June 14, 2017 Show with C. Matthew McMahon on “‘Heaven’s Glory’ by Christopher Love”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth listening via live streaming on iron sharpens iron Radio .com this is Chris Arns and your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you a happy Wednesday on this 14th day of June 2017 and I just came back from a delightful lunch With a member of Grace Baptist Church in Carlisle, Pennsylvania where I am a member brother who is an usher they're very soft-spoken quiet individual who I just recently found out is one of the greatest minds in the United States involving the Soviet Union and Russia he is a thoroughly knowledgeable expert on the theme of Russian military history and Slavic military history is the author of numerous books.

I knew nothing about this Until very recently and I intend to have him on Iron trip and Zion radio in August to discuss his insights As to what's going on in our government today in regard to Russia. I also to give us a background of Russia today in contrast to the years of the Soviet Union and we'll learn what if anything we should be fearful of what fears we have that are exaggerated and So on so I hope to have a delightful and thoroughly educational and edifying discussion with brother David Glantz in the near future in August as Our schedule permits but today I am so delighted to have returning to iron sharpens iron radio one of my favorite guests Dr. C. Matthew McMahon founder of a Puritan's mind.

Today we are going to be addressing one of the books that he has brought back into print through Puritan publications Heaven's glory by Christopher love and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Dr. C Matthew McMahon Brother glad to be here and happy to talk about amen. Amen. I could use some comforting subjects in the midst of a lot of What's the word I'm looking for there's a lot of turmoil going on in the Christian apologetic world involving people that I know and love and respect and it's sometimes can be quite disturbing to see Bitterness well up amongst the brethren and strife and so on but so this will be a good Temporary vacation from all that and For our listeners who are discovering you for the first time tell us about a Puritan's mind.

More people need to read these jewels collecting dust and just a few scholars here and there reading them typical information, so I started taking little excerpts here and there and began postings mind various pieces out of Ames's marrow of theology and various pieces out of Turreton's Institute.

For love he's about as fast you can get for the short time that he lived in turn. They they began to be a blessing to others because at that time there was over the years. Turned into dozens and dozens and dozens of various Puritan and books and such.

2005 I started a Puritan publication and I was putting out most extra year preached from the pulpit and We need to be reading some more of this and so I decided well Not only am I going to start publishing a few updated language that they're easy to understand no doubt Thomas Manson Thomas Goodwin all sorts of big set you could you could sit and read them for days on end.

Sometimes though people have a difficult time kind of a wading through some of the old English. And so I thought you know these are not only are these really helpful I need to enjoy after about a year of starting.

Let's do them an updated like that is a people who would regularly not go I think that reformed writing from that era and from the air even in you know grabbing something like Kaplan's Institutes off the shelf and People have to wade through as much as we were in there sometimes a little longer.

But we want to make it easier to understand and more accessible that way and so Appearance of mine has grown and then some of the more niche important than putting out in Puritan publication. Generally come from the era published about 6062 of the assembly members themselves things that you know have never been published before.

Thomas Valentine a little while ago calling them up putting them in a volume. I think one of the to come is by Michael Harrison. There's nothing else available from him anywhere on the planet. Cliff note.

You read that we tend to live in a sea Involuted finding things that are going to be light and those who are able to people you're in them today. Amen.

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Residence if you live outside of the USA. And some of my listeners may recall the name Christopher Love because they may have heard me from time to time. Explain the origin of the order or reveal the origin of the quote that I conclude every single iron sharpens iron radio broadcast with and that is Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner, which is a paraphrase of a quote from Christopher Love.

Tell us about this great Puritan. Something about his own personal background and why we should value what he wrote so long ago today.

Christopher Love’s Life, Ministry, and Martyrdom

Well, but by a fellow Puritan Oliver Cromwell, I like the idea. I'm in the dungeon. He was creature and theologian in the sense that he was not super. He was arrested thrown in dungeon thrown in the dungeon in May.

I believe he was. No, he was beheaded. He wound up having from May to August writing letters writing some different treatises and such in the account moving Because of what he does and writing letters to his wife speaking with his wife and such While living the lifetime and these were people Jeremiah Whitaker William Taylor Alan gear.

They published a number of grace calling an election Christians duty and safety and evil time between the flesh and the spirit By Jonathan Edwards. Side the Bible on that project because these being the important just could not not put them into print.

You've got to get them so that people can read some of these wonderful work.

Do you know if anybody has published any of the letters? And perhaps compiled together in the single volume that he wrote to his wife while in prison.

Yes, that is in our book the vindication of Christopher Love. We've done that. All of his letters are in there. Like I said, it's extremely moving. His letters are deep. He written to his wife Instructive his vindication that was one of the things that was actually published when he was alive.

Before he was beheaded because he wanted to let people know, you know. Just like with a lot of the political stuff that's going on today. Just because the media might say something doesn't necessarily.

Rumors were flying around about him and all of these different ways making him out to be a bad enough to be thrown in the dungeon and be beheaded. He had a vindication about and by the way if our listeners want to investigate a.

Puritan's mind after the program if you want to find out more about what they offer and of course Puritan publications go to a Puritan's mind comm. That's a Puritan's mind comm obviously no apostrophe in that and You can find out much more about this wonderful ministry.

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Before I go into or have you go into the main contents of the book about heaven. We've already got Several listeners that have written in within the last five minutes or so. And I think their questions will help set the stage for you know giving our listeners a little bit more of the background of love so they know the source of what you're talking about.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York. Who says how can we? separate the brilliance and the Valuable truths that the Puritans have left to us as their legacy from some of the horrible and perhaps even horrific things that they were involved in including the aforementioned execution of love by a fellow Puritan.

How can we convey to our Friends and family and loved ones and brothers in Christ who have so far not delved into the Puritans That these are worthy sources of great truth in spite of anything negative That has tarnished their reputation in history.

The Value of the Puritans Despite Their Historical Sins

You get a dichotomy there that you have to deal with and that one.

Viewed from the viewed by the world we've used companies would make Commercial Puritans have no fun, you know driving our car. Because it's fun and they weren't why would they is an equal ultimacy so to speak between those two positions well when you think about what it is that they've done in terms of taking scripture and making scripture Plainly understood in terms of the ministers preaching sermons that they gave.

I mean, this is some of the best literature that you'll ever read in the history of the church and so. Certainly on the worldly side the devil wants to screw and as hard as it mean that the Puritans were perfect or that You know certain things that are said about them didn't occur like.

Yet there are there's more than simply the idea of in fellowship occurring in The time that Christopher love in particular live and what Oliver Cromwell did Basically England Ireland and Scotland so to speak with the army behead the king and become Lord protect.

You start getting into some of those historical aspects. You begin to see why certain things happened like that. Yes. Men are still men men still sin. Things are not going to be perfect until we get to heaven.

But in looking at some of the difficulties that surrounded historically the Puritans you don't necessarily need to Divulge every single jot and tittle of everything that happened to all of the Puritans.

Historically before you read a work and if you're sharing some of the information. And read through heaven and go through that and have some of those things set in their mind and in their heart they're gonna have Colossians that in their mind when Christ then We also appear with him in glory.

You're gonna have that implanted in. Embedded in the way that they work. So, oh, well, we're prepared to explain what can deal with that when Christians begin to get the flavor of how powerful deep and Important these works are they take a love getting his head chopped off one of his work.

Of course, he was he was the victim in that case. Yeah, I mean, you know, I.

I'm not thinking about the historical Aspects of that. I'm thinking about I've read all of thinking about boy. I cannot wait because I know I've read these other point I know he's going to take me on a really song and that that even if you were to take all Of the quote-unquote call of that out any problems.

Listen to purify the church their understanding because of that even some of the short books that some of the amen and.

Men are men of their times and they have inherited things that Surround them from in infancy. People were far more readily executed for things like heresy and oh, yeah Bygone era and even you know, not only do we have the reformers and their own problems we have Martin Luther a great hero of the faith who had problems with Remarks and writings that could be very easily deemed as anti-semitic and you have Even in more reason much more recent history in the 19th century some of the great reformed heroes of the United States were slaveholders And defended slavery and so, you know, you have all kinds of things that you would have to weed through because all Christians are Sinners until we enter glory.

So it's one of those things that you're not going to have perfect people presenting us with These truths from the scriptures that they glean. But thank you Ronald from Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.

And you have won a free copy of heaven's glory by Christopher love with chapters by our guest Dr. C. Matthew McMahon, please make sure you give us your Your mailing address so we can have that shipped out to you by our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CV for Cumberland Valley BBS for Bible book service comm CV BBS comm they will be mailing you out Your free copy and we thank Todd and Patty Jennings who own CV BBS comm for their faithful support of iron sharpens iron radio.

I am going to Email you I'm going to forward you the email for a our next listener question because she actually asks three very good questions and We're gonna go to a break and have you answer the questions when we come back this way you have time to mull over what she has written and When we come back from the break you can answer them.

I'm just gonna start off by reading you on the air the first question. This is Jenny and Ben Salem, Pennsylvania. She says is it true that Christopher love? Rejected the view of a new heaven and earth and favored in traditional puritan thought that there was a three-tier System in which the Saints and the Holy Angels occupied the highest strata with Christ.

Can you elaborate a little on this three-tiered? System and as I said, I'm gonna be emailing you this question and the two other questions that that Jenny from Ben Salem, Pennsylvania has written and we will Have you respond when we return from the break if anybody else would like to join us on the air and we still have a Couple of other listeners with their questions.

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This is Chris Arns, and if you just tuned in to iron sharpens iron radio today, our guest today is dr Matthew McMahon of a Puritan's mind. We're discussing heaven's glory by Christopher Love and yes I know Christopher Love was my DJ name in the 70s, but that's not what we're talking about.

We're talking about a great Puritan of history who has left a legacy for us that we should not ignore and. If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

And please give us your first name. City and state and country of residence if you live outside of the good old USA. As you know, dr McMahon the first of three questions that Jenny from Ben Salem, Pennsylvania has written to us is Is it true that Christopher Love rejected the view of a new heaven and earth and favored in?

Traditional Puritan thought that there was a three-tier system in which the Saints and the Holy Angels occupied the highest strata with Christ.

Heaven, the New Creation, and Christopher Love’s Eschatology

Well, I've read all of Christopher Lowe's I don't find any Three-tiered system in that particular manner. All of the Puritans thought that when scripture I mean, this is just rightly utilizing scripture to context that there are three uses of the heaven Float where the heaven and then there's the same.

So anything in love's works that caused him to have some kind of odd idea. What he does do. And he takes a couple of his works to go militant. The millennial view. Like the pre-millennial view Christ's coming raining on the earth for a thousand years and that being some kind of temporary Heavenly state or or something like that.

But in terms of the three-tiered system something of that nature, I don't find that Orthodox and the idea of heaven.

Now I know that many of the Puritans were post-millennial. Where did he fit in the eschatological scheme.

Tension. And second coming from acting about I mean even above and and really He says that Christ complete and total mess and misunderstanding. A bit of time doing.

And in the beginning of our in the beginning of our program you already addressed a lot of what Jenny asked about in her second Question, but do you have anything to add about how loves religious conviction played out against the political?

Upheavals in his time to come out in his pre-kid ministry he was. And her last question is why do you think.

Christopher love has been forgotten by most Christians. And what was it about Christopher love that drove you to write books about him? And obviously you've also partially answered that last part of her question in the beginning of the program.

But if you could comment any further.

Why Christopher Love Is Worth Reading Today

Yeah, I mean in terms of what old me and write about him. I mean, I love John Owen. Yes. Books are dense with her. Love does not whether you're reading a work on the level of the people. I'm glad he pointed that out.

Yeah, in fact, I had Michael Hagen on recently and he was talking about that. It would not be uncommon to find a sentence 25 lines long from the writings of John Owen. But but thank you Jenny for your insightful questions.

And you have also won a free copy of heaven's glory by Christopher love with chapters by dr C Matthew McMahon. Compliments of Puritan publications and also compliments of Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service.

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But since there seems to be so much interest in among our listeners. I don't want to block them out and Might might as well. Let them have their questions as many of their questions asked and answered before we have you.

Delve into the book Brandon. And in Fullerton, California Says it seems like many evangelical churches over the past 60 years have largely forgotten about the pure ends Puritans and Church in general and church history in general.

Why do you feel that it that is. And have you noticed a large? Returning of Christians to the Puritans over the past handful of years. We've already Answered in large part the first half of what he asks, but the second part is interesting.

Have you noticed a large returning of Christians to the Puritans over the past handful of years. I.

Want to say yes and no in the sense that 1980 until Seemed to be gaining a lot of speed and some of the book publishers that were putting out a lot of pure some Went into certain financial difficulties and such and so less and less and less Started being published or republished with the myriad and so I think in terms of the way when I can buy an e-book change in Internet and what's going on with ebooks and what's going on with what you can get online in touch.

I think that surgeon is starting to raise the bar for Gaining that momentum back. But I think it was it was going well. It got lost a little bit and then the whole idea of the electronic can have my entire library Practically on my phone, which is an amazing thing.

And I don't think we've ever been anywhere and they hit anything even remotely like that I mean you at your fingertips. You can have all of the works of and it's just an amazing thing to be able to do research that way so I think now I think we're getting some speed back up again, and I think the availability of Those works is making that more and more accessible to people and people are excited who a year ago if Which I remember the conversation and he'll remember that I had this conversation with him.

He's like, I'm there's no possible way that you'll ever get me to read an e-book. I want a book in my hand. I want to take my Highlighter and highlight it right in that book and now and this is only in the last couple of weeks.

He's like, you know, I can have all these books on my phone. Yeah. Yeah, he's like 180 degrees in the opposite he's like he's ready to get his library and and move that over and just get his iPad or his Android or his computer or his tablet and put his books on that and have Them wherever he's at love that idea.

I think it's a good Compromise to have a little bit of both the eight nine thousand books. Myself that was my library and a thousand and kept only the things that are most important to me. Other things that you know, you can get easily or retrieve easily.

Those I from the internet you can read Calvin's Institute. You can read Calvin's commentaries all of them. They're all on the internet, you know so the internet has really exploded the ability of having things right at your finger because a lot of them don't like having to wade through the difficulty of.

And sometimes in a scanned well. Sometimes they're difficult to read sometimes whole pages are blotted out or pages are missing or things of that nature. Some of the ebooks and print books that we're doing but I think that electronic revolution has really changed things for people.

The thousand books that I have I have a Head of the skin lays on the desk at the pages and put it into my computer your phone. I think that's really thing is with that. There's also the danger of Not.

There's some hand and you're working through that and do that with ebooks. But people want to slow down and not just have their mind so that well Brandon in Fullerton, California.

Thank you so much for your question and please give us your full mailing address because you have just won a free copy of heaven's glory by Christopher love with chapters by dr. C Matthew McMahon compliments of Puritan public publishers publications, I'm sorry and Compliments of Cumberland Valley Bible book service cvbbs .com.

So give us your full mailing address and that should Get to you. God willing in a week or so Compliments of cvbbs .com who do not charge you or I or me I should say for the shipping cost. I'm gonna ask one more question for now, which will enable you to dovetail into the contents of the book.

And then if we have time later, we'll take some of the other listener questions we have. John in West Peoria, Illinois, who's with Samaritan Ministries International? John asks does Christopher loves treatise on heaven distinguish itself from other Puritan works on heaven in any notable ways.

Christ as the Center of Heaven’s Glory

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On that and when you deal with that doctrine heaven as heaven you're often going to be like and What would be like he begins and how he dives into in Christ now, we also in glory and so in this wonderful work taking the con and and For and that we then will be in glory with him one day if we explain What is meant when Christ is said to be our life?

He explained that Christ who is our life. What is meant that with him in glory? So those are his three main ideas and explaining to you Heaven's glory because once you get into the immediate context Surrounding Colossians 1 to 4 having your mind then you were raised with many treatises, but he is particularly taking the idea that Christ is our life and Applying that to the idea of Goliath's what really several many of which are out there.

Well, John and PR. West Peoria, Illinois. We thank you for your question and you have also won a copy of heaven's glory by Christopher love with chapters by dr. C Matthew McMahon and please give us your mailing address so we can have Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CV bbs .com ship that out to you and We are going to now delve into the book itself after our station break.

This is our elongated station break because we have to give Grace life radio 90 .1 FM in Lake City, Florida our program in 254 minute segments. So we have an elongated break in the middle. So be patient with us, but we will be back as soon as possible and when we return we will have our Guest dr. C. Matthew McMahon actually begin to explore in more depth specifically the contents of Heaven's glory by Christopher love and if we have time later We'll take more listener questions.

If you have any questions, our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com and those of you who are or wait already waiting for your questions to be asked and answered We will try to get to you towards the latter part of the program.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Don't go away. We'll be right back. God willing with dr C Matthew McMahon and more of our discussion on Christopher love.

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