory

because once you get into the immediate context Surrounding Colossians 1

to 4 having your mind

then you were

raised

with

many treatises, but he is particularly taking the idea that Christ is our life and

Applying that to the idea of

Goliath's what really

several many of which

are out there.

Well, John and PR.

West Peoria, Illinois.

We thank you for your question and you have also won a copy of heaven's glory by Christopher love with

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station break.

This is our elongated station break because we have to give Grace life radio 90

.1 FM in Lake City, Florida our program in 254 minute segments.

So we have an elongated break in the middle.

So be patient with us, but we will be back as soon as possible and when we return we

will have our Guest dr. C. Matthew McMahon actually begin to explore in

more depth specifically the contents of Heaven's glory by Christopher love and if we have

time later We'll take more listener questions.

If you have any questions, our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com and those of you who are or wait already waiting for your questions to be asked and answered We will

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book Heaven's Glory by Christopher Love and dr. McMahon.

It seems that you have compiled a summary of ten sermons By Christopher

Love that delve into the subject of heaven's glory.

Is that correct?

That is correct.

The immediate con and love talks a little bit

about them.

If then you if then you are raised things which are

above what Christ is and of things above.

Not on things on the earth.

But you die and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

It appears then you also in glory.

Interestingly, you know Christian.

Think about really when we say that we want to it's

possessed.

By Christian.

Contagious biting possess.

What is heaven not?

May be a good starting point.

Because love is going to dispel.

Christians might think or just what people in general might think that heaven is about.

For example, you know today

people think for getting into heaven is simply to die

and that is not true.

That heaven is some kind of fantasy realm.

Where material ideas are manifested in the best possible way.

So if you're a golfer, you're gonna go to golfer's heaven.

That's where you're gonna go.

It's where the best golfing will ever take place.

It'll be the nicest day for eternity and you'll have the green.

Whatever.

Man's delight is here.

Is watching golf on.

Is watching golf on TV purgatory?

I Modern man rejects

heaven even if it's given in some worldly manner like that is because he's prone to the

idea that Heaven is where people with heart floating

clouds and just strum their hearts all day.

You know and you can you hear the ludicrous ideas of people saying, you know

Are then float around

so even in terms of what their small

mention of some kind of Religiosity is so important to them even that fictional

idea.

That's

why love deals with the first that he does is that Christ

in us?

Now if heaven in that particular manner, is it in us now then we're not going to be in heaven.

We need to have that now.

There's another point that he alludes to throughout the first few sermons

and that is the inadequacy of Language not

the intention of the biblical writers to create some kind of mythology carried

along by the Holy Spirit down God's mind in what we call

Accommodated language to describe enough of heaven so that the church may understand

that it is.

And that they will see God fully and

in thinking about certain amount of skill that

needed to deal with predated language.

God dumbed down a little

for men to grab might be

in and the

shepherds say the pilgrims the gates of the Celestial

City if you know you you

have Christians that think for some reason that when they go to heaven They're going to

live this New Jerusalem is 1 ,500 miles wide and 1 ,500

miles long and oh, yeah, by the way, it's 1 ,500 miles across and They live inside of

this Star -trekkie in kind of org cube.

That's not what is going on.

The language dating language.

It says at

this down in many places concerning heaven

accommodated that language to us now.

The interesting part about how love deals with that is that he deals with it out of Kalah

because he's trying to Guide the Christian who's thinking about heaven

even when you deal with the texture

mind on things above.

Not on the things on

the earth is and

then there's

like

right hand of

God heavenly Intercession for them because he

are going to come

as the indwelling life of

her right now when he

He's Accomplished those things that we have to Christ.

He doesn't advise or command the

setting of the mind

the flesh what God has

intended and they do that

Discussed in the previous

chapter

that's given holy over to Jesus Christ.

You could say can be given to Christ without

reservation in any way.

How does that have anything to do what love is showing you?

Seeking and setting the mind on Jesus Christ who is our life he

Happened now happened then.

Yes He's

sure what it may be like but his focus

is that is what makes?

Heaven.

Heavenly thinking about that is

the often that he's

going to cover in the first two sermons.

He's the Christians life is

the sense we turn a life

the life of glory

in the end of himself will share his

character in terms of Hebrew idea behind glory

means weightiness or the

God will but

God will never share and of himself His

presence and he

gives him a fine

part of God in that instance because Moses is up on the mountain See

in that way, he's up and

he wants to see the glory of God Expounded.

Well, God says you don't get to see that I'll give you a little bit of a glimpse of my back

parts the Hebrew says.

But he doesn't get to see God in that particular way the only way that haven't become heaven

is that Christ is our life and that Inc

that we see the fullness of God

the

next we deal with Jesus

Christ who is the Christians life shall one day have

returned

From heaven as the son of man who had come

down from heaven and done what he needed to do as the suffering servant then

died and

he ascended into heaven and goes into the

Bring his people to heaven at the consummation 111 says as

you see him ascended to heaven from thence also shall you see him he said the Christ is going to come back.

And he's going to come back.

This is interesting.

He's going to come back Unexpectedly, he's the thief who comes like

Jesus's words about his return.

But yet at the same time he tells us that that's how he's going to come so there's a

grace in being prepared and understanding that the Lord Jesus will return

at any time and When he appears he's going to come to judge the world.

And in that judgment, he is going to judge everything all the all judgment has been

given to God the Son for God the Father judgeth no man that day

but hath given over all 29 and

So appear see

that's why like right here We need to pause and we need to

jump over to Michael Harrison's book on Imputation which will I will be able to talk about

that because there's safety and appearing Judgment seat of Jesus

Christ imputed righteousness and we need that

that's the only safety They all be safe thing.

You're going to

be able to

love takes a

great amount of time this home the idea that Jesus Christ

Who is the Christians life shall one day appear in glory to judge the world that should

move a number of

Considerations in terms of whether or not we are

Actually in the faith even at that particular time the Lord Jesus says

many will say to me on that day Lord Lord, did we not do all of these things and did we

not preach in your name?

Did we not do many miracles?

I mean all the big stuff and Jesus does not depart from me.

He worked as of iniquity or those who work lawlessness those who take the law and throw that law

away and judge

and yet Great amount of

holeen from judgment the Son of Man comes to judge.

Yet

all of

the

done to you the flesh and the devil and all

day of judgment Be

vindicated

in new road.

I was actually just going to see if before the break I could read you a short question from another listener.

Sure.

Okay.

We have Arnie and Perry County, Pennsylvania.

Who asked.

I know that Christopher loves sermons on?

Heaven are largely based on the Apostle Paul's writing to the church and Colossae as you've mentioned.

Can you tell us something about? the church and Colossae and about Colossae in general

in regard to the mix of Jewish and Gentile individuals knowing that Paul

Was the Apostle to the Gentiles.

The reason why I asked this is I was wondering how much?

Revelation were the Jews hearing for the first time that was absent from the Old

Testament or Hebrew scriptures in regard to heaven.

And maybe we could have you answer that when we come back.

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We had Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania ask about.

As far as Paul's writings the Apostle Paul.

How much of what he was revealing about heaven was absent from the Hebrew Scriptures.

How much of it was new revelation?

Of course the.

Both the Jews and the Gentiles of his day had the Septuagint the Old Testament in the Greek

language.

What was not in there that was brand new revelation unheard of before.

And the the Old Covenant.

The answer to that question.

Here's why the idea is that When Paul opened his Bible

to explain something that

he's writing or explaining He's opening his Bible.

It's the same Bible that Jesus care to speak.

It was the Old Testament Scriptures in that particular way.

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Nicodemus doesn't understand so forth and so on but Jesus says to him in verse 10 of John 3

He says you're Israel's teacher and you don't understand these things these things.

Being born again our Old Testament idea.

These are circumcision of the heart ideas.

You're Israel's teacher.

You're supposed to be teaching the basics of theology to the people of God.

So when Paul gets around to talking about heaven what he does when you're looking at Specifically

and thinking about Christ who is our life.

It's really an exposition of Understanding what the Son of

Man does He for the Jews and this is where you can think Jews Gentiles and consider a little

bit of that.

The Son of Man is only mentioned in Daniel.

Ezekiel is only in Daniel

that like The Son of Man the only Hebrew construction

in all of Scripture and it's Jesus's favorite designation of himself now the Jews all knew who this was

and they knew the difference between how Ezekiel as the Son of Man associated with Adam in the

fall.

Which is the idea in his book with who this divine?

Son of Man coming down from heaven who rides on the glory class

that that particular figure was going to come down from heaven and they

Roam literally missed

what?

Christ what he does is he says listen the

anointed comes down from heaven who shall appear in glory.

Who is in heaven right now?

Glorious.

Interceding on behalf of the people.

He is your life and So his concepts a son

of man in all of his glory.

It's what Moses Every single time somebody runs in

any of them

incarnate.

He's

the work.

He's the one with the message.

He's the one that comes down and gives that message every single one of them.

Same exact

Manila when he hears the angel say his why do you ask my name for it is wonderful.

He goes back into his wife and he says we're gonna die

mighty God everlasting father prince of peace.

This is Christ in Christ's manifestation

says

this son of man this Christ.

This anointed one who rides the glory who died was

raised Life so the conception if

born again, they have

that.

Then the New

Testament

have never happened in

and interpret the things that God has fed which is why you'll hear a lot

of people say the New Testament are

the answer or

the answer

and when consummation of the ages and he takes his

people to heaven he's going to change them and He's going to make them

Place the kingdom of God relation you

show Jesus that and it's called the kingdom of God by way of its

eminence being far above the kingdoms of the world of

Christ's kingdom, there is no end and So be

made good

comes to

heaven of

heaven the

elect

Paradise that Christ speaks to the thief on the cross this day.

You shall be with me in paradise.

Having a relation to the place of glory where the elect are.

It's also causes interpretation of trying to

get people to understand what the Old Testament teaches.

It's called Abraham's bosom is not

this place where the dead go to await Jesus's, you know.

You know raised from the dead.

He goes and preaches to people and there's all of that stuff is silly Mythological fable kind of stuff that's been

invented by people who really just don't understand the continuity of what's going on in scripture.

Abraham's bosom is called that because it's the place of love and

friend of your dearest friend and

love and shelter his elect and in his

bosom a lot of people

at that time

didn't have a mansion and the

mansions of God and my father's house are many mansions in the father's house and There are

many mansions for you that is a dwelling

place in the

heaven.

When this earthly tabernacle is dissolved, we have a building made by God a house

Eternal in the heaven habitation

in up might be a

little bit glorious.

They're all going to be laid in the dust and They shall receive you that is

It may be as love into that

door such an entrance shall be ministered to

you Abundantly and with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ that verse

should echo in the mind of the Christians.

It's called a city to come to.

We look for a city to come whose builder and maker is God.

It's called a rich and glorious Inheritance portions one

meet to be partakers

of the inheritance.

So all of these ideas

demonstrate final and

abundant

idea.

Behind what makes heaven heaven is that God is there.

That's what makes heaven heaven.

Which is why love spend those first couple of sermons saying listen.

If you as a Christian are not seeking those things above where Christ is seated at the right hand of God now.

You're not going to like heaven because heaven is all about that.

It's all about so that is what makes heaven

with

the enjoyment of Christ.

We call that in theology the beatific vision the most

beautiful Vision that we can if you just take

Paul you and you say where Christ is seated at the right hand of God and you

say Well, what is it that he wants us to set our mind on?

Well, there's a city and there's dwelling places.

Maybe you want us to set our mind there.

No, that's not it.

Well, there are angels there in heaven.

Maybe he wants us to set our mind on the angels in heaven.

No, that's not it either.

Well, the Saints are in heaven but that's not the idea the right hand of

God the center point of heaven is the Lord Jesus Christ and

the beatific vision of the Almighty Anointed Christ

the Ancient of Days

is what makes heaven heavenly and We we think about that and we

say, you know,

it's what makes us

the in a part of the unapproachable light that God is

Revealed in the person of Jesus Christ in the full

and we look upon him in this Vision

in heaven and seeing him face to face and and we will be

completely and totally in every way.

When Peter James and John were up on the mount and Christ was Transfigured

before him as the centerpiece the law and the prophet who appeared within

Elijah and Moses.

The text says that Peter spoke in a manner in which he didn't even know what he was saying.

That he said it's good to be here.

Shall we set up some shall we set up the tabernacle and Make this stay a

little bit longer with

the

trailer

converted.

Beautific vision.

That's what Moses was after.

That's what all of those things were after in the Old Testament.

They wanted to see God Purity and the holiness

and the light of the Almighty.

Jesus says in the Sermon on the Mountain Matthew 18 blessed of the pure in heart for they shall see God.

When he shall appear we shall see him as he is first.

John 3 2.

Here we see only what God is not

going to see him as he is.

Job said that I know that my Redeemer liveth and that he shall stand

upon the earth blessed day and with These eyes I shall see God.

So Paul doesn't

Exegete so that we have the end

to make it

of the soul and glory.

There are two things that love says are implied in that idea implies

that you have a real enjoyment of the favor and love of God

and that in and of itself

should cause us to Just hide the

offer, you know, the Lord would not show his face to him that does evil.

But he will show his face the love and the favor of God to those that love him

and God will be very angry and wrathful.

With those who do evil seeing the God

this vision of God in this way played the enjoyment of

Meditation then sweet if we continue to think about the beautiful

vision that one day we will have to learn more about him now.

When we get there, we won't need the Bible

anymore.

We will be seeing him as he is face to face the other thing that love

says by a Perfect knowledge of God in

his nature and that is the chief importance of this idea of seeing God.

Not as if we should see his defined essence with bodily eyes because God's invisible and in

heaven He is still immortal Invisible God only wise but we see it is divine

essence in the face of Jesus Christ.

We'll see more of God.

Their ideas is that heaven is the

place where God Manifests himself most

odd with a more perfect knowledge.

Then we see right now.

We only see him

get to see it by it's an amazing idea

that that will have real enjoyment in the perfection and fruition of

our seeing in Jesus Christ

something that both Christopher I

in I believe it's sermon 7 and Jonathan Edwards also talks about.

Heaven will be enjoyed as heaven by everyone and You will

enjoy God insofar as your nature

and Love talks about what that means.

I'm going to use

Edward says that

listen take any one of those

to see to the brim.

All of them will become

happiness in that way.

And so we are going to enjoy God immediately.

God face to faceacity

that we have for in degrees

that we do now and so

With many interruptions and many

difficulties no interruption in

hell and Jesus says about

the Pharisees He says you will receive

greater Condemnation for

prostitutes before the face of God in the same way Paul talks about having a

reward in heaven different people will be rewarded in different ways have it will be

heaven for everyone and everyone will be able to see the fullness of the Lord in

Jesus Christ, but at the same time He uses

this we can gather up as much as we possibly can now.

So that we can be as fit as we can be in our sanctification

things that I've been Contemplating

is okay five years I

am going

to make you

Gentiles and I will send you to the Gentiles and protect you from the Jews and you will proclaim the

forgiveness of sins and You will proclaim if we

sit under a preacher of as many times as we can

in the course of our lifetime.

And I worked this out on the calculator in such if we were to attend every single sermon every

single Lord's Day.

With every minister top -notch one in a thousand

kind of 3 ,750 sermons in the

course of our life and You think to yourself?

Well, you know.

That's sort of a lot.

But those are the things that God uses as a means of grace to prepare us for heaven and

that's it under that preaching

sanctified the regenerating power

every Lord's Day and then we're reading our scriptures daily and we tend to think of like how many times

are you gonna read the scriptures?

In the course of your life.

So let's say you pick one of these Bible reading

75 times you're gonna have some 750 sermons.

Maybe you'll fit under some Sunday school classroom.

Maybe you'll have some con

puritans.

That will be great.

All of that we're thinking.

This is the time when we are to seek and set our minds on the things above where

Christ is seated at the right hand of God because if the

Son of Man returns He brings us to heaven and we forever then

the seeing God

face -to -face in the

Lord Jesus Christ he in the

grace and Knowledge of herbal and

were to do that constantly and so in

heaven our knowledge will be perfected here.

We know in part we're gonna know God

as he is and we're

gonna see or not able to behold just in the right way

because of our flesh because of our sin because of our fallenness and Yet God

is preparing us for that place

and we

will then see the beauty of the Savior.

Face -to -face forever.

Now, let me say cite you to death.

I Don't know what in and

of itself the heart of what love is trying you

wanna keep we

need on the

mountain with the

shepherds and see if they can see the gates of the

celestial city if They have the ability to do so that that is what we're working on

here and the Lord Lord come back today.

Lord come back tomorrow.

Look come back and 50 years 100 years.

We don't know we're to be prepared in

the kingdom of heaven but for

our mind and this is Another one of the ideas that love presses us in our mind.

This should be our all Christ He's our

everything he should be our observation.

Contemplation on the wonders and excellencies of who Christ is and

one day.

Amen.

Well, we're gonna have to conclude it right there a perfect place to conclude it.

And Joe in Slovenia, we didn't have time to ask your question, but I did forward your question to

dr McMahon and perhaps he can answer you via email after the program and

I want to make sure that you have dr. McMahon's websites.

We have a Puritan's mind .com as one of them a

Puritan's mind .com and then of course we have Puritan

publications .com Puritan publications .com and dr. McMahon if you could hold on.

I would like to schedule you for another interview and I would like to thank everybody who took the time to write in

with your questions.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a

far greater Savior Than you are a sinner.

I look forward to hearing from you and your questions for our guests tomorrow on iron sharpens iron

radio.

God bless.